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Occidental College
Political Science Forum
8. March 65
Q/A
Has everything grown 50 complex, or have people jut grown more complicated?
Perhaps it's we're in a position today as we werry about our great problems,
like the author who comes to a point in his story where he has a knotty plot
problem and he's stuck for a way to get around it, and finally it dawns on
him that he's based the entire story on a false premise. First let's try
to cut throught the semantics a little bit.
Every one today in America comes complete with hyphen. If you're a clergy
ma n why you're of a social gospel hyphen clergy, or you're the fundamentalist
hyphen clergy, or youtre the economist- traditional, and all of us of course
must be properly pigeon holed as conservative, liberal or moderate or ultra-
left or ultra-right, or some degree in between. Now I think those labels
demand some discussion.
The chairman of the Democratic party here in Southern California, though 1
must. say, he confused me a little bit. He was asked a question, how W ill
your party deal with the extremist groups. And he said that at this movement
" I know of no single group in the Democratic party that poses any particular
kind of problem from the point of view of extremism that I'm quite certain
that the right wing influence of the Republican party will be a major to most
Democratic candidates for office in 1966. But where he began to lose me was
when he then soid"the strength of the Democratic party is its diversity, and
the Republ cans will not become strong until they learn to accomodate diversity."
2.
I can just only repeat, we're trying.
But basically today's conservative is actually the radical of revolutionary
day. Those who advocate the liberal philosophy could best be described
as if they'd lived in that day, the Tories. Sefore you take exception
to that, let me point out that the revolutionists were conservative in the
Edmund-Burke concept of Conservativism. The recent philosophy directed
toward the control of forces of change in such a way as to conserve the
best elements of the past by blending them with the new elements in an
ever revolving society. But those revolutionists were just that. They
were revolutionists and they were radical in their determination to order
the age old status-quo - that's Latin for the mess we're in. But they
were devoted to the idea that rule should belong closer to the hand
of the people and should be taken From anyone, any single force or monarch
or elite, The tories on the other hand are content with the king and
upheld that the rule of many by the few was divinaly ordained. Now it's
true there were many variations and there wrre certain degreas of belief
among all of them, both sides. I'm sure that some of the radicals, the
revolutionists would have settled for just an increased voice, some OF
them by: the people's representatives in government and they would have
been content to go along with the king. The Tories ranged from a belief
in royal omnipotence to a willingness I'm sure on the part of some of them
to strive for a better treatment of the colonial subjects by the king. And
no better example OF these variacions exists than the conflice that LOOK
place at the Constitutional Convention between Jefferson and Hamilton over
the individual frieds: end and local rule as opposed to the idea of a strong
central government, and yet even as they even as they debated and argued
this, Hamilton said, "Give all the power to the many and they will oppress
the few, and give all the power to the few, and they will oppress the many."
And he said both therefore ought to have that power that each may defend
himself against the others. And he concluded saying, = Real liberty is
never found in the daspotism of the extremes of democracy."
Well now aren't we on safe ground to continue this point about defining
to say that the conservative today is characterized by advocating less
control of the people by government, less centralization actually of author-
ity. Likewise, the liberal today supports the idea that the problems can
only be solved by government, preferably the federal government. As a matter
of fact the only common denominator needed to win the support of the liberals
all too often is just the extent to which it will involve the government in
the solution of the peoples affairs. How, I think danger lies in the so-
called liberal willingness to sacrifice individual freedom because of a
feeling that the material needs of the people are more important and thus
the end justifies the means, and this particular phrase is probably the
greatest immorality of the enemy in the world today, and it certainly makes
a mockery of any attempt at law and order. The end can never justify the
means.
Now one comment more on extremism. If the liberal is characterized by the
belief in the federalization of much of our government processes, and I
believe that that's a fair assumption, then liberalism carried to extremism
would pass successively through: the planning and controls of the great society
to a modified Marxism as we find in the Scandinavian countries and
today in England, to the ultra-extramism the totalitarianism that we
find in the Soviet. This is the ulcimate in left-wingism. But doesn't
this also include, if we go that Fer, the totalitarianism O f Hitler, and
Mossalini so often used as terrific examples of the far right. Doesn't
the Klu-Klux Klansman and any of those others who would deny individual
freedoms on the basis of race or religion, or national origin, are they
not in reality advocates of government control? Do they not properly
belong over in that classification with those people who would carry extremism
to the point of excess control.
Now let's carry conservatism to the point of extremism. Since the
conservative believes in the individual freedom, and the limited power of
government carried to extremism this would go through more and more laissez-
faire, ultimately to no law and order and thus extremism on that side would
be amarchy. Now this hardly fits our very confortable cliches about the
right wing and theleft wing or even the middle of the road. Is there a left or
13 right? Well, it makes more sense to say no, there isn't. There's only
an up or down. Up to the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with
law and order or down to the ant heap of zotaliterianism, and no matter how
noble or humane the motives those who would trade freedom for some fancy
material security are emberked on that downward course. Now the founding
fathers kning this. These men were ordinary citizens, all of them. They
were students of history. They were not politician among athem. And they
created what is still today the nevest and the most unique idea and experiment
in the history of man's relation to men. New personally I subscribe to a
belief that there more than coincidance. That there was = divine scheme,
a divine plan that put this continent between the orders, to be discovered
by people who had scme extra spark of courage, and some extra love
of freedom, and then brought together a little band of founding fathers
so advanded beyond their years and their time that the world has never
seen their like before or since.
Thomas Jefferson, prior to writing the Declaration of Independence,
spoke some words that are now inscribed in the base of Jefferson Memorial.
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty." Can the liberties of a
nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties
are the gift of God? The declaration they signed was unequivocable
in its assertion that every man had inaliable rights to life, liberty and
the freedom of choice they decided conferred upon him at birth by the
creator, but whether you choose to go along with the divine concept or not,
it's is still the basis of this country and of that declaration that man's
rights were his by birth, and then they augmented this by drawing up
the U. S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Seventy years later,
England's Lord Acton, the same lord Acton that said that power corrupts,
and absolute power corrupts absolutely would say of their effort that they
had solved with astonishing and unexampled success two problems which here-
tofore baffled the capacity of the most enlightened nations. They had
contrived a system of federal government which prodigiously increased national
power and yet respected local liberties and authorities and they had founded
it on the principles of equality with out surrendering securities for
properties and freedom.
Well now his Lordship would find today no quarrel with his idea about
the prodigous increase in the national power, but I think held
have to fish practy far to find, and he'd be a little concerned ai
his inability to find what's happened to local liberty and authority
and the security for property and fesedom, because somewhere a perversion
has taken place. w rights are new downed to be a dispens tion of
government and they have been mode divisable by majority vote. Now majority
rule is a suitable mechanism for administering our affairs. But only if
it's controlled by a set of ground rules. to The high sounding phrases
"one man one vote" or the "greatest good for the greatest number", high
sounding though they are, they in reality mean 50% of the people plus one
can impose upon the rest of the people simply because they CL number them,
and this without the ground rules, is nothing more than mob rule,
Now this is the unique heritage that has core to each one of us, and
soonwill be coming to you. One's right to life, liberty the freedom
of worship, the freedom to meet, the freedom to stand and to speak as
I'm speaking are in short our unalienable God given rights, may not
be submitted to a vote. The very purpose of the Bill of Rights was
to forever put them beyond the reach of majority rule. New in other
countries, even in the Scviet Union, there are constitutions, and some-
times it would seem they are very similar to ours in the guarentees they
give to the people, and 50 you're inclined to say, well where in lies the
difference? Well the difference is so subtle that it almost escapes us,
but at the same time it's 50 great it tells the entire story. In all
tco many of those cases, their constitutions say that government grents
you this right, and our constitution says you are born with this right and
D. government to: A. right 20 take it From you. Lov, government can : :
no other scurce of power than the sovereign people. Ve therefore, can
7.
only give to the government the powers that we posess as individuals.
And there's a new philosophy abroad in the land, however. Man in
high place in government cuestion the ability of the people to control
their own destiny . They chafe under constitutional restraints and
they're impatient with the slow pere chec's been provided for altering
by amendment, so they embark on the dangercus folly of changing by
judicial interpritation. Lowell Mason, 1 former anti-trust law enforcement
officer has written in his book the language of desent. In this country
one sees a growing acceptance of the thesis that the violation of the
economic donands of the state are more dangerous to our material welfare
than criminal offenses and therefore can be punished without due process.
Today the search of homes, seeking a suspect for murder would still
require 2 search werrant, but this no longer troubles thefederal government
agencies with regard to the violation of certain government regulations.
The government agents can come in without such 0 warrant, and can make
a search, man impose a fine without a Formal hearing. They can imprison
farmers and sell farms at auction for violation of government regulations.
The federal government competes with privately owned business. It uses the
harassing power of internal revenue service, the anti-trust laws and
actually the withholding or granting of defense spending to punish
businessmen for raising prices to meet increased cost of production. Taxe-
tion itself is used not as an equitable means of raising revenue which the
constitution provides, but to control the economy, to be an actual factor
in the market play. Some in government e little bolder, have suggested
that the constitution is outmoded and unsultable for this modern age.
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But before we toos : aside too soon, lot's head the words of Nothaniel
Webster who said in "who shall reconstruct the fabric of demolished
government, who shill rear again the well proportionid columns of constit-
utional liberty, who shall from together the chillful architecture which
united national severelgaty with scates rights, individual security, and
public prosperity. once you and I could have counted on the not
inconsiderable power of states, of state governments to resist the erosion
of the constitution if only to protect their own state's sovereignty. As the
the philosophy I have mentioned has spread and as the states have sold their
birth right for a supposedly free faleval handout, we see an increasing!
tendency to lot the states become more edministrative didericts of the
federal govermment. When I use that term supposedly in regard to a free
federal handout, I want you to know that in getting my own degree in economics
I learned in college a didn't help me at all in English, but
it cure made canse sconomically. There ain't no such thing as free lunch.
How, It's true what I've said about this edministrative district 1dea in
California, Federal employees outnumber state employees in thirty of fifty
states including California. In the case of our state, that's not easy.
We 've been increasing state employees 2½ times 23 Inst as the increase in
population. The increased cost of government becouse a burden and a3 the
state beaurecracy grows and control of the government by the people becomes
less and 1003; empire building londs to autrovegant and unsteful incompatence.
Californian's pro rata share of state and local government today, each
individual share runs $100.00 higher than I be national everage. We've
just been pollented with = budget for billion You know I've
been acused 00 this 1: took a hundred yours :0 set to a
billion dollar budget in California and It jonly took U3 nine years to double
that to to 0, and no: in the last eight years, it has gone from two to the
four billion six now proposed. And I remember when, a for years ago, when
the budget bagon to 3H: above the three billion mark they adopted a custom
in Sacramento of descriptively moving the Sudget. Cae of then was"stringent,"
then as it went up the next year it 1/00 "stora." This was followed by "Erugal"
and last year MS3 "bare bones," and I have an undenSortable feeling we know
who's bones are bare. I thought they'd run out of menes that they couldn't
come up with another one, but this one now the been called "Leanin" Hard,"
and that's what they're doing - loanin' hard.
But you and I would have a right to expect as the budget get's to this
figure, the highest In the nation, that it would represent something of
complete honesty and impecible computing and certainly would be sheded
down to the exact alnimum that the people should have to put up in order to
get the service the the people 202 supposed to require. But this budget has
been characterized by incompatence and sloppiness and I believe that this
is typical, not of any purpose or anyone's bad motives. I think it is
something typical and inherent as government begins to 3407 bayond the
consent of the government. For anample there 13 in this budget a two
million dollar typographical errol. New I wouldn't mind 1f It was our
way, but: It's two million dollars soing up, and I have a strange feeling
that as bureaus and government agencies male their plans baced on this
budget, they'll find the use for that 2 million dollar typegraphical
It's there in block and white and they'11 use it. You 302, gov-
ernments don't tax to get the money they need. Governments always find a
need for the
Now the CHELGE di Planning 13 provided in =: prigot, Don this 13
a vary submit I'm opposed :0 an Wills THE 5 the 77
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10.
setrusted with the master plan for the good of California. with this rapid
growth of ours this 10 only OTTD upon which our plans for the future are
becod. Our development of schools, highways and plenning of all kinds -
they were supportd to 2003 up with Phase 1 of the muster plan in 1963
and phose 2 in cinty four and to complete the plun by this coming September.
We've spent four million dollare on that and they have not yet
shown up with phone 1, but this budget provides another five hundred
thousand dollars for then, maybe to 50 look for phase 1. But I can go
beyond that, I don't, I have been critical of the increased cost of
walfare that has more than Coubled in the last five years. Nov, let me
again make 020 thing plain. I divide walfare into two sayments. I have
no complaint indeed I have a great deal of pride and I!n ONES that
every Californian does in our ability to provide substatence, but Some of
the conSorts that make 1113 wouth living for those people who truly must
depend on thair follow citizens. But there 13 smother danger, another
hald of valiare in which 10% 2 kind of 3 deed and stueet. To are doing
the age old mistake of perpetuating poverty with a goal instend of using
that same manag to cure and end poverty and find ways through training
and education to make people self sustaining. And yes with all of the copt,
and I think it should be reduced, I think there's 3000 kind of on insult
added to injury when you discover in the swollen Sudget that Giore's two
aillion Collers 012 marked for cularios and two wolfare
programs that don't even smick. the Intre two modical valiare program and
the cluinistrative 0001 of those pregroup was two million dollirs. It's
bill1 alocased Sho the your 1933 and 67 and those two openation is a result
of mill-ance went out of existence as of Mirch.firct. To million dollars
too of 10
11,
Easa't the time come once again to look at that dream of the founding
fathers? This idea that government is a convenience of the people. I'm
sure that come of you have guassed by DOV that I'm a purist. I would sell
the post office, wipe out the public schools, blow up the freeways. There
have been moments when that last idea is not bad. And let me make it plain.
I'm a stadgy old fellow who believes that the government has a legitimate
place in our lives. The government cust provide a frace work for our dally
competition with each other to make sure that in our pursuit of happiness,
we don't, it doesn't result in misery for comeone else. It would be extramism
to deny, as I said before, our responsibility for the less fortunate. But
government must never become a substitute for the people. If the complexity
of our society is so enommous, where would ve find geniuses to serve US
at the government level, capable of making even the multitude of decisions
that are necessary to every day just in the market place alone. The truth
13 only the people have the capacity to manage their affairs and this
13 even more true as society grows more couplex and the puople grow note
numerous. Now there's no question but that the great society can accomplish
its goals, goals I might add which you and I can have no quarrel, but I
don't think you'll like the price that we'll pay in lost fraedom. And how
if it ion't government planning, and It isn't laiscer-faire of the share
voluntarism, what alternative is there? Well there is the implomentation
of self government. I think we have to leave the nineteenth century concept
and that's what it really 10, whether you call 1 t feudalion of Marxiso,
or Monarchy or anything else, 1: is 10th contury to believe that there
13 some elite even àn intellectual elite that can run the peoples affairs a nd
make the declaions for than. I'd 11ke to suggest ve POVO into the 20th
cartury and I this: Shat ::e C ? to this with what I've chosen to call the
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the creative society, mobilizing the full recources of the people. They
use their creative energies and abilities to solve the problems confronting
U3. This country fe boon fighting the most succersful was on poverty that
the world has ever 0307. Velve been doirs for 200 of the 6,000 years of
recorded history. I think THE have the energy and the ability on: the
part of our people to solve indood every problem that confronts us is being
solved secenhore. The cases are legion 1f you So cut and look for them and
find them. Now I don't mean again that you just turn people loose and say
find the problems and solve them. No, I invision government, a state
government 11 you will, mobilizing these energies of the people, turning
to the people in the various segments where the problems exist and saying
you, you with, and noming perhaps firling those people that you believe are
capable of organizing the rest and sky find and draft the best brains you
have.
Take in the area of our doalining business clinate. Turn to the industrial
comunity and pay "I went the best brains. Ivant you :2 tell 23 in government
why is the business climate deberiorating. What is 30ing on that is
causing the concellation of now plant lopenings in California causing plants
to leave California that is resulted in us having employment 40% higher than
in the rest of: the marion? Is there scheplace where government is restricting
deconding regressive tenation, decomding record
keeping. In there an ONCE where TO could perhaps stitulite prosperity with
incontive amossion, and then find out how government and the private sector
of the community working together can do what only the privite sector can do
and the is provide productive Jobs 1.4 put an and to the Accoing problem
of uncuployment that has been harging over U3 these many years. I thick in
the MAY, in the grant field of hundred misunderstanding, I think there's
a limit to 100 can SP with reles and regulations and new lawn. I
think the tito new bus 40.13 for people to face e ch other, to face not only
face to Inco, but heart to heart, to need and find out the depth of each
others problems, the lepth of our stand recording to Find not the one
because there's not and easy single ACTUAL to this problem, but all the
anowers that can eventually wear anay and make this problem disappear
from our midet. There ere simple CROS in the field of lov. I think from
years back selve boon piogued by the prosidention of this judicial process
in the political appointment of julges. There is a plan at work 1n the state
of Missouri, I would 11ke to suggest something sizilar to This In California.
You've turned to the men of the legal profession and say you, form a committee
of Invers from the ber desociation qualidied men and also a comittee of Laymen
and you than cone up with a panel of qualified legal nindo the your in your 17
best opinion believe qualified to be judges and the judges clast be appointed
by the Covernor for that panel and take the political perticonship out of the
appointment of judges 0722 and for all time. Daniel Websher sald'nothing
can save the country if the people leave the Face of the country in any hands
but their com, and nothing can harm the country 18 the people will retain
in their own hands the safety of the country." And this I do belleve very
deeplys as I Valleve thes our government, created by ordinary citizens is meant
to be FIT by ordinary citizens. I and not a policicion; and not being a policician,
I just believe that the cine has 0003 to bring the comen sands of rank and file
citizens thinking through the halls of a little fresh air from
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Q/A
Q. (Can you explain what happened last Sunday)
A. Yes, I'd be very happy is. It was last Saturday, last Saturday afternoon.
I got mad. I did not get mad at the questions. I did not get mad at the
fifty delegutes that were there, I V43 angry at my two follow condidates
and the insuers they had been giving to the questions during the afternoon.
Now, I've been going up sed down the state speaking to Republican groups
and pleading for unity. Some of you might have heard a slight rumor that
there are divisions and splits within the Republican Party. I found that
there is some substance to the rumor and I'm trying to pledge unity and the
idea that I will and I still mesa this- I on still pledged to this. I will
support whoever is the candidate because I believe very strougly in the need
for a regress of the imbalance in the 2 party system, but in the afternoon,
and it has not been quite accurately reported, what actually happened was
that a question was asked. I did not disrupt the meeting or leave before the
meeting was over. The question being asked Was the final question of the day
and it had been announced as such. The other two has already answered and
I was the last to answer and I completed the anower to the question and then
because I'm not a politician, and as I aay I'm still pledged to unity, and I
haven't answered back to snything, I just felt that maybe they've got some
special ground rules in politics, but I think there are some things that are
implied about you personally, if you're a man, you'll resent. And I informed'
then that I resented the Explication 1n their answer that each time had given
DO the failing that they were indicating that I belonged over in the side of
bigotry and recion. Now there was no direct charge and get me plain, this was
I felt an inforence. running =3 a threat, and I spoke certainly of 5y resentment,
and I laft the hill, but I stayed in 3 hospitality ruite they maintained to
antertain 0000 of the dolegatos that parts by, He talked for the remainder
of the period this I the suppound to be there and that was that.
Q. You would I USA the Creative Society approach to solving the Delano Grape
Strike?
A. Wall ORGO again, I think again you have to burn to the people who are
involved and I think I know a great Real theut the ferm situation. I am
a farther and I know something about 1: here in California. I wasn't affected
by the decision. I'm in cattle and horses. I know that there is a great
feeling on the purc of the form comittee, and this is the biggest single
industry in the state of California, One out of three jobs are in one
way or another related to agriculture and 70% of all the sooh transaccions in
the state are identified with agriculture. And the farmer has a feeling that
for sous the, there has been to autiones in Secremento, There 13 S will
that be chalt penstrate around the depitol, and be weats : voice there and
be wents a hearing for his problems, and here egain I think you should turn
not only to labor, bacause they're involved, but to the men associated with
farming and with the allied industries to forming for a solution to this problem.
Now the problem is very simple, -Four years ago Governor Brenza opened his
compaign for re-cloction plaizing to the California formers 4 gravantee of
an adequate labor force " including brocoures" and that WAS four years ago,
Now he expressed 2 discyreement before the predent concellation went into
effort and cald that be would have favored phose out to determine 1f there
WAS in aloginte libor force without brouseres, but this 13 that I
nt
in 7 rentrite about state givernment not opposing the foleral governme
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when it makes titall Income. There V30 DO protect in the part of this
state 1a the concellation when it book plice and the cabistrophe in the
familing C ) country NO only available 11 123 fill scale by aduseal weather. Now
we're the have of valuel weasher to California. The is the only place in
the world where you on fill Juliap under A vose bush in full bloom and freeze
to death, But this Submit we had 1 cool that stretched out the
harvesting secoon, and the crops didn't overlap in their ripening a3 they
usually Co, = a Modical was force 11 they instrumes could move Exon one
crop to the other. Bas eyes so, 1: wasn't big enough. There were
formers totally viped out. Riverside County has Issued its complete
figures for the county,And there were eight crops in Riverside County time
showed a not loss, while Riverside Country USS having the biggest grous
agricult 22 in its history. Now the Governor has boasted that 3.7 billion,
ONE agricultural gross WIS record bronking, Now 1: issue, but 10 was the
lovest not to the Scents since 1001. The cost of ford studis in the country
has gone up $331 per copita in the Inct several years and the farmer has only
received $3.00 of that $331. Nov I think there's something very wrong in
the farmer situation, and I don't think the anover 13 picket lines and I
don't think the answer is professional hierarchy of 1ther that 13 up there
regardless of the will of the people the are involveder the farmers or the
workers involved, secking to unionize and for ma the protect uniocization. I
un you to Date that I 01 3 buldever In collective Bargalning, I spent
more them treaty years on the board of the union AND TCS six times president,
and I was 1: charge for those twenty yours of with the
producers So: the basic contratts and I daily anyone to SAT that the actors
Malle writing conditions and unge minimums of any
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industry Dut this 13 a long way around. I try not to do that all the time.
Again, you must com to the people who know, and get their thinkin $ 02 the
answer. This deas not mean you are bound by it if they want the sky
or something you evalously cames 66 without unfairly imposing on other
segments 02 the is you don't to it, but you try to work out a sensible
solution. The only other thing I to by about that weather in the
harvesting - wisht 10 the and of the sidden the Covernor and the Secretary
of Labor might have bean caught. There was an unseasonable rain 03 the
posches ripaned and in 24 hours 002 third of the Californian crop was
totally deseroyed, and there's this fungus disease, 2 Sungus spore on the
peaches that 11 the weather, the rain hits 1t, moisture hits it at exactly
the right mement, they rot and there's nothing that can be done with them.
This disease is known in the trade oppropriately enough 23 ground round.
Q. Former Mayor George Christopher stated through elected be would probably
(?) That would you say consumning these two plans?
A, Oh, he'd got no disagreement with ne, in Enot I want to go a third step
farther. I think cint there 13 even move investigation neaded, and more
findings of the same nature. There is a great streetline this is due in
government, the things that I contioned in =y talk, to eliminate such things
as still budgeting for two Sureams that have disappoured. We, it was
anounded officially is Sicrenento that there is no vay to count the number
of buzenus , agencies and commissions in the executive brandh of the abote
government, but 1: counted 42 0 276 and 53 of those were created in just
the last En years, and obviously there is C013 streenlining that 13 needed,
and no disagrement Whitscover on that.
GO
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Could you comeac 01 Mayor Yorty's subcrastorial condiducy?
A. You know with 111 he's you to to subbling Viet Han, you wonder how
he's go: the You know I'll tallyou, t's jet : happy to 028 that other
people have got brownl 3 too, Missuy loves company and I think 12'11
just be 3 fine Vice :> observe. An a metions of feet 11 1: shows any signs
of cooling off I my checu 23 the = the fire cysolf.
do How could your Creative Sociaty volve the problems of the urban getto
caused by poverty? -
A. Of comes i know you are sulerring to the whole problem se had here
such 23 13 now throutening la Cakland, the problem we had here in our own
South-cantral area. First of all, you put yourfinger on 020 thing. I
thick a great desl of the problem is ocouonic, and I think we're going to
make the grastest invoids DE that problem 11 TO solve the conomic problems,
and being docut equality of opportunity just 17 fully and 23 much 03 we con,
equality of job opportunities. No, I'd We to point out have an example of
the creative society at work asi they didn't will for se. There 703 a man
in this town by the name of Child 11: Clellan who 1/23 incoired and right after
the Washs rlot, to mobilined the Los Angeles Chanber of Commerce. Nov this 13
a dirty 2000 In same circles, the Churber of Commerce sounds 11ke Dibbitt,
but these 200 mobilized to bazin with more then a hundred of the industries
1n the Les Angeles ared, and he by just the cheer personsive power of presenting
a case that THE invelutable : then sald "Look, it 13 04: problem." They cald
the providing of jobs 11 the pushica of private indiviry and ith private
industry's to for che people that 1: has more to offer than
government 07 the youl and he 300 those use to pludge, not only jobo, but
is
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ching.
Wills The on 10000 ave the country of my no in California du
to to good burder cll 23, Subjectly 1: not' white to ,) Inc't of
John, THE In nio :-: 3
in the country there are 3 million jobs looking for workers, but the people
are not trained as our technology has moved along they haven't caught up
with this need. But they moved into this area, opened an office, and they
mobilized a counittee di fine responsible Negro businessmen who are providing
the people and with all the talk that the government's been doing, these mea
almost immediately had it catalogued. There are about 25,000 unemployed in that
area. Roughly half of those are unemployable at the moment even with
on the job training for a variety of reasons - illiteracy, criminal records,
disability, whatever. This is a social problem. This is-all our problem
to be solved by the government and the people, again as I say, in a dozen
ways, from remodial education to starting down at the beginning and getting
a better start in school, all these things, but about half of then were
employable, most 1f given some on the job training and to date they have
put between two and three thousand men in such tobs, Volunturily. Ngw
when government heard of this and moved in out hore, the government came
at then in three directions. Three separate programs each one of than in
there as if it was sneaking in the back door to compate with the other two, and
find out how we could get in on the act. There is a necessary cooperation
and a cortain subsidy needed in on the Job training from many industries, and
they having started, having the jobs available and promised were able to
say to these three government agencies, "Look boys, you go out and find
a rooa and get married, and you come back to us when you're willing to
talk how you, the government, together can cooperate with us, but don't
come in here competing with each other and saying," 6n't pay any attention
to him, Listen to m." And government is doing this, and as I say two to
three thousand already have been provided and they are already enlatzing
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and expending and the idea of making this a permanent thing for the entire
magalopolis area here, moving into the East of Los Angeles where there
is an unemployment problem and solving it in that wiy. Now this is only
one phase, of the economic phose. Incidentally if you think two to three thousand
Jobs is not important, this 13 almost 00 many 23 there are poverty program
administrators running up and down the streets looking.
Now the churches here in Los Angeles at couple of weeks ago got together with
a program they'd been working with Negro Clergymen and Negro and White churches
got together and formed a family to family program, an exchange of visits
in each others homes to get personally acqueinted and find out the other fellow's
problems. Cause, you know, maybe this is oversimplification, but ohiboy, how
much trouble in the world would discppour 1f we would start talking to each
other and stop talking about each other.
I went down the other day and visited a presrue that TAB started by some
fine young Nazro men, one of them an official of court, called Operation
Bootstrap. NSW this was aimed at that other side. This was aimed at those
people who at the moment are not ready for this on the job training, and their
ideas are great and they have a well thought out program. T heir needs are great.
It's going to take Financing and it's going to a lot of help to get this goinz,
but they got an old abondoned gerage building that they've set up shop and
they're working in, and they're dealing just with an 3 block area, that they've
personally convalued and it's a very exciting thing to see and it's going to
be heart breaking if this falls by the way side just for a Inck of support
from people. It deserves the help of all of us to get it off the ground.
I
The
day I YOUR there there 100 11 young fellow who VISA working ou 11 automobile fender
repair that a nair by gavage had brought in. The follow who owned It couldn't
afford the regular garage rates and this can brought too, so that this fellow
21.
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loarning body and funder repair. He'll have 2 trade dut of this, These
chings should not to allowed to C.
Q. (?) What conclusions have you come to about this?
A. Wall, 47 research 11 about 13 a JOUNCE 23 I could come to,
First of 111, I 30% ten and : half paints où the budget itself, and that's
a paper book you could not said 00 Tist Nam, which velue going to drop it
on Hanoi. But then I got a book about this chick which is Mr. Alon Post,
the legicletive analyst. First caalysis of the budget which 23 you can
imagine Mil to be protty hasty in the Malted time he's had C033 to the
budget. But Alan Fost 10 Non-Purtisin and is employed by: the state legislator,
and he's our watch dog Hired by then and he interprete or I main he analyzes
the budget and his findings are printed and 1: 13 from this that the logislature
bases its decision with regard to approval or disapprovel of various efascets
of the budget, and he is the authority Boy the typographical ercor, for the
two million dollars that I've menclosed and the Pleaning Commission and I
was very kind tonight because I could have gone into great detail about
what he found out about the staff in the governor's office which has grown
quite fast too and I didn't even mention that. I figured this was non-par-
tisan, but that and of course there are other sources, but this is the principal
source of the figures that I've used here tonight.
Q. ?
A. Wall : know that they're wind, 00 government 11; incrudingly used,
the federal government, they's using to power of productiont of withholding
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federal funds because of this. I think this is an issue you've just got to
see what the court docides. Either the could Ract as back enforcement in-
plemented or Proposition 14 as it-stands and then with regard to any action
by the federal government that would of course be between the federal government
and private business concerns and I don't think there'd be any place there
for the state government could intervane or have a voice. When I say the
state government could protest to the federal government, I'm talking about
such things a3 the Brassero decision, I'm talking about such things as down
in the Imperial Valley, the federal government has broken more than a thirty
year agreement with the farmers down there and told them that they must now
come under the 160 acre limitation on irrigatid farms even though their
water right preceded the federal governments water right and they have for
more than thirty years had a kind of contract or agreement with the federal
government and not been bound. First of all I think the government has an
obligation to stand up on behalf of the citizens and threw the full power of
this state into a protest. He cannot do this to our citizens.
Q. ?
A. Well, I don't think there 13 a discrepancy. A political party basically
has a general philosophy, and you align yourself with the party who's
philosophy you believe most nearly fits your beliefs and you appeal to the
people in that party to bagin with in an attempt to get the nomination
by stating your philosophy and bulief, and theyveither agree that this is
what they conselve 13 the party's philosophy enough to 30 along with the
or they don't. I YES a Democrat most of cy life and left that party when I
felt that actually the party had taken a turn in its philosophy and was
20 longer the party the I had joined, 23 a matter of fact, I think
the next time the Disporate have their Jedfarson-Jnckson Day dinner, the
Republicans ought to attend. I think their Jafferson belongs to U3.
No, I believe in this instance, here in Culifornia, there's nothing that
involves or implics that you're 3 politician by choceing to aliza yourself
with a party. I have been supporting that party and candidates (grothe
last three elections and have gone all over the country and the state
campaigning because of my belief that this bifers the best vehicle for
restoration of constitutional limits 01 the power of government. Let me
Just: add that in California, come of these eastern edicarialists who like
to point out that waiza 30 ridicilous here, that California doesn't make
sense. Well, 1: doccu't make sense by people who have become so spathetic
that they are willing to abide by dictites of machine politics, particularly
biz city machine politics, and we don't have this in Cillibraia. Thank heaven
we don't have it and we don't have it because of 3 min who also is not a
politician to begin with, a governor who marked this state as DO other
governor has marked any state, Iron Johnson, He U.S 2 trial lawyer and be
1
became governor at a time when California was controlled by bossism, vas
corrupt, was literdlly owned by cortain b13 business and he freed 1t and he
established certain principles that have kept since that time the politics
of the state in the kands of the people. In the 0232 they say 15 you're
going to run for office you have to 30 in a smoke filled TOOD and a michine
agrees 2: disagrees with whether you're the condidate. CU: hote, you sotta
take your case to the people. You have to do what I's doing at a primary
QLO
You have to present yourself and the people will make the decision.
That's the W 1t thould be.
C. 1?
A. I'll have to 12're this 03 quick 33 localble. You did not present maything
to me sir that has not been on my mind for quite scine time. I'm well aware
of everything you call. First of all, I vould hope that If ve that if
we had a victory, NO could regress the imbalance somewhat, that we would
be a little closer to the opposition and legislative power tim we are now.
If you at lasst can limit than to simple mijority, you've got one victory,
because of the number of things that require a 2/3 majority,
Now the other thing is this. First of all, on some legislation this legislature
has shown its willingness to cross party lines. A good major public accembly
= trom Long Batch introduced three crime In the last session, chree
very good nessures that would have gode 2 long very toward halping our 1av
enforcement officers to protect society instead of the other way around.
These good bills were so good they overwholdidgly passed the assembly and the
sensie and they were pocket vatood by the government, but remember they did
pass the logislature. NCV 1: 13 true that I can see this gentloman up* there
trying to him string the governor of the opposition party. It is also truE
that number one, the governor can do a lot of appointing and all those
bureaus and agencies. His philosophy can be reflected 11 the management
and therruning of those burenus and agencies. The governor has a blue
pensil . It good with the job. He can talte that belget and he cannot
eliminate daything completely. That calls for logislation, but he can
blue 1: dure 10 00 the Collar. To other thing 13 this
If 1c C0223 to = voal hard case of something that the governor believes 19
for the good C the prople, and to has been stopped on a purely partison
standpoint en the your of the speciar for the sociably, Mr, Honrue, then
I think that the governor C/O 30 to the puble and Itate his case to the
people and I think I've 30= come fult qualifications for doing that, and
I think that the governor than says : the people this is bill, this is
what we are trying to Jo. Thiside why it 10 being blocked and here are the
people that ave blocking it, and than you come down to assemblymen and
Senators, beholding to voter 3 who can only SO so Ear in ignoring the will of
the people 1f the will of the people is expressed to than strongly enough.
Now as to Mr. Emarue(?) being a politicion, I grant you he 10, but I want
to say one thing on =7 own behalf, I had some people suggest that if
he and I were in a room together, one of UD night come out without his
treusers and 10 might be me. But date 10, in FV own defence 100 23 tell
you this das thing. Back in those twenty 011 years in the guild
I sat across the table from some not anestly unclare follows like Jack and
Harry Marner add Louis B. Mayer and Parry Cohen and somehow I naver had to
go home in a barrel and I don't think that Jessia can be as completely
the much suarter than 2 lot of those fellows. And so I'll take by clinces.
CALIFORNIA COUNCIL FOR ADULT EDUCATION
International Hotel
12 March 1965
Presidents, incoming and outsoins, Massrs, Enthousy and Lacey, Ladies and
Gentlomen, you realize that you struck a kindred note with me when you
began amouncing those because of the flu. Those poor people
don't know what is in store for them. I assure you that I an no longer
contagious, as a matter of fact I as supposed to be well. That is the
nice thing, 1£ you haven't had it yet, about the flu, you get up and go
about your business and you can look forward to going back to bad again.
In my case twice, and I'm soing back for the third time when I leave here
tonight but I'm not going to tell you about my operation. You know it is
a wonderful thing - a specker has to guard against being in a posicion of
scening to give divice. I've always found that in trying to warn myself
against that I always try to recall the three sentence essay that was
written by a small Sirl, very brief, but it contained that irreputable
Peninine logic that is so maddening if you are in a quarrel at home. She
wrote on Socration. She sald Socraties was a Greek, be went around giving
free advice and they poisoned him. I 4a sorry that Nancy couldn't be here
but in addition to my condition, another little emergency at home has her
there with the children. It has been a very exciting and wonderful new world
that I seem to be at least dipping my toes into and 1: has been exciting for
Nancy 200. She has learned to make spaeched in the tub. She figures it 13 the
only place that 10 safe for the people she wants to talk to and what she wants
to cay to than and it has served the purpose that when she finally anerges she
1.: =>= only clumsed bes she has rid bottals of some flustracions nod she can
then love Edr Shipper, our 7 yis old, has a very simplified approach
2.
to the whole thing. To doesn't underwornd why I have to go on these trips and
30 around speaking. No bas bean watching Death Valley Days. He figures I just
ought to so to Sourmento and seend in the middle of the street and say, "Pat,
one of U3 has so: to be one of tom by surve." Well now that night be as over-
simplification of the problem but 1: card we in to say that pushaps all of us
are guilty of over-cemplicaring Come problems. New I'm not going to stand here .
and attempt to talk to you on the purpose the has brought you together for the
purposes of your association. That is always the wrong thing to talk about, I
think, to case in and try to be an enginee in the other field! On the other
hand, while a speaker always tries to carablish some counon meeting grounds,
some repport, perhaps we do have one with the subject I am going to talk about
because It is going to doal with 1 citizen's role. I have embarked on a kind
of a citizen porticipation of politics and you have boon enbarked for a
very long time very definitely in 2 edulson's roll, I know this is probably
very old to you and you deal with a vary serious side of a problem dealing
with our clults, but the wonderful thing in America is we Clu always have a
little sense of humor about it. Do you know the story about the fellow who
couldn't make it through college? Mathematics V40 his devall and fimilly
83 the years went by though he invented a little gedzet in his garage and
now, 23 quite a multi-millionaira, be gave a $500,000.00 grant to the college
and they awarded his an honorary degree, the only kind he could get as he
couldn't make the other kind. Talking discrupts, the President of the
College said to His, "It is just wonderful, to 330 his lide turns out and
what happens." He said, "Here you vers, and the diffirmities you had in
school, you wanted to 30 to school sobindly and now you are gliting the
colluge 1- this You do you uploin it?" lla cald, Thil, in reality
1: 13 just CAFE of whot here. I figured ON: that palset in the
garage till I dearhed 10 on = the market and I additionally them for
$1.00 :-1 bill You But 11.00 10th you twiche you 100% Day
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3.
To get back to the problems we over-complicate. I sometimes think that an
swful lot of us in this country today, if not the world, are sort of like
a writer who has come to a great plot problem and is really stuck and doesn't
know how to make it work and finally 2030 back and does a little studying of
the pages previously written and discovers that maybe the plot was based on
a false premise. There 1. no way to make it come out until you correct that.
First, let me try to cut through some senantics on some of the problems that
bother us today. Everybody, it seems, comes today complete with a hyphen,
even among the clargy you are a social goupel-clorgy, or you are a fundamen-
talist, In economics, for which I have received my own degree, today you
are either a kenrjan-economist, or you are a traditionslist-economist, and
everybody, of course, all the lalty, must be properly pigeonholed as conser-
vative, or liberal, or moderate, or ultra this, or left ving, or right wing.
I think those Icbels, chose general labols demand a little discussion. Now,
the risk of being partisan - I introduce this not for that note but only
because I think that in the area of senatics somebody revealed a kind of
double standard of thinking here. The Chairman of the Democratic Party,
Mr. Coke, was asked a question he other day - "How would your party feel
with expremist groups?" And he said, "Well, at this moment I know of no
single group within our party that poses any particular kind of problem
from the point-of-view of extremism." He said, "I'm quite certain that the
Right Wing influence of the Republican Party will be a mijor tople for most
Democratic nandidates for office." This is then where the double standard
W63 revealed. He said "The strength of the Democratic Party is its diversity
and the Republicans will not become streng unless they learn to accomodate
diversity" act I wanted to sty We're trying."
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Basically, I'd Miss : talk about there two cost common 10bcls that seen to
divide US right down the alddle, today's Scodervative, and the Liberal.
Today's Conservative, schoolly bacause there has been 2 change of meaning
as we all know, was really the Patient of Productionary Days in the begin-
ning of this Country and I would think 1: is cade to Bly that those who ad-
vocate the more Liberal philosophy, in that day vould have been Torreys. New,
before you take exception to that, let ne polat out that the Revolutionists
were Conservatives in the Edward Burke Conservition. Reasoned philosophy
directed commed control of the Forces of chouge in such 2 way as to converve the
best elements of the past by blanding that into on organic unity with new
elaments in an ever-ruvolving society. But they were Revolutionists and they
were redicals remarkably sinilar to bodige so-ealled Conservatives in that
they wanted local rule, they wanted a leconding of concessioned authority and they
wanted #3 much individual Excedom as Lt U10 possible to have. Nov, the Torreye
of that day, of COUTOS, wanted the of rule by the King, as E balieve
the Liberals of today want an increase in the Contrulized Fower, the Government.
Indeed the only common denominator cometimes that seems to be required to get the
Liberal support of proposed legislation is the extent to which it will empower
the Federal Government to take action. Now, It is true that truch of what the
Liboral wants, and I mean this sincerely 23 inspired by huminitaritaism; there is
no question shout that. A concern for material valiere and the lack of an answer
to so many of the problems brought on by age and disease and poverty and deprivation,
have tempted all too many of US out cato the this ice of the and justifying the
metds. OF course,you 1111 know that there can be no 1.tv and order Le we ever
subscribe to that philosophy that 1; 30 much a tenant of the secular nature of
the Sevior. you, 1:1 the the on 15 the Misseal : d'inde
constitud by a belief in Federalization, riuch nieur processes,
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: believe that to 2 fair I want to talk about this confusing thing
of tagging people and Malling them one 00 fringas. If VO carry
Liberalism to don't you successfully through the planning and
the controls of the grand society CA to an ever nose controlled society,
similar to the modified Mirxisa of the Countries and England,
under the Labor Govermment, and going ca to further Nutremise in that direc-
tion, you must eventually come to the Totalntaricnism of the Societ Union, the
ultimate in Laft Wingion. But doesn't this also, 12 you are going to do that,
don't we submly discover the of Hitler, the Corporate State
of Mussolini, used 13 perific examples of the Far Right, don't they, in
reality, balong over there, beside the Totalatarianiom of the Soviet? Doesn't
such a thing 20 the Xu Klast Klaa balong over on the Right because would it
not Bary 3000 people thair Cod given 02 the bailson sees, relizion, or
national origin? Tould they not invoice the pervez of Government to restrict
the freedom of some individuals?
Well, now let's get to Conservation and carry that to Internion and since i:
believes in the individual freeich, the limited pover of Government, 1t would,
1f carried to Extromion, 30 through more and more loss affair, is would move
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on over ultimately to evolving 1: no law and order 00 complete anarchy. Ua-
fortunately, this doesn't Elt OUR conformable cliche About the Right Wing
and the Lift Wing 07 even the Middle of the Told, so I would like
to pose for your consideration the 1101, with the quantions 03 to whether there
13 a Lift 0. 3 Right. I wonler If it doesn't make nose sunse to city there is
only on 3? e: Dorm. Now the => is to the Ultimate individual freedom consis-
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6.
: think the founding fathers know this. These man were ordinary citizens - all
of than, students of history. There more no politicians among thes. They
created what I believe is scill the most unique idea in all the long history
of man's relation to m.m. I must confess to you that personally I subscribe
to the belief the there is mode then coincidence in this country, being estab-
lished here bottoon the two counts, to be found by people who have an extra
spark of courage and love of friedom. I think there THE a kind of divine plan
in it. Then, brought together on this continent with that little band I have
mentioned, the founding fathers, who ware 00 advanced beyond their time that
the world has never seen the like since. The declaration that they signed was
unequivocably the cocortion that every man had aliencole rights to life,
liberty and freedom of choice confored on his at birth by the Creator. They
auggented this declaration by drowing up the Constitution of the Bill of Rights.
Seventy years after they performed this cask an Englishman, Lord Atzine, the
some one who coined the phrase "Pover Corrupts endibsolute Power Corrupts
Absolutely". With comment on the work they had done, Lord Atking said they
had solved with astonishing and unexampled success two problems which had here-
tofore baffled the capacity of the most enlighteced agent. They had contrived
the system of Federal Government which prodigHously increased national power
and yet respected local libertics and authorities and they had founded it on
C principal of equality without surrendaring securities for property and freedom.
I think his Lordship today would find there is no quarrel with the idea of the
prodizious increase of National Power. I think he would bave to look ? little
farther for what happened to local liberty and authority and those securities
for property and fronion. Seceviere Plaze scoms to bwa back 2 perversion has
totan place. Our inclicable rights are now decided to by a disponsation of
Sovernment and inj 224 made dividible injurity rule is
subsible inc the 6831 :: of Charabica, = any other
organization, 5.: mly if te have 1 us: 33 20" highes
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one man, one vote, the greatest good for the greatest number, hard at first
hearing to quarrel vith, but 15 you dailyze them properly, don't they really
mean that 50% of the people, plus 1, will do anything they choose to the
rest, simply because they 272 17 the injerity. This is mob rule. This is
the unique hardbage time we have in this country, a set of ground rules, our
right to 1130, with literty, to sport, to ansomble, to worthip, to doing what
we are here tonight, in short - OUT inalicable God given rights, may not be
submitted to 2 vote. That was the very purpose of the 3111 of Rights that
forever put them beyond the reach of the majority rule. Other countries have
constitutions but aloot : without presption and they seen very similarin may
ways, to our own but alcost without exception there is a fundomental differ-
ence that is 30 suttle that it almost gots by and ascapes us as we find our-
selves saying: "But where are 32 so different?" And yet it is 30 great that
it tells therwhold story. Alcost all the other constitutions say: "The
Government 320023 you this right." 0023 pays: "You are born with this right.
The Government can't take 1: away from you." Now I think it would be foolish
to deny that OUT country is deoply split philosophically. Che the one hand
the Covernment controls the pleaning and on the other more volunteeriom and
self-goverement. One side 10 very prone to charge the other with engaging
in 3 plot with some representatives of one side, lusing the walfare state "2?
for some as 2 device to bring on statelen and collectivisn, they view every-
thing as a plot. But on the other hand, I think 10 is fair to by the other
side has stue people just as guilty. They change that opposition to their
dreams of utopinnion must always be bronslated 08 opposition to the humani-
torion goal and for every charge of pink gold; of lafrist, there is someone
the can stand 7? :::: you right in the aye and NO drate you infor
scusone 1; = Community NW Fancist Croup?" I think the she Inc core to
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: think the time has Code to recognize that the majority of Americans want and
dowand a solution 20 the problems I acationed earlier that besat US, I doult
think the American prople will cottle 101 anything lass. The area for ligitimate
debate is how and A: what risk [0 DUE creditional consupts of freedon and inde-
pendence. There 13 no quarrel with the youls of the great society and there can
be no danying that the great society will colve the problem but the question is,
at what price. If 1: cannot, = the GAID time, rensin a free society, it is not
truly a great society. Nov, I think se have already gone a long way in creding
many of our traditional solaguards. Lowell Mason, 2 former enti-trust lov en-
forcer for the Fadaral Trade Co nission, has written 2 book called "The Language
of Depent' and he says that in this country one sees a growing acceptance of the
thesis "The Violation of the Economic Demands of the State" are core dangerous
to our material veliere then criminal offenses and therefore C In be punished
without due process, and he says that today the hodge-polge of laws and regula-
tions concerning business practices are DO confusing and so many and this 1s the
can find
man who enforced than, but he said that the Government some
charge to bring against any business concern it chooses to prosedute, Ha was
talking about this in a speach to 1 business man's convention one day and he
made the point that you could absolutely find a business concern Jullty either
of sati-trust violation, 07 you could find it guilty the other WV, of not co-
openating and doing things the same 03 the other businesses. A men in the
audience raised his hand and cald "You fools found = guilty of Seth." You,
if you question this assorsion, That of the Former?"- His property can be
searched without 2 verrant 1f be 13 subpleted of violating not 2 lay but a
regulation and a penslty, actually 2 fine, on be accessed without due process
12:35 doctor's N7 1:, Mg proparty ::: : in may has al-
verify boon cold no The 0.00 of Tickest V3. There In the Suprime
Crist, a ruling MM ; and 4: that clouds 207 the title CO
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possess. It VOD that the Covernment his the right to control what the govern-
subsidizes. Toley's Covernment subsidy virtually reaches into every phase
of our lives, Another rule - Signature Court - entablished that in the country
today the Covernment has the right : tall a Citizen what he can plant on his
own land for his com USA Due somett 13 as Government spreads out 1: can get
laughable 12 It ion't =0 painful. Maha now there 10 a controversy going on in
Washington, D.C. IC that Wirrow Dros. made a fila for the Government that
cost of quite some thousands of dollars, Now the film 1s a kind of an American
Travelegue but 1: is 00 experiment in influence because running as a
thread undernoath this file 10 that tobacco 13 very delightful and is a great
joy and pleasure, and they are going to display this film, hoping they can
stimulate the consumption of Amorican Tobacco but while they are arguing about
that film in Washington, down tin San Diago County the Covernment is conducting
an experiment in which they are going to try to convince the people of SanDiego
County that smoking 13 bad for than and they should give up the use of tobacco.
At the June time V2 Flod that the same Government that decauds that tobacco
now put something cn thair packages and in their alvertising that says that
tobacco 13 bad for you, the Government subsidices the growing of tobacco and
makes sure there 1s a market for all that the furners can produce.
In the area of setton, 10 subsidize,ue have an artificially unintained price
for the cotton grower but this is too High for the foreign conSumer of cotton
DO 33 subsidine the sending of cotton abroad. Now the minufacturers abreed
make cotton goods shirts andthings out of this subsidiand Amrican cotton and
they bring then in to the American market and they 002 untersall the American
minufacturer. So the Antia annuf probisted - you heav what the
1, - the Communication gold "Te'll you." S, day 153 baing
Callined but 111 they have discovered thise THE 1 lot of
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companies making synthesic fibors to that compate with cotton and they said:
"Wast about us?" You've guesand it, the Government is now exploring hav
they CAR subsidite the cynthetic fillows and the only trazic thing that really
hurts when you laugh 10 all these would aduatity, they all come out of one
pocket, that's the fullow buying the which, that's the fellow who 13 going
to buy the cotton goods and he 1: paying the whole freight for everybody to
be fairly competitive with each other and 1t just somehow doesn't seen to
make much sense,
The scae Government says the two million firmers must leave the soil 17 the
next fow years, they ore no longer needed, there 13 no place for the small
family form, only the large form, but that same Government Insists
that farms that are irrigated with Federal irrigation water must be no larger
than 160 acces. Nov, there 1s an to che great society and it is
not, as 30.12 people are charged, just the unsymplithetic, "Int them oat coke 1 11
I think the time has come for citimens to demand a chird alternative to why
they are not trying to Dolve the problem because, as I said, there 10 a great
determination on the part of the people that the problem can and must be and
will be solved.
I think, first of all, what 13 needed, and I believe 10 COR buzin at a local and
a State level, 13 to case sciely many of our Government Programs, what are the
goals? What are we trying to seconplish? And are we secomplishing those Socle?
H
Is the money well spend? Is vuliure, for exemple, suppoued to perpotuite
poverty and create 3 permanent goal and we now have housing sininistratives
point out that we are 11 a third that by been living on public's
coolet 121, aching for genered the it is the of 116 beavere they have
never = in the Smally in : 30 on to a
Sourth, = Should to to, and this stould berthe you Serance Inc.
Have you 123 .1 god In the kind of 1113 e : public funing
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Shouldn't welfare be designed to and the problem? Shouldn't welfare, if it 13
successful, DOV make one thing plain, there are two phases or sections to welfare.
I an not talking dieut Chose people who through no fault of their cm, age, dis-
ability, whatever, change provide for thousalvan, and I 20 sure that everyone
of U3 is proud of our ability to provide for those people not only the necessi-
ties of life but WB hope that we 032 provide done of the conforts that make
life worth living. I'm talking of that temporary section of welfare that is
supposed to be in principal being tided over an emargency period until they can
get on their fant again and out into society, as sulf-custaining citizens. Now,
in my opinion, this should be the function of welfare. Let mea and women of
goodwill who are in agreement on goals honostly get together to seek the prac-
tical solution. The Conservative has a reconnsibility to rule out of order
those people in his 01/0 midst who are such purists that they would in truth
settle for complete 1010 and
say there 13 RO SHOWST if the individual can't provide for himsell. Noone
believes that with any common sanje 0= responsibility. OZ course I recognize,
I'm sure there 13 a fricze that does but the Liberals at the same time nust
recognize and walk any first from those people in their nidst who are using
these problems 03 a device to schieve sone kind of mostar plus for all mankind,
or from those irrespossible people in their hidst who reduce to legitimately
debate = and who charge that dayone who won't scoopt
their way of doing things is opposed to the humanitarian goal. Now, it's no
Expremist accusation, I believe, to point out that as Ship thing has grown
there are some people the probibly, thout even realizing it, just automatical-
1y sceept Government Set Covernment's colie. I 133 and some time 430 17
Investines
Companies
in
this Sanda to pool their 111 their visit out 2 single
virtually neceprofit Total documents State: they and
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this in New Jaresp and they voze defented. The State would not allow then
to do it, 23 012 Scote did allow then to do it, and in announcing this
refusal the Covernor of Nov Januay sall 17, you can't let then do that.
That would make it 1020 difficult for the Policel Covernment to get its
compulsory program passed." Hav have I suggest there 13 just Government
for Government's sake - if 1t 1sn't going to be colved at the Government
level then they are not going to let anyone solve it, The place of the
Citizen in Covernment is more than just a march to the polls and pay a tax
and do precinct work in bohalf of 2 click of professional politicians. The
Founding Futhers were, 23 I cald, ordinary citizens and they created a
social and economic structure to be run by ordinary citizens and VO honest-
1y believe that there is sode intellectual elite that 13 available to
Government and capable of making all the decisions in our couplex life and
as to increase in numbers, Lon's the TOVETOB true in reality that we must
turn not more to Government but loss to Covernment because only the people
actually do have the capability of solving the multitudisous problems, an-
swering the questions, for example, that some up everyday in the market place,
problems of living space, yes - the problems of human relationships,
How much fanfare grasted a commercial consuncement not too long ago that ton
Invester-owned Unility Companies bad joined together in a comercial under-
taking, investing ten and a half billion dollars, and they vote going to pro-
duce two hundred million dollars in now phyroll, coverty=Zive million dollars
in now this and 2 power output times times the total capitity of TVA and yet
the average American knows mothing of this and no Extrineday changed hunds. How
well known is 1: that at the and of World War II Jense Johns in the Government
:: is Inv Government Pleasey
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the transition first Mar to Pacca, and 30 he formed a council of Economic
Advisors and he 1123 sparred on by the plans that he already saw before the
ver was over on the decuing boards in Washington. He called in
the Nation's business landers and they voluntarily forund a program, 50,000
business men, through 2000 lovel e: mission, and they did the post-war pleaning.
No tax money oh aged hands and today It 18 scill in there and the Economists
are trying to explain that RO catushrophy happened, that we moved from the
great War Economy, with no lessaning of prosperity, right into a Deceetime
Economy. Several years 430 there was 2 Foleral employee who testified at a
brocden
hearing as to whether the Government should weatere a certain Walfare Pregram
and when he had finished testifying in behalf of broadening it, that he
solved nothing except that it'enst ba breadened, one of the Congression asked
him Lf he would suggest an alternative and speak on the other side and rather
pussled, he said "I don't know what you mana by the other side." There THIS
only one side 23 far as he WC3 concerned.
Well, I've chocon to describe RE the Citizen's roll as that 23 an active per-
ticipant 10 a creative society, with Government serving as an agent to mobil-
ize the full creative energies of the people, to solve the problems which in
the last analysis only the people can solve. I think the Government should ask
the leaders of industry what 022 they suggest as a plea, how can Covernment
cooporate, s== out of their vay if they ave harraching or interfering, what 043
they do in the offering of box inconcives to obinalize industry 30 that hare In
OUI State, with its doollaing business climite the job opportunities will ba
available to the vary kind of people that you daal with and that you are talking
to, : have 3 this the productional have to DURA to
the beales 0.1 the compus, I think have to turn to people 11ka yourself, for
the andrew to what incomeded and what 0.00 Covernment : mea to aboporate 1.
which thice programmed be International 10 1:11 shall 50
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people dolng the :-) have 30 such well knowledge of what is needed. A fou years
age a National Mignature rea a sopies of articles C.1 What 10 OUT National
Purpose" and may diosi pulched MDA contributed, spoke to this subject, OT wrote
to this subject, the Probident of the United States, and curiously
enough =0 producted truch tearged of chose articles. Now, I don't mean
to pose that having sach the noticy I could run the civous but it struck as
since that perhaps the reason there was nothing profound out of their writings
was because NO had a National Purpose for come two hundred years, our National
Service USD the implementing of the original duesa of the Founding Fathers,
that man has the copecity for Self-Coverement, that by ONE excesss all men
and Nationa will be inspired to anulate this realization of mas's age old
dream to be an individual served by and not serving Covernment, The dream was
assorted 11 the Declaration, it 3830 reaffience In the Conscitution, and to
those people the would suggest that we have outywoma the Constitution cad
that 1: states in OUI any to prograss, : would suggest that 1: is probably
the most vital and alive document contract, quaranteeing the cost limited and
equitable government that has over been known in the history of man and to
those who would depart from it, I could only quote Daniel Webster who gaid
"Hold on, F7 friends, to your Constitution, to the Constitution of the
United States of American and to the Republic for which a stands. Mircoles
do not clustry, what has happened 0,00 in six thousand years my nover happen
again. Hold,on to your Constitution for if the Americ 1 Constitution shall
fail there will be throughout the Horld.
Ronald Rangan
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Now IT. Baczan has preciously constated to decept the questions from the
sudience. If any of you have any questions you'd like to direct to him,
he would be 31rd to insury them,
Mr. DollaRabld:
12, Gassan - That, LE anything, has happened
in the last couple of years with regard to Special Program? What is your
thinking about financing Adult Education?
Reagen: Wall, first of all, when I spoke there and renarked about what
you were doing you, of course, are in DDC of the most vital areas of today
because, white in California ve have some unemployment due to the lack of
jobs, basically in this Country undeployment Is due to 2 leck of job skills.
For the three million unemployed in the United States there are three
million jobs looking for workers. You, it is very easy and I have found
myself accused of being opposed to Federal Add. No, I recognize the great
naciality for Federal Aid Secause Smakly I think the Federal Government
down through the years has more and vote usurped the tax raising ability
of the local levels of the Government and of the Statesand 1: 13 our money
and to do the necessary things that must be done we must have this money
back. My objection has been to an excess of Government control that goes
with Faderal Aid and until we can sous way, if 1: ever can be done, ristore
the ability to tax at the Local and State lovel for our ONE USD, I favor
Federal Aid that is money cornarhed, without strings attuched, and left
at the Local and State level for us to make use of it as -ie 339 fit, so
I have no quarrel with this financing of this program, Another one here?
My goodsies! Listen, let me tell you something. Don't think about the as
a guest up here because there isn't going to be any real interest 1f you
ore going to be polite 202 the thi you hight upset 13 -
It won't, and I'm going to and a lot of people in Colliornia what I'm golog
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to ask this and you've got at #ight to ask 03 whatever 13 02 your mind.
I tured 01 the willo and cod in the paper about you walking out of the
meeting 2 thank of 00 100. I'd 11:3a to hear about that. I
Photing in Santa Poulce - I so: mad! I: T13 a Convention of
the California Nagro Republican Acceptly and 1: has becn,-this is why I'u
happy you schody 1: the been quite investantaly reported. 10.1 - I did not
will out in the sanse of disrupting a meeting that was going on. No.2 -
I UC3 not in say very displaised with the delegates or with the running of
the Convention. Ii 703 well sun, the questions were proper, we all answered
then and the ground rules were that the questions could be directed to
individuals, or to the group. There were three of vo, three Gubernatorial
Candidates there... or, we could volumber an anyway to 2 question directed
to sousons else, and the last question of the day bad been announced, which
hoppened to be 00 Education. It WRS not, cycin as reported, on Legislarion,
The obhervations lad spoken to the question and I than spoke to the question
very frankly. LAfter I had answered the quistion, I school a point of person-
al privilege and I directed =] words to J to follow condidates because,
very frankly, Ilthought that in their answers they had infored throughout
the afternoon that I belonged 0735 in come kind of 1 corner with bigotry
and realin and this touches a nerve, There is nothing I datast more in any
one than bigotry and I just wasn't 30ing to stand still for even by informace,
this being attached to me and I told then 30 and T told then I wasn't going
to sit still for it there or any place alos. I and then I walked
but Inter on I 13 everying had 3 nost of the dologatos
to the Convention come over afternal and I'll till you that there ware DOLD
of Mill 1, sales to this 22 the
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Question: G 2 lidelong educational basic, do you feel that you, together
with the help of the downmunds, could solve this problem of Adult Education?
Reagen: You vould loss more about this 01 a lifelons educational basis than
I do but 1:0 are any that right novime have a great exemple of - let be suggest
that perhaps there 1.3 03 emergency basis right now for what you are doing and
Brrr
for a long time to corp. Whether this albers your long range goals -/down Pat -
Down here in South Central 133 Angeles in the Watts Area there is a wonderful
thing going on that THE brought about by the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce.
By that, with the tragic disturbines there, one man, Jack M:Clellon, did
sealthing that has been long overdue 23 far 23 the private sector of the
economy is concerned. He mobilined the Chamber and be mobilized at that time
more than E hundred industries, manufacturing industries here In Los Angales,
County and one down and his approach was "Look, we can't duck it any longer.
This is our problem. You cha't S? on suggesting that Government find the jobs
for people and put them on the people's puymoll. This is like drinking your
own blood to stave off starvation. The private sector of the economy must
provide the productive jobs and the jobs of the future and you've got a
hundred industries and DOW they are up to around 260 to pledge "Yes, they
agree". They went dewn into this area and opened as office and a fine com-
mittee of responsible nagso business men joined with then in helping them
nob1 lice and find out the extent of the problem, There were about twenty-
five thousand unduployed.Nov they very quickly that about hilf of
those were unployable by relson ofin some incomence illiteracy and some d13-
ability, of course, thingsef this kind, but there vare half of then that were
employable 1f given come on-the-jcb training, or sous immediately employable
and to date, in city wonths, they have given TOTO this 2000 jobs chrough this
program 11 private industries and i: 13 30 successid than they are 207
of anywhing this to 2 perminent thing fo: the vegalopolis,
CAZ entire have, but this 00.00 too the summe to your qualion
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that other 50%. This 13 a social problem. This 13 the responsibility of
all of US, Thire 13 no writing out of Government. There is e great.
legisitute 0003 for Government consulation and here in the specialized
and constitue individual problems that you doal with all the time,
this is where VB are going to take that other half end minimize that down
by eventabily publing thin in 1 position where they can be productive and
finally we ave down to those people that are our responsibility because
we are our byother's keeper. And so, I foreise you as having a very vital
and sative roll because many of bliede - viry, I went down to visit Operation
Beckstrop. There 10 a fine young follow down there, Lou Saish, but I don't
know how long be is going to knep it soing, he just basn't been able to get
the becking but by solly, they've 30% = well-worked out plan and idea but
he told M3 stories that would tear your heart out. No told us storics of
a 73 yr old women the came in and cold "I want to loarn". He said "You
cen't send her may - you cad't tall her that there is some red tape =:
We'll find something -
which she to not eligible. "He said/"/ou cen't tall her this and halliate
her by sending her any" and this is probably why I believe CO strongly
that such problems should be more administered with more automoly at the
local level because the forther may you recove things from the people the
1083 respect there 10 for the individual, Just think 12 she vant into come
program where
Mary bid to any to her Wall, the rules specify that
you == no: - tho"e=and humilisted, she walked ont.
They'll find southing for her and she'll be very happy and improve her-
sall. Is there sousons alon? I you't make a speech 01 all of those - Yes?
Quantion:
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problems that are involved in trying to educate an increasing mumber of young
people.
Redgun: Well, that to kind of 3 prohage deal, isn't it? First of all, with
regard to same of the discrders that have taken place at Barkeley, I feel
very strongly that the - I any loss some
on this - I feel very strongly
that the Faculty Comittee should be restricted to condenic problems and that
the administering should be in the hands of the Administrators. They should
be given 2 Code and 2 Pattern of what is departed and what is the Code of
Conduct and the Rules and be told to administer within that code and if they
won't, get scheone that will. But now, EJ to the future - have you ever -
I soustimes look at this and I wonder 16 we don't again, in research and
study of these problems, need to ask ourselvas again to clarify the goal
and determine that we are not subsiditing, in some instences, intellectual
curioulty instald of education et the public's expense. Nov, I have no
quarrel with intelluctual curiosity but Invonder LE the citizenry is totally
responsible for finding some subsidising on through various dagrees. I'm
thinking, to make it safe, you see, 30 I won't get in trouble, let me talk
about Michigan State. I can't help but wonder If there in't something
wrong with Mohigan State making it possible to get a Masters Degree in the
repair of band instruments. New, I don't think the employer should have to
subsidize or under rite that, not to the extent of a Master's Digree anyway,
and I wooder sonetives if ve have 1: in our pride to have this fine Institu-
tion - I'll 30 this Bac and tall you that some of the Theore Arts I have
been in - DOV this happens to be my business, and I Tast to tell you that if
some of those kids sway busone biz state in television, movies, or on the
HELL golate claim shott 100 it aqual to the
they 100ml the ::: in : behool, I'm donclal by ave 5? there and I think
20.
that some of the biggest start on Broadway, in the dressing rooms with the
pipes running through the ceiling and all this you, know, and a steam radistor
whistling away in the corner, and then you walk into all the facilities
provided for the kids that are Coins to learn, revolving stages, and up-and-
down stages, and radio stations, and TV Studios and all, I think maybe that
Lot's fix our eye on -
it starts with/What is our- goal"- and than let's find out if we're getting
our dollars worth.
I won't stay for more than a minute or 50 as I promised Nancy I wouldn't and
she is home waiting with the thermoneter.
significance
Question: I would like to ask you what the difference is of the Democratic
Segment, the Negro Segment of the Democratic Party, and the Republican Party?
their o va group in putting up. candidates - now is this healthy -
and now let me point out through the regular channels of the party, both of
the parties
Well this is - of course, you have touched a nerve with me. This was the
question about minerity groups within both political parties, forming their
own groups, or associations, having conventions, nominating candihtes, etc.,
or putting up candidates - I know that the landership of both parties, when
I say lendership I mean the elected Chairman, Central Commitees, etc,, I'm
opposed to this and believe that the answer lies in full participation in
the full party councils and I agree with that because I have a feeling that
some years ago, for purely political purposes, an administration in this
country hyphenated Americans and everybody was pulled over into a block,
the Polish American, the Maxican American, the Mazro American, and the Irish
American, and they got everybody blocked off and than 1t became very hundy
and convenient to is to those separate groups with political proudies but
this is postrury to that scie American dress I vas talking about and Trankly,
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I favor un-hyphenating Americans. OF course, anyone of them, and whether
it is due to our vork, due to a minority status, a religious status,
something that askes us 80 counter, such as a religion that objects
to serving the Country in way, or southing. We all have personal 02
individual problems, or group problems that require some special treatment
but basically the problems that beset 113 are the same. There isn't any
hyphenated group in this country that feels any differently about the
inability or the worry of letting their wives walk down a City street
at night, with the feat that the streets are no longer safe. There isn't
anyone that isn't concerned about losing their home when they come to those
non-earning years and find that they can't keep up with the escalating tax
bill on the property because they are now on a retiring income such as
Social Security. All of these problems are problems that must be solved
by all of he together and our answer 1s togetherness. I have always
subscribed in my life to a balief that there would be a lot less trouble
in the world if we'd talk to each other instead of talking about each other.
Incidentally, I will go back again to South Central Los Angeles and a wonder-
ful that Vas started. I haven't been able to check on how it has been working
out but some of the churches here in Los Angeles, negro and white churches,
got together and evolved the plan of family to family and they have gotten
people to 30 and visit in other people's homes and get acquainted and find
out how many problems they have in common. I'm quite sure that probably
those conversations, as they visited, dealt with recipes and what happens
when Willte comes home, and you vent to come up behind and whallop him with
a stick, 4:1 should you or not, I know there THE have been a STREET exchange
and I know the they intend to continue this and I find this is far better
than us continuing to suparate currelves.
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Question: This is 3 3 belated question - When I sit in the teacher's room
and I hear your nine, then I hour types of laughter - and "What - or why does
he think be balongs in Politics?" And I'm rather irritated, because I haven't
any answer. Phy do you feel you are qualified for Governor? Is it - -
Reagan: No, it isn't. No - and I'm slol you asked it because I realize that
I an sort of 2 subject to a two proof bacack right DOV. I'm supposed to be
some kind of a kook, a right wing kook who each my young and on the other side
I'm supposed to be totally without experience. Well, now you'll have to bear
with me and let me just give 2 bit of these experiences. You see, I think ex-
perience comes in a lot of ways and I don't think necessarily that it has to
come in a line - you all know the old story of the two people trying to get
a job in the School System and the one had 25 years experience while the other
one only had 1 year and they hired the one with 1 year. The other one pro-
tested and claimsd this 25 years experience and the Superintendent said:
"No - you had one year's experience repeared 25 times."
Now, cry dagree was in Economics and Sociology. I never went to Acting School
but a lot of people found that out already. During the war I was an adjusant
of an Air Base with 1300 Man and Officers and 250 Civilian Employees and this
means this is the Administrative Officer, but probubly the STRATEST experience
I have had along the lines of being an Executive or on Administrator happened
to be with the Guild. Now, let me just explain to you - The Screen Actors
Guild is it Uniting Union affiliated with the A Fr. of L. The Burden Actors
Guild has to do with the wases and the working conditions of more than 15,000
performato, V3 have an office in Hollywood, with on office budget of about
$300,000.00 per your, handquarters in New York, San Francisco, New Orlendo,
and Distribe, Toubing this: in that the cleated officers do the
work. to Ind's live my Jinery Office doing it When me appotions, and
in change for the Committees sportacing the contracts
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with the Producers. We sit in a room, across the table, and shake our flots
under their noses and pound the table with the men we work for and I say
that we have probably one of the finest contracts that has ever been worked
out for any Union, complete with a Pension and Welfare Fund, complete with
all the protections that would go along with working conditions and all this.
And if you think that everybody in Hollywood makes so much money they don't
need a Union, let me point out to you that our average earnings for our
people run just about the same as the Builder Trade Unions, because the
overwhelming bulk of our people are free-lancers and if they wait at the
phone for work they get a days work here and there, maybe two or three days
in a part. That is the nature of their lives - it is a very complicated
contact. In that connection, we had to - Murph = Senator Murphy and I were
together for many years in this same experience. He, too, was a President
of Guild before me, and we had to doal with Legislative bodies, with the
Government, the things concerning wages and hour laws, and things that
could have militated against our business, and this Industry Council that
was mentioned is a very unique thing, or WC3 a very unique thing in that
it consisted of Representatives of 31 Unions and all the Ownership and
Management Groups, and it dealt with those problems which effected the
Industry asaa whole, all our livelihoold, and I was President of that twice
and on the Board an additional eight years and at one time was sent by that
Commission to Washington to appear before the Mays and Means Committee to
advocate a Tax Policy that we thought would be beneficial to our industry.
No one else was sent with 02 and do one, including the heads of the Studios,
asked me what I W43 going to sly. They just tyrned ne loose to 30 and present
what Thought 133 the proper case for the business. I'm on the Board of
Directors of an Insurance Co pany, a Holding Company, a Hospital, was on the
Board of Trustees at my College, and I fail that I have had experience that
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qualifies me to do this. Now, I will make one last point. No State in
the Union is 30 marked by the regins of one man as California is marked
by the regime of Hiran Johnson, who had never served anday in office of
any kind, In his entire life, vas a Trial Lawyer until he became Governor
of California and he freed this State from bossism and corruption. As I
say - I am not a Politician - that is precisely why I am running. I just
think it is High time that more ordinary citizens got in there who weren't
bound in by the precedence that had been established and the obligations
that go along with long years of participation. I might, even, just in.
closing, on that question, say that it is just a matter of experience.
The fellow who is in there has had eight years experience and I happen to
think that's what is wrong.
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Question: Is there any underlying scheme between Mayor Yorty and Mr.
Christopher?
meant
Why, when Meyor Yorty said those nice things, I just assumed that/he was
( I'm kidding.
more afraid of me./ No, I don't think there is any underlying agreement
at all and I'm happy to see a contest on the other side for a change, al-
though I was surprised to learn the things are going so well in Viet Nam
that the Mayor feels he has time to do this - but - No, I'll tell you, in"
realty I think it is high time that the Democrats in this State (I was one
most of my life) had a choice, an alternative to the encumbant, and I think
that a primary between the two will bring out some things that need bringing
out. The other day I made a statement that I will repoat here - For one
thing - I hope such a thing will bring out an answer to the persistent rumors
from Washington that the deal, if there is one, involves whether the Governer
is really going to serve four if be should be re-elected, or
LE he is not just advancing towayd .3 pre-arrunged launching pad loading toward
a Washington address, because there is so much unusual activity around the
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contest for Lieut aant Governor in the Democratic Party that you just can"t
help but believe that somebody knows something, something is cooking there.
There was never such a scramble for that job as they are putting up, including
the suggestion that Mr. Johnson's righthend man, Lloyd Hand, would come out
and enter the race. But it is going to be interesting and I intend, as they
cut each other up, to just help all I can.
Question - (not heard) over transcriber.
Reagan: No, I certainly would not debute in the Republican Primary. I egain
have a deep-seated belief that a primary is a try-out in which no Republican
should ever become engaged in a context where he says anything that the other
party can then use. He must operate on the basis that any one of us might
be the Nominee and therefore you should always conduct the Primary so that
everythe can unite with no bitterness behind whoever is the Nominee. As to
debating Brown - I doubt if I would have that opportunity - I really couldn't
tell you -I would have to wait and see what the situation was and what things
look like then but I wouldn't debate another Republican. I think of a Primary
as a Wednesday afternoon try-out, everybody 18 running down the track to see
who can run the fastest and the fastest is going to run in the race on Saturday
against the others school.
Question: that are your vlews on California's Mar on Poverty? Do you feel that
it isn't as successful as you had hoped ? What would be your plans if you were
elected
Reagan: Wall, the War on Poverty, of course, is kind of out of the Governor's
hands because you know this 13 one of the basic things that it wrong - the
can girbually
Poverty Program is so set up that overrule Governors or
State Legislators and you know the Governors in Fotsuted this and
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demanded the right to have some say in their own States as to the imple-
menting of these programs. Again - noone could quarrel with the goats
but I think that this Proverty Program is turning out to be the biggest
port barrel and political patronage thing that we have ever seea. The one
program that seams to be very successful is The Head Start Program. Maybe
you know something that I don't know but certainly there is a real need
there and something should be done but as for the rest of the program,
they seen to be falling all over theuselves and everything is getting
organized and there is such fantastic - Now, in my little home town of
Dixon, Illinois, a little comsittee of ten people set themselves up as an
organization, self-appointed, and not responsible for the votors at all.
for
They put in/a grant of $38,000.00 to explore this home town and find out
if there is any poverty there. Now, this $33,000.00 will pay the Chairman
of this little group $12,500.00 per year, it will pay a couple of assistants
$7,500.00 a year and the rest is for office expenses. Why I know that town.
You could take a couple days to walk up and down the streets and find out
all you :: need to know about everybody in town because you know everybody's
name in town. And there are countless programs that way. All I can say in
about
/thes the War on Poverty is that Poverty is winning.
Question: You mentioned that you had been a Democratic most of your life.
What brought about the change?
Reagan: What brought about my change from being a Democratic Well, Winston
Churchill, you know, was a member of the Labor Party and changed to a
Conservative, and he said it better thin anyone could. He said "Sorce men
change Princl 1: for Party and name men change Party for Principle. I felt
that the Londership of the Demostatic Party is no longer following the tradi-
tional precepts of the Democratic Party and I would give as proof of that UII
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1932 Decocratic Platforn in which Franklin Delano Roosevelt was elected.
I suggestel, when they were arguing about a platform in the last '64 cam-
paign for the Republicons, : They don't we take the 1932 Democratic
Platform? It 13 brand new - it bas DOVOL been used - and we're all in it -
and our party, I would say, is in complete agreement with It. It's a
platform that advocabed123% reluction 1: the cost of the Federal Covern-
ment" it advocated "Return to the States and the Local Communities their
Constitutional Rights that have been unjustly seized by the Federal Govern-
ment." It sounds pretty Republican, doesn't it? But this was the part of
the Demberatic Party - it was a Party of Local Rules, State's Rightts,
Individual Freedom, and Constitutional Limite in the Power of Government.
I don't know whether I left the party or the party left 03, I W2S still
around - Yes, I campaigned forFarry. It 723 after that that I began to -
well, 1: was no sudden thing - I juic sorts drifted - I was on the mashed
potato circuit pretty consistently and speaking and I have always - -