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THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN
SERVICE memorial institute
MADISON, WISCONSIN
ERNST A. POHLE, M. D., PH. D.
PROFESSOR OF RADIOLOGY
December 13, 1934
Mr. H. H. Barker
c/o Robert Treat Hotel
Newark
New Jersey
Dear Mr. Barker:
I got on the train yesterday and also made connections in
Chicago. On the way home I did a little thinking concerning some of the
questions which were asked and of course being alone and in a quiet place
I could analyze some of the things far better than while on the witness
stand. The first thing I am doing, therefore, after I reached my office is
to write you some of the results of my deliberations.
You remember that among other things "histocytes" were said
to be in the gastro-intestinal tract and take up some of the foreign bodies
and carry them in the lymphatic vessels to be deposited then in liver, spleen
or bone marrow. Granted that this is possible we should think of the analogy
with the insoluble barium salt. Thousands of patients have been examined by
x-rays after they swallowed barium salt and it stands to reason that barium
being insoluble and acting like a foreign body should also be taken up by
the histocytes and deposited in the 3 organs mentioned above. Many patients
have numerous examinations while following up, for instance, the progress
made in the treatment of a gastric or duodenal ulcer. There is no doubt
that barium sulphate is radiopaque and there is also no doubt that radiologists
would then detect these faint opaque shadows on a film. In other words when
films are taken following gastro-intestinal examination one would expect small
shadows in either spleen or liver representing small particles of barium
sulphate carried there by the histocytes from the gastro-intestinal tract.
Since there is no case on record and since we are looking for such minute
shadows representing small kidney stones, small calcifications within the
retroperitoneal glands or phleboliths (calcifications in veins), I believe it
is obvious that if barium is at all taken up by the histocytes it is taken up
in such minute quantities as to be insignificant. You know it does not take
much barium sulphate to cast a shadow on an x-ray film.
May I also mention in this connection that very often examinations
are made with suspensions of barium sulphate for the very purpose of outlining
the entire surface of the gastro-intestinal mucosa. We call this a relief
picture. Mr. E. mentioned that if a suspension of that nature carrying an
insoluble radium salt would thus be brought into contact with a larger surface
of the mucosa of the gastro-intestinal tract a greater amount of resorption
could be expected. Since we see no barium shadows after the use of this method
it stands to reason that the same conclusion must be drawn as from the swallowing
of a larger quantity of barium sulphate.
If Dr. Schlundt has not been called or has not finished his
testimony I would recommend that you take this matter up with him and use it.
THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN
SERVICE MEMORIAL INSTITUTE
MADISON, WISCONSIN
ERNST A. POHLE. M. D., PH. D.
PROFESSOR OF RADIOLOGY
Mr. H. H. Barker - 2
I believe it is very important.
If possible try and get a copy of H. A. Colwell and S. Russ
"X-ray and Radium Injuries", London, 1934. Read carefully chapter 4, part
on blood beginning page 61. I am sure you will find a good many valuable
suggestions which you can still use. I draw your attention, for instance,
to page 66, paragraph 2, last sentence; page 68, caption B; page 74, last
sentence; also chapter 13, first sentence. This is all I can think of now
and I hope it may be of help to you.
With my best wishes, I am
Yours Insurance sincerely,
EAP/LC
P. S. Our pathologist just informed me that they have done autopsies on
numerous patients who had one or several gastro-intestinal examinations
following the administration of barium sulphate. No barium sulphate deposits
were ever found.
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