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RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (ALL-IN-1 MAIL)
CREATOR: Diana M. Fortuna (FORTUNA_D) (OPD)
CREATION DATE/TIME:16-AUG-1995 12:23:42.79
SUBJECT: A few catch up items
TO: Carol H. Rasco
(RASCO_C) (OPD)
READ:16-AUG-1995 12:29:25.95
CC: Jeremy D. Benami
(BENAMI_J) (OPD)
READ:16-AUG-1995 14:43:11.81
TEXT:
Here are a few things I am working on that I thought you might
want to be aware of before you go:
1. Peter Edelman called me because he wants to see the Department
of Education work more closely with HHS/NIH on some new research
on learning disabilities. Anne Ford has been pushing an
interagency committee, which Peter doesn't think is necessary, but
he does think that some of NIH's work on simple tests that
predict learning disabilities among preschool children would be
useful to Education. He feels like he got the brush-off from
Education. He said he had sent you some material on this as well.
I have talked to Education, they are open to a meeting, and it
looks to me like some kind of meeting might make sense. Let me
know if you have strong feelings one way or the other.
2. Marca Bristo tells me that a court has reinstated Ethel Briggs
as executive director of NCD, at least temporarily. She said
you'd be familiar with her.
3. I don't know if you know an activist/author named Don Fersh,
but he has been calling all around to the DPC trying to bring
attention to his claim that UCP discriminated against him in a
hiring decision two years ago, and has called for John Kemp's
resignation. (Judy Heumann just told me that Kemp did just
resign, to take a job at Very Special Arts, but not because of
this.) He has sent papers to DOJ and asked them to investigate.
After first suggesting that DOJ would vindicate him, he is now
accusing them of acting unprofessionally because they haven't
responded to him yet. I spoke to him once and listened politely,
and he went on and on. He has left me voice mails since then and
the interns in the Support Center have gotten several calls from
him.
4. I did a conference call yesterday with disability advocates on
the budget courtesy of Debbie Fine and Marilyn Yager, with another
one scheduled today. We also did a meeting with Washington-based
advocates last week, with Apfel and Jennings there too.
5. Marty Ford of the Arc left me a voice mail saying she is
interested in meeting with you, and with Paul Marchand, to review
various events of the past 6 months or so. She asked for
something this month; obviously I will call her back and say
that's not possible. But do you want me to schedule something for
you and them in September, or just meet with them myself?
6. Gary Blumenthal of the President's Committee on MR has a
request for time with the POTUS that I assume is impossible
logistically as well as generally extremely unlikely to be
granted. But I promised him I would bring it to your attention.
Secretary Shalala has sent you a note asking you to consider the
idea, so perhaps you have already responded in some way.
The request is for a Sept 8-11 meeting of their Academy, which has
representatives from III, MD, NC, MO, LA, WA, and ND, including
state legislators, budget directors, Governors' chiefs of staff,
and business leaders to discuss best practices and inclusion
issues. His selling points are: it's not the usual bunch of
experts talking to each other, but a state crowd; and JFK Jr. will
be sworn in at the meeting. I told him it is very very unlikely;
he is now working with Debbie Fine to see if he could get Mrs.
Gore.
RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (ALL-IN-1 MAIL)
CREATOR: Diana M. Fortuna (FORTUNA_D) (OPD)
CREATION DATE/TIME:10-DEC-1996 17:30:35.68
SUBJECT: Bob, did you tell me about JFK Jr's report
TO: Remote Addressee
([email protected]@INET@EOPMRX )
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TO: Remote Addressee
([email protected]@INET@EOPMRX)
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TEXT:
about encouraging front-line workers in the MR field to stay in
the field??? I seem to recall hearing this somewhere. He is
coming in as part of the pcmr board to meet (briefly) the
president tomorrow.
RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (EXTERNAL MAIL)
CREATOR: [email protected]@INET@EOPMRX
CREATION DATE/TIME:11-DEC-1996 15:04:00.00
SUBJECT: Re: Bob, did you tell me about JFK Jr's report
TO: FORTUNA_D
(FORTUNA_D@A1@CD) (OPD)
READ:11-DEC-1996 16:33:52.36
CC: Olivia Golden
([email protected]@INET@EOPMRX)
READ:NOT READ
CC: Gary Blumenthal
([email protected]@INET@EOPMRX )
READ:NOT READ
CC: Reginald Wells
([email protected]@INET@EOPMRX)
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CC: Gail Evans
([email protected]@INET@EOPMRX)
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TEXT:
Yep, I told you. Here is some background: John heads the Reaching Up
Foundation which provides scholarships, mentoring and other encouragement to
direct service workers in the MR/DD field in New York, principally from the
City I believe. He brought this interest with him when he joined PCMR.
Since that time the Committee has devoted a fair bit of time and effort
looking at how to foster a career ladder in the field and thus get at some
rather thorny and endemic problems like a high turn over rate, poverty level
wages and the abusive situations which can easily arise when staff feel
devalued, underpaid, etc.
Several initiatives, in fact, have come together. Val Bradley, the Vice
Chair of PCMR, is also the President of a research group called the Human
Services Research Institute. Under contract with Labor, HSRI has been
studying the essential skills individuals must have or develop in order for
them to provide quality direct services, which of course has helped surface
staff training, human development and career ladder opportunities. I also
had the chance to meet with John and some of his key advisors this spring.
Out of that meeting the Foundation, ADD and the HHS regional office in New
York sponsored a one day forum where we heard from frontline workers, people
with disabilities, families and others to get their perspectives on how to
improve the situation for both direct line folks and people with
developmental disabilities. In September, PCMR held a Next Generation
Leadership Conference for young leaders including self advocates and direct
service workers. Reaching Up and PCMR also have helped to organize a new
group called the National Alliance for Direct Service Workers, which will
bring together providers, professional groups, self advocacy and workers
themselves to problem solve around these common concerns.
Out of all this PCMR has issued: Opportunities for Excellence: Supporting
the Frontline Work Force. I believe this is what John will share and discuss
with the President tomorrow. I have not had the opportunity to review it in
depth. I believe though it is a good foundation on which to build.
I will also e mail you some thoughts from a paper I am putting together on
how a major portion of this might be advanced through the Welfare Reform
agenda. Hope this helps! Thanks!
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RECORD TYPE: PRESIDENTIAL (NOTES MAIL)
CREATOR: Michael A. O'Mary (CN=Michael A. O'Mary/OU=OPD/O=EOP OPD
CREATION DATE/TIME: 2-MAR-1998 17:48:02.00
SUBJECT: Re:
TO: Michael O'Mary <michael_omary (Michael O'Mary <michael_omary @ email.msn.com> UNKNOWN]
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FIRST LADY HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON
REMARKS FOR SCREENING OF THE &FROM THE EARTH TO THE MOON 8
THE WHITE HOUSE
MARCH 5, 1998
Thank you. I am honored to have this opportunity to welcome all of
you to the East Room of the White House. I would like to begin by thanking
everyone who has had a hand in making this evening possible. Tom Hanks,
whom I know not only dreamed up this remarkable series, but also produced,
wrote, directed and acted in some segments of it. I also want to thank HBO
and its Chairman, Jeff Buckus. HBO has been instrumental in bringing this
project to fruition, and it is through their network that millions of Ame
ricans will have the opportunity to relive a remarkable period in American
history. HBO will also be sending educational packets which complement
&From the Earth to the Moon 8 to over 40,000 schools nationwide. [Sens,
Govs, other vips and electeds, JFK, jr, still need to flesh this
out
]
Like many Americans of my generation, the space program captured
my imagination when I was still very young. After the Soviet Union
launched Sputnik and became the very first country to travel in space, I
remember President Eisenhower urging all of us schoolchildren to study
more math and science. A successful space program, he said, would require
many talented and visionary scientists, engineers, and mathematicians. I
took his, and later President Kennedy ,S words to heart, feeling that I
could play a part in preparing our country for space exploration and the
future.
And during the late 1950s and throughout the 1960s, the way to
rule the future was by getting our astronauts into space, into orbit, and
to the moon and back again before anyone else did. Failure was not an
option, because as the New York Times reminded us, were in a, &race for
survival. 8 Finishing anything but first, according to Speaker of the
House John McCormack, meant, &national extinction. 8
Today, the Cold War is over. Rather than simply getting our
astronauts into space, we have turned our attention to exploring what we
can get out of space. When President Kennedy first proposed that the
United States send a mission to the moon, the question that was asked by
his science advisor was, &Can we do this? 8 As we enter the 21st century,
the question that we will be asking ourselves is, & What can ,t we do? 8
The benefits of space exploration are endless. Today, NASA technology is
helping English twins, who were born with a rare birth defect, go outside
into the sun for the first time. Technology developed for use in the Space
Shuttle Program is helping to bring health care to people in remote areas
of the world. And NASA research is helping to build structures that can
better withstand vibrations like those that occur in earthquakes.
Tonight, we will be honoring a time in the not too distant past
when America came together to forge a common destiny and make possible
these remarkable discoveries. We will be remembering a remarkable group of
Americans who, through hard work and old-fashioned ingenuity managed to
launch men into space, send them to the moon, and bring them safely home
again. And I hope that as we remember the early days of space exploration,
we will thinking about those voyages that are still to come.
We caught a glimpse of one of those voyages this morning over in
the Roosevelt Room. NASA announced that Eileen Collins, who is here with
us tonight, we be the first woman to command a space shuttle mission.
Eileen is setting a shining example for the young people of this country
by going out and living her dreams through hard work and dedication. I
wish Eileen, and all future astonauts, the best of luck in their endeavors.
This afternoon, Eileen, Tom, and I visited XXX school here in the
District. We wanted to stress the importance [I need some guidance on
how to finish this
I would now like to introduce Jeff Buckus, Chairman of HBO. I ,ve
heard that Jeff and his wife had a baby last year, and between being a
good father and running HBO, Jeff hasn ,t had much time to get out lately.
The President and I are honored that Jeff chose to come to the White House
tonight to help us celebrate this remarkable series
[Jeff Buckus is also connected to our family in a rather
interesting way. He attended Yale College and then went on to Stanford
Business School....]
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
February 19, 1999
PRESIDENT CLINTON NAMES TEN MEMBERS TO THE PRESIDENT !,S COMMITTEE ON
MENTAL
RETARDATION
The President today announced his intent to appoint Valerie J. Bradley,
Joyce
A. Keller, John F. Kennedy, Jr., K. Charlie Lakin, T.J. Monroe, Elizabeth
C.
Pittinger, Michael L. Remus, Jacquelyn B. Victorian, Barbara Y. Wheeler,
and
Sheryl White-Scott as members of the President !,s Committee on Mental
Retardation (PCMR). Ms. Bradley will continue to serve in her capacity as
Chair.
Ms. Valerie J. Bradley, of Cambridge, Massachusetts, is President of Human
Services Research Institute (HSRI), a non-profit organization. She has
worked
in the field of mental retardation for over 25 years as a researcher,
policy
analyst, evaluator, advocate and author. As Chief Executive Officer of
HSRI,
Ms. Bradley is responsible for the general management of the organization,
quality control, employee recruitment, fiscal affairs, and public
relations.
Ms. Bradley has also directed a wide range of Federal grants and contracts
in
the areas of family support, quality assurance, and deinstitutionalization.
Ms. Bradley holds a B.A. from Occidental College and an M.A. from Rutgers
University.
Ms. Joyce A. Keller, of Southfield, Michigan, is the Executive Director of
JARC, a Jewish association for residential care for persons with
developmental
disabilities. Previously, she was a Special Services Director for
developmental disabilities for Adult Service Centers, Inc., of Detroit and
a
Special Education Teacher at the elementary and secondary level. Ms. Keller
holds a B.S. from the University of Michigan and an M.A. from the Graduate
School of Education at Harvard University.
Mr. John F. Kennedy, Jr., of New York City, New York, is the founder and
President of Reaching Up, a non-profit organization that supports the
higher
education and career development of direct care workers in the disability
field. Previously, he served for several years as an Assistant District
Attorney in Manhattan, and is a member of the Board of Directors of the
Robin
Hood Foundation, as well as an Associate Trustee of the Joseph P. Kennedy,
Jr.,
Foundation. Mr. Kennedy holds a B.A. from Brown University and a J.D.
from New
York University Law School.
Dr. Charlie Lakin, of Minneapolis, Minnesota, is the Director of the
Rehabilitation Research and Training Center on Community Living
Integration at
the University of Minnesota. He has been a Senior Research Associate at
the
University of Minnesota since 1980. He is a member of the American
Association
on Mental Retardation and the Association for Persons with Severe
Handicaps.
Dr. Lakin holds a Ph.D. from the University of Minnesota.
-more-
Mr. T.J. Monroe, of Cincinnati, Ohio, is one of two self-advocates
appointed
to the President's Committee on Mental Retardation. Mr. Monroe is a
nationally
recognized self-advocate and speaker. He also serves as a consultant to
self-advocacy agencies and the government on human rights policies while
also
advising others in self-advocacy organizing and development. He is also a
member of the American Association on Mental Retardation, the
Self-Advocates
Becoming Empowered Advisory Committee, and an advisor to the People First
of
Hamilton County.
Ms. Elizabeth C. Pittinger, of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, is an adjunct
faculty
member of Community College, Allegheny County and a consultant for civil
rights, mental retardation and police training. Ms. Pittinger serves as
the
legally appointed guardian of ten incapacitated people. She is a
Commissioner
with the City of Pittsburgh Commission on Human Relations. Ms. Pittinger
holds
a B.A. from Marywood College, an M.P.A. from Carnegie Mellon University,
and is
a graduate of the Pittsburgh Citizens Police Academy.
Mr. Michael L. Remus, of Lawrence, Kansas, is the Executive Director of
the
Arc of Tennessee, which advocates for the enhanced quality of life for
children
and adults with mental retardation and other disabilities through research,
advocacy and education. Mr. Remus was formerly the Director of Special
Education for the State of Kansas, is a lifelong advocate for persons with
disabilities, and is the father of two grown sons with disabilities. He
has
served as Adjunct Faculty at Wayne State College, teaching education
graduate
courses dealing with the integration of students with disabilities and
Introduction to Special and Secondary Education. He is immediate past
President of the Arc-US.
Ms. Jacquelyn B. Victorian, of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, is the Executive
Director of Independent Living, Inc., a community-based residential agency
that
provides supported living services to 50 individuals with developmental
disabilities and their families. She is a member of the Community and
Family
Support Task Force Committee on Supported Living, as well as the Louisiana
Governor's Ombudsman Task Force on Developmental Disabilities. Ms.
Victorian
holds a Masters degree in Social Work.
Dr. Barbara Y. Wheeler, of Los Angeles, California, is Associate
Professor of
Clinical Pediatrics at the University of Southern California School of
Medicine. She also serves as Director of Training in Nursing at the
University
Affiliated Program at Children's Hospital in Los Angeles, Project Director
of
the California Personal Assistance Services Project and the Self-Advocacy
Project and as an Evaluation Consultant to the Black Infant Health
Programs in
the California Department of Health Services. Dr. Wheeler holds a B.S.
from
the University of California at San Francisco, and an M.A. and Ph.D. from
the
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
Dr. Sheryl White-Scott, of New York City, New York, is the Director of
Adult
Health Services at the Westchester Institute for Human Development and an
Assistant Professor in the Department of Medicine at New York Medical
College.
She is a Diplomat to the American Board of Internal Medicine. She is also
a
member of the American College of Physicians and the American Association
on
Mental Retardation.
The Committee advises President Clinton and Health and Human Services
Secretary Donna Shalala on programs and services relating to persons with
mental retardation.
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17 July 1999
SPECIAL REPORT
JFK JR. MISSING, FEARED DEAD IN SMALL PLANE CRASH
A small plane piloted by John F. Kennedy Jr., son of the late President, is
missing. The aircraft departed at 8:30 p.m Friday night from Caldwell, New
Jersey, but failed to arrive at Martha's Vineyard, where Kennedy was to
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Crossfire
Aired July 19, 1999 - 7:30 p.m. ET
Remembering John F. Kennedy Jr.
BILL PRESS, CO-HOST: Tonight: remembering John F.
Kennedy Jr.
ANNOUNCER: Live from Washington, CROSSFIRE. On the left,
Bill
Press; on the right, Robert Novak. In the crossfire:
"Time" magazine
columnist Hugh Sidey. In New York, Mort Zuckerman,
publisher of "The
Daily News," and editor-in-chief of "U.S. News & World
Report." And in
Los Angeles, Jerry Nachman, former editor of "The New
York Post," and
former vice president of news for WCBS-TV.
ROBERT NOVAK, CO-HOST: Good evening. Welcome to
CROSSFIRE.
The first word is out from government authorities about
the crash into the
ocean of John F. Kennedy Jr.'s plane. Early this
evening, investigators
revealed radar data showing that the single-engine Piper
aircraft plunged
dramatically in its last 14 seconds before it entered
the sea, traveling at a rate
of 4,700 feet per minute. That's about 10 times the
prudent rate of descent
for a plane.
As the nation and much of the world mourned the death of
this private
citizen, his uncle, Senator Edward M. Kennedy issued a
written statement,
thanking the rescue teams who searched the ocean for
signs of life, and
expressing the family's grief over the death of John
Jr., his wife, and his
sister-in-law.
The senator said this of his nephew: "John was a shining
light in all our lives,
and in the lives of the nation and the world that first
came to know him when
he was a little boy."
We are talking tonight with three journalists who knew
John F. Kennedy as
a little boy and as a man. We shall seek to learn a
little more about him, and
perhaps why his sudden death has so stunned and saddened
his fellow
citizens -- Bill.
PRESS: Thanks, Bob.
Hugh Sidey, you were White House correspondent for
"Time" magazine
when President Kennedy was in the Oval Office and little
"John-John," as
we called him then, was often visible running around.
What are your
memories of those days and your encounters with the
young John F.
Kennedy Jr.?
HUGH SIDEY, COLUMNIST, "TIME" MAGAZINE: Well, it was --
that
was the part of the wonder of the White House. We were
all young, Bill. I
was young. The president was young. Jackie was young.
But those kids -- I
look back on it now and the very normalcy of it is
rather startling, because
that's a very difficult thing to rear children in that
environment. And there
have been some that haven't turned out too well, as you
well know, but
Jackie was determined to make it. And we didn't see them
that much, and
yet they were around the edges.
You would go through the corridors of the White House,
glimpse out a
window and there would be Caroline and "John-John"
playing with animals
-- remember the pony macaroni sort of thing. And
sometimes then with the
president he would be around, or he'd come in. And I
guess, the best thing
about him -- he was absolutely normal. I mean, he wasn't
a brat. He didn't
cry a lot. He didn't kick you in the shins, he didn't do
any of that. He was
just a nice little kid that wouldn't obey his father.
PRESS: Sounds normal to me.
SIDEY: That's right.
PRESS: Were you there -- the famous photo, in addition
to the salute on the
cathedral steps at the funeral, the most famous
photograph, I think, of little
"John John" is when he's peaking out from under his
father's desk.
SIDEY: Well, I saw him under the desk. I went -- he
didn't peek out when I
was there. And Stanley Trenic (ph), who took that
picture, by the way, has
just died on this day, which is a great irony.
But I remember going in one time and there were -- the
Oval Office under
John Kennedy was always in turmoil. There were people
going in and out,
and I was there for some reason to talk to him, and I
heard some giggling
and thumping under there, and Kennedy looked down and
the little boy ran
out.
PRESS: Do you feel that after his father was killed that
the nation kind of
adopted John F. Kennedy Jr.?
SIDEY: Sure.
PRESS: Is that sort of what's happening now, you know,
this loss that
everybody feels?
SIDEY: You know, that's pop psychology here, but sure, I
think that's right.
He was everybody's kid. He was like my kids. That's why
I liked it, except
he was in this utterly rarefied environment, and to
somehow travel through
that with the legend of money and power and glamour, was
really quite a
remarkable accomplishment. And to have these two little
ones there.
PRESS: Bob.
NOVAK: Mort Zuckerman, you -- how old was John Kennedy
Jr. when
you first met him, and how did you come to meet him?
MORT ZUCKERMAN, PUBLISHER, "THE DAILY NEWS": I met him
in New York when he was sort of a part of the New York
scene, and I
particularly spent a lot more time with him at the time
that he was beginning
"George" magazine. And as it happened, we both got
married within a few
days of each other. And I always teased him that he took
all the press
attention away so that the rest of us could get married
in a quieter
environment. And he was just the most regular guy.
I mean he -- as Hugh said, grew up in an environment of
such extraordinary
public attention and celebrity, and yet he was the most
accessible and decent
and easy-going person. He was an intelligent person and
just the most
decent person, and I think that came through. And it was
one of the things
that made him attractive to everybody. He was attractive
to men as well as
to women, to older people as well as to young people.
There was never any
attitude about him. He kept his privacy, and yet he was
open with
everybody.
And you know, the strange thing, the irony now is that
the longer this
moment of his death and the realization of his death
goes on, the sadder we
all feel. I think it is really a punch in the stomach to
everybody, and he is sure
going to be missed, because when you think of somebody
who had so much
of his life ahead of him, and it would have been a
wonderful life not just in
terms of his own enjoyment, but what he could have
contributed, it's just a
moment of extraordinary sadness.
NOVAK: Mort, I've known a lot of the Kennedys, including
President
Kennedy, fairly well, and some better than others. I
never met John F.
Kennedy Jr., but almost all the Kennedys I know, really
have a -- almost a
compulsion, an obsession for public service, feeling
that it was very
necessary for them to lead the nation, to lead the
world. Did you find that in
John Kennedy Jr.
ZUCKERMAN: No, I don't really think he had that kind of
driving ambition
or -- it's not that he didn't have a commitment to
public service. I think he
did, but I think he was going to live life on his own
terms, and if there's one
sort of measure of satisfaction that I think we can take
from his life it's that
he did lead it as he wanted to live it. I don't think he
was, in a sense, forced
or formed so much by the public pressures that were
naturally surrounding
him.
I think at some point he would have gone into a
different form of public
service than journalism, but I think journalism gave him
enough to have a
window into that world without having actually to be in
it full time, to have
the media intrude in his life even more so. So, I think
he was living his life on
his own terms. I think he was committed to public
service, but only in his
own fashion, only in his own time and only in his own
way.
PRESS: Jerry Nachman, let me ask you, John F. Kennedy
Jr., sort of
jokingly called himself the anti-celebrity. I mean, how
did he achieve that in
this bubble of publicity with cameras following him
everywhere he went, or
was he in fact that?
JERRY NACHMAN, FORMER EDITOR, "THE NEW YORK POST":
Well, I think what he did is, in a sense, he transcended
it. I got to know him
when I was editor of "The New York Post," and he was --
John had passed
the bar exam and be an assistant district attorney in
New York County. And
he would call from time to time to kind of negotiate
some kind of zone of
privacy.
He once asked me -- and he was never angry or willful.
It was almost a
rhetorical conversation several times, but he once said,
"Do you think it's
ever going to be possible for me to just go to work and
not have
photographers waiting for me?" And I said, "No, I don't
think that's going to
be possible."
What I find most remarkable, Bill, in the last couple of
days in watching all of
this coverage is how, in Morty's words, how remarkably
accessible he was.
Unlike his mother, he wasn't a recluse. And right around
the time that
"George" magazine came out, coincidentally around the
time that his mother
passed, he started showing up and doing these
interviews. I mean, he was
on this network, he was on Larry King, other cable and
broadcast
networks. He was on Imus' radio show. He was even on
Howard Stern's
radio show. So, in a way, he made almost a Faustian deal
with the press
saying, look, I know you're interested in me and I'll
parcel this out on my
own terms.
And it's interesting, because his late mother died the
ultimate and ungettable
guest, the guest that no talk show host or booker ever
successfully got to go
on radio or television. And at some point in his life he
just decided he's going
to meter this out and do a certain amount of it. And as
we all know, he was
incredibly effective at it. You could say irreverent
things to him and he would
kind of smile and shirk and let it all run off his back.
(CROSSTALK)
ZUCKERMAN: I have a wonderful little anecdote.
PRESS: Jerry.
NACHMAN: He did call me once to complain about a story
we and
everyone else did about one of his cousins. I think it
was one of Teddy's
kids who had gone back into rehab for a drug problem.
And it was a big
story for awhile, a kind of a gossip story. And he
called me and he said, let
me ask you a question. Do you think that -- do you think
that people should
go into drug rehabilitation? I said, well, yes, of
course they should. He said,
well, let me ask you this: Why would a celebrity go into
drug rehab if he or
she knows they're going to wind up in the gossip pages?
And after a conversation with my boss, Peter Calico, we
agreed that we
would never out somebody under normal circumstances who
went into drug
rehab
PRESS: All right
NACHMAN: And that was John. He was being selfless.
This was too
late to help his cousin. It had nothing to do with him.
He just thought it was
the right thing to do. It was nice. He was a good guy.
PRESS: All right, Jerry, let me ask Mort to comment -- I
know, Mort, you
wanted to make a point there. ZUCKERMAN: Well, He -- one
of the
"Daily News" reporters happened to be sitting behind him
and his wife when
they were on an airplane and they had a fight. And the
next thing you know,
it was in "The Daily News," and he wrote me a note and
said, you know, do
you really have to put in the normal sort of relations
of a husband and wife to
sort of spice up the pages of "The Daily News?"
And I didn't know quite how to respond to him. And I
finally wrote him
back, and I said, John, there's just no way that your
life is going to be able to
be as private as you would like. And we'll do our best
to deal with it within
reasonable bounds. And I had the letter hand-delivered
to him. And I was
very grateful because it turned out that that night we
all had dinner together
at a dinner, and I was sitting at his table. My wife was
sitting with his wife.
And we just barely got by the evening because he was
finally mollified by the
letter.
But he was faced with this prospect of having virtually
every detail of his life
in some way or another come out to the public. And I
think he handled it
absolutely magnificently.
And the wonderful thing about him is in a sense you
never had the sense of
bitterness or anger or frustration because of the
attention. He handled it with
a wonderful wry sense and a sense of humor and
perspective that really, I
think, endeared him to both the press and the public,
because we all sensed
that about him, that he was distant and yet accessible
and open.
NOVAK: Hugh Sidey, I want to ask you very difficult
question. You knew
President Kennedy very well. And, of course, John F.
Kennedy Jr. almost
disappeared from public view for many years until he was
a grown man after
the death of his father. How do you -- how could you
imagine if his father
was still alive he would have developed into a different
kind of person than
he was, raised by Jackie Kennedy instead of by his
mother and father?
SIDEY: Oh, I think, you know, who can say, Bob. You're
absolutely right.
It's a difficult question -- it's almost impossible. But
had there been John
Kennedy there and the constant exposure to the Kennedy
clan, I only have
to think that genetically he would have survived. He was
a competitor -- still
was, that's one of the reasons he died. He wanted to
venture, he wanted to
accomplish things. And I would think in that world that
he would have -- he
would have prospered.
But you know, what would have happened if John Kennedy
had lived, there
had been no Dallas? Boy, you're into a real thicket
there, Bob, because, as
you know, the Judith Exner came out two years after
Kennedy's death.
Would he have survived as president? Would there have
been a terrible
scandal about John Kennedy? What would his response have
been? We
can't really say.
But I'm fascinated by the two gentlemen and their
comments, because what
they're describing is normalcy, once again.
NOVAK: Right. SIDEY: We -- we pay great tribute to that
in this
environment, in which his -- his physical beauty,
really, and the money and
the power -- we have never had anybody really in this
country like this. And
he survived it. And that's his virtue. And he's
PRESS: All right
SIDEY: Yes.
PRESS: Gentlemen, we're just going to take a break here.
When we come back, ever since Saturday morning when we
first heard the
news of the accident, John F. Kennedy, his wife and
sister- in-law, the
media attention has been wall to wall. We'll ask our
three guests when we
come back, has it been too much?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PRESS: Welcome back to CROSSFIRE.
Once again tragedy has hit the Kennedy family, and
tonight, as the entire
nation grieves for the loss of John F. Kennedy Jr., his
wife, Carolyn, his
sister-in-law. Lauren Bessette, we explore the Kennedy
legacy with three
who knew him: In New York, publisher of "The New York
Daily News,"
Mort Zuckerman; in Los Angeles, former editor of "The
New York Post,"
Jerry Nachman; and here in Washington, veteran "Time"
correspondent,
Hugh Sidey. Bob Novak's also in L.A. -- Bob.
NOVAK: Mort Zuckerman, when this tragedy occurred you
ripped out the
"U.S. News" magazine, over two million copies at a cost
of several hundred
thousand dollars, to have a new cover with "The Kennedy
Curse," I believe,
on the cover. Do you believe -- can you -- how many
people who are great
figures in America, Nobel Prize winners, tremendous
actors -- how many
other people would you have done that for, except a
young man whose
career was really ahead of him?
ZUCKERMAN: Well, you know, he was a young man whose
career was
ahead of him, but he was also the son of a president who
had been
assassinated. You know, there's an old saying that in
war -- in peacetime
sons bury their fathers, and in wartime fathers bury
their sons. But this was
peacetime, and here was a man whom the entire country
knew and who was
really the object of enormous adulation.
And I think it was a story that affected everybody in
America. So you could
not, I think, as a news weekly be a responsible news
weekly and not cover
a story like this. I mean, it is affecting everybody in
this country who knows
about this story, and I frankly think it is the
obligation of the news media to
give as much information as they can, knowing always
that now you cannot
really do a story about the grief that their respective
families, the Bessette
family and the Kennedy family, must be feeling, but
everybody has a sense
of what it must be like to lose children.
And I don't think you could ever find a story that has a
broader sort of
resonance with the American public than this story.
NOVAK: Morty, I
wanted to ask you just briefly one question about
privacy. You knew John
Jr., and there was an incident where he and his wife,
Carolyn, were
overheard at an airplane arguing -- by one of your
reporters for "The Daily
News" seated behind him -- behind them. Was that fair
game to run that
story that they were quarreling?
ZUCKERMAN: You could certainly take argument with that,
but as you
know, they are such luminous figures, and he is such an
extraordinary figure
in American life that almost everything he does that is
within reach of the
press is going to make it into the press.
I have to tell you that I felt uncomfortable with it,
but since I don't censor
what our reporters do, I just read it. And I really do
and try and convey
some sense of boundaries, of taste and privacy. But with
somebody like
John Kennedy Jr., it was almost impossible to figure out
where those lines
where. He had to draw the lines. Whenever he was out in
public, he knew
that he was going to be in that fish bowl and he knew
that the press was
going to report on virtually everything he did.
If he fell Rollerblading, it made the front pages of the
newspapers. I mean,
he was just that transcendent a figure.
PRESS: Jerry Nachman, let me ask you, this nonstop media
coverage,
ourselves included: Justified or overkill?
NACHMAN: Well, thanks for putting that in, Bill, because
so frequently I'm
invited to be a guest on a program that is discussing
topic a and then asked
whether we're covering topic a too much. Here's my rule,
and I've run a
bunch of newsrooms -- radio, TV and newspapers. We cover
what people
are talking about in elevators and saloons. So to throw
the question back,
other than David Cone's no hitter yesterday, is there
anything else that
people are talking about in elevators and saloons?
And I want to do a quick defense of networks like this
one. I think people
forget that these network that are on all the time with
nothing but news, like
all news radio, have to deal with the folks who are
tuning in on their own
circadian rhythms. And -- so you have to repeat and you
have to do it more
than you want to do it, because if somebody just finds
out about it, as
people did over a summer weekend, and tune in, you can't
wait for a restart
at 6 o'clock or 11 o'clock at night.
So no, I don't think it's overkill. I think it's what
people are talking about
everywhere.
PRESS: Hugh, in terms of fascination for the Kennedy
family, in your column
in "Time" magazine this week, you say John Jr.'s death
will only heighten the
memories of the Kennedy years in the presidency. Is the
fascination with the
family sort of the loss of Camelot, this loss of
innocence? Is that what it is?
SIDEY: Actually no. It seems to me that Camelot has gone
on. See, I'm one
of the believers, Bill. I don't know. Perhaps you and
others have scoffed at it
or had doubts about it: Let me say that there was a
special time there. But
I'm one of those -- call it Camelot, call it whatever
you wish -- it was a
special moment in our national history.
You had these young people, the end of an era, the old
folks that had fought
the war and that were going on. You had a new quotient
of intelligence and
awareness that came into our public life then. And I
think there was a feeling
-- then you had the glamour, you had the fun of it.
This was one of the things about John Jr. and his
father. The thing -- if I had
to say something tonight about -- he enjoyed it. He
enjoyed this life. So
many of these people today, billionaires and stars seem
to have a miserable
time. He had great time. But Camelot
NOVAK: I think we'll have to leave it at this. Hugh
Sidey, thank you very
much. Jerry Nachman in Los Angeles, thank you, and Mort
Zuckerman in
New York, thanks a lot.
And Bill and I will be back with closing comments.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
PRESS: Yes, there is something special about Mary, so we
hired her. Don't
miss "CROSSFIRE" this Thursday for the debut of new co-
host Mary
Matalin. And in the crossfire on Mary's first night,
White House Press
Secretary Joe Lockhart. You won't want to miss that. You
won't want to
miss closing comments either. Bob Novak and I will be
right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
NOVAK: Bill, why do the American people feel such a
sense of loss about
a young man who most of them never even heard his voice,
didn't know
what he stood for? I think they feel a loss for a better
time of -- they
associate with his father and that's an indication that
maybe they don't think
this golden roaring years we're having right now of
roaring prosperity are so
very good.
PRESS: Well, maybe that. I think it's also a feeling for
the family, Bob. I
mean, I think it's like the parable of the talents. This
family has been given so
many talents but they have given so much back and yet it
seems they're just
rewarded with one tragedy after another.
I mean, it's sad. It's incomprehensible. And I think
Americans mourn and
feel that loss, and with the family's loss and their
own.
From the left, I'm Bill Press. Good-night for CROSSFIRE.
NOVAK: From the right, I'm Robert Novak. Join us again
next time for
another edition of CROSSFIRE.
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"JFK Jr.'s wife has beheld a greater grudge against the media than say
Princess Diana or Jacky O. She begged her husband to
make them stop
harrasing them and to let them live a normal life.
His brilliant mind started to approach the problem with
perfection. He
decided to fake their deaths. In order to do this he
needed help on the
inside of Washington. After contacting his uncle Ted,
John Jr. planned to
do it sometime in the summer of '99. The Kennedy family
was privately
informed sometime late last week and prepared to be
very optimistic
when the media blitz broke out.
Ted Kennedy arranged with his internal contacts for the
search to be set
exactly where the debris was planted. The perfect
conspiracy is being
played out before our eyes. Its only gain is to
solidify the relationship
between a dogged man and his wife. "
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CNN Late Edition PrimeTime
Aired July 20, 1999 - 8:00 p.m. ET
Search Continues for Wreckage of John F. Kennedy Jr.'s
Plane; Friends Remember JFK Jr.
WOLF BLITZER, HOST: This is LATE EDITION PRIMETIME.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES:
They are very strong people, and I think they're
carrying on as well as any
human beings could, but they need the support and
prayers of our country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: The Kennedy family works through a sadly
familiar process as
people around the world grieve with them. We'll get the
perspectives of
those who knew John Kennedy Jr., including Congressman
Jesse Jackson
Jr. And while the crash revives some bad memories, a
July 20th anniversary
brings back some happy ones.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NEIL ARMSTRONG, APOLLO 11 COMMANDER: It's one small step
for man; one giant leap for mankind.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: As America remembers a triumphant moment for
the U.S. space
program, questions remain about whether NASA will ever
have such a
bright moment again. We'll talk to John Glenn, one of
NASA's greatest
heroes -- past and present -- about the direction of the
U.S. space program.
Plus CNN's senior analyst Jeff Greenfield, and from
Hyannisport, CNN
correspondent Chris Black. And Bruce Morton has the
"Last Word" on
reviving America's appetite for space exploration.
ANNOUNCER: Live from Washington, this is LATE EDITION
PRIMETIME, with Wolf Blitzer.
BLITZER: It's 8:00 p.m. in Washington, and Hyannisport,
Massachusetts;
5:00 p.m. in Los Angeles; and 9:00 a.m. Wednesday in
Tokyo. Wherever
you're watching from around the world, thanks for
joining us for LATE
EDITION PRIMETIME.
We'll get to our guests shortly, but first, let's check
in with CNN reporters
covering our top story.
We begin in Massachusetts, where divers returned to the
waters along
Martha's Vineyard today, searching for wreckage from the
plane crash that
killed John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife, Carolyn Bessette
Kennedy, and
sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette. We now get the latest on
the investigation
and recovery efforts. CNN's Carl Rochelle is at the
command center at Otis
Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts -- Carl.
CARL ROCHELLE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, the divers spent
the day looking at what they believe was the most
potential target that they
have found so far: in fact, had had so much potential,
the Coast Guard said,
that they shifted the assets in to concentrate on this
one area, trying to
recover at least some pieces of the aircraft, but they
were hampered by cold
water, by pushing tides and by visibility only six to
eight feet at the very best,
and came up at the end of the daylight era with nothing
so far from any part
of that airline anywhere in there.
They say they may continue some diving tonight -- that's
the call of the
commander on scene -- but not likely because when the
dark hits, the
visibility will go completely to zero. They still
believe that this is a proper
area to try in, and they will continue to search for
debris from the aircraft in
that area.
We have heard about reports of wheels being found, of
debris from the
aircraft from various and sundry things, but none of
that, we are told, came
from the water. All of it is stuff, debris, that has
floated up.
We also learned something more about the last minutes of
the aircraft today.
The National Transportation Safety Board continuing to
look at radar data.
And I must caution you: There is still more radar data
yet to be looked at.
But what they are telling us today is that the plane was
at 5,600 feet roughly
30 miles from the Martha's Vineyard airport. It began a
descent, roughly
700 feet a minute, absolutely normal: 160 knots. That's
a normal cruise
speed for that particular operation. It descended down
to 2,300 feet and
then began to gain altitude back to 2,600 feet and a
turn to the right. It rolled
left, back toward Martha's Vineyard again, and then
rolled right and over
and disappeared down out of site.
It is characteristic, Wolf, of what is known in the
aviation industry as a
stall-spin syndrome. That maybe what happened to the
plane. The plane
goes out of control and gets in a rotation.
A little explanation: when we talk about stall, it's not
talking about an engine
stalling. It is the wings of the aircraft that are
stalling and not getting lift. And
in a spin, one wing has lift; the other doesn't. The
airplane is being driven
around and around. And with the engine running, it would
go down very fast.
The final descent rate, we were told yesterday, 4,700
feet per minute, Wolf.
Today, we are told 5,000 feet per minute on the way
down: very rapid
descent to the surface of the water, Wolf.
BLITZER: OK, Carl Rochelle, monitoring the investigation
up in
Massachusetts. Thanks for joining us.
Meanwhile, the Kennedy family is closing ranks as it
copes with yet another
terrible loss. CNN's Chris Black is at the Kennedy home
in Hyannisport --
Chris.
CHRIS BLACK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, today an old
friend of
Senator Ted Kennedy said that family members can never
achieve closure of
the heart, because John Kennedy Jr., his wife, Carolyn,
and her sister
Lauren died too young. But the search for closure has
begun.
The American flag that flies in front of Senator Ted
Kennedy's home here at
the Kennedy family compound has been lowered to half-
staff. And other
neighbors in this small, exquisite part of Hyannisport
have followed suit.
But the family is also in a weird sort of limbo. They
cannot hold a funeral
service without remains. The Coast Guard continues to
tell the family that
they are very optimistic that they will find the remains
of the three young
people. Therefore, the family is reluctant to proceed
with a memorial service,
because they want to spare everyone two emotionally
grueling rituals if they
can.
But friends also say that extensive planning has already
taken place for both
a memorial service and/or a funeral, and they're down to
writing -- the
writing of the eulogies and that the family is ready to
proceed at any point.
Senator Ted Kennedy and his niece, Caroline Kennedy
Schlossberg, met
yesterday and discussed the -- how the family should
proceed. Family
members and associates say that they are the key
decision- makers in what
will happen next.
If a decision is made to hold a memorial service, family
friends say it will
likely be held in New York City, where John and Carolyn
Kennedy lived
and worked.
A burial site is still, however, undecided. The family
has told the White
House that they do not want to request a waiver to bury
John Kennedy Jr.
with with his parents at Arlington National Cemetery.
They say that both
families want John and Carolyn to be buried together --
Wolf.
BLITZER: OK, Chris Black, reporting from Hyannisport.
Chris will be back
later in the program with CNN senior analyst Jeff
Greenfield.
While John Kennedy Jr. is being mourned around the world
by those who
never knew him personally, his death is especially
painful for those who did.
Joining me now with their perspectives are three guests.
In Las Vegas,
Charlie King, a New York attorney and friend of John
Kennedy Jr.; in
Nashville, John Seigenthaler. He worked with Robert
Kennedy when he
was attorney general and is a longtime friend of the
Kennedy family. He's
also the former publisher of "The Nashville, Tennessean"
newspaper. And
here in Washington, Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr., who
was a friend of
John Kennedy Jr.'s since the two met at the 1988
Democratic convention.
Welcome to all of you to LATE EDITION PRIMETIME.
Charlie King, let me begin with you. You went to BROWN
UNIVERSITY
with John Kennedy Jr. You went to NYU, New York
University Law
School, with him. You're a lawyer. You've been active in
Democratic Party
politics all these years. If -- if -- if -- and I know
this is a hard question for
you to try to answer, but if John Kennedy Jr. were
watching what's going on
right now -- the aftermath, the grief, this outpouring
-- what would he say?
CHARLIE KING, FRIEND OF JOHN F. KENNEDY JR.: Well, that
is a
difficult question to answer. I think that one of the
things that he would say is
that he would wish that people -- he'd be thankful that
people cared so
deeply, but he wished that people would not make such a
big deal out of his
passing.
John was a remarkable individual in that he was just a
regular guy who cared
very deeply about his privacy, and he was incredibly
kind to both his friends
and to people that he came across in his work and in his
charitable work. So
I think that he would be very moved by the outpouring of
grief, but I think
that he would -- his wish would be that for all of us to
remember him
privately and to move on.
BLITZER: OK, Congressman Jackson, you met him at the
Democratic
convention. You also are the son of a prominent
politician. You got to know
him a little bit. How did he handle what -- what he
obviously had to handle,
being the son of President Kennedy? How did he manage to
deal with that in
his own way?
REP. JESSE JACKSON JR. (D), ILLINOIS: I think he
recognized that to
whom much is given, much is required. John recognized
that he had
tremendous advantages in his life, being the son of a
president, but also being
extremely handsome, extremely articulate, extremely
bright and very
qualified to do whatever he chose to do. But what was so
unique about John
was that he took his celebrity and tried to shine light
in very dark places.
He used his celebrity to advance the cause of cancer
research, to advance
the cause of young students who had been left behind.
And so we saw
something magnificent in John. While others were
pursuing John for
paparazzi purposes, he had a unique control of the
situation at all times.
BLITZER: John Seigenthaler, when you look at this
situation, having known
the Kennedys for all these years, watched John Kennedy
grow up, how
does the Kennedy family learn to cope with all of these
tragedies? I know
you were invited to the wedding that had been scheduled
for Saturday. Of
course, that was indefinitely postponed - -- Rory
Kennedy's wedding - the
youngest child of Robert Kennedy.
JOHN SEIGENTHALER, FRIEND OF KENNEDY FAMILY: Well,
Wolf, I think that that wedding sort of magnifies the
tragedy. What was
expected to be a wonderful, happy day for Rory Kennedy
turned out to be
a day of tragedy and pain.
You know, I think that, first of all, there are bonds
with this family. They
reach out to each other. They find strength in each
other. And they lean on
each other in ways that make it possible for them to
survive what would be a
devastating, unbearable blow to many others.
Secondly, I think there is clearly a reliance on their
religious faith that helps
them.
And, finally, I think that there is a sense that John
Kennedy was sort of a
child of us all, a child of the nation. And while this
saturation, I'm sure, is
painful to endure, on the other hand, it is a sort of
national grieving, and I
suspect that there is an ability on their part to
realize that the rest of us are
reaching out to them and that in the knowledge and
strength of that, there is
also help in sustaining them through this terrible
ordeal.
BLITZER: Charlie King, you knew him at Brown University,
at NYU. You,
after you became a lawyer in New York, you got involved
in politics, in
Democratic Party politics. Listen to what John Kennedy
Jr. told the
Democratic convention in 1988 in Atlanta. I want to get
your reaction.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP, 1995)
JOHN F. KENNEDY JR., "GEORGE": A public career is --
it's a lot to
bite off, and you better be ready for it and you better
have your life set up
for it.
The old definition of politics was that you bring it in
at the end of your life
when you really have something to sort of offer. Maybe
that's a good thing
for me.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: Well, actually, that was a comment he made more
recently on
"LARRY KING LIVE" in 1995.
But why do you believe he avoided getting directly
involved in politics? And
do you think that, if he had lived, he may have gotten
directly involved in
politics?
KING: Well, at this point, I guess we'll never know. I
think that one of the
reasons why he was reluctant to dive headfirst into
politics is that John was
always careful to avoid the ugliness of things, and
while he was very much
committed to helping and improving the lives of others,
he really had a
distaste for the ugliness of politics, just sort of the
personal back and forth
that really didn't really deal with the issues but --
and didn't really seem to
further any common objective for the common good. And I
think that that
really was one of the reasons why he was reluctant to
get so involved.
I know that he was deeply committed to improving the
lives of others, but he
felt that there were other avenues that he could pursue
while keeping the
option open of going into politics eventually, but where
his voice could be
heard and he could improve the lives of others. BLITZER:
All right, I know
-- we have to take a quick commercial break. But
Congressman Jackson,
Senator Robert Torricelli, who runs the effort to get
Democrats elected to
the Senate, he said today that late last year, he twice
approached John
Kennedy to run for that New York Senate seat being
vacated by Daniel
Patrick Moynihan that the first lady is apparently going
to be running for, and
he twice declined. Were you surprised by that?
JACKSON: No, I'm not. I've shared on many occasions that
we inherit our
father's friends and our family's enemies, neither of
which we have earned,
and so we have to work twice as hard to earn our
father's friends and our
family's friends, and to move enemies into the detractor
column and then
ultimately make them friends.
And so the ultimate challenge there, Wolf, is that John
Kennedy had an
obligation, as all of us do with these great service
names, to establish a
premise. I thought he was doing that through "George"
magazine, showing
that he understood liberal issues and conservative
issues. He understood the
Democratic Party, the Republican Party. He was working
toward a better
understanding so that he might establish a national
premise that people might
appreciate that John Kennedy Jr. was a serious thinker.
BLITZER: OK, we have to take a quick break. Charlie
King, John
Seigenthaler and Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. will
share more reflections
on John Kennedy Jr. when LATE EDITION PRIMETIME returns.
Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: We're continuing our conversation with three
individuals who
knew John Kennedy Jr. We're joined by Jesse Jackson Jr.
here in
Washington; a congressman from Las Vegas, Charlie King
joins us, a friend
of John Kennedy Jr.; and John Seigenthaler, a close
family friend of the
Kennedy family, who is the former publisher of "The
Tennessean," "The
National Tennessean."
John Seigenthaler, as you see this outpouring that's
been going on:
individuals, people stopping in front of the apartment
building in New York
City, in the TriBeCa section, where John Kennedy and
Caroline Bessette
Kennedy lived, just stopping leaving flowers, people who
didn't know them;
it's a lot different, to a certain degree, than the
reaction after President
Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, but there also are
some similarities for
the nation as a whole.
What goes through your mind?
SEIGENTHALER: Well, I think, again, Wolf, that this
country thought it
knew John Kennedy. You know, he was born as President
Kennedy took
office and we saw that, and then at almost every step in
his life, every
meaningful event: the death of his father, the salute
with the flag, every point
of his education, his marriage, you know, we understood
who he was. We
watched him laugh at himself on television. We watched
those many
interviews we had. We watched him create "George"
magazine. And
because he came from a famous family and was a
celebrity, we identified
with him. And even though people did not know him
personally, they came
to feel that they knew him personally.
Today and yesterday, I have heard people never saw him
quote his words
as they had seen them when he was interviewed by, well,
Larry King or one
of the other television commentators or anchors, and I
think that the
relationship with him, because he was intelligent,
because he was witty,
because he had that unique ability, that remarkable
Kennedy
self-deprecating humor, I think people really related to
him, and I feel deeply
that that's why this outpouring is surprising to those
of us who didn't
understand the links he had. But when you think about
how we've known
him, it's quite understandable.
BLITZER: Charlie King, you live in New York City; he
lived in New York
City, became almost the son of New York City, and so
many are saying he
was almost -- he was always trying to be a regular guy:
walking around to
the grocery stores, taking subways. He could have done
it a lot differently
with limos. Obviously he had the wealth.
How do you explain that effort, that conscientious
effort on his part to
become a regular resident of New York City?
KING: I can't explain it, except to say that it just
goes to John's character.
But you're absolutely right, Wolf: there were so many
different cause he
could have handled all of the commotion around him, and
he chose to live as
normal a life as he possibly could. He really just
wanted to blend in. He was
remarkable in that sense that he just, notwithstanding
the fact that so many
people made such a fuss about him, that really all he
wanted to do was to
live his life and to contribute.
BLITZER: You know Congressman Jackson, you're of the
generation of
John Kennedy Jr., your father of the generation of his
father, President
Kennedy, but for your generation, this death of John
Kennedy Jr. -- what
does it mean to you now? What will it mean for your
generation?
JACKSON: I think it has tremendous implications for us.
We don't just
celebrate the life of John Kennedy, we also celebrate
the life of a single
mother who raised an outstanding young man. And while
I've watched the
coverage of this particular tragedy -- this unfortunate
tragedy, we've not
given, I think, the appropriate credit to Jacqueline
Kennedy Onassis, for the
outstanding job that she did as a single parent raising
two outstanding
children. Mrs. Jackson is primarily responsible for
raising the children of
Jesse and Jackie.
This is a critical factor, I think, in this, and as we
go forward I suspect more
and more will begin to cover the outstanding work that
Mrs. Kennedy did to
contribute to the outstanding young man that many of us
are missing at this
hour.
BLITZER: John Seigenthaler, you were -- you ran "The
Nashville
Tennessean" for so many years. Look at the magazine,
"George," the
achievement of John Kennedy Jr.; what do you think
happens to that
magazine now that he's gone? SEIGENTHALER: Well, I don't
know. I
hope for a great success. I think it would be a
marvelous tribute to him if his
colleagues and his supporters really join in making it
as viable as a weekly
can possibly can be.
I -- you know, Wolf, I think that he saw in that
magazine a link between
himself and politics. The blood of the Kennedys is --
runs with politics and I
think that it was in his blood and it gave him an
opportunity -- the magazine
did -- to relate to politicians as the congressman said:
Democrats,
Republicans, independents. You read those interviews he
had and he
conducted, and you're fascinated, not only by what the
politicians said, but
the way his mind worked in framing questions. And for
all the reasons that
the magazine was meaningful for him, and -- I think that
it'll be even more
popular after him.
BLITZER: OK, John Seigenthaler, Charlie King,
Congressman Jackson, it
was kind of all of you to share some thoughts on these
very sad days with us
on LATE EDITION PRIMETIME. Thank you so much for joining
us.
KING: Thank you Wolf.
SEIGENTHALER: Thanks Wolf.
BLITZER: And when we return: while John Kennedy Jr.'s
death is evoking
sad memories from the 1960s, the country is also marking
a happier time
from that era. Thirty years ago today man landed on the
moon. We'll talk
about that milestone, as well as the future of America's
space program, with
one of its pioneers: former astronaut and Senator John
Glenn. LATE
EDITION PRIMETIME will be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: On this day in 1969, NASA's Apollo 11
spacecraft and its
three-man crew (sic) landed on the moon. It was a
stunning achievement for
the United States and space exploration. Today, NASA
marked the
anniversary with a special ceremony. It also hoped to
achieve another
milestone, but that did not happen.
CNN's Miles O'Brien is at the Kennedy Space Center in
Florida with details
-- Miles.
MILES O'BRIEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good evening, Wolf.
Thirty years ago at this moment, Neil Armstrong and Buzz
Aldrin were on
the surface of the moon struggling inside the lunar
module, inside a space
about the size of two telephone booths, to get into
their bulky 180- pound
moon walking suits. They would begin their moon walk a
little before 11:00
Eastern Time, when Neil Armstrong issue his famous "one
small step" line.
That's what would happen 30 years ago; today Aldrin and
Armstrong were
joined by the man who circled above them during their
stay on the moon:
command module pilot Michael Collins. They were at the
Smithsonian's Air
& Space Museum, with the charred module they called
Columbia as a
backdrop, they received the Smithsonian's highest award:
the Langley
medal, given by Vice President Gore.
Now a little bit later they took questions from students
at an event televised
from the Freedom Forum's Newseum in Arlington, Virginia.
They were
asked at that time if they ever got scared.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARMSTRONG: With that much equipment, there are always
some things
that go wrong, but it really wasn't the equipment that
we were worried
about, I think at least in my own case. We were more
concerned that we
might somehow make a mistake that would not allow the
flight to continue.
And so if there was a worry, it was with ourselves.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
O'BRIEN: Meanwhile, some news of another space ship
Columbia. Let's
take a look at some live pictures from NASA television.
This is launch pad
39-B at the Kennedy Space Center, the shuttle Columbia
there. NASA
would prefer it would be in space; it remains on the
pad. The ground crew
busy trying to get it ready for launch just after
midnight Eastern Time
tomorrow night -- actually Thursday morning, if you want
to be precise.
The agency had hoped to launch the shuttle just after
midnight this morning,
but with seven seconds left on the countdown clock the
launch aborted after
a balky sensor mistakenly told the controllers of the
buildup of hydrogen gas
beneath the shuttle's main engines, thus causing the
cutoff.
It's a history-making mission: it's led by NASA's first
female commander,
Air Force Colonel Eileen Collins, the first female to
command a NASA
space mission.
On another front, a not so happy landing remembered
today. The capsule
piloted by "Gus" Grissom in 1961 -- the Mercury capsule
was recovered at
the bottom of the Atlantic about 90 miles off the coast
from the Bahamas. It
is headed in this direction, and it will ultimately be
headed toward a museum
in Kansas. That capsule sunk right after a splash down
nearly drowning Gus
Grissom. And it will be, as we said, part of a museum
exhibit in the future.
Kind of a busy day in space, Wolf.
BLITZER: A busy day for you very much, Miles O'Brien.
Thanks for joining
us.
Joining me now to talk about the past, present and
future of the U.S. space
program is a man who's been a part of it from its
earliest days. John Glenn
was the first U.S. astronaut to successfully orbit the
Earth in 1962. He made
history again last October 29th, as Miles was just
talking about, when he
became the oldest astronaut in space as a crew member of
the Discovery
shuttle. John Glenn also served as the Democratic
senator from Ohio from
1975 until his retirement last year.
Senator Glenn, welcome back to LATE EDITION.
FORMER SEN. JOHN GLENN (D-OH), FORMER ASTRONAUT:
Thank you.
BLITZER: The emotions that you must have on this 30th
anniversary of man
walking on the moon -- what was going through your mind
30 years ago
today?
GLENN: Oh, 30 years ago today, I was in the control
center in the
observation area watching that landing on the moon. I
was just as excited as
everyone else.
The whole space program has been a progression of one
step, each flight
building on the steps before. And when President Kennedy
set that goal that
was a big order, and NASA went to work and put together
that whole
Apollo team, and it came through ahead of schedule, as a
matter of fact.
BLITZER: Were you nervous on that day that something,
God forbid, could
happen?
GLENN: Yes. Anybody that wasn't nervous that day was
numb, I'll tell you,
because there were so many -- as Neil said just a moment
ago on that when
he was over at Freedom Forum earlier today -- you know,
was he nervous?
He was nervous about what might happen to himself, and
there were a
million parts of things that could go wrong. Now,
everybody had taken
every precaution they knew how to take. It was the best
technology we
knew at that time, but, was there a chance something
could go wrong? -- of
course -- on any flight like that, so everybody was
nervous, I think.
BLITZER: When you look back on it now, knowing what you
know today
and knowing the extent of the technology 30 years ago,
you probably had
some pretty good reason to be nervous?
GLENN: Well, you did, but you know, the -- you -- one of
the things about
NASA -- think of this, we've gone now for, what, 40
years with manned
flights and had one fatal accident in space, that's --
in dealing with speeds
and complexities like mankind has never dealt with
before; that's an
amazingly good safety record.
BLITZER: The -- Senator Glenn, I'm told we have to take
a quick
commercial break. We have a lot more to talk about:
space, a lot of other
things straight ahead. Also, your phone calls for
Senator Glenn. LATE
EDITION PRIMETIME will be right back.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: Welcome back to LATE EDITION PRIMETIME.
We're continuing our conversation with astronaut and
former senator John
Glenn. There's an article today on the op-ed page of the
"Wall Street
Journal" by Homer Hickam. He writes this -- he's a
retired NASA engineer.
He says: "It's a sad irony that just when our wealth and
technological skills
could make space flight relatively easy, neither the
American people nor our
leaders seem either intellectually or morally prepared
to take up the
challenge." He's obviously disappointed that more is not
being done.
GLENN: Well, I think anytime you've had a program like
this, you'd like to
see more being done. But I think we've done pretty well
and I think the
direction we're headed with the international space
station is the most
productive way to go. We have 16 nations involved now in
this one project,
all working together, including the former Soviet Union,
now Russia.
And I think that's the way we should be going, and I
think, at the same time,
we want to send out probes to Mars and other places in
our solar system
and learn more about it. And we can build on that and
eventually people will
go on out to some of these other places. But I think to
-- we have a -- you
know, we always have other needs, of course, for money,
but I think one
thing we've always found throughout the history of our
country is that money
spent on research seems to come back in ways that are
very beneficial later
on. And I think that's the case now, and I think the
money spent on the
space station will prove to be very valuable; we'll be
able to do longer term
research than we can just with the two week duration
with the shuttle up
there now.
BLITZER: I'm told that you've been briefed on some of
the preliminary
results -- the scientific studies that were done in
connection with your recent
visit in space when you went back at your age. What are
you being told?
What has NASA learned from sending someone your age to
space?
GLENN: Well, we'll know more about that when they have
the final results
in, in October. I've only had a very, very sketchy
preliminary briefing. It
wasn't a complete briefing at all.
And some of the analysis of the things that we did on
that flight are still being
analyzed right now: muscle system changes, for instance,
that require long
laboratory time to analyze results from all the blood
samples and urine
samples that we gave up there -- I gave at that time.
And, you know, there
are an amazing numbers of things that are similar to the
natural aging process
here on earth, that happened to the younger astronauts
up there. And those
are the thing that we were looking into.
BLITZER: The -- some of the results are -- our Miles
O'Brien, someone
you know, he tells me that some of the preliminary
results suggest that as far
as the aging process is concerned, you're going there as
opposed to younger
astronauts, there weren't a whole lot of differences
that were detected, some
say in part, because of the excellent shape that you
happen to be in.
GLENN: Well, I don't know that I'm that in excellent --
I wish I was in as
excellent shape as everybody seems to think I'm in.
BLITZER: When I'm your age I'd like to be half of your
good shape.
GLENN: My health was good, and I was able to pass all
the physicals. So,
I'm in reasonable shape. And I'm looking forward to
getting all the reports
back too, and finding out, because on that will hinge a
lot on whether NASA
decides to send more people of my age bracket up there,
which I think can
be productive. We're looking for things that will make
it better for the
younger astronauts to have longer term space flight;
that may be key to going
out to Mars. And also, looking for things that will turn
the body's systems on
and off, that take away some of the frailties of old age
right here on earth.
And that's what we're about. So, I'm looking forward to
getting the final
report sometime in October, too.
BLITZER: You know, Eileen Collins was ready to make
space history last
night: the first commander of a space mission, the
Columbia mission, and
unfortunately, had to be postponed until Thursday. NASA
has changed a lot
since your days. It's not simply a boy's club anymore.
GLENN: No, I think they're -- I think it's like 22
percent of the whole
astronaut corps now, which is, I think is somewhere
around 130 something
people at this -- right now. And I think it's 20 percent
are women, and
NASA is judging these things on whose qualified, and
gender shouldn't
determine it. If there are women qualified to be a
commander in space, well,
so be it.
BLITZER: All right. Let's switch gears a little bit. I
know that you've been
very close to the Kennedy family for many, many years.
In 1968, when
Bobby Kennedy was assassinated, Ethel Kennedy, his
widow, asked you to
console some of the children. You've known the pain, the
agony of this
family. Now to relive it once again these past few days,
for you must have
been an incredibly difficult ordeal?
GLENN: Well, it was. Back in those days when Bob was
killed, Ethel
asked Annie and me to bring the five of the children out
there -- we brought
them back to Hickory Hill the next day, and then were
there that night, and
that was the night Bobby died and along with Suzie
(ph) Markham, who
was the neighbor there. We had to tell the kids about
his death that next
morning, and that was one of the -- probably the
toughest thing I've ever
done in my life. So, we have had that background.
But, you know, this -- they're -- the family has had
more than their share of
grief. There's no doubt. I think everyone would agree
with that. But they
cope with it. They have strong religious faith. They
band together. It's like
anyone. You probably have had deaths in the family. We
have too.
Everyone goes through this. It's just a shame that
they've had to endure this
more than any other family -- a continual drum beat
almost of things
happening like this.
BLITZER: And the nation grieves with them an inordinate
amount. All right.
Let's take a caller from your home state of Ohio, Mount
Vernon Ohio.
Please go ahead with your question for Senator Glenn.
CALLER: Good evening, Senator Glenn.
My question to you is: How do we inspire the next
generation? I'm in my
mid-30s already and basically been looking at NASA for
all my life, and just
seeing the wonderful opportunities of what space venture
is would do for
our generation. But obviously that has -- looks like
it's going to pass us by.
But how do we keep the current and next generations into
outer space and
outer space travel?
GLENN: Well, I think that -- I'm looking forward to the
international space
station. You know we've had we can only do
experiments and research
up there that's about two weeks in length. We were up
nine days on the
flight I was on last fall. But we had the most
research-rich flight I think
NASA has ever sent up. We had 83 research projects on
that one flight. So,
we were very busy the whole time up there. And those
results of that are
being analyzed and will be made available sometime in
the future also. So,
we've had all of that.
Now we're going into the international space station
where we can do things
on a lot longer term basis. And I think that's going to
be exciting. And I think
the way you stir people's excitement about this is, if
you have results coming
back that, say are something that helps in the cure for
cancer or AIDS or
something like that, because the new pharmaceuticals can
be developed up
there, or something like that. That is exciting.
And too much, I think, the public relies on new firsts,
first events, first flight
up, first orbital flight, first flight around the moon,
and then the intervening
flights where we're really making the most of our
information and research
gathering capability that may be more productive than
the first flight, gets
very little attention.
So we tend to be oriented and Americans are used to a
lot of new things
here, and we get used to this very rapidly. But I think
when these valuable
things come back, that I think are just around the
corner in this research, I
think everybody'll see the value of it.
BLITZER: Senator Glenn, that's -- always great to have
you on LATE
EDITION. Thanks for joining us, and sorry you're not in
the Senate
anymore, but we'll still have you back here.
GLENN: Well, I miss the Senate some too, but I'm, you
know, on to other
things. That's it. Thank you, Wolf.
BLITZER: Senator Glenn always good to have you here,
especially on this
30th anniversary.
GLENN: Thank you.
BLITZER: And just ahead: Americans are gathering around
their televisions
once again following another Kennedy tragedy.
Thirty-nine years ago the
country mourned the death of president John F. Kennedy;
now there's
public grief for the death of his son, John F. Kennedy
Jr. We'll get some
perspective on America's attachment to the Kennedy's
from CNN senior
analyst Jeff Greenfield and CNN's Chris Black.
LATE EDITION PRIMETIME will be right back.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BLITZER: You're looking at live picture of the makeshift
memorial outside
the New York apartment building where John F. Kennedy
Jr. lived with his
wife, Carolyn. Visitors and mourners have been streaming
to the site for the
past few days.
Welcome back to LATE EDITION PRIMETIME.
Joining me now are two people who can provide some
insight on the
outpouring of grief over this latest Kennedy tragedy. In
New York is CNN's
senior analyst Jeff Greenfield, and joining us again
from the Kennedy family
home in Hyannisport, Massachusetts is CNN's Chris Black.
Jeff, talk to us a little bit about the reaction of the
country to the death of
President Kennedy in 1963. Compare it to the reaction
that we're seeing in
these most recent days.
JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: Well, to be
unsentimental, some of what you're seeing is the, kind
of, natural curiosity
and fascination that happens when a famous person dies
before his or her
time. Some of it's media-driven. Some of it's, you know,
kind of a
thrill-seeking thing. But there's something in this
case, I think, much more
than that.
And that -- I think you have to put the whole Kennedy
mystique into the
political framework. When John Kennedy was killed, that
was three months
after this big interracial peaceful march on Washington,
and the thought was
around that maybe we were going to come to grips with
this American
dilemma. It was less than -- it was a year after the
Cuban Missile Crisis that
brought us to the brink of war, and now, in 1963, the
Senate was ratified a
nuclear test ban treaty, and the sense of the
possibility of peace was around.
Now, within a year after John Kennedy was killed, the
first urban race riot
had broken out, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident had set
America toward an
escalation of the war in Vietnam. And within a few
years, cities were in
flames, campuses were in flames, and the culture had
become ripped apart.
I think whatever the rational calculus is, there was a
kind of extra-rational
feeling among a lot of people that, if only John Kennedy
had have lived, this
wouldn't have happened. And to some extent that, plus I
think the massive
national guilt that was felt about the fact that the
president of the United
States was murdered in broad daylight, kind of turned
the Kennedy's into
this family that was taken into the national bosom. And
I think ever since,
what's happened to the Kennedy's, tragedy, scandal,
exultation, has always
been fed by this enormous feeling that the death of John
F. Kennedy
represented a kind of rip in the national fabric.
BLITZER: Chris Black, before you joined CNN you worked
for "The
Boston Globe" for probably 20 years, you covered the
Kennedys very, very
closely all those years; why are we so nostalgic about
the Kennedys?
BLACK: I think it's several things, Wolf, I would just
add to Jeff's thoughts
about how John Kennedy death was at the beginning of
extraordinary
change in this country. There was huge cultural change
that came right after
John Kennedy died in 1963: it was the beginning of the
civil rights'
movement; it was the beginning of the women's movement;
there was
anti-war activity. The world changed.
So I think that the president's death in 1963 also
signaled a certain death of
innocence, that -- and there's a natural yearning for
those, sort of, simpler
times, that is, sort of, also been transformed into the,
sort of, Camelot
notion.
But a friend was saying to me today, You know Camelot
was wrong; it
wasn't just one brief shining moment. Because the
Kennedy legacy really
endures: Senator Kennedy has been in the United States
Senate for 36
years, and the baby boom generation -- my generation --
has a lieutenant
governor in Maryland, Congressman Patrick Kennedy from
Rhode Island,
Joe Kennedy is not in Congress now, but everyone in
Massachusetts will tell
you that he'll probably be governor of Massachusetts
some day. So the
legacy of values and a significant achievement has
endured, Wolf
GREENFIELD: And you know
BLITZER: Go ahead Jeff.
GREENFIELD: Well one thing that was interesting when you
talked to Jesse
Jackson Jr., and you sort of identified his father as a
contemporary of
President Kennedy's -- only in our mind; if John Kennedy
were alive today
he'd be -- what? -- close to 80 years old. But because
he died in the
summer of his years, he will always be, in our mind,
this young dashing
fellow. I mean I think John Kennedy was more a
contemporary of Ronald
Reagan, but we don't see him that way, and we never will
because he will
always be this youthful fellow.
And we really, when we look at John Kennedy Jr., John
Kennedy Jr. was
only, when he died over the weekend, was -- what? --
seven years younger
than his father was when he died. And so there's this
sense of this permanent
youthfulness that adds to the, kind of, almost haze with
which we look at this
situation and think -- and identify the father and son
so strongly.
BLITZER: All right, we have to take a quick break. More
with Jeff
Greenfield and Chris Black when we return. Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: Welcome back to LATE EDITION PRIMETIME.
Chris Black, you wrote some articles for "George"
magazine, John Kennedy
Jr.'s publication. What was he like as an editor?
BLACK: Well, it's -- he was unusual as an editor, Wolf,
because he was so
incredibly nice. He knew what he wanted, but "George"
magazine at the time
I was doing some pieces for him was still really trying
to find its voice. So it
was interesting, it was an interesting sort of
back-and-forth as I would try to
get a sense of where he was coming, from what sort of
voice he wanted in
his magazine. But he was exceptionally pleasant to deal
with.
And that's the sort -- I often think, when I think about
John Jr. and his sister,
Caroline, of the word well-bred, which is not an
expression that we hear
very much anymore. I think it may be politically
incorrect. But I always
thought that they were -- it was a tribute to their
mother and the way she
raised them. They were such incredibly nice, polite,
charming, considerate
people, and he was a joy to work with.
BLITZER: Coming from a journalist, nice words. Jeff
Greenfield, you were
talking a little bit about the haze of this Kennedy
mystique. But isn't what's
happening right now adding to this whole Kennedy myth
that has developed
over these years?
GREENFIELD: Oh, to be sure. I mean, the idea of the son,
you know --
whether he would have gone into politics or not, who
knows? -- but who
was certainly by the name and by the bearing, you know,
the close -- the
direct link to the martyred president dying decades
before his time is just a
whole other layer of this.
And you know, people are going to be skeptical, if not
cynical, about what's
to come: the commemorative issues and the souvenirs. And
no doubt there
will be a lot of exploitation. But you know, this
doesn't happen purely
because people decide to make money off of tragedy. This
particular family
in this country has created around it something that I
don't think we've ever
seen before in -- it's why the cliche of the royal
family first cropped up.
And the fact that there doesn't seem to be any longer
than a few years that
go by without something else happening -- absolutely,
this is just the next
and very big layer on what's going to be a continuing
haze, because you have
a whole other generation of Kennedy's coming along who
will be seeking
higher office.
BLITZER: All right, Jeff Greenfield and Chris Black,
time to say goodbye.
Thanks again for joining us. Always good to have you on
LATE EDITION
PRIMETIME.
Just ahead, Bruce Morton's "Last Word."
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DANIEL GOLDIN, NASA ADMINISTRATOR: Your pioneering
efforts
captured the world's imagination and your stellar
example of dedication and
determination continue to inspire all of us. Certainly,
it inspired me to reach
for the stars.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: Thirty years after the success of Apollo 11,
Bruce asks if we're
prepared for the next generation in space. Stay with us.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BLITZER: Time now for Bruce Morton's "Last Word" on
recapturing the
spirit of space exploration's heyday.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
BRUCE MORTON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The rocket
was more than 30 stories tall. The launch -- we saw most
of these pictures
later on -- was like a tribute to the god of fire.
I was in Houston, watching the men -- and it was mostly
men then -- in
mission control. We followed the trip.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (UNINTELLIGIBLE) distinctly smaller
here
now, 177,000 miles out, over.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORTON: Followed the descent.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 40 feet down -- 2 1/2. Picking up
some dust.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORTON: Heard about the landing.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARMSTRONG: Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger, Tranquility. We copy you're on
the
ground. You've got a bunch of guys about to turn blue.
We're breathing
again. Thanks a lot.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORTON: Surely that was historic. The walk was historic.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARMSTRONG: That's one small step for man, one giant leap
for mankind.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORTON: They planted a flag. And yet, looking back, you
think how
quickly America got bored with it. Man on the moon? Oh,
sure. But the last
couple of missions were canceled: Too expensive, no
interest anymore. And
mankind, which had leapt forward, took a baby step back.
Orbital missions, a space station, science -- and
valuable, probably, but no
close encounters, no promise to boldly go where only
Captain Kirk and his
mates went. We have explored since, of course, but with
machines.
Machines landed on Mars, probed Venus, mapped Jupiter.
And if we land
on other planets, explore other stars, it will be a
robot who says, "Take me
to your leader."
(on camera): Did we lose our imaginations? Did we check
our wallets?
Doing it the old-fashioned, adventurous way would be
dangerous and
extraordinarily expensive. Would we better off trying to
cure cancer with the
money? Would we all rather have a tax cut than a voyage
amidst the stars?
(voice-over): No question earth is full of problems
money can at least help to
cure: disease, poverty, the usual suspects. And yet,
seeing that rocket rising
into the sky, seeing that foot touch soil no foot had
ever touched
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
ARMSTRONG: The surface appears to be very, very
fine-grained as you
get close to it. It's almost like a powder.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
MORTON: That was adventure and mystery and magic. We
honor it. Do
we also miss it? Hard to know. I'm Bruce Morton.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
BLITZER: Thanks, Bruce. That's your LATE EDITION
PRIMETIME for
Tuesday, July 20th. Join us again next Tuesday at 8:00
p.m. Eastern. And be
sure to catch us this Sunday and every Sunday at noon
Eastern for the last
word in Sunday talk.
For now, thanks very much for watching. I'm Wolf Blitzer
in Washington.
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>
> -today's papers: Giving Us Too Much Grief
>
>
-frame game: Dead Kennedys
>
>
-ballot box: Styles of Stiff
>
>
> today's papers
>
> Giving Us Too Much Grief
> By Scott Shuger
>
> The WP and NYT lead with dissension among House Republicans over
> the House leadership's advocacy of a ten year, $792 billion tax
> cut, which is likely to come to a vote today. The LAT leads with a
> story on nobody else's front: that fully normalized trade relations
> between the U.S. and Vietnam could be just days away. USAT also
> goes with a story that isn't on the other fronts: After a two-year
> study, federal investigators have criticized the way U.S. hospitals
> are inspected, finding that the system is too lenient and too apt
> to miss poor care. The biggest problem seems to be not enough
> surprise inspections. Also, the paper explains, currently only 20
> percent of the nation's hospitals are inspected by the states; the
> other 80 percent are checked out by a single private accrediting
> group, which, critics say, is too close to the hospital industry.
> Pass rate under the status quo? 99 percent.
V
> The WP says the proposed tax bill would cut rates across the board
> by ten percent, give tax relief to married couples (although the
> NYT lead and a piece on the LAT front note that House conservatives
>
don't think the proposed relief of the "marriage penalty" goes far
>
enough), cut the capital gains tax and gradually phase out the
> estate tax. And although President Clinton and the overwhelming
>
majority of House Democrats reject using so much of the budget
>
surplus to fund tax cuts, according to the WP, the House Republican
>
leadership still has hopes that advocacy of such big tax relief
>
would serve to define the party for the 2000 election. And, the
> papers report, in closed-door sessions with the membership
>
yesterday, the GOP leaders made their case. But with about a dozen
>
Republican moderates opposed, even this symbolic goal seems in
>
doubt. As the NYT explains, the situation illustrates how the votes
> of as few as five Republicans can deprive the party of a majority.
>
>
The LAT lead explains that the U.S./Vietnam trade agreement would
>
remove the last economic vestiges of the war. Under the status quo,
> says the paper, the U.S. is not a player in such Vietnam markets as
>
bicycles (controlled by China and Taiwan), hotels (France,
>
Singapore, South Korea, and other Asian countries), oil (Russia),
> cars (South Korea and Japan), meat (Australia and New Zealand) and
>
airliners (France). The agreement would sharply lower tariffs and
>
could for instance, mean that Nike could considerably add to the 20
>
million pairs of shoes it now makes in Vietnam.
>
>
The WP off-lead gets at a growing problem in biotechnology: genetic
>
tests--especially those that can predict a person's medical future
>
by measuring his or her predispositions to various conditions--are
>
growing phenomenally (last count: 400), but are not regulated by
> the FDA, which says it lacks the resources. Which means the
>
companies offering the tests are free to decide on their own just
>
how accurate they need to be. Which means stand by for a whole
>
lotta folks thinking they're not gonna get ovarian cancer when they
>
are and vice versa.
>
The JFK Jr. crash recedes in the coverage a bit, with the stories
V
mostly nailing down the idea that he became disoriented and
>
inadvertently put his plane into a spin he couldn't get out of. The
V
WP front goes in big for "want-of-a-nail" reasoning with this
> syllogism: "If only Kennedy had waited until Monday to see his
>
orthopedist [to get a cast removed from his leg], he likely would
>
have taken along a copilot, if grudgingly, and perhaps his wife,
>
Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, and his sister-in-law, Lauren Bessette,
> might be alive today." Please.
V
>
The NYT and WP report inside that surging imports to the U.S.
V
driven by the continued strength of America's economy pushed the
>
U.S. trade deficit for May to another record. It's apparent from
>
the figures, remarks the Times, that China is continuing to
> increase its exports to support its lagging economy. The U.S.
V
exports in greatest decline are autos, auto parts, and machinery.
> They are also among the products being imported in increasing
> numbers.
>
>
The WP reports inside that Russia's Far East nuclear strike force
> was left without electrical power this week because it didn't pay
>
its utility bill. Believe it or not, this has happened before.
>
>
The NYT reports in an inside story that the Corporation for Public
>
Broadcasting Tuesday copped to the practice of stations giving
>
their donor lists to organizations affiliated with either or both
>
political parties, a story broken recently by the Boston Globe. The
>
revelations have prompted some Republican members of Congress to
>
call for revoking CPB's tax-exempt status and canceling its public
>
funding.
>
>
The WSJ reports that multinational corporations are finding filing
>
their taxes inordinately complex and expensive. Citigroup's 1998
> return, for instance, took up 30,000 pages and was prepared with
>
the help of 200 tax professionals.
>
>
A letter writer to the NYT points out a flaw in a story in the
>
Times and elsewhere about how Microsoft's market capitalization of
>
$500 billion is so large that if it were a country its gross
>
national product would rank right behind Spain's, the ninth-largest
> in the world. The problem is that GNP is a measure of output of
>
goods and services, and as such is more like gross sales than
>
market value. Therefore, the correct comparison, says the letter
> writer, is between a country's GNP and Microsoft's $20 billion in
> sales.
>
> The LAT op-ed page features a call for the entertainment industry
> to begin meaningful self-limitation of what sorts of TV, movies,
>
music, videos and Web sites it makes available to kids. The piece
>
appears over nearly 60 signatures, including those of Jimmy Carter,
>
Gens. Powell and Schwarzkopf, Steve Allen and Naomi Judd.
>
>
The WP's "Reliable Source" notes that George contributing editors
>
and JFK Jr. acquaintances Carl Sferrazza Anthony and Douglas
>
Brinkley are apparently tragically stuck in the first stage of
V
grief: going on television. In recent days, says the story, Anthony
V
has done Peter Jennings and Tom Brokaw, the Sunday "Today" show,
>
Monday's "CBS This Morning," and "Larry King Live." Brinkley has
V
been on CNN, MSNBC, NBC's "Today," "Dateline" and "Meet the Press,"
>
and ABC's "Good Morning America," and has penned essays in the
>
latest Newsweek and last Monday's NYT.
>
V
>
>
Also in today's Slate http://www.slate.com
V
>
Like Father, Like Son?: George W. and John Quincy Adams
V
http://www.slate.com/HistoryLesson/99-07-21/HistoryLesson.asp
>
>
Somewhere Between Hell and Siberia
V
http://www.slate.com/dispatches/99-07-20/dispatches.asp
>
> Does Lou Dobbs Believe in Little Green Men?
>
http://www.slate.com/Code/chatterbox/chatterbox.asp?Shov-7/20/99&idMessage
> =3247
> frame game
> Dead Kennedys
>
> By William Saletan
>
>
Drawn by the scent of blood in the water, the media have swarmed
> the crash site of John F. Kennedy Jr. While pedestrian reporters
>
investigate the disaster, pundits debate the more entertaining
> question: Why does this keep happening to the Kennedys? Some say
> the whole family is "reckless." Others argue that the Kennedys are
> admirably bold and that it's unseemly to criticize them. Each camp
>
oversimplifies the truth. There are two Kennedy traditions:
> courage, gravity, and martyrdom on one side; recklessness,
> frivolity, and mayhem on the other.
>
> The "recklessness" spin, fueled by talk radio and the Internet,
> says the Kennedys seek "adventure," "live close to the edge," are
> "wild" and "addicted to risk," and have a "dangerous streak." This
> spin laughably equates all dangerous behavior. "Taking physical
> risks is a Kennedy family tradition," says Newsweek. "During World
> War II, the oldest son, Joe Jr., died on a virtual suicide
> mission. Jack Kennedy chose PT boats, rickety crafts whose
> crews boasted that 'they were expendable.' Bobby Kennedy's children
> always seemed to be falling out of trees."
> To prove that young John Kennedy was reckless, these spinners paste
> together weak bits of evidence. As a boy, he used to evade his
> Secret Service agents. He once took a survival course. Another
> time, he went to Africa and was charged by a rhinoceros. "He
> learned through all these experiences to make light of danger,"
> asserts Newsweek. Later, he enjoyed rock climbing, paragliding,
> scuba diving, kayaking, and Rollerblading. He asked permission to
> rappel down Mount Rushmore. He launched a magazine--demonstrating,
> according to Reuters, that "like other members of his legendary
> family, Kennedy had a taste for danger and took risks." He invited
> Larry Flynt to a black-tie dinner. He even lived "in an edgy
> warehouse district."
>
> The "courage" spin puts an equally simplistic gloss of nobility on
> the family's escapades. As questions about recklessness bounced
> around the Sunday talk shows, Kennedy pal Douglas Brinkley argued
> that "John Jr. and the Kennedy family [are] 'in the arena,' and
> they're living a vigorous life." "They're bold," agreed Sen. Joe
> Lieberman, D-Conn. "They have always had courage. They've always
>
wanted to live to the fullest." Washington Post columnist Richard
>
Cohen admonished critics, "It is an active family, an achieving
>
family, and so its members have taken some chances." The New York
>
Times boasted that "the Kennedys have always been risk-takers, in
> play, politics and war. At its best, there is a certain nobility to
>
the Kennedys' refusal to let life intimidate them."
>
>
But not all the family's risk-taking has been "bold" or "wild."
>
Some Kennedys have been far more reckless than others. Was John
>
Kennedy's death reckless? Let's consider the criteria.
>
>
1. Who caused the tragedy? Most of the coverage depicts John as the
>
victim of a family "curse." The Kennedys are "stalked by tragedy,"
>
suffering "bad luck" or a "near-biblical blight" that has been
>
inflicted, according to Mario Cuomo, by "gods." Not only were Jack
>
and Bobby assassinated, but "the younger generation of Kennedys has
>
been haunted by bad news as well," says the Post--"as if fate were
>
picking them off," laments Time.
>
This passive language obscures an important distinction. Whereas
>
Jack and Bobby were murdered, the "younger generation," far from
>
being "haunted" or "picked off," caused its own grief. Joe
>
overturned a jeep, leaving his brother's girlfriend paralyzed.
>
Bobby Jr. introduced mescaline to his 13-year-old brother David,
>
who eventually died of a drug overdose. Michael slept with his
>
kids' teen-age baby sitter and later skied into a tree. William
>
Kennedy Smith, their cousin, went out on the town with Uncle Teddy,
>
brought home a woman, and ended up being tried unsuccessfully for
>
rape.
>
>
Which of these traditions does John Kennedy belong to? The Times
> argued that like Jack and Bobby, John was "cut down far too early."
>
Again, passive language distorts the facts. John was at the
>
controls when his vehicle crashed--just like Cousin Joe and Uncle
>
Teddy.
>
> 2. Who's the victim? On Meet the Press, Tim Russert played the
V
30-year-old video clip in which Ted Kennedy tried to explain to the
>
nation why, having driven his car off a bridge after a party on
>
Chappaquiddick Island--and having swum to safety while his young
V
campaign aide, Mary Jo Kopechne, drowned in the car--he had failed
>
to report the accident to police. In the clip, Kennedy raised the
> question "whether some awful curse did actually hang over all the
>
Kennedys, whether there was some justifiable reason for me to doubt
>
what had happened and to delay my report."
>
>
Russert offered the clip as an omen of the "curse" that would
>
strike John Kennedy 30 years later. Russert's guest, columnist Mike
V
Barnicle, heaped praise and sympathy on Ted Kennedy for having
> "borne so many" family tragedies. Nobody pointed out that at
>
Chappaquiddick, unlike Dallas and Los Angeles, the person most
V
responsible for the tragedy was a Kennedy, whereas the victim was
> not--and that Ted Kennedy's invocation of the family "curse" was a
>
clever way of papering over these differences. Thanks to this
>
blurring of the victim-perpetrator distinction, Ted's nephew Joe
>
was able to get elected to Congress despite his own car accident,
>
which likewise devastated his passenger, four years after
>
Chappaquiddick.
>
Which tradition does John Kennedy belong to? Most pundits,
>
recalling Jack's and Bobby's assassinations, have cast his family
> as the ultimate victim of his crash. "Stop blaming John. It is
>
enough that tragedy once again punished the Kennedys," wrote Cohen.
>
But attention is gradually shifting to the Bessette family, whose
>
daughters were passengers on John's plane. The Chappaquiddick
>
analogies can't be far behind.
>
3. For what purpose was the risk taken? To illustrate the Kennedys'
>
penchant for "adventure," "recklessness," and "disaster," the Post
>
compares John's crash to the death of Joe Kennedy Jr., in a World
>
War II bombing mission and to Michael Kennedy's fatal "crash" into
>
a tree while playing football on skis. Newsweek's Jonathan Alter
>
likens John's flying to his father's piloting of a PT boat in the
>
war: "They both grabbed life by the lapels." These comparisons
>
obscure the difference between risking one's life in war, as Jack
>
and Joe did, and risking it playing football. Which tradition does
>
John belong to? He was flying to a wedding--a more commendable
> pursuit than the one that killed Michael, but nothing like the war
>
that killed Uncle Joe.
>
>
4. What precautions were taken? Critics point out that John Kennedy
> was an inexperienced pilot, took off after sunset, wasn't licensed
>
to fly in the poor visibility he encountered Friday, flew the more
>
dangerous route over water, and never contacted air traffic
>
controllers for assistance. His defenders point out that he was
>
trained at a top-flight facility and usually brought along a flight
>
instructor but that Friday's weather reports offered no warning of
> poor visibility. Barnicle, like Cohen, argued that to accuse
>
Kennedy of "poor judgment is way out of bounds," because "he could> just as well have been killed in a subway
accident."
>
V
By enumerating Kennedy's usual precautions, his defenders show that
>
he was more careful than many of his cousins. But against that
V
background--and comments from other pilots who say they decided the
>
weather was too dangerous for flying--his decisions last Friday
>
appear all the more unwise. John Kennedy would be alive today if he
>
had taken his usual precautions--and certainly if he had taken a
>
train instead.
>
>
5. Was the protagonist morally reckless? Recklessness theorists
>
associate John Kennedy's "lack of judgment" with his cousins'
>
debauchery. According to the Post, the family's "fearless
V
adventurism has sometimes played out in scandal: for example, the
V
drug problems of Robert Jr., Patrick and David or Michael's
V
notorious involvement with his teenage babysitter." Time says of
>
John, "If he was less reckless than his cousins, it was not saying
> much; there were friends who turned down the invitation to take to
> the skies with him." The magazine quotes one family member who
> said, "The Kennedy story is really about karma, about people who
> broke the rules and were ultimately broken by them."
>
> This critique confuses different dimensions of "judgment" and
> "breaking the rules." To err in assessing the weather is human; to
> pork the baby sitter is depraved. John Kennedy knew the difference:
> In 1997, he observed in George that his cousin Michael had
> "surrendered his judgment." Recklessness theorists such as
>
Newsweek--which casually associated John's "succession of stunning
> girlfriends" as a bachelor with his father's "sexual snacking" as a
> married man--show far worse judgment than John ever did.
>
Barnicle and other Kennedy defenders, however, gloss over the same
> moral differences when they demand that the nation stand with Uncle
> Teddy and mourn the loss of "another Kennedy" instead of "assessing
> judgment." Judgment is precisely what should be assessed. John
> Kennedy should never have taken off last Friday. The risk was
> unnecessary, and two people who entrusted him with their lives are
> dead because he screwed up. But let's not confuse one catastrophic
> misjudgment with a pattern of decadence. John Kennedy's death was
>
far less noble than the tragedies suffered by the best men in his
>
family--and far less blameworthy than the tragedies wrought by the
>
worst.
>
> ballot box
>
> Styles of Stiff
> By Jacob Weisberg
> Al Gore and Bill Bradley have a lot in common. In addition to being
> centrist Democrats, former colleagues in the Senate, and policy
> mavens who agree on almost every known issue, the two contenders
> for the Democratic presidential nomination are both--as one or two
> close observers have already noted--somewhat dull. To be more
> specific, they're both physically stiff, wooden public speakers,
> who lack spontaneity or humor in public. They share the kind of
> inverted charisma that can suck energy from a room and reduce a
> cheering convention throng to stupor. Starbucks, I imagine, will
> contribute heavily to both candidates.
>
> How did they both get that way? The explanation may have something
> to do with a shared lack of personal misery. Both men grew up in
> prosperous, loving homes. Gore's father was a senator; Bradley's
> owned a bank near St. Louis. Both matured into wildly successful
> adulthoods without encountering any real travail, and both appear
> to have happy family lives. The absence of buried pain
> distinguishes them from the likes of Bob Dole, who grew up in the
> Depression and suffered a catastrophic war injury, or Bill Clinton,
> who survived a dysfunctional and broken family. Gore and Bradley
> have no chips on their shoulders, no dark sides, and not much to
>
prove to the world.
>
Yet there are differences. Happy families may be all alike, but
>
boring politicians are all boring in their own way.
>
You might say that Gore is actually a bore, while Bradley is merely
>
boring. The vice president's dullness starts with his fascination
>
with difficult, technical subjects like ballistic missiles and
>
global warming. Convinced that such topics are beyond lesser
>
intellects, and that it is virtuous to care about them, Gore
>
discusses them in a way that is at once pedantic and condescending,
> as if instructing a young child or training a dog. When he speaks
>
about chlorofluorocarbons, Gore pulls off the impressive trick of
>
making you feel guilty, insulted, and bored, all at once.
Bradley, on the other hand, simply fails to capture attention. He
>
shares Gore's taste for the arcane--though his specialties in the
>
Senate were economic topics like tax policy, Third World debt, and
>
complicated water rights disputes. He masters these subjects with a
>
plodding diligence that he learned from his basketball training.
>
But unlike Gore, Bradley doesn't preach the urgent necessity that
>
everyone else share his enlightenment. His attitude is more that he
>
did the hard work so we don't have to.
>
Gore and Bradley are both numbing public speakers, but again in
>
different ways. Bradley is a technically poor orator, who lacks the
>
basic tools of the trade. He cannot communicate passion or
>
excitement. He fails to make eye contact and trips over words
>
uttered in a low-pitched monotone that makes him sound as if dosed
>
with Benadryl. He is self-conscious and can't wait to get off the
>
stage. In his book, Bradley says he tried for years to become a
>
better speaker, absorbing all sorts of advice. After a while, he
>
concluded it was hopeless and gave up.
>
Gore, by contrast, has most of the ingredients of public-speaking
>
skill: He can thump the tub, lead a chant, and tell a joke with
>
plausible timing. He looks the camera in the eye, and bites off his
V
words crisply, without mumbling or hesitating. Still, the souffle
>
doesn't rise. What he lacks is the talent for creating a bond.
>
Gore's technique has a studied, rote quality, like an 8-year-old
>
prodigy playing Bach. He follows Clinton's steps, but never
>
captivates his audience the way Clinton does so effortlessly.
>
>
Part of the problem for both Bradley and Gore is that they talk too
>
slowly. But even this they do in different ways. Bradley's delivery
>
seems lethargic because of the speed at which his mind works.
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Though intelligent, he's not quick. When Bradley was first elected
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to the Senate in 1978, colleagues wondered whether there might
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actually be something wrong with him. Gore, on the other hand,
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thinks quickly but talks slowly because he assumes his audience
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can't keep up with him.
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You might say that Gore's dullness stems from his insecurities,
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which lead him to be alternately boastful and falsely
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self-deprecating, as when he brags about pioneering the Internet or
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joshes about his stiffness. Trying too hard to compensate for his
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flaws, he comes across as a bit fake and a bit pompous. People who
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know him are always insisting that his real personality is more
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appealing, and you suspect that must be true.
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Bradley, on the other hand, is dull precisely because he is so
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secure. Comfortable with who he is and what he has accomplished in
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life, he scorns the notion that pleasing the crowd is a worthwhile
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goal. He wants to serve the public, but he isn't sure that what the
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public wants is what he has to deliver. As a result, he
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self-consciously observes himself running for president, instead of
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just running for president. This approach runs the risk of making
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Bradley's campaign more interesting to him than it is to us.
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These qualities show themselves in books written by both men.
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Gore's is called Earth in the Balance. Bradley's is called Time
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Past, Time Present. Both are impressively dull titles. But Gore's
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writing is pervaded by the same, "Here, Fido," tone as his
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lectures. "Bear with me: although complicated, Relativity Theory
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can easily be explained with the help of a picture showing how time
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and space are shaped by mass," he writes. Gore worries that if he
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doesn't give himself credit, no one will. He lets us know that his
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"comprehensive approach" to the nuclear-arms race "was actually
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adopted as the centerpiece of our nuclear strategy" and that he's
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busy thinking "about the course of our nation and our
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little autobiography, a little political manifesto, and a lot of
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starry-night meditations about the country and our place in the
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cosmos. "Are possibilities for renewal and wonder gone?" he
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wonders. "Are we left with just our minds and our bodies in a duel
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for dominance over our personalities? Or can we see beyond
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ourselves? Can we give thanks for those who commit their lives to
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make things better for urban poor, coal miners' wives, Native
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American children? Can we respect the deep time of canyon walls
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or the timelessness of rivers like the Mississippi? Can we
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appreciate the rituals of the Sioux or imagine the awe of the
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Spanish Conquistadors and the plainsmen who first encountered the
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vastness and beauty of our land?" Are we sleeping yet?
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These two books suggest a final distinction that may prove
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significant when we get closer to the first primaries. Al Gore
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unsuccessfully resists being boring. Bill Bradley runs with it.
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Message Creation Date was at 22-JUL-1999 09:54:00
TODAY--Maria Echaveste is hosting a conference call on the Mississippi
Delta
Project--4 pm at *72104 code#2846
Saturday, August 7th Cabinet Members are invited to a memorial in honor of
the
African bombings at the State Department
POTUS for Thursday, July 22
travel to Lansing, MI
in route participate in foreign policy briefing conference call
11:00 am arrive Lansing
conversation on Medicare
media interviews
4 pm depart Lansing
Congressional meeting back in DC
private dinner
VPOTUS for Thursday, July 22
travel to New Hampshire
10:30 am arrive NH
canoeing on the Connecticut River
media interview
lunch with NH governor
Heritage River Event
interview with Boston Globe
walking tour
event at Day Care Center
event at Library
staying in Portsmouth
all inquiries regarding JFK Jr. should be directed to Jake Siewert in
communications or cabinet affairs
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Energy--Secretary Richardson: interview for McLaughlin "One-on-One"
Education-Secretary Riley : remarks at 3rd International Math/Science
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conversation on Medicare
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FOX NEWS SUNDAY
Aired on July 25, 1999
SNOW: Families say good-bye to John F. Kennedy J., Carolyn Bessette
Kennedy and Lauren Bessette. We'll remember them with Kennedy friend,
Harris Wofford.
A Reform Party power struggle. Will Jesse Ventura body slam Ross Perot?
We'll ask him.
Task cuts, how much is enough? We'll toss that raw meat to Republican
Senator Phil Gramm and National Economic Adviser, Gene Sperling.
Is a .com the surest road to riches? We'll talk about the Internet gold
rush with business journalist and cyber-entrepreneur Lou Dobbs.
Plus verbal volleys from Fred Barnes, Mara Liasson and Juan Williams on
the July 25 edition of FOX NEWS SUNDAY.
Good morning, welcome to FOX NEWS SUNDAY. Last night in Greenwich,
Connecticut, friends and family remembered Lauren Bessette in a private
memorial service. Millions mourned her, her sister Carolyn and her
brother-in-law, John F. Kennedy, Jr., but what kind of people were they?
Here to give some personal insight is Harris Wofford, former U.S. senator
and long-time friend of the Kennedy family.
My FOX NEWS colleague, Juan Williams of The Washington Post, joins the
questioning.
Senator Wofford, you and I were talking the other day and you said you
were intensely kind of intrigued by John Kennedy, Jr. Why?
WOFFORD: Well, I think he pointed the way to the kind of political
leader this country is yearning for. Somebody whose not obsessed with
politics of office seeking, and yet is interested in politics of the broad
dimension, including civic action and corporate invention, founding a
magazine devoted to getting popular culture and politics back together
again, with a sense of humor about the human condition and about himself.
And interested in other dimensions of life -- like sports and arts and the
-- the other dimensions that Jacqueline, his mother, fought to protect,
but which seemed to come naturally to John Kennedy, Jr.
SNOW: Some people I've talked to said he was also keenly interested in
figuring out what his father was like. He reminded folks that he was two
-- turned three on the day of his father's funeral. Was that your
experience too? Did he sort of interrogate you when it came to talking
about his father?
WOFFORD: A little bit. He had read a book I had written in the 60s
about the 60s and was complimentary about it and full of questions out of
it and -- but I don't want to put too much weight on that. I'd like to --
I mean, I don't mind weight on the book you're carrying, but he was making
his own life and I think part of what appealed to people about him was he
represented the future. He represented young America. And though his
mother helped a lot, he was shaping his own life in, actually, just the
kinds of way that I would like young America to be. I think he stirred the
hope of America being young again.
WILLIAMS: You know, in your book, Senator Wofford, you mentioned the
notion that the character of the Kennedy family intrigued you as much as
their political legacy. In fact, was John, Jr. of the character of his
father?
WOFFORD: Of his father and his mother. I think he had the best traits
of both. He had the humor and the sense of adventure, interest in politics
in the full sense of his father and he had the other dimensions that his
mother so wanted and I think it's a very interesting combination, but I
think he was stirred by the character of the family in terms of its
dedication to public service.
You know, when that flag was lowered to half mast, once again the
country's spirits were lowered. I just hope that the coverage of the flag
going up is going to be something like the coverage of it going down
because that's an extraordinary thing about the family, which he certainly
reflected, and that is that you pick yourself up and you go forward. And
Ted Kennedy will be going back into battle in the Senate for Patients'
Bill of Rights. Eunice and Sarge Shriver will be back in Special Olympics,
now headed by their extraordinary son, Tim Shriver. Caroline is going to
be picking up the "Profiles in Courage" awards once again in her many
public works, and her own profile in courage is going to be important. And
you can go down the line of Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, lieutenant governor
of Maryland. She was pioneer for service learning, a requirement for all
students in Maryland.
WILLIAMS: Senator Wofford, though, does
WOFFORD: And I can give you another dozen Kennedy's.
WILLIAMS: does the character element, however, also engage this
notion of taking high risks, high risks that may lead to tragedy such as
this?
WOFFORD: Well, you can put it that way. But, you know, when there's a
death in the family, in the American family, you tend to try to distill
that which is best and those who have gone. And I would say that John
Kennedy, the president, and John Kennedy, the son, were not dare devils,
but they dared. And America's best part is daring. And the sea with little
ships brought immigrants like the Kennedy's and before that the pilgrims
to this country, daring to go on the ocean and people dared to go west and
that's the part of this country that I'd like to get stirred again. I
think part of the response to John Kennedy, Jr. is that he stirred that
sense of American daring.
It was his father who said we're going to the Moon. And John Kennedy's
own speech about what an important decision it was to enter the adventure
of space, along with a lot of his other words.
WOFFORD: I want to pay tribute to the media for the discovery of John
Kennedy, Jr. A picture is worth a thousand words they say, but you have
not only those pictures, but you had his words. And though
I had heard a few of them and all of us who had some of John Kennedy, Jr.,
wanted more. I got more in these last few days from you, I mean, from the
media.
SNOW: Well let me ask you, because you also have been around the family
a lot, and quite often when people gather to mourn, they swap stories,
they talk about things. What is the most surprising thing you have learned
about John Kennedy, Jr.?
WOFFORD: The extent of his thoughtfulness, about how politics can be an
art that goes beyond partisanship and office seeking. That he was
exploring both in founding a magazine, focused on the subject; how drama
-- the drama of politics can catch the imagination of people and deal with
great issues and lead people into common causes. He founded quietly I
didn't know it this ``Reaching Up" program for fellowships to design
ways for people
to serve people with mental disabilities better, quietly he did that.
WILLIAMS: Senator Ted Kennedy in his wonderful eulogy said that, in
fact, he thought John Kennedy, Jr., had every gift of his father, and
similarly, like his father, did not have the gift of long life.
Why didn't John Kennedy, Jr. use his short life to become a political
leader?
WOFFORD: Well, he was asked that by some of your friends in the media.
And he gave the same answer each time I notice, he essentially said, I
may. I think you have to be ready for the long haul and wholly dedicate
yourself when you go that route. I'm going this other route of social
invention and working at the local level, patriotism of the home front.
But he said I may, but I have, fortunately, some years before I decide
whether I do that.
SNOW: Were you disappointed?
WOFFORD: That we didn't have those years?
SNOW: No, that he didn't, in fact, take to the fight.
WOFFORD: No, part of what appealed to me he was that he was taking his
time to find his own way, that he was not in a rush to get office. And
because he saw the power that the -- the creative patriotism of the home
front can render if you -- he loved New York. You could sense it in all
the pictures, the things he did in New York. People are just beginning to
discover.
SNOW: Do you think, in closing, that he had one thing that maybe too
many people lack these days in politics, which is patience.
WOFFORD: And he fought cynicism at every step. If you listen to the
words that you've been presenting, he, like every member of the family
that I know, never succumbs to the adult disease of cynicism.
SNOW: All right. Harris Wofford, thank you so much for joining us and
giving us those insights. We're going to take a break. When we return,
Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
SNOW: Last November Jesse Ventura stormed to an upset victory in the
Minnesota Governoror's race. Now he has his sights set on leading the
Reform Party to national prominence. I talked Saturday with Governor
Ventura and began with an issue that played a key role in his own election
campaign, tax cuts. I asked him if Capitol Hill Republicans were trying to
cut too much, too little or just enough.
VENTURA: Well, you know it's hard for me to say because I'm not privy
to the national budget. You know, certainly, if it was a Minnesota budget,
I could give you a definitive answer on it. But I don't see the national
budget, I'm too busy governing Minnesota. But you know, all of that over
10 years, I'd almost think they could do that in about five if they wanted
to.
SNOW: Do you think Republicans then are not being tough enough on the
president on this one?
VENTURA: Well, you know, remember government is going to spend the
money if you let them have it, so you got to make a decision on whether
you're going to allow them. Because we actually had a $4 billion surplus
in Minnesota before I got here. And they certainly spent all of that money
and that was or the majority of it, and that was one of the big reasons
that I ran for governor of Minnesota, that I got angry over that fact.
Because if they're taxing you too much -- it's no different than the
electric company when they send you one of those estimated bills. Well
they always estimate have they ever had one Tony, where they estimated
it low?
SNOW: No.
VENTURA: Never. They always estimate it high. Well, if they estimate it
high and they charge too much, well, they should then give it back to you.
SNOW: Governor, do you think it takes a third party to make that kind
of a tax cut?
VENTURA: It takes a third party many times to bring it to the attention
of the public and make it a front burner issue. Because the minute a third
party starts getting any type of press on that type of an issue, well that
causes the other two parties to then take notice and put that issue to the
front burner. Because always remember this, the other two parties are
enemies until a third party comes along. Then they'll actually join forces
to stop the third party. SNOW: Let's talk about that third party for a
moment. You have said that it is time for Ross Perot to step back a little
bit from the reform party. Why?
VENTURA: Well, not really to step back. I believe it's time -- and I
commend Mr. Perot, he created the Reform Party. He is the founder of the
Reform Party and he deserves total credit for that. But like anything, you
start growing beyond, you have to expand beyond where you have been
before.
And, you know, Mr. Perot, has run for president in 1992 and again in
1996. He got almost 20 percent, 19 or 20 percent of the vote in 1992.
Well, that was cut in half by 1996. Well, that's like
a business indicator, you know. And Mr. Perot is a businessman, he can see
those indicators out there. When you've lost half your vote the
second-time around, I think it is time to reverse that trend. You have to
get the trend going upward. I think Mr. Perot needs to be there in a
supportive role. We certainly need him. We want him to be a part of the
party and always to continue to be part of the party. But I think we need
another candidate in the year 2000.
SNOW: Who?
VENTURA: Certainly we would like to get one with some name recognition
because you don't want to go out being a young party like we are, and
we're still a baby. We haven't even been around 10 years yet. So you want
a candidate with some name recognition so you don't have to go out and buy
it with money.
SNOW: Governor, I covered the first three Reform Party conventions. I
know you're the only name out there other than Ross Perot. Are you saying
somebody has to come in from the outside?
VENTURA: Well, sure, I think that that could happen, someone -- but
they need to join the Reform Party first. I don't think we, as
a party, should go out there and say, hey, we want you as our candidate. I
think it's going to be a candidate who maybe gets disenchanted, which most
of us in the Reform Party, that's who we are. We're disenchanted Democrats
and Republicans. And I love to say, Tony, that we are the result of a 12
step recovery program.
(LAUGHTER)
You know, the first thing you have to do is identify you have a
problem. You're a Republican or a Democrat. Once you identify that, then
the door is open to become a Reform Party person.
SNOW: Do you see any people who, at the end of this 12-step process,
might -- you might think would be the logical candidate for the Reform
Party?
VENTURA: Well, I've met with former senator and governor, Lowell
Wiecker (ph). I think he carries name recognition that could do the party
some good. And I think if Lowell wants to get his feet back into politics
as a Reform Party candidate, I think we would be the perfect forum for
him. I think Senator McCain of Arizona is interesting because his main
focus seems to be campaign finance reform, which of course the Democrats
and Republicans poo-poo any idea like that because with their soft money
and taking money from
foreign countries and everything that they do, they're not out to reform
campaign finance because that's their life blood. And yet Senator McCain
looks at that as a major issue. Well, that's always been a major issue in
the Reform Party. So maybe there's a fit there that we could look at. Who
knows?
SNOW: Is this something that you'd feel comfortable picking up the
phone, say after the Republicans have picked a nominee, and it's now John
McCain, if it's now John McCain. Would you feel comfortable picking up a
phone and saying, you know, you ought to join us?
VENTURA: Well, I won't rule that out. I think that, you know again, as
I said before, most of us in the Reform Party are disgruntled Democrats
and Republicans, and he would just join a long list of many. I mean, he
wouldn't be breaking any new ground, Tony, if that's what he did.
And, you know, like I said, in light of the fact that he has a strong
personal feeling on campaign finance reform, it would seem to be a natural
fit for the senator to come to our party.
SNOW: How about people like Pat Buchanan?
VENTURA: Well, Pat, I respect Pat, but Pat's problem in the Reform
Party -- I don't think that's as good a fit. Because Pat Buchanan puts
social issues on the front burner, they're major issues for him. And if
you look at the Reform Party platform, we don't put that much focus on
social issues. We put more governing issues to the front burner. So, I'm
not sure if the fit would be that good for Pat and the Reform Party.
SNOW: Governor, can you think of anybody other than you, who has
a track record of pulling off the kind of upset you're talking about?
VENTURA: Oh, I think that there's a person out there, but he refuses to
run for president, just as I do.
SNOW: Who is that?
VENTURA: That's General Colin Powell. I think General Powell, if he so
wanted to, could be the next president of the United States, and I think
if he chose the Reform Party, that upset could take place again.
But I fully understand that the General has no interest in doing that,
he's happy in what he's doing, I fully respect that position, but I do
respect and admire him greatly and I realize that he's given to his
country what most of us couldn't give in five life times already.
SNOW: Governor, you've mentioned two other people who are not in the
Reform Party, both, like you, have military backgrounds. How important is
that?
VENTURA: Oh, I don't think military background is extremely important.
But, again, in some aspects it is, because it's a chance to show you put
your money where your mouth is. It's a chance to show that early in your
life, generally, you saw fit as an American citizen to stand up and say,
I'm going to serve my country for whatever amount of years that you so do
it.
Because you certainly don't serve your country, and in my aspect as an
enlisted man, you're not serving your country to make money. Because when
I first enlisted in the Navy, I got $126 a month. I think my clearing pay
was $60 a paycheck, something like that being typical Jesse Ventura, I
blew that in one weekend and had to sit on the base then for two weeks
till I got another check.
SNOW: Governor, talking about money, you've taken some heat in the
Minnesota press. There were reports that you've made $2 or $3 million
while you've been in office. Can you live on $120,000 a year as governor?
VENTURA: First of all, they don't know that. They're speculating.
They're speculating like the press always does. The press simply loves to
write stories not on fact, but on speculation. As far as my entrance into
wrestling later this month, it's nostalgic a little bit for me. It was
fun, it's a career that I've had for many, many years, and I chose to go
back.
My appearance fee that I'm signed for is $100,000, of which I am giving
all $100,000 to charity. I am getting some other money for the trademark
use of my name, that I've owned that trademark, Jesse ``the Body"
Ventura, for 15 or 20 years now and I will also get videotape royalties,
which was actually determined by a federal court case a number of years
ago. The federal court awarded me that videotape royalty percentage and
that will also apply.
But I think it's just a matter of I'm going out and having some fun and
there's a lot of people jealous of the fact that I'm able to do it. And it
was unique, Tony, because while the WWF announcement came, they were in
the middle -- right in the middle of doing this latest poll, so the people
knew I was doing it, and yet I got the highest polling results -- 73
percent of any governor in Minnesota history. So the people don't care.
It's just the media that wants to make a big deal out of it.
SNOW: What do you think would happen to your poll ratings if you got in
the ring with a few reporters?
VENTURA: Oh, I think I'd be up about 95 percent then. I could even
maybe get perfect, if there is perfect in a poll. No, probably not,
because they probably poll a reporter, so it might be 99 percent.
(LAUGHTER)
SNOW: Governor, there is some talk that Jerry Springer might run for
the United States Senate in Ohio. What do you think of that?
VENTURA: Well, I don't think of it, to be blunt. I haven't put any
thought into it at all. But let's remember this is America, the United
States, and that's what makes us the great country we are is that
essentially anyone can run for public office. Now, whether anyone can win
is another story entirely.
SNOW: Now, Governor, do you think -- let's suppose it's next year, do
you think you could beat Al Gore and George Bush in a general election?
VENTURA: I think if I so chose to run and if things fell into place
let me put it to you this way, Tony -- I think that the temperament and
the atmosphere nationally is no different than it was here in Minnesota in
1998.
SNOW: Do you think -- you have said that you will serve the full term
through 2002 as governor of Minnesota.
VENTURA: Yes.
SNOW: Does that mean you're ready -- you would not rule out running for
president in the year 2004?
VENTURA: Well, I'll put that into perspective too. I could run for
president the year 2004 or I could be a beach bum on the beaches of Cona
(ph) in the year 2004, throwing away my watch and know that when the sun
comes up, you get up, when it's straight overhead and you eat lunch, when
it goes down, you go to bed. So I'm not even going to speculate that far
into the future. Because I don't know what Jesse Ventura is going to think
like in the year 2004. I could be doing almost anything by then.
SNOW: Final question, Governor. You're going to campaign for Reform
Party candidates next time out?
VENTURA: Am I going to campaign for them?
SNOW: Yes, around the country.
VENTURA: Absolutely. Absolutely I will, because I'm a firm believer that
we need a third party. I'm a firm believer that we have the Democrats
represent the far left, Republicans represent the far right, Tony. But
there's a huge group of us centrists in the middle that take a little from
the right and a little from the left and we're always made to pick one of
these two extremes. And I think that if you get a good solid centrist
candidate, as we did in Minnesota when I ran, you can win.
SNOW: Governor Jesse Ventura, thanks for joining us today.
VENTURA: Thank you, Tony, anytime.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
SNOW: Once again, that was Governor Ventura. We talked to him
yesterday. When we return, how big a tax cut will you get?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
SNOW: Republicans of both houses favor 10-year tax cuts of nearly $800
billion. But President Clinton says he will veto anything larger than $300
billion. Who's on the side of the angels in this dispute? We're joined by
Senator Phil Gramm, who holds a Ph.D in economics and a black belt in
politics, and the equally formidable Gene Sperling -- I'm sorry, I've got
to get that Jesse Ventura stuff in my blood -- the president's national
economic adviser. Mara Liasson also joins in the questioning.
Senator Gramm, the White House, including Mr. Sperling, say that the
economic plan the Republicans put forward -- $800 billion in tax cuts over
ten years, would gobble up -- if you pay the national interest for the
next 10 years, would gobble up every available penny and leave no money
for Medicare reform and other social expenditures and even defense
spending. Your response?
GRAMM: Well, it's not true. The bottom line is that we're looking at
about a trillion dollar surplus and we're talking about an $800 billion
tax cut. And the amazing thing -- to show you the willingness of the White
House to say and do anything -- when CBO scored their budget they spend --
net new spending $1 trillion, $33 billion over the next 10 years.
They're claiming that by letting the American people keep $800 billion
that they earned, that somehow we're jeopardizing the government and the
economy, when in reality they would spend more in Washington than we would
give back to working people in America.
And the important point is, if you create all those new programs,
you'll never get that money back. If you give it back to the American
people, if you ever really needed it, you could get it back by raising
taxes, as President Clinton proved in 1993. So if you're looking for a
responsibility, our plan is a lot more responsible.
SNOW: Mr. Sperling, I think, disagrees.
SPERLING: Well certainly I disagree. This isn't about keeping money in
Washington, it is about paying down Washington's national debt. It's about
making sure that we've put aside enough funds to secure Medicare and
Social Security. It is about first things first.
You know, Tony, a family doesn't decide how large of a vacation they're
going to have.
SPERLING: They don't decide how much they're going to spend on vacation
and then hope they have enough for food clothing and shelter.
Likewise, a fiscally disciplined government first figures out how much
they need to pay down their debt, secure Medicare, Social Security,
defense and education, and then see what we can have left for a tax cut.
That's what we mean by first things first.
SNOW: Is Senator Gramm right though, you have $1.3 trillion in
additional spending?
SPERLING: No. We pay down -- what he said there was a trillion dollars
in the surplus over the next 10 years, that's right. What he didn't say is
that when you take their tax cut, and the interest savings it loses by
having a tax cut instead of paying down the debt, there is no money
available. And then the tax cut, particularly when the House explodes over
$3 trillion in the second 10 years, so there is no funds available for
Medicare and it leads to very serious cuts in everything from education to
public safety, (INAUDIBLE). And actually, in discretionary spending is
below inflation over the next 10 years.
GRAMM: Wait a minute. You guys are shameless, shameless. The
Congressional Budget Office last week analyzed the Clinton budget and
concluded that it has $1 trillion, $33 billion of new spending, it reduces
the debt of the government to the public by $200 billion less than we do.
And yet they're saying, when they went to go on the largest spending spree
in American history, that letting working people to keep $800 million that
they earned after all -- we're over taxed.
SNOW: I think they'd take an $800 million tax cut -- I think you said
billions -- it's billions.
GRAMM: Oh, it's billions, yes, billions. And we want it to be billions.
That somehow them spending a trillion is great. Letting us give $800
billion back is somehow bad.
LIASSON: But, you know, but the president said it is not whether we
have tax cuts, it is what kinds of tax cuts. And for Americans who read
these charts that are printed in the newspaper that compare your plans to
the president's plan, I mean, the president has $300 billion, you have
$800 billion, why can't you get together and split the difference and come
up with a compromise?
GRAMM: Well, let me first say that we believe tax cuts are for
taxpayers. Now, I know that you're going to hear Gene say, but $35 million
American families and don't pay taxes and they don't get a tax cut in the
Republican plan. Right. They don't pay taxes, they don't get a tax cut.
Most Americans don't get food stamps, they don't get Medicaid, they
don't get a lot of government programs. Those programs are for people who
qualify. Tax cuts are for taxpayers.
We have an across-the-board tax cut. That means that Tony probably gets
10 times as big a tax cut as I do. But he pays 10 times as much taxes that
doesn't break my heart. Gene goes crazy about it.
SNOW: I want you (INAUDIBLE), Senator.
SPERLING: Well, I'll tell you what we find disturbing. Not only is the
tax cut so large that it will not allow savings for Medicare, up to the
the point that Medicare goes insolvent in 2015, but the top one percent
the top one percent -- get four times more than the bottom 60 percent. So
the top one percent.
GRAMM: because they pay 4 times as much taxes.
SPERLING: people who make over $340,000 get four times more than
the bottom 60 percent, that does not seem fair. And, Mara, this is not
about just splitting the difference. This is about fiscal discipline and
first things first.
Let me be clear. A tax cut that is $800 billion or $500 billion is an
irresponsible tax cut that would threaten our ability to pay down the
debt, secure Medicare, Social Security and education. And the president
will veto a tax cut of $800 billion or $500 billion because it threatens
our ability to secure Medicare and Social Security and pay down our
national debt.
LIASSON: Let me ask you a question about the Senate Democrats who have a
different plan than the House Democrats or the president. First of all,
one of the things that is conspicuously absent from that plan is the
president's tax cut, these USA accounts. Why is that getting so little
support support among Democrats in Congress?
SPERLING: Well, I think that many of them are assuming that the
president will, if there is some kind of deal at the end, look out for the
tax cut he cares the most about, which is a progressive savings tax cut.
There are over 70-80 million Americans who don't have an IRA or 401(k).
Most of the tax benefits for savings go to upper income people. We want
something that helps all Americans be part of the wealth creation, save
for their future. We think it is a good, smart tax cut and we think we can
do it in combination with the long-term child tax credit -- child care tax
credit. But, first things first.
SPERLING: These are projected surpluses, let's first make sure we have
enough to secure Medicare and Social Security and pay down the debt. And
then we make sure we do a tax cut that is responsible.
LIASSON: Well, Senator Gramm, let me ask you those two questions.
Number one, what happens if the surplus doesn't materialize? What are you
going to do? And also, why haven't the Republicans come forward with a
plan to extend the solvency of Medicare?
GRAMM: Well, first of all, they haven't come forward with a plan to
extend the solvency of Medicare.
LIASSON: Well, they're going to devote a lot of the surplus to it.
GRAMM: We supported wait a minute. But they do it to add more
spending. They're loading more passengers on the Titanic. They're letting
non-elderly people get on Medicare. They don't have a plan for Medicare.
They killed the only plan for Medicare, which was the bipartisan
commission headed by Senator Breaux.
The president says well, there's no money to fix Social Security. He
killed Social Security reform. For two years he had all these political
cliches: save Social Security first, save Social Security now. Then he
came out with a totally fraudulent, dishonest, phony plan that was
denounced by Democrats and Republicans alike.
Now, he's got a plan to spend $1 trillion, $33 Billion on new
government programs. We're trying to give $800 billion back to taxpayers
and he uses all of these phony concerns about Medicare when he killed the
real reform; Social Security when he killed the real reform; to try to
prevent us from letting people keep the money.
LIASSON: But is there a Republican plan for Medicare?
GRAMM: Yes, it's a bipartisan Social Security plan that the commission
came up with, that is supported by Senator Breaux and Senator Kerrey on
the Democrat side; that is supported by the vast majority of Republicans.
We would like to bring that back to life. But it is not alive today
because President Clinton killed its
SNOW: Gene Sperling
GRAMM: Let me say one other thing about this rich people tax cut. When
you're cutting taxes across the board, you're saying that you get back 10
percent of the excess that you sent to Washington. How they can call that
a rich person's tax cut with a straight face is very hard for me to
imagine.
Now, they're very skilled at saying things that don't make any sense,
and aren't true with a straight face. But I think they've gone beyond the
limit on this one.
SPERLING: Well, let's start with something you said that is not true.
You said the president doesn't have a Medicare plan. The president just
put out a detailed Medicare plan that offers prescription drugs, that
offers modernization and competition and sets aside enough of the surplus
to pay down the debt so that Medicare is solvent for 12 more years to
2027.
I have not seen any Republican plan and I challenge you or any
Republican to come forward with a plan that extends the solvency of
Medicare till 2027. The president objected to the Breaux-Thomas Medicare
plan for very specific reasons. He thought it didn't provide enough
prescription drug coverage. He did not agree that we should increase the
eligibility age from 65 to 67 and he was concerned that the independent
actuary said that premiums for people on the traditional Medicare program
would go up 10 to 30 percent. But he didn't just criticize. He put out a
specific plan that extends Medicare until 2027.
SNOW: Gentlemen
SPERLING: Where is your plan, Senator?
GRAMM: Let me accept your challenge. Your proposal is totally
fraudulent. Because all you do is give Medicare IOUs that have to be paid
by raising income taxes in the future. That is not extending the life of
Medicare.
SNOW: Senator -- Senator, that
GRAMM: It's like everything else you all do. It is totally dishonest.
SNOW: Senator, let Mr. Sperling respond.
GRAMM: Totally dishonest.
SPERLING: Senator, let's just say
GRAMM: I'm sorry, but that's what it is.
SPERLING: Let's present this to the American people. One of our
plans
GRAMM: We're going to.
SPERLING: sets aside $700 billion for Medicare, pays down the debt
for Medicare.
GRAMM: And those are IOUs, Gene. SPERLING: No, Senator. It is paying
down the debt so you are saving money so that you can have money to pay
later. It is no different than a family who knows they have a health care
debt coming due, paying down their debt or paying down their mortgage, so
they have more money available. That's what we're doing. We're paying down
the debt by $700 billion so that we, unlike you, can fix Medicare without
having to do serious cuts or tax increases in the future.
GRAMM: Congressional Budget Office says we pay down the debt $200
billion more than you do.
SNOW: OK, gentlemen. We'll have the battle of those studies at some
other time. Sooner or later folks, you go to come up with a deal. And I
hope you'll both come back and talk with us once you have finally settled
this at the end of the legislative year.
Gene Sperling, Senator Phil Gramm, thank you for joining us today. When
we return, is there gold in that there Internet?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
SNOW: We've all seen the stories, somebody creates a .com, offers some
stock to the public and becomes an instant billionaire. Is this gusher of
wealth the real thing or just cyber speculation?
For incite, we're joined by business journalist, turned Internet
SNOW: Is Senator Gramm right though, you have $1.3 trillion in
additional spending?
SPERLING: No. We pay down -- what he said there was a trillion dollars
in the surplus over the next 10 years, that's right. What he didn't say is
that when you take their tax cut, and the interest savings it loses by
having a tax cut instead of paying down the debt, there is no money
available. And then the tax cut, particularly when the House explodes over
$3 trillion in the second 10 years, so there is no funds available for
Medicare and it leads to very serious cuts in everything from education to
public safety, (INAUDIBLE). And actually, in discretionary spending is
below inflation over the next 10 years.
GRAMM: Wait a minute. You guys are shameless, shameless. The
Congressional Budget Office last week analyzed the Clinton budget and
concluded that it has $1 trillion, $33 billion of new spending, it reduces
the debt of the government to the public by $200 billion less than we do.
And yet they're saying, when they went to go on the largest spending spree
in American history, that letting working people to keep $800 million that
they earned after all we're over taxed.
SNOW: I think they'd take an $800 million tax cut -- I think you said
billions -- it's billions.
GRAMM: Oh, it's billions, yes, billions. And we want it to be billions.
That somehow them spending a trillion is great. Letting us give $800
billion back is somehow bad.
LIASSON: But, you know, but the president said it is not whether we
have tax cuts, it is what kinds of tax cuts. And for Americans who read
these charts that are printed in the newspaper that compare your plans to
the president's plan, I mean, the president has $300 billion, you have
$800 billion, why can't you get together and split the difference and come
up with a compromise?
GRAMM: Well, let me first say that we believe tax cuts are for
taxpayers. Now, I know that you're going to hear Gene say, but $35 million
American families and don't pay taxes and they don't get a tax cut in the
Republican plan. Right. They don't pay taxes, they don't get a tax cut.
Most Americans don't get food stamps, they don't get Medicaid, they
don't get a lot of government programs. Those programs are for people who
qualify. Tax cuts are for taxpayers.
We have an across-the-board tax cut. That means that Tony probably gets
10 times as big a tax cut as I do. But he pays 10 times as much taxes that
doesn't break my heart. Gene goes crazy about it.
SNOW: I want you (INAUDIBLE), Senator.
SPERLING: Well, I'll tell you what we find disturbing. Not only is the
tax cut so large that it will not allow savings for Medicare, up to the
the point that Medicare goes insolvent in 2015, but the top one percent --
the top one percent -- get four times more than the bottom 60 percent. So
the top one percent
GRAMM: because they pay 4 times as much taxes.
SPERLING: people who make over $340,000 get four times more than
the bottom 60 percent, that does not seem fair. And, Mara, this is not
about just splitting the difference. This is about fiscal discipline and
first things first.
Let me be clear. A tax cut that is $800 billion or $500 billion is an
irresponsible tax cut that would threaten our ability to pay down the
debt, secure Medicare, Social Security and education. And the president
will veto a tax cut of $800 billion or $500 billion because it threatens
our ability to secure Medicare and Social Security and pay down our
national debt.
LIASSON: Let me ask you a question about the Senate Democrats who have a
different plan than the House Democrats or the president. First of all,
one of the things that is conspicuously absent from that plan is the
president's tax cut, these USA accounts. Why is that getting so little
support support among Democrats in Congress?
SPERLING: Well, I think that many of them are assuming that the
president will, if there is some kind of deal at the end, look out for the
tax cut he cares the most about, which is a progressive savings tax cut.
There are over 70-80 million Americans who don't have an IRA or 401(k).
Most of the tax benefits for savings go to upper income people. We want
something that helps all Americans be part of the wealth creation, save
for their future. We think it is a good, smart tax cut and we think we can
do it in combination with the long-term child tax credit -- child care tax
credit. But, first things first.
SPERLING: These are projected surpluses, let's first make sure we have
enough to secure Medicare and Social Security and pay down the debt. And
then we make sure we do a tax cut that is responsible.
LIASSON: Well, Senator Gramm, let me ask you those two questions.
Number one, what happens if the surplus doesn't materialize? What are you
going to do? And also, why haven't the Republicans come forward with a
plan to extend the solvency of Medicare?
GRAMM: Well, first of all, they haven't come forward with a plan to
extend the solvency of Medicare.
LIASSON: Well, they're going to devote a lot of the surplus to it.
GRAMM: We supported -- wait a minute. But they do it to add more
spending. They're loading more passengers on the Titanic. They're letting
non-elderly people get on Medicare. They don't have a plan for Medicare.
They killed the only plan for Medicare, which was the bipartisan
commission headed by Senator Breaux.
The president says well, there's no money to fix Social Security. He
killed Social Security reform. For two years he had all these political
cliches: save Social Security first, save Social Security now. Then he
came out with a totally fraudulent, dishonest, phony plan that was
denounced by Democrats and Republicans alike.
Now, he's got a plan to spend $1 trillion, $33 Billion on new
government programs. We're trying to give $800 billion back to taxpayers
and he uses all of these phony concerns about Medicare when he killed the
real reform; Social Security when he killed the real reform; to try to
prevent us from letting people keep the money.
LIASSON: But is there a Republican plan for Medicare?
GRAMM: Yes, it's a bipartisan Social Security plan that the commission
came up with, that is supported by Senator Breaux and Senator Kerrey on
the Democrat side; that is supported by the vast majority of Republicans.
We would like to bring that back to life. But it is not alive today
because President Clinton killed it.
SNOW: Gene Sperling
GRAMM: Let me say one other thing about this rich people tax cut. When
you're cutting taxes across the board, you're saying that you get back 10
percent of the excess that you sent to Washington. How they can call that
a rich person's tax cut with a straight face is very hard for me to
imagine.
Now, they're very skilled at saying things that don't make any sense,
and aren't true with a straight face. But I think they've gone beyond the
limit on this one.
SPERLING: Well, let's start with something you said that is not true.
You said the president doesn't have a Medicare plan. The president just
put out a detailed Medicare plan that offers prescription drugs, that
offers modernization and competition and sets aside enough of the surplus
to pay down the debt so that Medicare is solvent for 12 more years to
2027.
I have not seen any Republican plan and I challenge you or any
Republican to come forward with a plan that extends the solvency of
Medicare till 2027. The president objected to the Breaux-Thomas Medicare
plan for very specific reasons. He thought it didn't provide enough
prescription drug coverage. He did not agree that we should increase the
eligibility age from 65 to 67 and he was concerned that the independent
actuary said that premiums for people on the traditional Medicare program
would go up 10 to 30 percent. But he didn't just criticize. He put out a
specific plan that extends Medicare until 2027.
SNOW: Gentlemen
SPERLING: Where is your plan, Senator?
GRAMM: Let me accept your challenge. Your proposal is totally
fraudulent. Because all you do is give Medicare IOUs that have to be paid
by raising income taxes in the future. That is not extending the life of
Medicare.
SNOW: Senator -- Senator, that
GRAMM: It's like everything else you all do. It is totally dishonest.
SNOW: Senator, let Mr. Sperling respond.
GRAMM: Totally dishonest.
SPERLING: Senator, let's just say
GRAMM: I'm sorry, but that's what it is.
SPERLING: Let's present this to the American people. One of our
plans
GRAMM: We're going to.
SPERLING: sets aside $700 billion for Medicare, pays down the debt
for Medicare.
GRAMM: And those are IOUs, Gene. SPERLING: No, Senator. It is paying
down the debt so you are saving money so that you can have money to pay
later. It is no different than a family who knows they have a health care
debt coming due, paying down their debt or paying down their mortgage, so
they have more money available. That's what we're doing. We're paying down
the debt by $700 billion so that we, unlike you, can fix Medicare without
having to do serious cuts or tax increases in the future.
GRAMM: Congressional Budget Office says we pay down the debt $200
billion more than you do.
SNOW: OK, gentlemen. We'll have the battle of those studies at some
other time. Sooner or later folks, you go to come up with a deal. And I
hope you'll both come back and talk with us once you have finally settled
this at the end of the legislative year.
Gene Sperling, Senator Phil Gramm, thank you for joining us today. When
we return, is there gold in that there Internet?
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
SNOW: We've all seen the stories, somebody creates a .com, offers some
stock to the public and becomes an instant billionaire. Is this gusher of
wealth the real thing or just cyber speculation?
For incite, we're joined by business journalist, turned Internet
entrepreneur Lou Dobbs in his first Sunday show interview since launching
his new website, space.com. Also here, my colleague, Fred the investor
Barnes.
Mr. Dobbs, let's start out by talking about the Internet. A lot of
people think that this wealth is just sort of made up. Why aren't any of
these Internet-started companies making money?
DOBBS: Well, many of them, in point of fact, are making money in the sense
that they're generating revenue. A few are actually making profits, but
we're at the very earliest stages, Tony, as you know, of the development
of the web marketplace, the web distribution network, and investors are
making sizable bets, as are the companies they're investing in, in the
future, and the future is decidedly and definitely the web.
BARNES: Lou, Tony was joking when he called me the investor, but
I do a little investing, but I've stayed from Internet stocks. But don't
you think that it is irrational just because the word ``Internet" is
attached to some new stock, that investors rush to it?
DOBBS: I think you're right. If that were the sole criterion by which
they made a determination they were going to invest in stock simply
because it because it is an Internet stock, it would be irrational.
But as an accomplished investor, Fred, despite not investing in the
most attractive and best performing stocks of the past five years, there
are tremendous technologies at work here, both in the market place and in
terms of building the infrastructure of the web and the content of the
web. And investors making intelligent, rational decisions about which will
be the winners and losers, are going to do and have done to this point,
very, very well.
Remember, Fred, at this point, only a third of the households in the
United States are using the web. That leaves a sizable upside for growth
and for even richer content and distribution in the years ahead.
SNOW: Now, you say the future is the Internet. What do you mean by
that?
DOBBS: What I mean by that is that there is absolutely no precedent for
what we are witnessing today. There has never been a distribution system
that is so efficient, so ubiquitous and so affordable. And what that means
is that dollars, talent, content, whether journalistic or entertainment,
educational or news and information will be drawn and powered by the web.
That is simultaneously a marketplace and a distribution system.
SNOW: A lot of -- on the web, most web sites make the same -- money the
same way we in the press do, and that's through advertising, and
advertising rates quite often are geared to the kind of people who tune
in. There's a lot of concern on the Internet that in order to gauge the
market, to figure out who's tuning in to your website, you have to violate
people's privacy.
DOBBS: Oh, well, those who do violate privacy on the web, I think
should be severely punished not only by their users, but by the market,
the equities market and the private capital markets.
There is, to me, not much more of an important consideration on the web
right now than privacy. At space.com, we're going to have the absolute
highest and have the highest standards on privacy. That means not sharing
our e-mail registration or registrants with anyone. And the privacy issue
is going to become increasingly important, precisely for the reason that
you're mentioning, the commercial aspects of it.
BARNES: Well, that -- I understand what you all are going to do, but is
federal legislation needed to keep other Internet outfits from releasing
that information or selling it to others?
DOBBS: Fred, I'm very much opposed to federal legislation regulation or
taxation on the web. We are, as I pointed out, at the embryonic stages of
the World Wide Web and point of fact, government intrusion into market
places, at least in my judgment, always creates great inefficiencies and
distortions.
The web is the ultimate paradigm for efficiency of market and for
distribution. I would hate to see any intrusion by government at any level
in what is a tremendously promising market and technology.
SNOW: Let's talk a little bit about space.com. All of us here have
clicked on it. We've taken a look at it. You're not really creating any
new product for people, so much as finding stuff that's elsewhere. You're
packaging information that's otherwise available. How do you make money
doing that?
DOBBS: Well, Tony, first of all, we are the only news organization,
media company on the Web or otherwise, that has bureaus both in Cape
Canaveral and the Johnson Space Center in Houston. So we are creating a
great deal of new content and creating great new opportunities for news
and information about the space program, and also covering the science of
space and the business of space.
SNOW: I've got to ask you about one of the features on your website,
though. Area 51. You've got an Area 51 click on.
DOBBS: Well, Tony, one of the things about space, and we -- we said at
the outset that we're going to serve through news and information,
education, and entertainment, a huge unrecognized community on the Web. We
believe it is literally millions and millions of people. There is a great
intersection of interest in the unexplained phenomenon as well as the
science of space and of course the news of the space program and all of
the business aspects of space.
That intersection of community is, we think, tremendous, and that is
one aspect of what we will cover. It is part of the human imagination that
after all drives us toward greater exploration and what we call the
ultimate adventure, which is space.
BARNES: We have just celebrated the 30th anniversary of the landing on
the Moon. And yet there's been great criticism -- including in my
magazine, The Weekly Standard, of what the space program has done in these
past 30 years since the Moon landing. Many people have been very
disappointed and think we really haven't done much worthwhile since that
landing.
DOBBS: Well, a great deal has been done. Would I be ranked among those
who wished we had gone back to the Moon after the Gene Sirnan (ph), the
last man to step on the Moon had departed? Absolutely. Would I like to see
us moving toward manned missions to or human exploration of Mars?
Absolutely. But we should not lose sight of what is, after all, the
tremendous accomplishments from everything from Apollo-Soyuz through the
shuttle and now the construction of the International Space Station.
One of the things you just said, the idea that we haven't done much
over the past 30 years, a great deal has been done. But the -- and I blame
in part the national media. What NASA has accomplished, the European Space
Agency, working in conjunction with NASA, for that matter the Russian
Space Agency, the Mir station, these are tremendous technological
achievements, yet the national mainstream media has failed to, I think,
adequately and fully report the excitement of what is, just an astounding
technological achievement.
When these astronauts -- and Colonel Eileen Collins now, with her
Chandra mission -- the first American woman commander of a shuttle, that
is tremendously exciting. The largest payload ever launched into space.
Yet the national media tends to look at space as if it's humdrum, it's
routine, because there are not always great visual opportunities
associated with it.
The men and women who are making this adventure possible day in and day
out, they deserve great attention and so that -- the mainstream media
sometimes fails to go to the effort to tell what is really an exciting
story. And that's why at space.com we are going to be, absolutely covering
all of those missions and all of the planetary probes and telling the very
human stories and the great risks that are taken by these wonderful
astronauts.
SNOW: All right. Lou Dobbs, on that note, we're going to part. Thanks
for joining us today.
DOBBS: Thank you, Tony, great to be with you.
SNOW: When we return, our panel on a new phenomenon, global wedding.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
SNOW: It's panel time for Fred Barnes, Mara Liasson and Juan Williams.
Brit Hume has the day off. You saw on the bumper just a second ago, a
picture of Vice President Al Gore paddling down a river in New Hampshire.
It turns out, Fred Barnes, the local authorities had poured $4 billion --
four billion gallons of water in there to raise the level probably at the
cost of $7 million or so. Your reaction?
BARNES: It turned out to be an embarrassment for Gore. If he were an
athlete, we would call him injury prone. No matter what he does, it seems
to cause him harm.
LIASSON: Yes, in fact, the Gore campaign claims they didn't ask for
this and it is the last thing that they would have done. I mean, if they
asked for this they would have gotten in even more trouble. But I do think
he's a little hapless these days. And the problem is you get into this
cycle and that everything you do gets interpreted as a mistake. If you're
the front runner, you don't have to worry about it.
SNOW: There's also an interesting story in The Washington Post, Juan,
that indicates that the park service was looking for environment friendly
events and sent out to its employees, saying, you know, if you've got a
suggestion for an environmental friendly event, let us know and we'll do
it for the vice president.
WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, obviously that's Gore's schtick. I mean, that's
what he's known for is to support the environment.
SNOW: But federal agencies don't normally get enlisted in such
projects.
WILLIAMS: But I don't -- look -- how long have you been around this
town? Of course they're going to do that for the vice president and the
vice president got in trouble making those phone calls from the Old
Executive Office Building. So, I mean, those things go on. But, I mean, if
your point is it's across the line, yes, you're right.
SNOW: OK. issue number two, an interesting thing, Mara, we were talking
to Jesse, the governor, Ventura. He mentions John McCain. None of us have
thought about John McCain as a possibility.
LIASSON: Well, I have no idea if John McCain would be interested in
bolting the Republican Party to become a Reform Party candidate. But, yes,
John McCain is a good fit. I mean, John McCain is a reformer. Certainly on
campaign finance reform, he is a maverick. He has the kind of profile that
Reform Party voters would like, but
I can't imagine him bolting the Republican Party.
BARNES: Well, no, I can't either, but you know what, reform small ``r"
is what he is running on. He has even tried to turn campaign finance
reform into a conservative issue. He gave a speech on it. I didn't think
it worked, but I can understand why a guy like Jesse Ventura likes him so
much.
WILLIAMS: Not to mention his military credentials.
LIASSON: Sure.
WILLIAMS: This is -- I think he is the perfect Reform Party candidate
actually.
BARNES: But why should he give up a great standing in the Republican
Party to jump into this thing?
WILLIAMS: Well, I don't know that he has all that great standing in the
Republican Party. The people like him at times. But, you know what? I
think lots of people see him as a maverick, as someone who has been quick
to criticize Mitch McConnell and others on this fundraising business. And
pressured pressured -- Trent Lott to finally bring some action this
fall on campaign finance reform. I don't think that makes him all that
popular in the GOP.
SNOW: That's interesting speculation anyway. Another thing that
happened last week, President Clinton was giving a press conference the
other day and he shared a recollection of John F. Kennedy, Jr. visiting
the White House. Let's show you the clip.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
WILLIAM J. CLINTON, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: John Kennedy had
actually not been back to the White House since his father was killed
until I had -- became president.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SNOW: And there you see a 1981 visit by John F. Kennedy, Jr. and his
sister Caroline to the White House, they were actually there. And Richard
Nixon, you see. Richard Nixon invited the Kennedy family in 1971. There is
John Kennedy's thank you note, no doubt urged upon him by his mother. We
even have, thanks to Wendy Dawson (ph), our floor director, the menu for
that. This appears in a book called a treasury of White House cooking, so
those of you who want to know it, even the menu is available.
Now Juan, what do you make of this recollection business?
WILLIAM: Well, I think that the president probably was focused on his
time in office and very much wants to tap into the legacy of the Kennedys
and was a little shameless in doing so. LIASSON: Well, the White House
said that that's what John F. Kennedy said. It's -- maybe he was referring
just to the residential portion of the White House.
SNOW: But he was in the residence for -- with the Nixon White House.
BARNES: Can't this man, President Clinton, admit he made a mistake? I
mean, does he have to shift the blame for this mistake onto John F.
Kennedy, Jr., now deceased? You know that's incredible. He could have
said, well gee, I thought it was the first time. It wasn't, but it was
certainly wonderful having them here. This guy can't admit any mistake,
even a trivial one.
SNOW: You know, you have got to figure that Bill Clinton would be a
charming host with the Kennedys. So I'm sure they had a good time. And
they actually swapped pictures, I guess. He sent photo albums to the
Kennedy and Bessette families.
To wrap up, Fred, we got a little bit of news here, and we probably
need to explain it to some of the viewers. When Gene Sperling was talking
about the fact that the president is going to veto a $500 billion tax cut,
why is that news?
BARNES: Well, that's the first time he's said that. It's one thing to
say you're going to veto the Republican bill of $800 billion. But if
you're going to veto a $500 billion tax cut, that would be sort of what
Congress might compromise on and then send up to him.
SNOW: And there is a Democratic plan authored by John Breaux.
LIASSON: Well, I think that what
BARNES: There's a Democratic plan saying that, this makes any agreement
between Congress and the White House more difficult.
LIASSON: For the moment -- for the moment. I think what they're trying
to do in sending a signal to Senate Democrats like John Breaux, is saying
wait a second, you know, let's not make the deal right now. John Breaux is
an inveterate deal maker, this is what he wants to do. And I think that in
the fall when people -- the two sides get focused on this, who knows what
the final number will be.
SNOW: But the real interpretation there is, is that the president is
going to have a political showdown and it's going to keep us in business.
It will be very interesting.
Fred Barnes, Mara Liasson, Juan Williams, thank you. Now time for a few
parting thoughts. We've got a new found ritual in this country. It is the
around the clock celebrity funeral and it has evolved into an art form
after the deaths of John Kennedy, Jr., Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and Lauren
Bessette. This high-tech rite of mourning has the virtue of helping us
express a sense of shared loss, but it also invites scoundrels to mock
things we hold scared.
In the last week, cameramen have starred through bedroom windows at
Hyannisport. Howard Stern callers have fooled Dan Rathers and Peter
Jennings. A few folks of turned the tragedy into their own springboards to
stardom, and opportunists are getting rich selling kitch to anyone who
will buy.
If there has been one edifying aspect to this ordeal, it's been the
behavior of the Kennedy and Bessette-Freeman families. In their grief,
they gathered close across generations and branches. They offered each
other strong arms and shared prayers and they kept their perspective.
Let's face it, celebrity wealth and power are nice, but they pale in
comparison to the blessings that really matter -- the essential,
unbreakable bonds of blood and faith. The ones that must sustain the
Bessettes, the Kennedys and all of us through good times and bad.
That's it for today. Be sure to catch FOX FILES Tuesday night at 9:00
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Saturday, June 24, 2000
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Charges of Bias Challenge U.S. Death Penalty
Broad and troubling issues about the application of the
federal death penalty have arisen. Most specifically,
whether race and geography determine who is sentenced to die
at the hands of the United States government.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/062400fed-death.html
Appeals Court Rejects Bid by Cuban Boy's Relatives
A federal appeals court in Atlanta has refused to reconsider
the case of Eljan Gonz lez, leaving the United States
Supreme Court as a last hope for the Miami relatives who
want to prevent his return to Cuba.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/062400cuba-boy.html
High School Trend: An Extra Year
Postgraduate programs have begun drawing far more applicants
and from a wider pool that for the first time includes a
substantial number of students less interested in athletics
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New Evidence in a Fund-Raising Inquiry
A former official of the Central Intelligence Agency has
provided fresh evidence to support accusations that a top
Democratic Party official sought to enlist the agency to aid
a major donor to President Clinton's 1996 re-election
campaign.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/062400cia-intel.html
Appeals Court Upholds E.P.A. Plan to Reduce Flow of Smog to
the East
A federal appeals court has upheld a new air-pollution
program meant to drastically reduce smog that flows from the
Middle West to the East.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/062400clean-air.html
After Defeat, Campaigner for 'Free Burma' Begins Anew
Simon Billenness and other members of the Free Burma
Coalition, a national umbrella group, plan to begin a push
this summer to get cities and states to pass new laws
penalizing companies that do business with Myanmar, he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/062400nat-public-lives.html
Safety Board Still Studying Kennedy Crash
Investigators at the National Transportation Safety Board
writing a report about the crash that killed John F. Kennedy
Jr. last summer have not found a mechanical problem with his
plane, but still has yet to reach a conclusion.
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Clinton Visits Olympic Training Center
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Religion Journal: Early Antislavery Voice of 'The Last
Puritan'
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/062400religion-journal.html
An Angry Gore Defended Role in '96 Fund-Raising to
Questioner
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/062400wh-donate.html
The Texas Governor: Bush Suggests Gore Supports Higher Gas
Prices
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/062400wh-bush.html
Excerpts From Gore's Interview With the F.B.I. on Campaign
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http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/062400wh-dtext.html
Political Memo: Gore Raises Millions for 2000 While an
Inquiry Takes Him Back to 1996
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/062400wh-gore.html
The Convention Plans: Los Angeles City Council Approves $4
Million to Bail Out a Host Group
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/062400la-convention.html
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U.S. Plans Delay in First Execution in Four Decades
The Clinton administration is planning to postpone the first
federal execution in nearly 40 years due to a lack of
clemency procedures and concerns about racial and geographic
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As Teacher in the Classroom, Internet Needs Fine-Tuning
Many had hoped the Internet would help close the education
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Colorado Board Urges Schools to Display 'In God We Trust'
Asserting that public schools have a duty to teach moral
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Amtrak's New Tack: Free Trips for Complaints
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Patients' Bill Set to Become an Issue for Campaign
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The Vice President: Gore Highlights Differences With Bush on
Medicare
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The Process: A Select Group Speaks Out on the Democratic
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TEXT:
omb/ceq
supp/anti-enviro rider -- any update this morning?
health care
medicare (nyt) -- Bush charges: POTUS/Gore are obstacles to keeping
Medicare solvent, oppose bi-partisan medicare reform, cut budget
"family care" bill (wsj) -- coming soon from Kennedy and Dingell
also: dems to resume legis. on genetic discrim.; Kennedy/Grassley
bill expanding Medicare for disabled children
where are we on these?
counsel
Bakaly (nyt, wp, wsj) -- charged with criminal contempt -- response?
death penalty (nyt A1, wp) -- can we confirm?
dpc
CO Board of Ed (nyt, wp) -- "In God We Trust" resolution -- admin comment?
nec
hi-b visas (wsj) -- complaints from minority groups on h1-b workers
prospects for a bill this year? Sperling quoted
provisions conditional for admin support?
oil (wsj) -- will Saudis go through w/increase? support from other OPEC
members?
cab affairs
NTSB/JFK Jr. (nyt, wp, wsj) -- staff report on cause of crash
nsc
(nyt) congressional report -- corruption/Bosnia
(nyt, wp, wsj) Los Alamos -- US identifies 8 countries Lee may have tried
to help
(nyt) okinawa/marine apology in sex case
(nyt, wp, wsj) AIDS -- UN resoltion on counseling peacekeepers
fair access to future vaccine