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DIARY Book 436-A China Fox Reports July 15 - August 29, 1941 - C - Book Page China See War Conditions - 7 - Fox, A. Manuel See War Conditions: China - W - War Conditions China: Fox (A. Manuel) reports, July 15--August 29, 1941.... 436-A 1-43 Mr. Cochrave -ince this says "lirgent 11-5 ere seuding this much of it on to you, the lest 5 the message in arr ived as yet Themessage is from fox E. S. freedware = the Regraded Unclassified but me comply 1 of et in white Peninsula Hotel Kowloon Hong Kong July 15, 1941 My dear Mr. Secretary, I had of course intended to rewrite the attached letter before mailing but find that it must leave at once to make the Clipper. I trust that your confidential secretary will have it typed before submitting it to you and that she will have no difficulty in deciphering it. Very respectfully, A. M. Fox The Secretary of Treasury, Washington, D. C. Copy 7/29/41 as Regraded Unclassified UNITED STATES TREASURY DEPARTMENT American Consulate General Hong Kong Office De Treasury Representative July 15, 1941 5 A.M. My dear Mr. Secretary, I have been moving 80 fast and keeping each unusual hours that I haven't had an opportunity to write you a personal letter. I have tried to keep the department fully advised both thru the State Department and thru the offices of the Treasury Representatives. I find two distinct attitudes in these two departments, that, in the Treasury office being the more progressive and more represent- ative of the true situ tion usually prevailing especially in the economic and financial field. Immediately upon arrival I found - letter from Ambassador Gauda copy of which I enclose and had I followed it I would have seriously marred, If not permanently destroyed, my usefulness here. There are a number of matters which I would like to call to your personal attention: (1) I am quite disturbed over the situation I find here regarding the American banking institutions. I have reported, in 6. general way, in a recent cable regarding them. My particular concern is relative to the National City Bank. A somewhat different attitude seems to prevail then in the Chase Banke where B. more aympathetic attitude 18 to be noticed. The Hong Kong branch of National City is in charge of B. Mr. Bitting, a bachelor playboy, If you know what that meane in the Far East. The supervisor of the Shanghai area 18 a Mr. Mackey and the manager of the Shangha! area 1s a Mr. Reed. Mackay 788 most anxious to cooperate with us in Shanghai but needed mostuneacy, Reed, next to Huxter of the forcantile Ban/, 18 recuted to be the alickest exchange operator In Shanghai. I suspect that Huxter and Reed did the greateat damage to Fund A. Neither have any scruples about handling accounts for the Japanese and apeculators, My impression too 18 that the tional City 18 less exacting in handling accounts for speculatore DA exchange operatore than 00 unercial firms, I have received emplaints from many sources that American firms have considerable lifficulty in obtaining accommodations with the American banks - about this I have reported by cable from Shanghai, American banks are said to be "fair weather friends". The branches in China are Greated like 53th Branch with little or no discretion left with DW apect to commerical addounts to local menagers in China, Regraded Unclassified (2) I find a dirminet and disturbing disposition on the sir: of the British businessmen in Shanshai is maromise 8157 the Japanese, A. number asserted that they were sare that they Rouly fare as well with the Japanese &3 they have with the Chinese, They give se the impression of being *illing to trim and sell quickly and are ready to do anything to protect trair profits and investmente. This makes It all the more important American bankers and others have a clear-cut policy and sesure leadership in the Shanghai Municipal Council and eleewhere. (3) There neema B disposition on the part of the British to force Rogers on the Board. He may know exchange but otherwise he hasn't passed much beyond the diaper stage. At first apparently cocky, now whining and complaining that he has been mistrested by Washington, the Chinese, and even nie own government 1a letting his down. I am amazed that the British should want a boy t. represent them at this critical juncture. I have had a number of talks with Hall-Patch, Far East financial advisor to the U.K. Treasury, copies of which I enclose. He changes r.18 plane frequent- ly and keeps close to me. From him and other enurces I find a dis- position on the part of the British to wait and wear down the Chinese in the hope finally of winning out. I have had two talks with the Generalissimo, one of 1t hours, at which all the Board members, including my American associates were present and another, upon his invitation, of 3 hours at which we were alone. He seeme absolutely determined in the Rogers matter. The Generalissimo seemed sincerely and keenly interested in a discussion of financial and economic problems confronting China. At first there was A disposition on the part of the Chinese sembers of the Board to postpone formal organization to await the appointment of the British member, Now they are disposed to pro- osed immediately upon our return to Chungking with the formalities of organizing officially. Hall-Patch and Rogers insist that by the terms of the Britiah-American agreements and understendings, the Board could not officially organize without & British member. Roma time ago I cabled to the Department for a legal opinion on this point. I as inclined to proceed at once with a four man beard unless there are legal obstacles to it. (4) I find in Shanghai genuine interest, among Americans and Chinese, 1h a Chungking victory. Under the gangster and Sangarous conditions prevailing in Shanghai such sentiments cannot be revealed or action taken that will make them too evident. There appeare to be much loose money in Shanghai and If some of Chinese investment with American backing -- perhaps that the Stabilization Board may be sufficient -- can be devised I am Regraded Unclassified strongly of the opinion that 8 ,000 deal st idle capital in Shanghai and elsewmere could be drawn into the interior. Early and earnest attention will need to be directed to this matter by the Stabilization Board. Any surgestions from Washington will be most welcome. (5) Much material was gathered in Shanghai on the freeting of Chinese funds. The term is generally misunderatood even among those who should be expected to know better. We are preparing & report which should be cabled to Washington by the end of this veek. I am convinced that much of Fund A was needlessly dissipated and that a similar fate vill befall the new Stabilization Fund unless some control measures are instituted. Shanghai has been patiently awaiting the arrival of the new Fund on the market and then the fun will start. The statement of the Japanese commercial attache in Shanghai which I enclose 16 interesting in this respect. There 1a much good the Fund can do and why it should be thrown to the speculative wolves I don't know. I do not know either what position my Chinese associates will take in the matter but mine 10 becoming increasingly clear 88 my cable will show. (6) There seems much fuss about a private secretary. For the first time in 18 years I havebeen without one and at a most difficult period. We have had no easy time even getting temporary assistance in Hong Kong and Chungking and we have healtated to entrust the copying of some of our notes to such help as we could get. Visa Jacobsen of the Nicholson's office in Shanghai suggested & woman in Shanghai with good enough experience. She seems restless and adventurous, with a commercial flare. She seema to have specially good connections in the State Department - at pull there somewhere, as 18 evidenced by the fact she was able recently to get a viea to come to the Far East. Consul General Lookhart of Shanghai, who knows her and apeake well of her ability, was not very anthusiastic about her appointment. I'll manage somehow - I have thus far -- and If the Depart- nt doesn't think that the cables I have sent and the detailed terial on which they must be based are sufficiently important d confidential then I am positive that I stand well enough by is time in Chungking to be able to borrow a sufficiently capable D. trustworthy Chinese secretary. K. P. Chen told DE upon my rival that they could furnish me with ample stenographic assistance ordinary purposes but not with a confidential secretary. This tter would have been settled in Washington except that Dr. T. V. Boong Ptainly acquired a severe attack of parelmony and I didn't want argue with him. Incidentally a number of people in Shanghai irbg our interviews spoke rather disparagingly of the Doctor. They don't seem to have much confidence in him, in certain respects. Regraded Unclassified - 4 I knew I was accepting a difficult task when I came to - it is running true to form. It is interesting and llenging and I continue to have confidence that there are tinet possibilities for good in operating the Stabilization Ambassador Gause assured me, at our first anionly meeting, the Chinese are not grateful. They have been most kind and srative; I find no difficulty in treating them as my equals. ly hope that I shall prove worthy of the friendship of some ha ve met, They need help -- and need it badly -- I shall do ⑉ 11 bit to render such assistance as I can. Very respectfully yours, A. M. Fox Secretary of The Treasury, Washington, D. C. /42 Regraded Unclassified Peninsula Hotel Kowloon Hong Kong - - July 5,941 11mg in En Secretary X rewrite The attached letter Shad scourse intended sefre mailing out pud hatit much leave at once 7 make he clibber. Itrust had your conts dentist secretary will have it used before submittey it + you dua that she will, it ha and difficulty in deciphering Very respection 5.M.Com Tre Secretary I reasury, "achington, DC Regraded Unclassified Personal and Confidential UNITED STATES TREASURY DEPARTMENT AMERICAN CONSULATE GENERAL HONG KONG July 15,1941 5AM Mr. Secretary, such unusual hours that Shaven't I have been moving so fast and I have tried to keep the department fully apportunity to write you a personal both thru the State Department and fabe fires distinct of the attitudes Treasury Representation in these two that in the Treasury office being re progressive and usually more representa L the the situation prevailing dially in the economic and financials stound tter from ambassador Gauss copy Immediately upon arreval hich I enclose and had I followed would Lave seriously marred of not namently destroyed, my usefulness There are a mumber of matters which ention: old like to call to your personal tration find here regarding the (1) Iam quite disturbed over the American banking institutions I have Hg reported. in a generalivay, in a Regraded Unclassified 2 s recent cable regarding them. My par is relative to the National to Banka andifferent attitude prevails in the Chase Banksnd is to be 0.4 sympathetic attitude prevail layboy, If you what that means charge of a know Mr. Betting a bachelos The Hong Kong branch the Far East The supervisor of the Shanghai area is a Mr. Mackay and the manager of the Shanghai area is a Mackayowad most anxious to cooperate but seemed most uneasy. Reed, mext to Huxter of the Mercantile Bank, is reputed to be the slicked exchange operator prestest suppect that Huxter and Read have any scruples handling id the greater damage tout to Fund A. Neither account for the Japanese and speculators agempression too is that the National City resultiacting in less handling accounts the for mmercial firms many Sources that hand received If exchange operators implaints from florerican firms. the the Hongt accommodation hope compederate with the Shan about this america Shave reported by cablectrow ghain disposition on the part of the British (2) Ifiend a district and disturbing Regraded Unclassified are treated like 58th Bra ch with friends. Them branches China banks are sand tabe "fair weath little or no discretion left - with tocommercial accounts to local managers in China Regraded Unclassified compromise businessment to to with that they were sure they the Japanese a number that asserted would fare ase well with the Japanese as they me the have impression with sail the Chinese of being willing They give to trim and change guickly ond and their profects and Fant investment This materit and then are ready to do anything all (3) There impo, seems a disposition on dura on 1 Board He know exchange but bart of the Britch to force Rogers on the the diab stage at first apparently otherwise bassed much beyond he has been mestlented -tam ameted cocky mow whine and complaining thet that represent had them at this critical juncture that the British should want a boy to I have a mumber of talks with Hall- Patch, Far East fidencial advisor to the from him and other sources I find a LNKA Treasury copy of which Senclosett distriction on the bart of the me. Butsh want - wear down the Therese and finally out I have had two talks with the Generalisgimo, one of 14 hours. at which all the Brard members present and another of of 3 alone including my american your has hours aggociates were He seems absolutely determined in the Rogers matter. The Generalissims secmed Regraded Unclassified Chave a clear cut police and assume leadership in the ^ Tabicipal Counce and elsewhere. ilven down. his own government is letting his changes his plans frequently and keeps de Regraded Unclassified = sincerely and keenly interested and a discussion of financial and economic problems confronting there China. on the part of the Chenese members of the first was a disposition Board to postpone formal organization to awart the appointment of the British with immediately formalities upon our return to Chunghin member Now they are disposed to proceed Hall-Pater they And Refgers insept of interest officially Chronghing sectory There appears. among ameri the gangster Chinpse condations izalo with american and if sometome backing - perhaps thatdthe Stabilization I am strongly of the opinion that a may be sufficient camble devised be drawn into in Shanghai the interior Early and earnest attention will need to be directed to this matter suggestions from Washington will bet most welcome (6) There seems much fuss about a bruate secretary For the first time at in 18 most difficulty periods the have years. have been without one and had a defferent tyme go thing soen, /8 porary assisted Leve hesitable coping of in and we some Lowe notes to such help as your souldget pena Regraded Unclassified British american officially organize without a British understandings. ^ Eabled to the Depart for a legal to obenion ony this point.Jan board ainless there are legal proceed A with a four me obstacles to it. he revealed or action taken that will in Shanghai such sentiments cannot make them too evident Regraded Unclassified 12 the not very spea Home ASll man that the cables Department Shave,se Ling the material on which are sufficient bobitive I stane tibe am by this the to forrow Chen Fold me and K, P. could furnish assistance for order purposes This assignath a matter excep note lade secretary tbachington the settled TV Soong certainly Sequired attack Shanghai of argue people inke rather de the Brews Doctor They don't,seem funds Regraded Unclassified Regraded Unclassified which should dissipated that much of and by the end of this Jafa been patient befall the new St. of the new/fund Fun will start The commercial attac interesting in associates will take in don't known minis becoming aner my cable will slfow. I knew I was st when I came to China nd Icontinue propertities torsorp to have ANN confidence and Casad 44 we to form. It is interesting sured eye have me been most in kind treating and cooperative.I method are not eed the help and need it badly assistance quals Smendship of some I have I shall no difficulty I ohly hope that shall prive met. the The my small - bit to render such year. Very respectfully A.M.For you The Secretary of The Treasury Washington D.C. Regraded Unclassified COPY SEAL EMBA88Y OF the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Changking, June 3, 1941 (Personal and Confidential) The Honorable A. Manuel Fox, 0/0 American Consul General, Hong Kong. My dear Mr. Fox: The Department of State having informed the Embassy of your expected arrival in Hong Kong, I write to ex- tend a word of cordial welcome and to assure you that the Dire bassy, and the American consular officers at the several ports in China and at Hong Kong, will be glad at all times to be of any possible assistance to you and your associates in your work in China. A8 you will have been but a few days from the United States when you reach Hong Kong, I assume that you are fully informed of the latest developments in regard to the stabilization committee set-up. Perhaps you have already learned that the nomination of Rogers as the Pritish represen= tative has been rejected by the Chinese Government. This information has been obtained confidentially (and confirmed); and I might add that it is our understanding that the rejection of Rogers flows from the opposition of Dr. H. H. Kung, who from time to timebas been the object of frank criticism by Rogers in the past in connection with various financial and currency matters. This rejection of Rogers has not, I non informed, been well received on the British side. An yot, the British have not aubmitted a substitute candidate. I am informed that the Chinese members of the ntubiliza- tion committee have very recently been called to moot at chungking, 80 that none of them will be there to moot you nt Hong Kong. It is known here, according to my information, that you propose Regraded Unclassified 2 propose to visit Shanghai before coming up to Chungling. Personally I think this 0 very wise move as the question of including the Shanghai market in the stabilization operations will undoubtedly be a much discussed point. If my infor- mation is correct, Dr. Kung and his group are rather opposed to supporting the Shanghai market. In connection with your visit to Shanghai, however, one suggestion occurs to un here (as a result of some comment that has reached us). This suggestion 1a made merely for your consideration and in the utmost desire to be helpful to you in any way at all times, It 1a based upon the situation which finds you proceeding to Shanghai without first coming to chungking and meeting the members of the Govern= ment and your colleagues on the stabilization committee. I suggest that before leaving Hong Hong you may wish to send a message of friendly greeting to Dr. H. H. Kung, Inform- ing him of your arrival at Hong Kong and saying, perhape, that before proceeding to Chungking to remain indefinitely you are taking tho opportunity to make a short trip to Shanghei in order to obtain a first hand impression of the situation there 80 that you may be better equipped to give consideration to that feature of the problems which must be discussed when the full committee finally assembles in Chung- king: that this aide trip will of course be very brief and that you look forward to meeting Dr. Kung and your colleagues in Chungking at an early date. You will find a great deal of "politics" in this Chung= king situation; and you are likely to encounter strongly opposed opinions. Having In mind your own effectiveness in the situation you will necessarily have to approach some of the problems with considerable reserve and with finesse. You may, or may not, find yourself opposed, a.8 are many here, to the views of the Minister of Finance as put forward directly by him or by those who are more or less his representatives. But you will probably feel that whatever position you may have to talio, there nhall be maintained at all times a surface respect for the opinions and susceptibilities of all concerned. It ta this that Lando me to my suggestion regarding the message to Dr. King before you go to Snanghai; a message to respect the Oriental amonities of the situation and perhaps overcome May tundency at resentment that you should be making the trip to before coming on to Chungking to become ac mainted with your Chinese colleagues, the officers of the Chinese government, and 60 on. I Regraded Unclassified - 3 - I look forward with pleasure to meeting you and your associates at Chungking. with cordial good wishes, Yours sincerely, (Signed) C. E. Gause O.E.Gauss Regraded Unclassified Interview with MR. A. S, HENGHMAN (Main-or of the Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation, Shanghai, China.) Mr. Henchman is referred to by many groups as "the King of Shanghai". The British Embassy, which had been most helpful in arranging interviews with members of the British community, informed us that If we wished to see Mr. Henohman we would have to call at his Bank for he 00:14 not he expected to como to 118. under such streum- stances we went to Er. Henohman for our primary concern was to get his views on the Shanghei situation. When it was auggested at the opening of the conver- sation that much foreign exchange In Shanghai was being used for non-essential purposes and that some form of ex- change control seemed to be necessary Mr. Henohman broke out with a clear and decisive "Impossible". The Board, operating Fund A, had been very much interested in doing something along these lines. Mr. 0yr11 Rogers, after months of painstaking study, had advised against it. On another occasion Mr. Henchman had informed Sir Vandaleur Grayburn that the situation would not allow of any don- trol measures being established. Legitimate needs for exchange could not be effectively distinguished from the illegitimate. To turn away people asking for exchange might result in ourtailment of pro- duotion, loss of employment, and therefore mounting social unrest and discontent which were to be avoided at all nosts at the present time in Shanghai. Some time ago Dr. H. H. Kung, the Minister of Pinance, toyed with the idea of exchange control over Shanghai. This view was thoroughly "unrealistic" and he was finally perminded not to press the issue further. then Mr. Fox mentioned that many business men that he had talked to -- American, British, and Chinese -- had expressed surprise that controls had not been imposed . year and more ago, Mr. Henchman replied, "Yes, it is extremely easy for merchants to say such things. The fact that they are not bankers prevents then from viewing pro- Regraded Unclassified (Interview with Mr. &- 8. Henohman.) perly the difficulties and intrioacies of the situation." In reply to 6 query about the drain on Fund A, Mr. Henchman replied that to his certain knowledge the funds did not go to the Japanese. "Lord knows I don't 11ke the Jape any more than you, but to my knowledge on only one occasion did they raid the Pund." On this occasion Mr. Henorman protested vigorously to the Japanese authorities and the exchange people responsible were severely repri- manded. The biggest raiders were Chinese speculators and leading publio officials. Surely the United States Treasury must have full knowledge of these operations for the exchange acquired by the Chinese has been transferred in very large part to America, It is absolutely essen- tial that these individuals be controlled. In reference to the Shanghai gold bar market Mr. Hench- man said that at one time its transactions were strictly legitimate. chungking had some time back ordered the olosure of the market. It was thereupon reopened by the Manking Chinese and has become B. form of pure gambling, Nanking insiders rig the market to mult their convenience, and once engineered the arrest of over 100 Bank of China employees to cause desired fluctuations. Fancy profits wore obtained when the market went wild through fear and panio. "our bank 1a a true friend of China. Whatever makes China strong ulds us, for our business is entirely Chinese." It was pointed out that the bank branches in far-away Malaya were largely dependent on Chinese irmi- grants -- their business esteblishments and remittances, "It la our policy to keep Shanghai strong, for a strong Shanghai can ald Pree China materially," The Japanese have not dared move further against the Settlement than they have alroady done because or a very healthy respect for the United Kingdom in conjunction with the United States. Shanghai, July 4, 1941. Regraded Unclassified Interview with SHIZUO SHIMADA (Commercial Secretary to the Japanese Embassy, Shanghai) Mr. Shimada was Introduced by Judge Allman, American member of the Shanghai Municipal Council, to Mr. POX at one of the American Consul General's festivities on the 4th of July. He was very destrous of having an interview and such was arranged. Shimada opened the conversation with the statement that he knew it would not be politic to ask what measures were contemplated, but that he would like to convey some ideas from the Japanese side. He stressed again and again that Japan was no longer interested in attacking fa-pi, and would in faot be glad to see the rate stabilized at about the present level. It cannot be publicly announced but Japan 18 interested in stabilization for among other things it helps Japanese businessmen -- both in their dealings with Chinese and in obtaining foreign exchange to pay for necessary imports. when questioned as to why Hanking was pushing Central Reserve Bank notes and thus attacking fa-pi, Shimada replied pointedly that Japan could not interfere with the independent Manking government. lie asked whether Fox held Nanking to be & "puppet" government, and when It was pointed out that he himself had used the term no morely shrugged his shoulders and laughed. no did acknowledge that without Japanese support Manking would not 10mg survive. He called attention to the frot that ho had heard a rumor that Shanghai ni ht no isolated 9,8 regards foreign exchange. 110 hoped there YMS no foundation to this report, affirmine that -11 Drive volet notion must not be too feat or too hasty. Japan to not strong oncugh financially to effectively attack ra-01. And it certainly in not strong enough to engage in Any [Inancial 11 che with the 11.15. and the 1.3.A., which 10 Implicit in their support of fa-pl. Shi ada thought that nove tiations that processed along financial lines might lead to onnco. James italize the present war atoped 00 soon Regraded Unclassified - 2 - (Interview with Shisuo Shimada) M possible. If Japan, China, and the U.S. cannot negotiato now the "ditah will get deeper" and difficulties will multiply. When asked whether Japan was exercising discrimina- tion against American interests he denied such practices. when informed that the U.S. had on hand records of dis- crimination in North China where American concerns had boon frosen out he again denied that this was discrimination. This vas followed immediately by the plea, "America must be more generous in her treatment of Japan". Shanghai July 8, 1941. Regraded Unclassified Interview with L. (Par jastom deviser to the !nited Kingdom Treasury) IT, took the initiative to ountact x. "all-ratch and the latter of introduction from ''''. Raymond n. Stevens, Chalrman of the United States Tariff Commission. A rather frank and entisfactory talk ensued, during which considerable attention was given to the case of Mr. Cyril Rogers. vr. Vall-Patch state! that Morers WRD quite brilliant, lad onjoyed wido experience in foreign exchange transactions, and vias quito prolific with 1deas when difficult situations arose. It was pointed out that he had boon ----- production, yours au Liab Date of England, and that Sir Monta the Norman very reluctantly and only after considerable prossure had been exerted agreed to nis continuing his work in China. Rogers was a hard worker, and knew both China and Its monetary problems intimately. Mr. Vall-putch acknowledged that the Pritish had had considerable difficulty with Rogers. le didn't seem to know how to got along with people, antagonizing them rather eastly. At first he riled the foreigners here, and finally many proups of Chinese. Mr. Hall-Patch was Informed that it was larown that Rogers had been busy in Washington plugging for his own ohoice for the American member, 10. Arthur Young. In speaking of stabilization operations Mr. Hall-Patch agreed that a very Important part of our work here was not merely monetary but concerned the influence we could axert over inflationary price trends, the rapid expansion of note issue, and other vital sconomic problems. our effectiveness in respect to these problems depended in part on our ability to got along well with the people in authority. Mr. Hall-Pateb spoke at length regarding the Shanghai market. Ho stated that Mr. Lookhart, the American Consul General at stanishat, had requested him to ur/te me to visit Shanghai before maining up my mind about what should be dons about that market. Mr. Hall-ratch stated that he realized that if Shanghai were lost to the Japanese, as it might well be, no would have to do something 1 mediately regarding the Shanghai situation. Undor such circumstances it would be Regraded Unclassified #2# (Interview withMR.E.L. Hall-Patch) woll to be prepared. If the United Kingdom and the United States were to cooperate fully on a program of external exchange control the thing could be managed quite well in spite of its many difficulties. Mr. Hall-Patch spoke of the difficulties the British had experienced in working out a charter for the Central Bank of China. Things were going along nicely and some knotty problems were being straightened out when the Sino- Japanese war broke out and upset everything. In conclusion, Mr. Hall-Patch agreed that stabilize- tion activities should be conducted along a. broad position, namely that they should be tied up with Chinese economic problems. Hong King, June 6, 1941. Regraded Unclassified Interview with MR. E, L. HALL-PATCH (Par Restern Adviser to the United Kingdom Treasury) Mr. Hall-Patoh requested this second interview to take place during the present stay in Rong Kong. He opened the conversation rather abruptly by atating that Mr. Cyril Rogers was, without a doubt, the beat man the United King- dom had for dealing with Chinese monetary problems. Rogers: possessed a wide knowledge of China and its personalities, which should prove Invuluable. Formerly an exchange expert with the Bank of England he had also had wide exper- ience in operating Fund A under the Sino-Anglo Equalization Agreement of 1939. Mr. Hall-Patch was determined to find out why Rogers had been rejected by the Chinese Government as the British choice for condidate to the new Stabilization Board, Kr. Fox assured ni- that he was not acquainted with the inside story and could give no reasons for the rejection. There- upon Mr. Hall-Patoh doclared warmly that if the Chinese rejection W&B based on grounds of personal apite, then "By jove, those beggara have got to be taught a lesson." Mr. Hall-Paten wondered 1f Rogers might not be persons non grata with gr. Pox, but that impression was very quickly removed. It was openly admitted that Rogers WRB often tactless and needlessly blunt. do und opposed and "rightly" opposed Dr. H. H. KUNG, the Minister of Finance, at least twice each month. Ho had stood up to Dr. Kung and told him off when It was essential that such be done. Mr. Hall-Patch holds no nich opinion of in. KUNE, who, he anya, is overly conceited and wont to infliot upon all and sundary the story of his life and his descent from Confucius. If Rogers lan't reappointed that faot will atymy stabilization operations for it will take the United Kingdom U to " months to 1 1nd o man adequate to replace him. It was recomised that Cnina was vital to the Empire's war affort In to sonae of keeping an enerly occupied, but the altostion In changling WAS with "the sands running law". nior these conditions Hogora 10 more valuable than Regraded Unclassified - 2 - (Interview with Mr. E. L. Hall-Patah) over. Mr. Hall-Patch would give no consideration to the questions whether it might not be true that Rogers knew the Chinese government officials too well and had been too tastless in the past. "China must accept Rogers, and that Le that." Mag Kong, / 9, 1941. Regraded Unclassified Interview with MR. E. L. HALL-PATON (Par Eastern Financial Adviser to United Kingdom Treasury) Mr. Wall-Patch opened the conversation by seeerting that he was quite convinced that the tine had arrived when some- thing mat be done to stop the leaks in the present Shanghai free market. Too much money was going to the Japanese, to speculators of all nationalities, and to some prominent un- named Chinese. It was revealed that some months ago the United Kingdom Treasury, feeling that Shanghai was a major leak through which funds were going to the Tripartite powers, had prepared an order "to out off" Shanghai from sterling altogether. only on the strongest protests of Cyril Rogers and Hall-Patch was the matter deferred. Hall-Patch at this time flew to Chungking to see the British Ambassador, Sir Archibald Kerr Clarke-Kerr. During the course of this contact he stated "Look here, you on't do this. Shanghai my look like B. mere financial matter and it may start as one, but it 1a damned well political and no must face that fact." The Ambassador agreed and cabled his objections to London where- upon the matter was dropped for the time being, The situation in Shanghai is extremely complicated and complex. The Shanghai Municipal Council has resisted and is resisting Japanese aggression, and over the course of the last four years it has done not too bad a Job in difficult ciroumstances. Dreatic measures may disturb the local situation. Preesing is drastic. If in retaliation Japan moves against the international settlement what will the United Kingdom and the United States do? Hall-Patch vas convinced that the United Kingdom cannot do much at the present time, "as we have only E couple of musty old cruisers out here". Ie the United States prepared to move? Presumably this *ituation will be considered by Washington prior to reaching a definite decision regarding freezing. Hall-Patch agreed that the U.S.S.R., now an ally, would be a deterring element in Japanase counter-action at Shanghai. The Reda had some Bo submarines and 60 destroyers at Vladivostok and these, together with the possibility that its air force could reid Japanese home cities, would make the Japanese think twice. According to his information how- ever, tie Per Eastern Red Army was not self-suffioient and Regraded Unclassified DC . Interview with Mr. E. T.. Mall-Patah) had supplies for only atx wooks active warfara. Hor AId they have the industrial bunes upon which to draw In the avent of active hoatilittes in Siberia. It mist be recognised that not all of the hazards are on our nide now though obviously much will depend upon the outcome of the Nami-U,S.S.R. conflict, Hall-Patch was positive that 1f control measures over the Stangrai market are introduced they cannot be insti- tuted by the Chinese for the following roasons: (1) The foreign exchange allotment system adopted in 1930 broke down due to large market raids and would undoubtedly break again 1f reintroduced, (2) Control by Chinese would put the Chinese banks and bankers in Shanghai on the spot with resultant wholesale murders and kidnepings by Nanking gangators, Japanese gun- men, etc. (3) Control by Chinese would leave the baok door wide open for "insiders" to take adventage of the situation AB they have done in the past. Control measures to be effective depend upon joint parallel action bythe United States and the United Kingdom. Only in this way is there a possibility of plugging the leaks. Joint action must extend not only to the Treasuries of the two countries but to their banks as well. Parallel action would necessitate the establishment of a single control board which was equipped through fast communications to make quick decisions and to whip their banks into line, If necessary. A Shanghai representative or agency of the Control Board mist be set up and the American and British banks In Shanghai would not ns its agents. l'Ittmate decl= sions and responsibility must, neverthelsse, be centered in Washington and London to avoid the onus or for final Judg- ments locally. Hall-Patch openly expressed doubt on a number of matters in regard to control over the Shanghal market. These may best be summarized as follows: (1) In the United States Treasury ready? The United Kingdom Regraded Unclassified (Interview with Mr. R. L. Hall-Patoh) Treasury ins had 1ts freesing order drawn up and ready to apply at e moment's notice. But what of Washington? There must be no possibility of disagreement in British and American orders and a single board must be established to bring action. both into line In the beginning and in subsequent (2) What of the American banks in China? Hall-Patoh knows from bitter experience in North China that one particular American Bank (National City T) did not play ball. In this case the British had the devil's own time to got Washington to issue the necessary instructions to the bank's head office In New York to get it to go along. Mr. Fox assured Hall-Patch that there would be no further difficulty on this soore either in Shanghai or in Washington. Mr. Pox wanted to know what about the Britiahbanks--in particular what about Grayburn (Hongkong office of the Hongkong Bank), Henchman (Shanghai offloe of the Hongkong Bank), Huxton (Mercantile Bank, Shanghai), who had demonstrated in personal interviews their independence, cockiness, and even non-cooperation and who have aloud wondered at the audacity of London issuing orders and trying to control exchange. Hall-Patch gave every assurance that he would be responsible for these people and their banks and asserted that no difficulties would arise if freezing went into effect. (3) What of the needs of legitimate Japanese merchants in Shanghai area? The type thus referred to are the merciants thatmere in Shanghai prior to 1937 and who have proven ever since a consistently materating influence. Their voices have been rowing work as the shouts of the ronin carpet-baggers, that have followed in the wake of the Japanese army, have ricon to A orescendo. Their voices might he extinguished all together If freezing occurred, It T&A admitted that this was not A valid reason for hold- Ing up such action. (4) mat of the Chinese? It la essential that the Control Board have the rull cooperation of Chinese governmental leaders and banking officials. There mist be no evasion Regraded Unclassified (Interview with Mr. E. L. Hall-patch) evasion or speculative runs such as were curried out by prominent private and official leaders In the past. If the stabilization Hoard -aintains absolute secrecy about its operations, current and prospective, this will go far to stop leakages that have occurred in the past. In this regard Hall-Patch asserted that the Chinese members-- K. P. Chen, Touyee pot and T. M. HGI were excellent oboloee and above all suspicion. It 1a also recognized that Гроед- ing itself and supervision by the United States and the United Kingdom will close other avenues to Chinese manipu- lators. (5) What retaliation will Japan and Nanking take? This is 8 political question and the time has arrived to face up to it. Hall-Patch believed that the Japanese and their puppets will probably do very little in the event that resoluteness and a willingness to hit back hard are displayed. It must be realized that Japanese bank balances and investments in the sterling areas are now 80 amall as not to constitute a deterrent to Japan. Hall-Patch wondered about Japanese bank balances and investments in the United States. (6) What of sussion through South America? Again in the event that the United Kingdom and the United States not in unison this should not constitute a serious problem. The British Treasury can handle the Argentine quite adequately and the mited States could probably take care of Brazil. If this la done the other South American countries will have to fall in line. Shanghai, July 3, 1941. Regraded Unclassified 29 - THE COMMISSIONAL us - - - - TO - TREASURY DEPARTMENT UNITED STATES COAST GUARD HEADQUARTERS WASHINGTON 11 July, 1941. SECRET From: Spagent, Shanghai, China. To : Secretary of the Treasury. The Yokohama Specie Bank is exerting pressure to have the Shanghai "unicipal Council accept Hanking Puppet Central Reserve Pank notes for rates and taxes to the extent of 20%. The Council sought advice from henchman of Hongkons 9ank and Vekay of "ational City, who net with American and British nembers. I understand the henchesan took a strong position against yielding and that MeKay was lukewarn. I 5BW UcKay on the morning of the 9th at his office. He attempted to denon- strate that accentance would not necessarily be injurious to settlement. : vigorously coposed this view as bein- but an openin wells, "c"ay assured ne that his bank would not accept `entral Pank notes under any conditions unless directly ordered by American government. Asked if this was the Feneral foreign bankling sentiment, he assorted that it was and annlied not only to "ankin' currency but to all bloc have conferred with All three American members of the Council. Ex- lained the importance of American members taking a firm cosition in 2.16 matter and showing definite leadership. Am firnly convinced that apan is making this effort to push her notes to mLify the "anking vericent, that will not press the matter if American members show a letermin di opposition. A larve volume of late las Faints collected, the Regraded Unclassified 30 - 2 - assimilation of which will take same time. A complete report on Shanghai will be forwarded as soon as possible. A few tentative observations are being forwarded through the American Consul General with whom we have frankly re- viewed the situation. Signed, FOX Regraded Unclassified - FIRE M 2 CONST SUARE - - - - 51 TREASURY department UNITED STATES COAST GUARD HEADQUARTERS WASHINGTON 16 July, 1841. From: Spagent, Shanghai, China. To : Secretary of the Treasury. The National City Bank has announced the closing of two branches at Canton and Peicing. You probably have full details regarding this action. The closure indicates a definite attitude of non-compromise toward Japanese and yen bloc currencies. I am informed that the closure was partly result- ant of lack of business with no one entering the bank premises day after day. Had these branches been willing to accept yen bloc currencies, the action would probably not have been necessary. The same non-compromising attitude was also evidenced by National City Shanghai manager, McKay, in discussing efforts by Yokohama Specie Bank to get the Shanghai Municipal Council to accept Nanking Central Bank notes in part payment of rates and taxes. Mackay is asserting that his bank would never accept Japanese sponsored notes unless ordered to do so by the United States government. At the same time MacKay attempted to rationalize the acceptance of such notes by the Shanghai Munici- pality and to minimize the consequences. It is important that American bank- ing representatives in Shanghai, especially Mackay, maintain an unwavering and firm attitude in this matter as they exercise a. great influence on Ameri- can council members, whose position in turn will have a. creat bearing on the final attitude of the council. I am convinced that the acceptance of the Nanking notes will not be allowed by the Japanese to become an issue if it is known that American and British members are fully united in opposition. Regraded Unclassified 32 - 2 - Every effort should therefore be made by the Treasury to influence the position of American banking representatives and to have Britain main- tain a similar attitude, Complaints, heard from some businessmen and lawyers, were 000m firmed by British bankers that American banks were too severe in their loan and credit arrangements. Also, that local managers had no leeway as British bankers were under strictest control from New York head of- fices. When the matter was called to the attention of local managers, Mackay and Barber, they agreed, stating that it was the fault of too strict an application of American banking laws abroad. Subsequently, Mackay denied the allegation, stating that many of the loans made by British banks, especially the Hongkong Bank, were not in accord with sound banking principles. The Hongkong Bank carried along many business concerns even when they were technically insolvent and only war-time prosperity in Shanghai had saved them. National City, it was claimed, had accounts of most of the American business concerns worth having. I did not have the opportunity to examine fully into the merits of various contentions. However, there seems to be some element of truth in the charge, and if American business institutions are to take full advantage of future opportunities for increasing business in Asia, improved facili- ties for making banking services more readily accessible should be in- stituted. I have also received the impression that National City has done an unusually large amount of exchange business, showing a willing- ness to handle accounts for any nationality or type of operation. Regraded Unclassified 33 - 3 - It would seem highly desirable for the Treasury to discuss with American banks, particularly National City: 1. The desirability of providing ample banking facilities for legitimate enterprise of American nationality. 2. The desirability of scrutinizing exchange operations more fully in the interests of Sino-American welfare. I arrived in Hongkong on the 14th. Confusion in the mails with letter from Treasury being forwarded to Shanghai a few days ago which may reach the United States a week from now. I am planning to leave for Chungking in a few days. Frese, after a profitable two weeks in the field, is in Hongkong now together with Chen and Pei. Signed, FOX Regraded Unclassified ADDRESS THE COMMANDANT M. . COAST GUARD AND REFER is NL TREASURY department UNITED STATES COAST GUARD MARTERS WASHINGTON in Amount, SEC From: Spagent, Shanghai, To : Secretary of the Treasury. Message from Mr. Fox The organizing and Proctioning OF Que Inar! Dete is cate matter. Aside from the physical difficulties to which recontly ferred in cable through the State Department, there are There is unmistakable evidence that everything In ported to Dr. Kung. Hall Patch reluctantly one to days for organizing purposes. He is most persistent I understand Dr. Kung is to be present at the hearths injoin] ing and will probably make the insuration spends. the drafting exchange control regulations without Plant Neard. I understand that it is done to undoubtedly will be centered in finner information on exchange control proce ture markets. T. Kung appears doing everything I can to support tunately, Dr. Chi's services have will be a distinct help. There to the Central Bank of is mid: colitical some of the benefits USE criticized by Regraded Unclassified - 2 - general confidence. I understand it is not as well organized and staffed as other government and private banks. The Board hesitates to engage in general economic studies regarding suggestions for needed improvements for rehabilltation. Proper economic studies by foreign group may be able to effectuate some change. It would seem that with- out outside influence and pressure there is little hope for improve- ment. I am not certain of the advisability of joint Anglo-American help in such an undertaking. It. seems to me that the present uncer- tainty in Shanchei and longkong occasioned by the recent freezing of Chinese funds le caused in a large part by yet unofficial appointment by Treasury of Par Fast administrator or inspector of frozen funds operating torether with one or two assistants to be stationed at Shanchas End nosethly Honekong. The friendly freesing or Chinese funds has been well received. At present : RU sotinCied with my Tro Tead ere and cossibilities for the althou siow and atience necessary. Regraded Unclassified LIBITS THE COMMISSIONER . ». tain - MD - NN N. TREASURY DEPARTMENT UNITED STATES COAST GUARD SECRET WASHINGTON 28 meat, 1%1. From: Spagent, Shanghai, China. To : Secretary of the Treasury. At the conference on Saturday with 3. %. "un, I observed that 0. K. nit was not particularly deferential to his Docellency. The quiry has disclosed that for the first time the "inister of Finance has not chosen his own vice-minister. I understand that D. 5. Yui and Y- Co Koo were appointed by Chiang Kai-shek himself during He % absence on account of illness and that Madame Kung immediately care to Chingking on learning of this and has been here ever since. The central News Agency on August 19th states that 10% T. F. Tsiang, Secretary nen- eral of the Executive Yuan, at a conference on August 18th for foreign correspondents announced that the national government on August 13th formally set up an exchange control committee "to conduct operation of stabilization fund." The committee is to be composed of fifteen members. B+ H. Kung will be chairman. 0. K. Yui, the three Chinose hoard members and JIANHXCHEN, Deputy Governor of Central Bank, are to constitute B standing committee which is to meet weekly, while the whole committe morts monthly. Other members of the committee are: General WII TE (315), Dr. WANG SHIH CHIEH, ATUKAN, Dr. CHANG PO NING, General UTYAOTSOU, To. T. F. TSIANO, Y. C. KOO, LEE TAO NAN, AND K. K. KNOK. T. N. CREWK, nager of the Bank of Communications in to be secretary general of the Regraded Unclassified committee. Lee's regutation as a member of the stabilization fund's committee is not of the best. From another very reliable source I learn that Lee is not to be a member of the committee, but in addi- tion to those named above, two others are to serve: SUNG HAN TSANG, GENERAL MANAGER BANK OF CHINA, and WHIENHSINTE, Chairman of the board of directors of the Bank of Communications. Sometime ago I learned that Lee is gunning for the general managership of his bank. I understand that appointments are to be made by the national government as of August 12th, the day on which the Executive Tuan meete stabilization board members appointed by Minister of Finance. At a conference of the board with H. H. Kung and his two vice- ministers on the 16th, Hall Patch stressed the question of exchange control, but nothing was said of a committee having been already ganized. I suspect that the announcement on organizing on the 12th or 13th is for meeting of actual formation of the committee må to an attempt to confuse the functions of the committee and the stabl= lization board. Neither K. P. Chen or I expect much of the condito: and we have every reason to doubt whether any program or plan has yet been formulated for handling exchange control. Because of the political characters of the committee, K. P. Chen healtsten to serve on it. (Signed) FOX SECRET Regraded Unclassified - I E a TREASURY DEPARTMENT UNITED STATES COAST GUARD URGENT AND PERSONAL WASHINGTON 28 August, 1241. Spagent, Shanghai, China. Secretary of the Treasury. I have received very few replies to many inquiries adding to difficulties of operations here. I would greatly appreciate an early deration of the question raised herein. K. P. Chen and I joined and Hei in Hongkong because of the number of problems raised requir- tention of the full board. I was particularly disturbed over the nance of the advantage displayed by operations of the Hongkong and that bank during the past week. I find that British banks did not FLY particular advantage. Instead of taking advantage of the oppor- as the British banks díd, the American banks referred the matter head office and were advised to exercise extreme caution. Then 45 flood of questions giving the impression that the American wanted the board to take all the risk. They were for cooperation, the board to promote one hundred percent of 1t. Can not do something to get at closer to fifty-fifty basis. The Le particularly serious because the attitude of the American levided factor in keeping Shanghai stirred up and uncertain. called the Treasury's attention before to the American banka' real occparation. The board during the past week has, in my in exceptionally good start, particularly through Poi's and extreme ability, this steadying the Shanghai market leying a good foundation in foreign exchange control in Regraded Unclassified - 2 - China, During a long session with H. H. Rung Friday, which K. B. Chen considered the best meeting we have had with him and showed evidence of confidence in American member, it was pointed out that the board's prev sent activities really were initiating fixed steps in China's present exchange control and that it was quite importance for the Chinese govern ment soon to work out its exchange control regulations. H. H. Kung stat that 1f the board was ready to turn over its present Hongkong operations to the agency, it. could turn them over to P. N. Chung, Hongkong manager of the Central Bank of China, and whose particular claim to fame rests on being China's official greeter to visitors passing through this ateway. P. N. Chung is spending the week-end in Chungking with H. H. Rung. Chung does not know what it is all about and in this parti matter, H- H. Kung is not in a such fortunate position. The first of operation has cost the board about one million seven hundred thoust U. S. dollars. The board, to avoid criticism, must secon provide to cover also for cities in Free China. This will not require a. large amount of distress among stranded American newspaper such bells of the New York Times who appealed to me from Konsang Friday, It arises from a lack of knowledge of exchange control activity of the Central Bank of China in handling its supor under license sixty and failure of H. H. Kung's fored add agency to start operations. The agency has been classi a in It is composed of & mongrel group with & decided polltical in fully aware of the danger of having the the dreams continue totake risks involved in carrying on Regraded Unclassified SECRET" - board members have -iven much thought to the problems involved. The agency, on the other hand, is technically and otherwise not equipped to handle the situation at the present time. The board plans to turn to the Hongkong operations over the agency very soon unless the Treasury believes the board should continue to function in this field for 8. while. I should like to hear from you in regard to this matter very axe. Regraded Unclassified SECRET 41 TREASURY DEPARTMENT UNITED STATES COAST QUARD DQUARTERS WASHINGTON 29 August, 1941, From: Spagent, Shanghai, China, To & Secretary of the Treasury. (Part 2, "Urgent" of August 28) The board my call a conference in Houghoug with s group of leading Shanghai business men and bankers in order to place plan and objectives before thes personally, If 11 is decided to hold such a conference, I shall recall Taylor from thaughat to Hongkong for & short period, It is most inconvenient to function effectively in Chungking, in spite of long hours devoted to task, without a com- fidential secretary and without other help; even ordinary stenographic assistance is scarce. Now that the board has started operations, Frese should return to accounting phases of work. What are the changes of getting at least one competent person for a short time to observe conditions in Shanghail It is quite important to have a technically trained observer in Shanghai and, if possible, one in Bongkong. I should know at an early date what the attitude of the Treasury Department would be toward a new application from the Chinese Government for an additional contribution to the board's fund of fifty million U. S, dollars or a smaller sum, There is no hurry about this. Some of the uncertainty here, for which the United States Government is blamed, in part arises from the alowness in forwulating plans for exchange control in China, The Finance Ministry relishes the power which it has through the Stabilization Board, which it tries to dont- - 1 - SECRET Regraded Unclassified SECRET nate, and the agency which it does control. The Ministry is not handling the present task in an intelligent and effective manner, There is unmistakable evidence of incompetence in the Central Bank of China, It is a haven for political and other backs. The Bank of Ohina, on the other hand, appears competent and, among private commercial banks, commercial and savings banks of Shanghai, and the Bank of East Asia, appears to stand out, This is not intended as a complete list. WEE SECRET - 2 - Regraded Unclassified - THE . & CRAFT serve - - 10 as TREASURY DEPARTMENT UNITED STATES COAST QUARD SECR WASHINGTON 29 August, 1941. From: Spagent, Shanghai, China. To : Secretary of the Treasury. (Contimuation of message of 28th) Conditions in Chungling are extremely difficult. I am willing to continue on at least until the board is better organized, but I should be able to count on better cooperation from the Treasury Department than I have been receiving. I realize the difficulty of formulating a definite policy or position on many problems, but I hould at least be advised of the situation. I can then covern my- self accordingly. I ought to know whether a reply may be expected 8000 on such questions as: 1. Chinese banks in Hongkong are caught in the dilémna of freezing by United States and Hongkong is being included in the terling area. 2. will license be granted to competent private com- banks or can they operate under license 58? 5. Attitude of Treasury towards agency. 4. Is it Treasury's intention to have board relegated ainor position and have the major role given to agency? I an anxious to return to Chungling soon to take advantage acts developed here. An early reply to Hongkeng will be appre- I an sending mother cable through State 60 as to provide op- by for reply through regular channel. FOX Regraded Unclassified