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Record Group/Collection:
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Collection/Office of Origin: Scowcroft, Brent, Collection
Series:
Presidential Correspondence Files
Subseries:
Presidential Telcon Files
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Folder Title:
Presidential Telephone Calls - Memorandum of Conversations 11/5/92 - 1/2/93
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Withdrawal/Redaction Sheet
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Doc. No. / Type
Subject/Title
Date
Restriction
Classification
01. Telcon
Re: Telcon with King Juan Carlos of Spain on November 5,
11/5/92
(b)(1)
C
1992
[FOIA EXEMPTIONS REDACTED] (2 pp.)
02. Telcon
Re: Telcon Conversation between the President and President de
11/8/92
(b)(1)
Klerk (2 pp.)
03. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel on
11/9/92
(b)(1)
C
November 9, 1992
[FOIA EXEMPTIONS REDACTED] (2 pp.)
04. Telcon
Re: Telephone Conversation with King Fahd of Saudi Arabia
11/10/92
(b)(1)
C
[FOIA EXEMPTIONS REDACTED] (2 pp.)
05. Telcon
Re: Meeting with Chaim Herzog, President of Israel
11/16/92
(b)(1)
[FOIA EXEMP TIONS REDACTED] (6 pp.)
06. Telcon
Re: Telcon with President Rafael Callejas of Honduras on
11/24/92
(b)(1)
November 24, 1992 (2 pp.)
07. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Amir Khalifa of Bahrain on November 27, 1992
11/27/92
(b)(1)
&
(1 pp.)
08. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Prime Minister Brian Mulroney of Canada (2
11/28/92
(b)(1)
&
pp.)
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Scowcroft, Brent, Files
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2/9/2009
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2009-0275-S
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Doc. No. / Type
Subject/Title
Date
Restriction
Classification
09. Telcon
Re: Telcon with President Boris Yeltsin of Russia on November
11/30/92
(b)(1)
&
30, 1992 (2 pp.)
10. Telcon
Re: Memorandum of Telephone Conversation (3 pp.)
12/1/92
11. Telcon
Re: Somalia (2 pp.)
12/2/92
(b)
12a. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Kiichi Miyazawa, Prime Minister of Japan on
12/2/92
December 2, 1992 (3 pp.)
12b. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Kiichi Miyazawa, Prime Minister of Japan on
12/2/92
(b)(1)
December 2, 1992 (1 pp.)
13a. Memo
Bruce O. Riedel of William F. Sittmann
12/3/92
(b)(1)
Re: Telcon with King Fahd of Saudi Arabia (1 pp.)
13b. Telcon
Re: Telcon with King Fahd of Saudi Arabia on December 3, 1992
12/3/92
(b)(1)
C
[FOIA EXEMPTIONS REDACTED] (3 pp.)
14. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan on
12/3/92
(b)(1)
C
December 3, 1992 [FOIA restrictions redacted] (2 pp.)
15. Telcon
Re: Telecon with President Francois Mitterrand of France on
12/3/92
(b)(1)
December 3, 1992 (3 pp.)
16. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene of Belgium
12/3/92
(b)(1)
&
(2 pp.)
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2009-0275-S
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Doc. No. / Type
Subject/Title
Date
Restriction
Classification
17. Telcon
Re: Telecon with Prime Minister Giuliano Amato of Italy (2 pp.)
12/3/92
(b)
/
18. Telcon
Re: Telcon with John Major, Prime Minister of United Kingdom
12/3/92
(b)(1)
on December 3, 1992 (2 pp.)
19. Telcon
Re: Telcon with President Mubarak of Egypt on December 3,
12/3/92
(b)(1)
C
1992 (2 pp.)
20. Telcon
Re: Memorandum of Telephone Conversation (2 pp.)
12/3/92
(b)
21. Telcon
Re: Memorandum of Telephone Conversation (2 pp.)
12/3/92
(b)(1)
22. Telcon
Re: Telecon with Boutros Boutros-Ghali, United Nations
12/4/92
(b)(1)
Secretary General on December 4, 1992 (2 pp.)
23. Telcon
Re: Telephone Call with President Turgut Ozal of Turkey (2 pp.)
12/5/92
(b) (1)
24. Telcon
Re: Memorandum of Telephone Conversation (2 pp.)
12/5/92
(b)(1)
25. Telcon
Re: Telcon with President Rafael Calderon of Costa Rica (3 pp.)
12/7/92
(b)(I)
26. Telcon
Re: Telephone Conversation with UN Secretary General Boutros
12/8/92
(b)(1)
Boutros-Ghali (3 pp.)
27. Telcon
Re: Memorandum of Telephone Conversation (3 pp.)
12/17/92
(b)(1)
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Subject/Title
Date
Restriction
Classification
28. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Quett Masire, President of Botswana on
12/17/92
(b)(1)
d
December 17, 1992 (2 pp.)
29. Telcon
Re: Memorandum of Telephone Conversation with Kim Young-
12/19/92
(b)(1)
Sam, President-elect of the Republic of Korea, on December 19,
1992 (2 pp.)
30. Telcon
Re: Telephone Conversation Between the President and Boris
12/20/92
(b)(1
Yeltsin, President of Russia (4 pp.)
31. Telcon
Re: Telephone Conversation Between the President and Boris
12/21/92
(b)(1)
Yeltsin, President of Russia (4 pp.)
32. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers of the Netherlands
12/21/92
on December 21, 1992 (2 pp.)
33. Telcon
Re: Telcon with President Kravchuk of Ukraine on December
12/24/92
(b)
24th, 1992 (2 pp.)
34. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Suleyman Demirel, Prime Minister of Turkey on
12/24/92
(b)
December 24, 1992 (2 pp.)
35a. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Boris Yeltsin, President of Russia, on December
12/24/92
(b)(1)
24th (4 pp.)
35b. Talking Points Re: Points To Be Made for Telephone Call with President Boris
12/24/92
(b)(1)
Yeltsin (2 pp.)
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Presidential Telephone Calls - Memorandum of Conversations 11/5/92 - 1/2/93
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2/9/2009
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Date
Restriction
Classification
36. Telcon
Re: Telcon with President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt on January 2,
1/2/93
(b)(1)
&
1993 (2 pp.)
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91113-006
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2/9/2009
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Re: Telcon with King Juan Carlos of Spain on November 5,
11/5/92
(b)(1)
C
1992
[FOIA EXEMPTIONS REDACTED] (2 pp.)
Collection:
Document Partially Declassified
Record Group:
Bush Presidential Records
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Office:
Scowcroft, Brent, Files
By MM
on 11/6/2013
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Presidential Correspondence Files
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Presidential Telcon Files
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Presidential Telephone Calls - Memorandum of Conversations 11/5/92 - 1/2/93
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91113-006
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2009-0275-S
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AR Case #:
MR Case #:
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Released in Part
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PRM. Removed as a personal record misfile.
CONFIDENTIAL
CONFIDENTIAL
THE WHITE HOUSE
BUSH PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY
8344
WASHINGTON
MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT:
Telecon with King Juan Carlos of Spain on
November 5, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
DECLASSIFIED IN PART
King Juan Carlos
PER E.O. 13526
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Tony Wayne
2009-0740-MR
DATE, TIME
November 5, 1992, 5:44-5:52 p.m.
zr 10/16/12
AND PLACE:
Camp David
The President: Hello, your majesty. (U)
King Juan Carlos: In this difficult moment, one needs friends,
and the Queen and I wanted you to know that you have our
friendship. (U)
The President: Thank you so much. We do need it. We tried to
handle it as best we could, but it has been a very difficult
year. Nevertheless, it has all been very rewarding and making
friends like you was worth all of it. (U)
King Juan Carlos: We wanted to let you know of our friendship,
and I know her majesty wanted to talk to Barbara too. Let me see
if we can find her. (U)
The President: Well, it is wonderful of you to call. I remember
our wonderful dinner with Gorbachev and Felipe. (U)
King Juan Carlos: Yes, I had Gorbachev here this summer. It was
clear that he did not want to leave. (U)
The President: That dinner was so special and it is sweet of you
to call. How are things with you and in Spain? (U)
(b)(1)
King Juan Carlos:
(b)(1)
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The President:
Yes, but it is best to get it out in public.
When will you next be in the states? (U)
King Juan Carlos: I'm not sure, but my son may do a Masters at
Georgetown next year. His friends and his cousin have spoken
highly of it, and he wants to spend time at the center of
American and world politics, in Washington. (U)
The President: Well, I hope he does. He is a fine young man.
(U)
King Juan Carlos: Yes, it will be a good lesson for him. What
will you be doing to rest? (U)
The President: Barbara and I are going back to Texas for a
little rest with your good friend Bob Mossbacher. He did a great
job helping on the campaign. (U)
King Juan Carlos: Yes, he's a great man, and the Queen and I are
still using that pepper thing we got together. (U)
The President: The pepper-grinder. Yes, we use ours too.
Here's Barbara. (U)
Mrs. Bush: You may know that we are up at Camp David and looking
for mushrooms. (U)
King Juan Carlos: (Laugh) We wanted to show our sympathy and
friendship to you and George. I don't know where the Queen is
right now. How are you? (U)
Mrs. Bush: We're fine and, of course, disappointed. But, it
will be great for the grand kids. Give her majesty the best.
Bye-bye. (U)
King Juan Carlos: Bye-bye Barbara. (U)
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CONFIDENTIAL
8313
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT:
Telephone Conversation between the President
and President de Klerk
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President F.W. de Klerk of South Africa
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: John Ordway
DATE, TIME
November 8, 1992, 8:06 - 8:10 a.m. EST
AND PLACE:
Camp David, Maryland
President de Klerk: Hello, Mr. President.
The President: How are you, President de Klerk?
President de Klerk: It is wonderful to hear your voice.
The President: It is wonderful of you to call.
President de Klerk: I have been thinking constantly of you for
the past few days, President Bush. I have sent you a message but
I want to say personally that what you have done in your time in
office during this historic period in world history will be
recorded as a unique contribution.
The President: Thank you very much. It's wonderful of you to
call, and it has been a pleasure working with you. It's no fun
to lose, but it is good to hear from you and to have you put it
in that historical perspective.
President de Klerk: I. am a big supporter of democracy, but
democracy has one weakness at times, of not always recognizing
true worth and achievement. Democracy has dealt you a blow you
don't deserve. I know you will go down in history as one of the
great presidents of the United States.
The President: It's good to hear that from you, President de
Klerk. I have especially admired what you have been doing. How
are things going at home in South Africa?
President de Klerk: We have some delays, some due to the
complexity of the process and some artificial. But I am hopeful
that early in the year multi-party negotiations will resume, and
I am confident we will pick up the threads again.
The President: Thank you very much for calling. I hope our
paths will cross again. But right now Barbara and I are going
back to Texas. I hope to do some travelling, and hope our paths
will cross again in the future.
2
President de Klerk: This is some form of psychological
communication. I would love to see you in South Africa. South
Africans will open their arms and hearts to you. I would like to
extend an official invitation to visit South Africa when you are
ready for it, and experience the terrific dynamic of what is
going on here, when you are settled.
The President: You're wonderful to extend that invitation.
Maybe we will get to do it some day.
Thank you for your call. If there is anything I can do between
now and January, just let me know. We're still calling the
shots.
President de Klerk: Thank you very much. I would also like to
wish you and your family a wonderful Christmas holiday and all
the best in the coming year.
-- End of Conversation --
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03. Telcon
Re: Telcon with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel on
11/9/92
(b)(1)
C
November 9, 1992
[FOIA EXEMPTIONS REDACTED] (2 pp.)
Collection:
Document Partially Declassified
Record Group:
Bush Presidential Records
(Copy of Document Follows)
Office:
Scowcroft, Brent, Files
By MM
on 11/6/2013
Series:
Presidential Correspondence Files
Subseries:
Presidential Telcon Files
WHORM Cat.:
File Location:
Presidential Telephone Calls - Memorandum of Conversations 11/5/92 - 1/2/93
Date Closed:
2/9/2009
OA/ID Number:
91113-006
FOIA/SYS Case #:
2009-0275-S
Appeal Case #:
Re-review Case #:
Appeal Disposition:
P-2/P-5 Review Case #:
Disposition Date:
AR Case #:
MR Case #:
09-0740-MR(502)
AR Disposition:
MR Disposition:
Released in Part
AR Disposition Date:
MR Disposition Date: 10/16/2012
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(b)(1) National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA]
P-2 Relating to the appointment to Federal office [(a)(2) of the PRA]
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financial information [(a)(4) of the PRA]
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P-5 Release would disclose confidential advice between the President
information [(b)(4) of the FOIA]
and his advisors, or between such advisors [a)(5) of the PRA]
(b)(6) Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of
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personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA]
personal privacy [(a)(6) of the PRA]
(b)(7) Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement
purposes [(b)(7) of the FOIA]
C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of
(b)(8) Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of
gift.
financial institutions [(b)(8) of the FOIA]
(b)(9) Release would disclose geological or geophysical information
PRM. Removed as a personal record misfile.
CONFIDENTIAL
8331
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
BUSH PRESIDENTIAL 502 UBRARY
MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT:
Telcon with Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of
Israel on November 9, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel
Notetaker: Richard N. Haass, NSC
DECLASSIFIED IN PART
DATE, TIME
November 9, 1992; 4:05 - 4:10 p.m.
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
PER E.O. 13526
2009-0740-MR
Prime Minister Rabin called the President. (U)
3r 10/16/12
Prime Minister Rabin: Hello, Mr. President. (U)
President Bush:
Well, it is nice to hear your voice. (U)
Prime Minister Rabin: Pleasant to hear from you. I didn't want
to bother you right after the elections. I felt I had to talk
with you and tell you how much I appreciate what you have done
for the state of Israel. In time, many things you've done will
be seen to have been courageous for Israel's security and its
future. My wife and I are grateful to you and Mrs. Bush for
Kennebunkport. It was a real pleasure for both of us. (U)
President Bush: Aren't you nice to call. It has been unpleasant
for me here. I am sure that Governor Clinton will be working
closely with you. We tried hard in promoting peace in the Middle
East. It is hard to say anything right now because everyone is
so negative. But with time this will change. I really
appreciate your call. (U)
Prime Minister Rabin: In the meantime, we will continue with the
negotiations. I really appreciate all you have done. (U)
President Bush: I am glad that the talks are going on. I
understand you have had some border activities. ()
(b)(1)
Prime Minister Rabin: In a way yes,
guidance of Iran, without Syria trying to stop them, has been
active. I will not allow this to interfere with the peace
process. ()
President Bush: That's good. I am sorry you have had this
(b)(1)
worry.
(b)(1)
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(b)(1)
Prime Minister Rabin:
(b)(1)
President Bush: Good luck. My sincere thanks for the call.
Love to your wife. (U)
CONFIDENTIAL
8347
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT:
Telephone Conversation with Nelson Mandela,
President of the African National Congress of
South Africa on November 10, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Nelson Mandela, President of the ANC
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: John Ordway
DATE, TIME
November 10, 1992, 10:32 - 10:36am EST
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
The President: Hello. How are you?
Mr. Mandela: All right. How are you?
The President: All right. We had this election defeat, but
things are now looking better. I know the new administration
will be looking forward to working with you.
Mr. Mandela: I want to compliment you on the stand you took
after the announcement of the electoral results. You emerged as
a real patriot and a supporter of democracy by asking everyone to
rally behind the new President. It showed a remarkable spirit,
and I wanted to phone and compliment you for it. You have
emerged as a winner on the more important issues. I really feel
that many people have been moved by that stand. I want to thank
you for the support you have given us, which is a source of great
strength for us. We will always be grateful to you, and to the
Republican Party.
If I come to the U.S., I will come to see you.
What I have just expressed is not just my sentiment, but is the
sentiment of the National Executive Committee, and of the entire
ANC.
The President: I am so pleased that you called. This is so
typical of your thoughtfulness. Thank you for what you said
about my statement after the election. I said it because I felt
that way in my heart.
You have our prayers and support as you try to move your country
to democracy.
Mr. Mandela: Thank you for that. Please give my fondest regards
to Mrs. Bush, and to Herman Cohen.
The President: Thank you very much. I will certainly do that.
You were wonderful to call.
-- End of Conversation --
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Date
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Class.
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04. Telcon
Re: Telephone Conversation with King Fahd of Saudi Arabia
11/10/92
(b)(1)
C
[FOIA EXEMPTIONS REDACTED] (2 pp.)
Collection:
Record Group:
Bush Presidential Records
Document Partially Declassified
Office:
Scowcroft, Brent, Files
(Copy of Document Follows)
Series:
By MM
on 11/6/2013
Presidential Correspondence Files
Subseries:
Presidential Telcon Files
WHORM Cat.:
File Location:
Presidential Telephone Calls Memorandum of Conversations 11/5/92 - 1/2/93
Date Closed:
2/9/2009
OA/ID Number:
91113-006
FOIA/SYS Case #:
2009-0275-S
Appeal Case #:
Re-review Case #:
Appeal Disposition:
P-2/P-5 Review Case #:
Disposition Date:
AR Case #:
MR Case #:
09-0740-MR(503)
AR Disposition:
MR Disposition:
Released in Part
AR Disposition Date:
MR Disposition Date: 10/16/2012
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MEMORANDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION
SUBJECT:
Telephone Conversation with King Fahd of
Saudi Arabia
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
King Fahd
Interpreter: Prince Bandar
Notetaker: Edmund Hull
DATE, TIME
November 10, 1992; 4:09 to 4:17 p.m.
AND PLACE:
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King Fahd: Yes, sir. (U)
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The President: How are you? (U)
King Fahd: How are you? (U)
The President: It is so nice of you to call. Brent Scowcroft
told me your Ambassador said you would be calling. It has been a
gloomy week here, but I am cheered up by good friends like
yourself. (C)
King Fahd: I am happy to hear your voice. ()
The President: It is wonderful to hear from friends. Now, Mrs.
Bush and I are thinking about the future back in Texas. (X)
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King Fahd:
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The President: It was nothing at all. It was sweet and kind of
you to call. I look forward to seeing you whenever you are in
the U.S. Even though I am out of public life, I hope to see you
wherever you might be in our country, and I hope that you will
honor us by a visit to our house in Maine. You are a friend, and
I will never forget it. ()
King Fahd: Thank you. I will be visiting a dearest friend, and
we will do that. (d)
The President: Thank you. Now I will finish this job and head
back to Texas on January 20. ()
King Fahd: God be with you. May he grant you happiness and
health. (U)
The President: Thank you very much and good bye. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telephone Conversation with Frederick
Chiluba, President of the Republic of Zambia
on November 11, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Frederick Chiluba, President of Zambia
Interpreter: none
Notetaker: John M. Ordway
DATE, TIME
November 11, 1992, 8:37 - 8:39 am EST
AND PLACE:
Air Force One
The President: Mr. President, how are you, sir?
President Chiluba: Good morning. Fine, thank you. How are you,
sir?
I am in New York for the United Nations General Assembly. I
wanted to report to you that I and my country are very indebted
to you for everything you have done for us by helping lay a
foundation for us.
The President: How good of you to call. I have enjoyed our
brief contact. I am confident you will be successful. I wish
you the best in your ventures.
How are things going at home?
President Chiluba: We thought things were going well with the
drought. We have had a few drops of rain. But now we have had
cholera, with about 400 people dead. It is another catastrophe.
But with the support of the people we will make headway.
The President: It was thoughtful of you to call. Barbara and I
are on our way to Florida for four or five days of vacation.
I want to take this opportunity to wish you all the best for the
future. I was nice of you to call.
President Chiluba: You and Mrs. Bush are dear to our heart. We
pray for you as you start to serve the world in a different
capacity.
The President: Thank you. That's a very generous way to look at
it.
If there is anything I can do before January 20 to facilitate
things, just let me know. I am very hopeful for what you have
been doing, and wish you all the best as you take these steps
forward.
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President Chiluba: Thank you, and may God surround you every day
of your life.
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SUBJECT:
Meeting with Chaim Herzog, President of
Israel
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
James A. Baker, III, Chief of Staff
Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
Lawrence Eagleburger, Acting Secretary of
State
Edmund Hull, Director for Near East and South
Asian Affairs (Notetaker)
Chaim Herzog, President of Israel
Zalman Shoval, Israeli Ambassador to the U.S.
Nisan Limor, Director General of the
Presidency
Eitan Ben Tzur, Deputy Director General for
North American Affairs, Ministry of
Foreign Affairs
DATE, TIME
November 16, 1992; 10:00 - 10:40 a.m.
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
Pleasantries were exchanged during a photo op, but no questions
were taken. (U)
The President: I am delighted to see you and to have your
assessment of the world and the Middle East. (&)
President Herzog: I am happy to be here. Let me first of all
express appreciation for your leadership during Desert Storm. I
recall that we talked just before you decided to move. I also
want to express appreciation for your efforts in the Middle East
peace process. It is something that has its ups and downs like
the stock market. We have a very good team here and are working
with the Arabs. They have their problems. The Syrians are
reluctant to accept the guidelines for the process which you
articulated in Madrid. With the Jordanians, we have made great
headway in drafting an agenda. Then they got scared and tried to
make changes, not for substantive reasons, but to satisfy the
other Arabs. The Palestinians have the biggest problem of all.
They are torn among themselves, and there is no one to lay down
the law. Nevertheless there was an interesting vote at Bir Zeit
University this week. Two thirds supported (candidates who
favor) the peace process. One third supported the Islamic
fundamentalists. (c)
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The President: The fundamentalists just want to cut off the
peace process? (2)
President Herzog: Yes. But the latest polls show that between
two thirds and three fourths of the Palestinians favor the
process. They live under a reign of terror. Ten were shot this
week; six killed and four wounded. There is also the struggle
between Arafat in Tunis and the leadership in the West Bank. The
latter understand the rules of the game. They meet with us every
day. There is also the internal PLO struggle that reflects a
great disenchantment with Arafat's leadership. Still he holds
the purse strings and is surrounded by gunmen. (C)
The fundamentalists are the greatest danger all over the Middle
East, including Egypt where there is an incident every day. They
are also problems in Jordan and Algeria. They are fanatics and
are trying to obtain weapons of mass destruction. (e)
Nevertheless, we hope the peace process will move forward. The
Palestinians have no alternative. Jim Baker has said it many
times.
(e)
That is what is happening. In Israel itself, there is a
different atmosphere.
(C)
The President: You mean leaning forward on peace? (a)
President Herzog: Rabin is determined. No nonsense. He went to
the Golan and met with the settlers. He told them concessions
were unavoidable. (e)
The President: What was the reaction? (e)
President Herzog: He was attacked. It is part of democracy.
(e)
The President: Have we seen any results from the Peres visit to
Egypt? (Q)
Mr. Hull: Both Peres and Mubarak stressed regional economic
development and peace as a prerequisite.
(e)
President Herzog: We have a relationship there, too. The other
day, for example, I was having a lunch for an Indian delegation.
Foreign Minister Peres was called out to take a call from
(Egyptian Foreign Minister) Moussa. You have had much to do with
these developments, and I made a point of that in my speech to
the General Assembly of Jewish Federations.
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The President: We are now in a transition period here. I
believe the United States will continue to play a role as
catalyst. I will be meeting with President-elect Clinton
Wednesday, and I will discuss the Middle East peace process at
that time.
Mr. Baker: Except for Iraq, the Middle East was not an issue in
the campaign. I spoke with former President Carter at an airport
last September. He told me he made a point with Mr. Clinton of
the importance of continuity in the Middle East and expected it
would be the case. (8)
The President: I take it Mr. Shamir was not too happy with me,
judging from a comment I saw recently.
(C)
President Herzog: You are in good company.
(e)
The President: Sometimes you just have to do what you have to
do. (e)
President Herzog: There is a revolution going on inside the
Likud, too. Netanyahu won out on the vote for the next primary.
(C)
Ambassador Shoval: Now the party leader will also automatically
be the candidate for the Prime Minister. (e)
President Herzog: Netanyahu is leading in their polls.
(e)
The President: When will it be decided? (C)
President Herzog: In March. ()
Mr. Baker: Misha (Arens) didn't run? (e)
President Herzog: He is staying out of politics and
concentrating on making money. He is working with Eisenberg who
has factories in southern China.
(C)
The President: One can get rich in south China these days. Is
Shamir out of public life like Begin? (&)
President Herzog: No, he is not a recluse. I remember a visit
by President Carter to Israel when I attempted to get the Camp
David participants together for lunch. Begin regretted, but did
speak with Carter by telephone. I remember when I became
President. He was not pleased by my election and made it a vote
of "confidence." Some say it was the beginning of his decline,
but Lebanon was the problem. Begin felt the loss of each Israeli
boy killed in action. (e)
The President: History will treat him well. How is King
Hussein? (e)
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President Herzog: Ill. His address on television was most
moving. (e)
The President: I take it he indicated he would not be around
indefinitely.
(X)
President Herzog: He spoke of the Almighty's will, and he looked
terrible. You know the first delegation to see Hussein after his
return was one of Israeli Arab mayors. They had met with me
prior to going, and I sent wishes for a speedy recovery. Later
they reported that he cried when he saw them. They received a
most moving reception in the streets.
§
The President: The fundamentalists did not harass them?
§
President Herzog: No. King Hussein agreed to double the number
or Israeli Arabs who can make the pilgrimage and to reconsider
the policy of not accepting their Israeli passports. There was
also a meeting between a Druze delegation and President Assad.
(€)
The President: That is positive. I take it King Hussein has
been shifting his line on Saddam Hussein, but it is not clear.
Initial reports indicated something strong, but later ones made
it sound a little fuzzy.
§
President Herzog: There has been a major shift on sanctions
enforcement.
(e)
Mr. Eagleburger: According to our information too.
()
President Herzog: He has not yet been received in Saudi Arabia
although he was received in Cairo by Mubarak.
§
The President: Bandar did see him in the hospital, but I guess
he is not yet welcome in Riyadh.
(e)
President Herzog: He will go as soon as he will be received.
There are interesting developments with Jordan, but I am sorry to
say that they reversed themselves on a negotiating agenda with us
when the Palestinians resisted. King Hussein could call the
shots on this issue if he wanted. (&)
I also want to thank you for our strategic cooperation and
particularly the GPS (global protection system.) (8)
The President: I am not sure how the GPS will be continued in
the next administration. They have a different view. (8)
General Scowcroft: They are much more cautious
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and much readier to cut. It could affect
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General Scowcroft: It may turn out that they cut the space-
based systems more deeply that the ground-based ones.
(S)
President Herzog: We consider it terribly important. All of
your signals have made clear to the Arabs that there is no
alternative to talking. The first big move was Desert Storm.
That was historic as was the follow up. While Israel is
perceived as being involved in a strategic relationship with the
U.S., the Arabs see no alternative. The Arab man-on-the-street
wants peace. He is more sensible than his leaders. (e)
The President: How is Arafat's health? (U)
President Herzog: He had some treatment in Amman. You know I am
friends with his mother-in-law, Raymonda Tawil. She is very
able. (e)
Mr. Hull: Recent reporting suggests Arafat is better. He is
travelling again. But he still has trouble concentrating. (C)
President Herzog: He is unhelpful. (e)
The President: Why? ()
Mr. Baker: He is concerned about losing power to the West Bank
leaders. ()
President Herzog: The West Bank leadership is far superior. We
have dinner with them. We saw on television the send-off they
got to the negotiating round, and Israeli police were there in
the crowd protecting them.
§
Mr. Baker: I agree as to quality. The West Bankers are far
superior to the Tunis crowd. They have acquitted themselves very
well despite the terrible tugging within their decision-making
process. ()
President Herzog: It is very difficult for them. They live
under a shadow. (e)
Mr. Baker: They are fairly courageous. They are really living
in danger. We have had excellent cooperation from the Israelis
in protecting the leadership.
()
President Herzog: Meanwhile, in Syria, the rejectionists remain
active. He (Assad) could stop the whole thing, but is not doing
anything about it. (&)
Ambassador Shoval: There are ten terrorist groups still based
there. ()
Mr. Baker: Five Palestinian and five others -- PKK, Red Army,
etc.
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President Herzog: It is his menagerie. He controls them. I
recall your (Baker's) comment about the length of meetings with
Assad: bladder diplomacy.
(2)
Mr. Baker: He will outwait you. He sits there never changing
his position. You sit side by side, looking sideways until you
get a crick in your neck. (e)
The President: What is your schedule now? (e)
President Herzog: Back to New York then to Israel. Next Monday
President Mitterrand will be visiting.
(e)
The President: We have our problems with the French, but I enjoy
a pleasant personal relationship with him. He has terrible
political problems. But, tell him to do something on the GATT.
It will help everyone, especially the Third World. (S)
President Herzog: We have a conference the following day on the
European market. Maybe I will have a chance to say something
there. He is also going to see King Hussein. (8)
The President: Will he go elsewhere? (&)
President Herzog: It seems Israel then Jordan.
(C)
The President: Well, it was nice of you to come by, and I am
pleased to see you. (2)
President Herzog: I just want to tell you that you have entered
history, especially with your stand on the Gulf War. I remember
sending you a psychological portrait of Saddam Hussein. (e)
The President: I will have to pull it down and look at it. I
assume it had only bad things in it because this guy is awful.
()
President Herzog: One last question. As President of Israel, I
have the responsibility for pardons. I know these are often
controversial, but I do it if I think it is right. Jonathan
Pollard has now been imprisoned for seven years of solitary
confinement and is going crazy. Others have served far less for
more serious actions. I do not excuse his actions, but they were
not against the U.S., but rather for Israel. If I were you, I
would tend toward leniency.
(8)
The President: I appreciate your interest and think it is
appropriate for you to share your view.
(8)
Farewells.
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with President Rafael Callejas of
Honduras on November 24, 1992 (U)
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Rafael Callejas, President of Honduras
Interpreter: Stephanie Van Reigersberg
Notetaker: John McShane/Charles Gillespie
DATE, TIME
November 24, 1992, 9:13 - 9:17am EST
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
The President: Mr. President, how are you? (U)
President Callejas: Fine, Mr. President. How are you? I wanted
to call you to express my condolences for your mother. (U)
The President: How very kind of you. We went up yesterday to
the funeral. It was really a memorial service. My four boys
were there, and my daughter. It was a nice service. And it's
very kind of you to call. (U)
President Callejas: I also want to say that you have been a
great friend of Honduras. I was personally upset about the
November election. ()
The President: Well, thank you. You sent me a nice letter. I
just wrote back to you. I don't know if you've received it yet.
I just signed it yesterday. I also passed a special thanks to
you through your new Ambassador here. He was just in for a
formal credentials ceremony. ($
President Callejas: We in Latin America will miss you very much.
You have been a great President for Latin America -- very open to
us and interested in our region. We're worried. We're uncertain
about the future. We hope the new President will be as open as
you have been. We respect you very much and appreciate what you
have done. We are very sorry that it went the way it did in
November.
(C)
The President: Well, I appreciate that -- it's been a little
gloomy around here and, let me tell you, we'll miss it. The best
part has been working with leaders like you.
()
Let me say a little about the new President. We met the other
day and talked a little about Central America -- not as much as I
wanted because we had so much to talk about. I think he' 11 be a
good President for democracy in this hemisphere. And I'm not
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saying that just to give you false assurances. He's no dummy.
He's a smart fellow, and when it comes to your part of the world,
I think he'll be good for the region.
(C)
President Callejas: Mr. President, please express my thanks to
Secretary Baker. (U)
The President: I'll tell him. He's not here right now. He'll
be back this afternoon. (U)
President Callejas: I hope that next year -- once you get
settled -- you can come down to visit us. We have good fishing
down here and you are welcome anytime. (U)
The President: I've heard that. Maybe I can come down and knock
on your door and have a drink sometime. And let me make an
offer. Please come to Houston. We will be moving down there
and, I don't want to complicate the new President's life, but you
are always welcome to call on us in Houston anytime. We'd love
to see you. (U)
President Callejas: Thank you. I look forward to seeing you
sometime in Houston. (U)
The President: Good. Thanks for the call. Goodbye. (U)
President Callejas: Goodbye. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with Amir Khalifa of Bahrain on
November 27, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Sheikh Al-Khalifa, Amir of Bahrain
Notetaker: Bruce Riedel
DATE, TIME
November 27, 1992 at 2:32 - 2:34 p.m.
AND PLACE:
Kennebunkport, Maine
President Bush: Hello Your Majesty. (U)
The Amir: Good afternoon Mr. President. (U)
President Bush: I am just calling to see how you are doing, my
friend. You've done a great job in Bahrain and you' always
been a good friend. (C)
The Amir: You've done a lot for us, President Bush. You have
always been a friend of Bahrain and helped us. (U)
President Bush: Where are you now? At the hospital in
Cleveland? (U)
The Amir: Yes, they told me today that everything is fine. I
was sad to hear about the election. History will remember you,
Mr. Bush, you accomplished great things. Especially in the Gulf.
One day we want to see you in Bahrain. (U)
President Bush: I just wanted to wish you well. The Bush family
sends you our best. Some day our paths will cross again, I'm
sure. (U)
The Amir: Give my regards to Barbara. (U)
President Bush: I will. We're in Maine on the Atlantic coast.
It is cold but clear today. I just wanted to extend my regards
to my good friend and wish you well. (C)
Goodbyes.
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with Prime Minister Brian Mulroney
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PARTICIPANTS:
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DATE, TIME
November 28, 1992, 2:00-2:05 p.m.
AND PLACE:
Kennebunkport, Maine
The President: Brian? (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: Hi, George. (U)
The President: How are you? (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: Happy Thanksgiving to you. (U)
The President: It's good to hear from you. Brent Scowcroft and
I were just out on the golf course and now we are sitting down
with Barbara for a bowl of soup. (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: Well, I just got back from taking my
son to hockey practice. I'm hoping he'll become a star player
and I can retire. (U)
The President: That sounds good. (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: I just wanted to call to wish you a
good Thanksgiving. On Somalia, we are ready to give our support
for what you are trying to do in the Security Council. (c)
The President: Your support is appreciated. We are not trying
for any unilateralism as some reports indicated, but we had to do
something as the situation there is so bad. Larry (Eagleburger)
has been talking with Boutros Ghali, and he agrees that we need
to do something. The newspaper reports were out ahead of what we
are ready to do, but they were accurate on our thoughts and plans
in general. (c)
Prime Minister Mulroney: We'll be happy to support you with what
you try to do in the Security Council. ()
The President: That's great. A little bird has told me that you
and Mila might be persuaded to come down for a quiet lunch with
us. (U)
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Prime Minister Mulroney: Yes, we'd very much like to see you.
We have a few things for you and some thoughts that we would like
to share with you and Barbara. (U)
The President: Then its a deal. Let's try for January. That
will be after the Christmas rush. (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: Good, we'll be back in touch. (U)
The President: I don't know if your protocol people will let you
spend a night in Lincoln's bed, but we'd like to have you. (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: That sound very good to me. Talk to you
soon. (U)
The President: Good to talk to you. Good-bye. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with President Boris Yeltsin of Russia
on November 30, 1992 (U)
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Boris Yeltsin
Interpreter: Dmitri Zarechnak
Notetaker: Nicholas Burns
DATE, TIME
November 30, 1992, 11:19 - 11:36am
AND PLACE:
Oval Office
The President: Boris, this is George Bush. How are you? (U)
President Yeltsin: Good evening. I am fine. It is good to hear
your voice, and more important prior to the Congress of People's
Deputies meeting. (U)
The President: That is why I am calling. I wanted to wish you
good luck before your Congress. We are watching with great
interest. I understand that this is a difficult time for you and
others. I want you to know we stand behind you and the other
reformers. That is why I am calling. (C)
President Yeltsin: George, thank you very much for your call and
your attention and care for us. Well, I feel great tension
because the revanchist forces are still trying to make gains. At
the same time, we have been meeting large groups of Deputies and
other political forces. I had some in today. I have prepared
well my address to the Congress which will be a political report.
Still, I hope that it will be difficult for them to give us
problems. At the same time, I think it will also be difficult
for us to combat them. We are for democracy.
(c)
The President: That's good. I know it is difficult. I am
wondering if you feel it would be good for me to issue a written
statement today emphasizing our support for you and your reforms.
But be frank about whether this would be helpful. What do you
think? (S)
President Yeltsin: Well, you see, Mr. President, it would
probably not make a difference with those revanchist forces who
are against reform. And it won't affect those who support us. I
had meetings yesterday with many of the democrats and
intellectuals. But, at the same time, there is a middle group, a
swamp, which will determine the fate of the Congress. For them,
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I think your statement would make a significant difference. That
is why I think your statement would be a good idea.
The President: Okay. We will do that. We will put out a
statement in support of you and the reforms. I will do it
gladly. Good luck. If you ever need to talk, please let me
know.
(&
President Yeltsin: Thanks very much, George, for your support.
It shows once again that we had and will have good, businesslike
and friendly relations. I would like to thank you again for your
personal support at this time.
(c)
I would like to turn to the Framework Agreement on Global missile
reductions. I think that we should sign it together. We should
determine the timing and the framework. I think it should go
into history with you and me. I understand you might have your
own problems but why don't we invite Mr. Clinton to be present at
the signing. It doesn't have to be in Washington or Moscow. I
have already visited Washington. Maybe we could do it in Alaska.
What do you think? ()
The President: Boris, first, I sent you a letter proposing that
we conclude the START II treaty together. So, I have no problems
with the suggestion. I want to conclude it. That's the first
point. We don't need to go into the details now. But I would
like to discuss this with you when you are ready. I'll be ready
to talk. (S)
On the place and who attends, let me think about it. I might
have difficulties in going to Moscow. It would look funny to the
American electorate. But Alaska might be good. Let me think
about whether Governor Clinton should be there. We'll coordinate
that. He wants a START agreement and wants it signed. It would
be a unique thing in American transition history and might be
good to do. Let me think about it and get back to you. I will
get back to you on all this.
(S)
[NOTE: At this point, the line went dead on the U.S. end. The
two Presidents did not resume their conversation. However, when
the connection was resumed with Moscow, Yeltsin's interpreter
told Dmitri Zarechnak, the U.S. interpreter that Yeltsin had made
the following response to the President's last statement during
the call:
He said President Yeltsin agreed with the suggestions made
by the President on the Framework agreement. President
Yeltsin suggested that the U.S. and Russian Foreign
Ministers settle the details. He reiterated that he would
be glad to sign the agreement with the President. He once
again thanked the President for his support.]
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PARTICIPANTS:
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Carlos Menem, President of Argentina
Interpreter: Patsy Arizu
Notetakers: Robert Morley//Roseanne Hill
DATE, TIME
December 1, 1992, 1:17 - 1:31pm EST
AND PLACE:
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President Bush: Carlos, como esta?, Carlos? (U)
President Menem: Hola, que tal? (U)
President Bush: I'm doing fine. How are you? You are so nice
to call. Everything is fine. I'm getting ready to go back to
private life. I will miss you very much. (U)
President Menem: Bueno. George, I'll miss you too. We are
meeting as the Rio Group. There are eleven Presidents here, only
two missing. The Venezuelan President is not here, for reasons
that you can understand, but he is represented by his Foreign
Minister. And the President of Peru is not here, for reasons you
are also familiar with, because of the closing down of Congress
in Peru. ()
We want to thank you for all of your recognition and express our
appreciation for the support that your Administration has given
our Group during the past four years. For example, the launching
of the Enterprise for the Americas Initiative, which we hope will
continue with Mr. Clinton in the new Administration, and your
support for the Mercosur negotiations. We were also very happy
to see the NAFTA agreement go ahead and the promotion and support
given to the GATT Round by you and your Administration. This of
course is very important to all of us because it permits more
liberalized trade. And everything that the U.S. stood for in the
Gulf War and your participation in all conflicts in order to
bring about peace, and in the Security Council and also within
the OAS to bring a peaceful settlement of the conflicts in Haiti
and Peru. (c)
Our meeting is the sixth meeting of Presidents of the Rio Group,
which provides a permanent mechanism of consultation and
political cooperation on action to promote peace and democracy in
our countries. (c)
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George, there is a great appreciation of the United States by us
here. All the Presidents send you a warm embrace, and we wish
every happiness and success in your future private lives to you,
your wife, and your family. I needed to make this contact with
you, George, to wish you once again every happiness and also to
invite you to come back to Argentina.
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President Bush: Carlos, first let me tell you how much I
appreciate this call and your greeting. I think I'm the one who
should be calling you to congratulate not only you as President
of Argentina, but all the Presidents of the Rio group in terms of
democracy and freedom, and opening up the world to more free
trade. I don't know if the other Presidents are listening to
this conversation. I hope they are. I remember when you came
into office. You talked about a "birth of a new time". We
certainly have seen a change in our country and countries south
of the border, and I take great pride in working with everybody
in that room. You should be very proud of your achievements.
(U)
You mentioned Governor Clinton, my successor. I had an
opportunity to talk with him about the relationship with all of
your countries and their relationships with the United States. I
feel that he will want to continue on the same path and promote
democracy in South and Central America. And when I look at the
list of your guests there, the list of people participating in
the summit, I see the names of many friends, people whose
friendship I value. So thank you for calling. (C)
President Menem: Bueno, George. (U)
President Bush: Bueno, Carlos. You better come to Houston,
because I want a little more of you on the tennis court. (U)
President Menem: (Chuckles) Well George, I'd like to say goodby
to you now. The other Presidents have not been listening to this
conversation. But when I get back to our meeting, I will
transmit our conversation. I want to say goodby to you. I'm
sure we will talk again very often, and want to say how much I
appreciate this very warm friendship which I hope will continue.
(c)
President Bush: It will. I'm very grateful for those kind
words. Let me know if I can help in any way. (U)
President Menem: What? I didn't hear all of that. Would you
speak a little louder? (U)
President Bush: I just said, I'm very grateful to you. Let me
know if there is anything I can do for you. I want to help you
in any way I can in office or out of office. (U)
Hey, listen Carlos, one other thing. If you come to Houston, you
can see those two horses you gave me. (U)
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President Menem: (Chuckles) Well, George, yes, maybe I'll take
you up on that. I'd like to see the horses, maybe bring them
something. I know they are well taken care of. Again I wish the
very best for you, your wife, your children and grandchildren.
(U)
President Bush: Thank you very much. This call means a lot to
me. Adios amigo. (U)
President Menem: Goodby and good luck. (U)
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zr 10/16/12
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Barry F. Lowenkron, NSC
DATE, TIME
December 2, 1992, 4:45-4:54 p.m.
AND PLACE:
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The President: Brian, how are you? (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: Fine George. Thank you for your note.
I'll get back to you on this. (U)
The President: Well, if the dates don't work, just give me a
holler. We can do a combination of things. I'd love to have you
up to Camp David. Have you ever been there? (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: No, I haven't. The 16th seems good.
(U)
The President: Well, you can fly into Andrews or Hagerstown. We
can watch some movies. If you want some of the time to be a bit
more formal we can bring up some other people. (C)
Prime Minister Mulroney: It sounds great. We' looking forward
to it. (U)
The President: Well, Brian, I tell you why I'm calling now.
It's about Somalia. I've got some points here and I'd like to go
through them. I'm going to be calling other world leaders. I've
already spoken to John Major. You're my second call and I wanted
to run these by you and John to see if you had any major problems
with what I'm suggesting. (C)
We want to see if we can put together an international coalition
to establish the necessary security environment for the UN to get
the food in -- especially in the hardest hit region in the south.
We will make a major contribution, but it will not be possible
without others participating. I hope that Canada can join us at
the beginning of the peacemaking phase and then remain for the
peacekeeping effort. You've done so much, but it's critically
important if you could redirect your troops to the south where
the anarchy is the worst and the people are dying. Our military
will be in touch to coordinate on this. ()
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doing a great job in New York at the UN. We'll continue to need
your support in building an effective command and control
structure for the coalition. I'll be sending my ambassador in
soon to follow-up with you. Boutros Galhi has been quite
supportive. I'll be meeting with my NSC people -- and my key
military advisor, Colin Powell on this. We want the forces to go
in, help the UN and then get out. We want to make sure that the
warlords don't come back to their warlord ways. As we see it,
the risk in terms of lives lost is manageable -- these warlords
haven't had to face any force, so this is entirely different than
the situation in Yugoslavia and in Bosnia. At any rate, our
thoughts are that we're not facing a high risk situation. I
talked to Bill Clinton today. I told him I want to get in and
out by the time he becomes President of the United States. We
don't want to have this become a shooting situation.
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Prime Minister Mulroney: Thanks. What size force are you
contemplating? (f)
The President: I'll have a better fix on that after I meet with
muy advisors. A couple of brigades -- maybe up to 20-25,000.
Colin gave me this number but we'll pin it down at tomorrow's
meeting. ()
Prime Minister Mulroney: What's your timing on this? (U)
The President: We want to go as soon as we're ready -- maybe
within a few days. We want all our diplomacy in place first. ()
Prime Minister Mulroney: Yes, under a UN resolution. ()
The President: Butrous-Gahli wanted a UN commander, but with the
size of our contribution I said no. He understands all of this.
()
Prime Minister Mulroney: We have about 1,000 or about 750-1,000
Canadians there now for peacekeeping purposes and another 750 on
ships who'll be there in a matter of days. I'll meet with my
people as well. My inclination is that we'll be very helpful and
join in the UN effort to meet your objectives. (c)
The President: You've been wonderful. We'll get together with
our people and we can talk over the weekend. ()
Prime Minister Mulroney: Great. I tell you, once those warlords
see all the muscle they'll pull back. ()
The President: The problem will be if they pull back to the
oases only to come back later. I just don't know. But I do hope
they'll learn their lesson. ()
Prime Minister Mulroney: We'll be with you. (U)
The President: You're great. I'm looking forward to seeing you.
Bye. (U)
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of Japan on December 2, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Kiichi Miyazawa
Notetaker: Torkel Patterson
DATE, TIME
December 2, 1992, 5:57-6:07pm
AND PLACE:
White House
The President telephoned Prime Minister Miyazwa concerning
Somalia. (U)
PM Miyazawa: Nice to hear from you. (U)
President:
Thank you for the sweet message about my mother. I
am sending a note off to you soon. (U)
PM Miyazawa: I will miss working with you. What happened,
happened, you know. The economy is getting better. (U)
President:
Well you are right. By the way, I've been talking
with Governor Clinton. He will be fine to work with. He's a
bright man. He understands the importance of this very important
relationship, which you helped to build. (U)
PM Miyazawa: You are very kind. I'm still going to miss
you. (U)
President:
Well, I hope to see you in Texas, please stop
by when you have the chance. (U)
PM Miyazawa: I will George, I will. (U)
President:
I have some points that I would like to go through
with you on Somalia if that would be O.K.? (U)
PM Miyzazwa: Please go through them. (U)
President:
I'm calling about something very important for the
world community:
I wanted to do a real consultion with you and ask for your
support in helping us overcome the tragedy in Somalia. (U)
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The situation in Somalia has reached a crisis point. I am sure
the Japanese people have been moved by the pictures on the
television. Our people hurt also to see this tragedy. Thousands
of Somalis are dying every day. The problem is that
international relief agencies are unable to provide the food the
people so desperately need. (U)
As the Secretary General pointed out in his report on November 30
to the Security Council, the core issue is security. Despite the
UN's best efforts they have been unable to secure local
permission to deploy enough troops to do the job. We're dealing
with a handful of crazy warlords here. (U)
Now, I'm out in front on this, but I am proposing an
international coalition which would, under United Nations
auspices, establish the necessary security environment in the
hardest hit areas of Somalia. (U)
These peacemaking forces would get the relief operation off the
ground and running the way it should. They would then turn over
the task of maintaining this newly established secure environment
to a regular UN peacekeeping force. (U)
I am prepared to make a significant contribution of troops and
military assets. I do not believe this is high risk, but we have
to have enough troops to make sure we get the job done right.
But this will not be possible without the help of
others. (U)
Kiichi, I need your help in three areas: Troops, financial
assistance and certainly, support in the Security Council. ()
I know you have political problems with contributing troops, but
I'd like you to look at the possibility, perhaps for the
peacekeeeping phase. We're prepared to take a risk, to go in
harm's way; even though it's not too dangerous, some lives may
be lost. I would like to urge you to think about what I've
asked. (f)
And could I ask you to consider serving as a financial sponsor of
a poor troop contributor? An impoverished country. (
The contributions of Japan are so important. (U)
I don't need to bother you with every detail. I will ask our
ambassador, Mike Armacost, to follow-up. (U)
PM Miyazawa: Thank you, George. Now on your three points:
We do have a problem sending troops, but no problem with your
other two points. (c)
George, you know that Japan is contributing already $27 million
in 1992, so we are providing financial assistance. Yes, we are
willing to provide financial assistance. (U)
Therefore, I am generally in agreement with you. (U)
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President:
Good, I am glad to hear that. Just to keep you
informed, I'm meeting tommorrow with Dick Cheney, Colin Powell
and others on the military aspects of this. We can not let bands
of young kids with automatic weapons rip-off food supplies that
Japan and others are providing. (U)
Another point is that we are not interested in staying there a
long time. I see the peacemaking phase as very short. (U)
PM Miyazawa: I see the point. I want to say, that I appreciate
your leadership on this very much, George. We will support you
and see that the people are clothed and fed and help to eliminate
warlords interference. (U)
President:
Once again I am delighted to talk with you. (U)
PM Miyazawa:
I can assure you that you have the support of my
government. (U)
President:
Good. We'll be talking again before I leave the
Presidency. (U)
PM Miyazawa:
Good luck to you. (U)
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PARTICIPANTS:
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Kiichi Miyazawa
Notetaker: Torkel Patterson
DATE, TIME
December 2, 1992, 5:57-6:07pm
AND PLACE:
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The President telephoned Prime Minister Miyazwa concerning
Somalia. (U)
PM Miyazawa: Nice to hear from you. (U)
President:
Thank you for the sweet message about my mother. I
am sending a note off to you soon. (U)
PM Miyazawa: I will miss working with you. What happened,
happened, you know. The economy is getting better. (U)
President:
Well you are right. By the way, I've been talking
with Governor Clinton. He will be fine to work with. He's a
bright man. He understands the importance of this very important
relationship, which you helped to build. (U)
PM Miyazawa: You are very kind. I'm still going to miss
you. (U)
President:
Well, I hope to see you in Texas, please stop
by when you have the chance. (U)
PM Miyazawa: I will George, I will. (U)
President:
I have some points that I would like to go through
with you on Somalia if that would be O.K.? (U)
PM Miyzazwa: Please go through them. (U)
President:
I'm calling about something very important for the
world community:
I wanted to do a real consultion with you and ask for your
support in helping us overcome the tragedy in Somalia. (U)
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SUBJECT:
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December 3, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
King Fahd
Interpreter: Gamil Helal
Notetaker: Bruce Riedel, NSC
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992, 7:25 - 7:44 a.m.
AND PLACE:
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President Bush: Hello Your Majesty. How are you? (U)
King Fahd: I'm well and happy to hear from you again so soon.
(U)
President Bush: I am in good health and pleased to talk to you
again. I want to raise the Somalia issue and brief you on our
thinking. I want to hear your comments, too. ()
King Fahd: Mr. President, it will be my pleasure. (U)
President Bush: I'll run through some talking points then. I
know your deep concern for this poor Muslim nation that is so
close to the Kingdom. The situation there has reached a crisis
point. Thousands are dying every day. International relief
agencies are unable to provide the food the people so desperately
need. ()
I'm sure you are familiar with the report of the UN Secretary
General in which he reported that the core issue is security.
Despite the UN's best efforts they have been unable to secure
local permission to deploy enough troops to do the job. So what
I am attempting to do is to form an international peacemaking
force, under the United Nations' auspices, to introduce
sufficient forces into Somalia to those areas most hard hit. You
are familiar with the problem of the warlords and these teenage
kids driving around with machine guns terrorizing everyone. The
warlords are brutalizing everyone. They must be brought under
control. ()
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We are talking about peacemaking forces to get the operation
running. Then they will turn over the task of security to a
regular UN peacekeeping force. We are going to make a major
contribution, but we will need help, of course. We can't do it
alone.
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Some countries will deploy troops to the force but are too poor
to pay to help. The Kingdom can help by sponsoring some of these
countries' troop contributions. I hope you will do so with the
same generosity that the Kingdom has always shown toward
humanitarian programs. Of course, we would be honored to have a
Saudi contingent -- doesn't need to be large -- with the force.
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The UN Security Council will go forward with a resolution soon.
I will see my top military advisors today to work out the details
of our participation. I am planning on sending a lot of forces
to do the job quickly. We think a large force will meet no
resistance and the warlords will back down.
That is my message. I will have our Ambassador in the Kingdom
fully briefed on all aspects of the situation and he will be in
touch with your people.
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President Bush:
Thank you for your support. This is a humanitarian project. I
am always ready to talk with you, your majesty.
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I hope I will see you soon. Maybe
next year in the United States.
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Goodbyes.
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Pakistan on December 3, 1992.
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Prime Minister Sharif
Notetaker: Bruce Riedel, NSC
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992; 7:54 - 7:59 a.m.
AND PLACE:
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President Bush: Mr. Prime Minister, how are you? (U)
Prime Minister Sharif: Very well thank you. (U)
President Bush: Sorry, we had a little phone trouble there. I
did not mean to detain you. (U)
Prime Minister Sharif: No problem. (U)
President Bush: I want to speak to you, given your leadership
role in Somalia, about what we are doing there now. Let me run
through some talking points with you. First, we salute your
efforts there to date. You were the first to send forces to help
somalia and we appreciate that. It is clear now, however, that
others must join you to accomplish the task. (e)
As you know from the press we are ready to play a large role now.
The Secretary General pointed out on 30 November the core issue
is security. We are seeking now to form an international
coalition, under the UN's auspices, to create a peacemaking force
in the hardest hit areas. Thugs and warlords are terrorizing
Somalis and the relief agencies. (e)
The peacemaking forces will get the relief process off the
ground. This will be a short term issue. U.S. forces will not
be there for a long time, since I think all would agree that
would be counterproductive. A regular UN peacekeeping force
would follow. (Q)
The U.S. contribution will be substantial. I will met with my
top defense people today to determine exactly how large. (e)
Pakistan has been the first to help Somalia. We would like to
ask you to increase your force contribution both for the
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peacemaking and the peacekeeping force. I don't know if you can
help, but if you can it will be a great move. (e)
On timing, we are in close contact with Boutros Ghali. We want
the Security Council to act soon. Again, we are appreciative of
the role you have played. We salute you. (e)
Prime Minister Sharif: Thank you, Mr. President, for your kind
remarks about our role. We have done our duty as we saw it.
Will the new force be under the UN umbrella? (U)
President Bush: Yes, under a UN umbrella. We will command our
forces, and we will coordinate closely with other elements. (e)
Prime Minister Sharif: We will be very happy to raise the size
of our contingent. We were already in the process of doing so.
I received your letter today on this issue and we will help. (e)
President Bush: That is wonderful news. We will keep our
Ambassador fully briefed so that you can be in close touch with
us. I appreciate your leadership. (U)
Prime Minister Sharif: Thank you for taking the trouble to call
me. We will be very happy to cooperate with you on this. I only
want to say we wish you a very happy career after you leave
office this January. I hope the United States can continue to
play a role in easing tensions between India and Pakistan. There
is a serious human rights problem in Kashmir.
1.4(b); 1.4(d)
1.4(b); 1.4(d)
President Bush:
Prime Minister Sharif: Thank you. Let me extend an invitation
to you to visit Pakistan in 1993. (U)
President Bush: Thank you. I hope we can work on these issues.
I have warm feelings for Pakistan. (U)
Goodbyes.
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Telecon with President Francois Mitterrand
of France on December 3, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Francois Mitterrand
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Tony Wayne
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992, 8:14-8:23 a.m.
AND PLACE:
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The President: Francois, Comment allez-vous? (U)
President Mitterrand: Fine, George. I'm happy to hear your
voice. I am hoping that we will be able to talk often in the
future. (U)
The President: Yes, but you know I will only be employed for
another forty-six days. (U)
President Mitterrand: We'll, it is not only work that will bring
us together. (U)
The President: You're right. I might even make a little
suggestion in that regard. I'd like to have you come to
Camp David, perhaps for a week-end in early January. We could
have a relaxing talk. (d)
President Mitterrand: Yes, let's talk about that, let's look at
the possibilities. (c)
The President: Good, I'll ask General Scowcroft to follow-up
with your people on the possibility and the details. It will be
very nice if it works out. We could spend some time talking
informally as friends. Now, may I take a moment to talk about
Somalia? (c)
President Mitterrand: Yes, by all means. That is the subject of
the day. (U)
The President: Now that Boutros Ghali has provided his views to
the Security Council, it is time to act. As I said in my
November 28 message, the situation in Somalia has reached a
crisis point. The core issue is security, as the Secretary
General pointed out in his report to the Security Council.
Despite the UN's best efforts they have been unable to secure
local permission to deploy enough troops to do the job.
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The United States is proposing to form an international coalition
under UN auspices to establish a peacemaking force. This would
be a peacemaking force, not a peacekeeping force. It is needed
to bring the warlords under control -- we don't expect that to be
hard -- and to get the relief operation off the ground and
running the way it should. They would then turn over the task of
maintaining this newly established secure environment to a
regular UN peacekeeping force. We are willing to make a major
contribution to this effort. I can't say how much that will be
yet. We are having a big meeting today with Secretary Cheney,
Colin Powell and others to decide that. I want to underline
here, Francois, that we are very conscious of the contribution
which France is currently making to UN peacekeeping around the
world. But I hope that you will actively support this concept
and work with us to make it a reality. As always, France's
leadership will be vital. We can leave this for you to think
about, or I'd be happy to hear your immediate reaction. (X)
President Mitterrand: I can answer you right away. Certainly
there are some inconvenient points to this, but there are also
duties. We are ready to send an expeditionary corps together
with the American troops. ()
The President: That is great. That is as clear and good an
answer as I could have expected. (c)
President Mitterrand: I am not sure of the numbers or of how we
would work this out, but I am thinking of perhaps 2000 troops.
Of course, we haven't reviewed this in detail. ()
The President: That would be a significant and wonderful
contribution. It doesn't surprise me, but it pleases me very
much. ()
President Mitterrand: Now you have our answer. Our assistants
and aides must now work out the details. They are not all easy
to solve. (c)
The President: Yes, they should be in touch. We must also make
our decision today on the size of our contribution, and we will
be in contact. (C)
President Mitterrand: We must also decide on a timetable and
avoid becoming bogged down. (
The President: I agree fully. We want the peacemaking forces
out fast. I do not want to bog our new president down with a
military force in place. We think this can happen quickly. (c)
President Mitterrand: Yes, I have the same reaction as you.
The U.S. effort is important, and we are happy to join this
effort. ($
The President: We will be in touch on this and on the possible
visit. I hope it works out.
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President Mitterrand: Please give my best to Barbara. I look
forward to seeing you both. I have the highest regard for you.
From time-to-time we saw things differently, but I always thought
that your decisions were done perfectly. (U)
The President: Thank you. You're a joy to work with. (U)
President Mitterrand: See you soon. (U)
The President: Good bye, my friend. (U)
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Telcon with Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene
of Belgium
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Tony Wayne
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992, 8:38-8:45 a.m.
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The President: Mr. Prime Minister? (U)
Prime Minister Dehaene: Yes, Mr. President. (U)
The President: I was calling to discuss Somalia with you and to
ask for your support in helping us overcome the tragedy there.
Belgium has played a critical role in every crisis we have faced
during your tenure on the Security Council and has made
invaluable contributions to peacekeeping in Africa. So we start
with a salute to Belgium. Do you need a translator? Am I
speaking too fast? (U)
Prime Minister Dehaene: No problem. (U)
The President: In our view, the situation in Somalia has reached
a crisis point. You and we know the horrible suffering. We all
see it nightly on TV. Thousands of Somalis are dying every day,
but international relief agencies are unable to provide the food
the people so desperately need. The core issue is security, as
the Secretary General pointed out in his report to the Security
Council. Despite the UN's best efforts they have been unable to
win local permission to deploy enough troops to do the job. As I
am sure you are aware, the United States is proposing to form an
international coalition under UN auspices to establish a
peacemaking force. These peacemaking forces would get the relief
operation off the ground and running the way it should. Then in
a short period of time, they would then turn over the task of
maintaining this newly established secure environment to a
regular UN peacekeeping force. We are planning to make a major
contribution. We are having a meeting this afternoon to receive
the recommendations of our generals and the Secretary of Defense.
But it will be a significant contribution. I hope Belgium will
join us to support this plan in the Security Council and in
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troops which you had already committed to Somalia to serve in the
peacemaking force and then to stay on in the peacekeeping force.
Prime Minister Dehaene: I share your concerns. As you know, we
had already agreed to send a force to serve with the UN in
Somalia, but until now, it could not go because the UN was unable
to reach agreement with the forces on the ground. So on the one
hand, we will certainly support you at the UN. We need to bring
order there and address the hunger. On the other hand, since we
have already agreed to send a force as part of the UN effort, it
will be important that the UN framework be clear. We will
certainly be part of the UN peacekeeping. But I have to go back
to my Council of Ministers to get approval for participation in
the peacemaking effort. I will recommend that we participate in
both forces. One point that I need to address is to assure that
the EC will finance this. My first contacts suggest that this
will be possible. So while I must confirm this, it looks like we
will support you on the resolution and that our forces will
participate. (d)
The President: I certainly understand your need to have the
Council of Ministers approve your participation. Our Ambassador
will be available at anytime for questions. And anytime you need
to talk to me, I'm available -- this is our top priority right
now. Our top defense people will also be available, if you have
any questions. Again, I salute you. Belgium has been out front
on this. ($)
Prime Minister Dehaene: I'll talk to the Council tomorrow, and
then we can clarify our role and go forward with the details. ()
The President: Very good. Many thanks, sir. Good bye for now.
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The President: Hello, how are you? (U)
Prime Minister Amato: Fine and you. (U)
The President: Just fine. It is nice to talk to you. I am
calling to discuss Somalia. (U)
Prime Minister Amato: That is a great responsibility which you
have taken on to lead this effort, but I think it is the right
thing to do. (U)
The President: I wanted to share with you our thinking and ask
for your support in helping us overcome the tragedy in Somalia.
I know that Italy has special ties to Somalia and has been
working to find a solution. In our view, the situation in
Somalia has reached a crisis point. Thousands of Somalis are
dying every day. International relief agencies are simply unable
to provide the food the people so desperately need. The core
issue is security. The Secretary General made this point clear
in his report to the Security Council. Despite the UN's best
efforts they have been unable to deploy enough troops to do the
job. So the United States is proposing that we build an
international coalition under UN auspices to create a peacemaking
force which can establish the necessary security environment.
This would be a swift action and would overcome the opposition of
the warlords. These peacemaking forces would get the relief
operation off the ground and running. They would then turn over
the task of keeping the peace to a regular UN peacekeeping force.
So we are going to decide today about the numbers we might
provide. But we have already decided to make a major
contribution. I hope Italy can join us. (C)
Prime Minister Amato: I think Italy is ready to join. We have
our historic ties to Somalia, and we were already ready to join
the UN force. So we will be glad to join under a UN flag or
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under a U.S. command. The only problem is to decide how many we
can send, and that will take a little time. Already this
morning, we decided to send our people to the Pentagon to see
what the needs were and the timetables.
()
The President: I am so glad you are willing to participate.
They will be quite willing to talk to your people at the
Pentagon. We will keep your ambassador here informed, and let's
stay in touch. (c)
Prime Minister Amato: Yes, the world could not just stand by and
let what is going on in Somalia continue. (U)
The President: I cannot tell you the numbers yet for our forces.
But I want to go in fast and with enough force to assure that the
warlords won't stop the food delivery. Also, thank you for your
kind messages of last month and for all of your support. ()
Prime Minister Amato: Good bye for now. (c)
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SUBJECT:
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United Kingdom on December 3, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
John Major, Prime Minister
Notetaker: Michael Sheehan
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992, 9:30-9:45am EST
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
The President telephoned Prime Minister Major concerning the
present situation in Somalia. (U)
The President: Hello, How are you? I've got Larry and Brent
here and I'd like to talk about Somalia. Boutros Ghali has been
very supportive. Larry had a good talk with him. We have
reached a crisis point. The PVOs and the UN simply cannot get
the job done. The core issue is security, and the Secretary
General agrees. Our goal is to create an international
coalition, under UN auspices, to create a secure environment.
The objective is simple: we want to accomplish the mission and
get out, not to destroy every weapon in the country. We want to
get the coalition going and turn it over to a UN peacekeeping
operation. This is a departure form the normal UN peacekeeping
role. But it is not high risk and it must be done. It will be a
short-lived operation. I met with Powell and Cheney on this and
we are discussing the timing. We will make a significant
contribution and we will need others to support it. This is not
a frantic appeal. We will need others to get involved, we know
you are constrained. You are my first call on the subject and
I'll be calling others shortly. (U)
PM Major: I am wholly supportive. I think it is the right
decision. I hope it is low risk and of short duration. Not as
in the case of Yugoslavia. We are very concerned about the
situation in Bosnia, Macedonia and Kosova. I am embarrassed that
we might not be able to make a contribution. The Defense
Secretary is not optimistic. But we are wholly supportive and we
will do what we can. (U)
The President: We understand your restrictions. (U)
PM Major: Northern Ireland really nails us down. We have 17,000
troops there now. (U)
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The President: Yes, we understand. Thank you for your support
and good bye.
(U)
PM Major: Good bye. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with President Mubarak of Egypt on
December 3, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Hosni Mubarak
Notetaker: Bruce Riedel
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992; 10:30 - 10:35 a.m.
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
President Bush: Hello Hosni. I am calling you on Somalia, but
first I want to hear how you are and how your family is. How are
you? (U)
President Mubarak: They are all well. Your sister will be here
in a few days, this weekend. (U)
President Bush: She is very excited about visiting Egypt. I
hope she will see Susan. Let me turn to Somalia and read to you
some talking points. The Secretary General has noted that the
core of the issue is security. The UN has not been able to
deploy enough forces to provide security in the country.
(
What we are suggesting is a large U.S. contribution to a
peacemaking force to provide security for the relief operation.
After a short time, they will be replaced by a regular UN
peacekeeping force. The peacemaking force will take control away
from the warlords and gangs who are terrorizing the Somali people
and the relief workers. We will make a large contribution of
armor, of armed force. We will decide today at a meeting of the
defense leadership how large the force will be. I'm seeing Dick
Cheney and General Powell today on this.
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Clearly we will need help. I've been on the phone today to many
of your neighbors. Egypt played a key role in the Gulf and can
do much this time as well. We must show we care about the
survival of blacks and Muslims in Africa.
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We want you in both the peacemaking and the peacekeeping forces.
It will all be under the UN's auspices. The Security Council is
meeting now on this. My idea is to move fast with a lot of
power. Of course, some may get killed. Nonetheless, we think it
is a low risk operation. After the peacekeeping force is on the
ground, the United States will leave the area.
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President Mubarak: The peacekeeping idea is fine with us but I
need to consult with my experts and the parliament on the
peacemaking concept. I will talk with my colleagues in Cairo.
In principle, I agree to help with everything but I need to do
some consultations. By Saturday or Sunday I'll let you know.
(C)
President Bush: I think that is fine. You should consult. By
the way, Jim Baker is here with me now and sends his regards. He
saw Usama yesterday.
)
President Mubarak: Give him my best. We miss him in Cairo.
I'll consult with the people here on the peacemaking operation
(b) (1)
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President Bush: I appreciate your efforts. Tell your experts it
will be a low risk operation and a multinational operation. Some
other countries are already on board, Belgium and Italy. We
won't be alone. If there is any shooting, we will have others
there with us but we are ready to do a large part now.
(e)
President Mubarak: I will explain it very carefully. At a
maximum, by Sunday or Monday, we will let you know.
President Bush: Okay. Will you be coming to the United States
this next year?
(c)
President Mubarak: In February or March perhaps. I will look
for you.
President Bush: Well, we will be in Texas by then, but we can
get together for dinner and some fun. (U)
Goodbyes.
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with King Hassan of Morocco on
December 3, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
King Hassan
Interpreter: Stephanie Van Reigersberg
Notetaker: Bruce Riedel, NSC
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992; 11:05 - 11:09 a.m.
AND PLACE:
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President Bush: Hello, Your Majesty. This is George Bush. (U)
King Hassan: How are you? (U)
President Bush: Tres bien. (U)
King Hassan: Please again accept my sympathy on the passing of
your mother. (U)
President Bush: Your message meant a great deal to me. You are
very kind. I am calling you on Somalia. Let me run through a
few talking points. First, the situation is at a crisis point.
Thousands are dying. The relief agencies can not get enough in
to feed the people. As the Secretary General pointed out on
November 30, the core issue is security. The UN cannot get local
permission to bring in enough troops.
(e)
King Hassan: I am fully in accord with your initiative to send
troops in under a single command.
President Bush: That is good. We want to send a peacemaking
force in -- under UN auspices -- to restore order. A regular UN
peacekeeping force will follow to keep order. My request is for
additional troop contributions. I hope Morocco can help with
both the peacemaking and the peacekeeping force. Also, I trust
we can get your help in the Security Council. (e)
King Hassan: What you propose is a courageous gesture. Morocco
and I are entirely prepared to participate.
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President Bush: We will be in close touch then. We will
determine the size of our force in a few hours. The UN will
decide in a few days. I am glad to have your help -- help from a
friend the United States can always count on.
(e)
King Hassan: Friends are only there to serve their friends. (U)
President Bush: Thanks. (U)
King Hassan: Let us maintain our contact through the UN
missions. (U)
President Bush: I will tell our Ambassador. (U)
King Hassan: Best to Barbara. I hope you will vacation in
Morocco. (U)
President Bush: Thank you. (U)
Goodbyes.
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with Violeta Chomorro of Nicaragua on
December 3, 1992 ()
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Chamorro of Nicaragua
Interpreter: Stephanie Van Reigersberg
Notetakers: John McShane/Roseanne Hill
DATE, TIME
December 3, 1992, 3:54 - 4:04pm EST
AND PLACE:
Oval Office
The President: Hello, Violeta. How are you? (U)
President Chamorro: Good Don George, how are you? (U)
The President: Muy bien. Listen, I'm calling you on this money.
We' re releasing $54 million that's been withheld. We're trying
to arrange it so the bulk of the money will be of an early
spendout nature. As you know, its difficult to do that. We
support your efforts to strengthen the economy and democracy, and
we hope this aid will help you with your economic reform program.
The aid hold, as I've told you before, never reflected any lack
of confidence in you personally. (c)
Our difficulty has been these property problems and the killings.
We need more progress on resolving the property situation and in
investigating these killings in order to do what I want to do
before I leave office. The assassination of your friend, the
businessman, was terrible. I know he was your friend. I hope
this can be resolved quickly. So anyway, I salute you for what
you're trying to do. I hope you can do more and that something
can be done with those people who are making things difficult for
you. But at least there is some good news here with this release
of funds. ()
President Chamorro: Yes George. Thank you very much. Thank you
SO much George. It was such a coincidence that I got the good
news last night at 8:30 - just the right time. As we say in
Nicaragua, the bank was at the bottom of the barrel. It was a
very dangerous time. We had nothing more to give the people. So
the news of the $54 million was very welcome. There was a true
danger to our democracy. ()
I understand very well that you have nothing against me. We have
been good friends and will continue to be. You and Barbara and
I. Just call me at my home any time. I would always be happy to
hear from you.
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I know that the disbursement was difficult for you. It had to go
through many agencies. So I want to thank you and tell you that
we are working very hard on the property issue. With regard to
the property we had good news yesterday on the case relating to
the North American-Nicaraguan boxer, Alexis Arguello, who you
were kind enough to invite when I was on my visit. (e)
On the murder of Sequeira we are making progress, working with
the Spanish police, and we hope to have it resolved quickly. We
want good news on this soon. I hope by the time you leave
everything will be cleaned up. ()
President Bush. That's good going. I'm off running to a
meeting. Barbara and I are planning to return to Houston. We
send much love and best wishes to you for a wonderful Christmas.
Let's keep working on these problems and see if we can't make
more progress before I leave here. ()
President Chamorro: Yes George, my best to you and your family
for a merry Christmas. I got your letter yesterday. The one
dated the 16th of November. Once again you remembered to ask
about Marco. He is doing great. He will be home the 18th of
this month. Send me your phone number in Houston, so we can stay
in touch. My best to you.
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President Bush. We'll do it. Good luck and good bye my friend.
(U)
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SUBJECT:
Telecon with Boutros Boutros-Ghali, United
Nations Secretary General on December 4, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Boutros Boutros-Ghali United Nations
Secretary General
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Nancy Bearg Dyke
DATE, TIME
December 4, 1992, 12:05 - 12:14pm EST
AND PLACE:
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The President telephoned United Nations Secretary General Boutros
Boutros-Ghali concerning the situation in Somalia.
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The President: Boutros, how are you? (U)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: Fine, how are you? (U)
The President: I am fine, and so proud of you and your
leadership. I have just concluded a meeting with our Congress,
and they are enthusiastic over the UN action and resolution. I
will be talking to the American people in just a few minutes, at
12:30, to spell out what we intend to do. I want to thank you.
(U)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: No, I want to thank you very much. This is
the first time collective action will be taken on purely
humanitarian grounds. I have been often to Somalia. It is the
poorest. They don't have oil, only famine. I have been there.
They have nothing. This is important for the future of
international relations. I want to thank you because I have been
trying to mobilize attention to Somalia for the last several
months without great success. We are thankful and we have just
finished a meeting with our military staff. They pointed out
that we cannot concentrate all efforts on the south. The area in
the north to Berbera near Djibouti deserves the same attention as
the south. (C)
The President: We are aware of the problems in the north. Colin
Powell addressed those in our meeting. The initial effort will
be in the south, but we will not forget and we will help all
areas. I will get some criticism, I know. We do not mean it to
be open-ended. We are working hard with your people to get
peacekeeping in behind the peacemaking. We are going to move
very soon, and I am going to announce the warning order to
Secretary Cheney now. Landings will be with considerable force.
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I am sending you a letter of appreciation and spelling out our
objectives. (U)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: Thank you very much. I have received good
news from Addis Ababa. My representative had a good meeting, and
we hope to begin a conference of reconciliation January 1 in
Addis Ababa.
()
The President: Good. Anything like that is very good. I was
asked about restoring order to the country, and I said that is
not our mission. It is in your hands. I really just called to
thank you. We will do our job with compassion. There will not
be a U.S. lasting involvement. Larry (Eagleburger) came back
with appreciation for the wonderful conversation he had with
you. And, it took guts for you to express support so strongly.
We are working together. Secretary Cheney just came in; General
Powell was here earlier. Brent Scowcroft is here. Brent will be
in touch if needed. He is available, as are Cheney, Powell, and
Eagleburger, and I am available any time. (U)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: Thank you very much. (U)
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Telephone Call with President Turgut Ozal of
Turkey
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Ozal
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Jane E. Holl
DATE, TIME
December 5, 1992, 6:47-7:03am
AND PLACE:
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The President: Hello, Turgut. How are you? (U)
President Ozal: I am fine, George, thank you. I am just going
to Cairo to see Mubarak. I want to tell you that I was delighted
when I heard about your decision on Somalia. We will also
contribute to your efforts. We will go to Parliament. I talked
to the Prime Minister. We are inclined to send troops under your
command.
The President: That's wonderful. What size force will you be
sending? ($)
President Ozal: We have not made any firm decisions. First the
Parliament will decide.
(
The President: Well, if they're not ready now we can use the
troops for peace-keeping, if not peace-making.
(c)
President Ozal: Listen George, I have some recent news from
Bosnia. The massacres and rapes have reached terrifying levels.
The whole world is looking to your leadership again. I share
your view about the U.S. catalytic role. The massacre in Bosnia
will lead to demonstrations in the Moslem world, including in
Turkey. We cannot wait until ending. (8)
The challenges in the Gulf couldn't be over estimated -- I am of
the same mind regarding Serbia. There will not be much need for
U.S. ground troops. Turkey is ready to help contribute, with
others. Also the arms embargo must be lifted, George. They have
opened roads against the Serbs, but couldn't take action because
there was no ammunition. Your action now will help prevent the
spillover of conflict and you will also help the new
administration. (C)
You must act to stop the barbarism. It will only help the
fundamentalists if this goes on.
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The President: We're against that. (U)
President Ozal: The Serbs are not so strong. Only air power
will be sufficient to knock out their air force and heavy
weapons.
The President: I agree with you that we have to do something.
What disturbs me is, in terms of U.S. military on the ground, our
military doesn't see a formula short of Desert Storm to get the
job done. Second, we have a resolution on the no-fly zone and
that's being violated. We're concerned about what to do there.
There's discussion about lifting the arms embargo -- the matter
is being reviewed, but I've made no decision yet.
()
We're clear about the humanitarian case. I'm trying not to
saddle the Clinton administration with major new commitments.
Somalia was so appalling -- we think some of our young men may be
killed. I hope we are wrong. Bosnia is different -- the terrain
and so forth. (C)
I'm glad you called. I agree about the fundamentalist threat. I
don't want the U.S. seen as uninterested when Muslims are being
ethnically cleansed.
(C)
President Ozal: This situation is like Afghanistan. But there
is no Russia power. Only Serbian power, but it's not as big.
You only would need to use limited air power -- like Afghanistan.
(C)
The President: We're very tired of Milosevic and we're worried
about the conflict spreading. Turgut, this has been a helpful
telephone call. I'll share it will all of my advisers --
Scowcroft, Baker, Eagleburger -- I appreciate your words of
support on Somalia.
(
President Ozal: Only limited air power. No ground troops -- air
power will solve the problem.
(
The President: But how would you respond to the argument --
wouldn't the British and French troops be attacked?
(
President Ozal: No. I think the Serbs know that if they go
further, they would lose. Your air power would be sufficient to
stop them and give support to the Bosnians. Then we can send
people in to train them and we can give them ammunition.
()
The President: I respect your judgement. (U)
President Ozal: I will be coming at the end of January to the
United States. I hope to see you in Houston.
()
The President: Yes, we certainly will see each other. But we'll
get on these issues right away. Thank you again for your call.
(U)
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Telcon with Prime Minister Rabin of Israel on
December 5, 1992 ()
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin
Notetaker: Richard Haass, NSC
DATE, TIME
December 5, 1992; 1:42 - 1:47 p.m.
AND PLACE:
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Prime Minister Rabin requested the phone call.
(8)
The President: Hello. How are you sir? (U)
Prime Minister Rabin: Fine, Mr. President. I'm trying hard to
do what is expected of me. Jack Stein just visited and brought
me your note, which I appreciated very much.
()
The President: How nice of you to call, and how nice of you to
see Jack Stein. He is a good friend. (U)
Prime Minister Rabin: I agree. In addition, I'd like to
compliment you on your decision to send U.S. forces to Somalia.
I saw your statement to the American people. It took real
courage. People speak of the international community, but the
key is the United States. Nothing is done unless the U.S. takes
the lead. I will say tomorrow in our cabinet meeting that I
talked with you and congratulated you.
(
The President: That is so thoughtful. I really appreciate it.
We are getting good support. There is some nitpicking, such as
from my friends at The New York Times. But we are on the right
track. This is not high risk I believe, even though it will be
high cost. I worried about whether to do this, though.
(&
Prime Minister Rabin: I take your open invitation to visit when
I come to visit; I would like to visit with you in Texas.
()
The President: That would be great. I think it will go well
between you and our new President. He and I have our
differences, but not about the Middle East. I think you' find
him enjoyable to work with. I am confident that you will.
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Prime Minister Rabin: I hope so. I plan to be coming to the
United States in mid-March, and I will try to see you then.
()
The President: I look forward to it. Happy holidays. (U)
Prime Minister Rabin: Thank you. (U)
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Telcon with President Rafael Calderon of
Costa Rica
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Rafael Calderon of Costa Rica
Interpreter: Barbara Phillips
Notetaker: John F. McShane/Roseanne Hill
DATE, TIME
December 7, 1992, 11:36 - 11:50am EST
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
The President: Rafael. Is that you? (U)
President Calderon: George? (U)
The President: Is this the President? (U)
President Calderon: Yes sir, it's a great pleasure to hear you.
(U)
The President: My golly, I'm glad to talk to you. I'm calling
you to follow up on your letter. I know that you want to talk
about the situation with the property claims. I'm calling about
the outstanding cases and all of that. ($
President Calderon: Thank you very much Mr. President. Thank
you very much for calling me. This is the first time I've called
you in four years, but this is a question of great gravity. ()
President Bush. I've been wanting to talk to you. You've been a
good friend, and I want to be as helpful as I can. Our problem
is that these darn cases have gone on for so long. But I'd like
to hear you explain these cases to me. ()
President Calderon: For many years, Mr. President, these cases
have been outstanding. No government has been able to do
anything about them. Knowing how much you are concerned about
this issue, the first thing I did was establish a commission to
look at these seven cases involving American citizens. Of the
seven cases, already three are in an arbitration process
consented to by both the U.S. citizens and the Costa Rican
parties. Of another three, one of them has already been resolved
and the expropriation lifted. Another is in the courts, and in
the third case, we have put $1 million into an account for the
heirs of the person involved. Only one case has been left
pending. This one has not seen any progress, but I personally
received the citizen involved in this case last Friday and I
personally will direct the followup to that case. (C)
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In view of this situation, I believe that it was reasonable that
the United States withheld the $10 million in assistance until we
made progress toward the resolution of these cases. However, now
I believe that it is excessive and unfair that, after all that we
have done to modernize our economic structures and to open our
economy, you would prevent us from receiving the loans from the
World Bank and the IDB.
()
The President: Let me say this to explain my situation. The
only real difficulty, and it's a real one for me, is the Gonzalez
Amendment. That Amendment instructs our representatives at the
international financial institutions to vote against any loan for
a country that has expropriated property from U.S. citizens. So
let me ask our people, given what you've told me about the cases,
to see if we can get an exemption from this Gonzalez Amendment.
()
We salute you for what you've done on the economic reforms --
trade liberalization, privatization, and all of that. My only
problem is a technical one on the issue of expropriations. So
let me go back now and talk to my people to see if there is a way
on these cases you mention to let us proceed -- any way that may
be helpful to you.
()
I know that Treasury hoped you would be able to hold back on
going forward on the loans until these matters are resolved. But
let me go back now after this talk and see if there is
flexibility on this question, a question that is very important
to you.
()
President Calderon: Mr. President, I will thank you for anything
you can do. The courts in Costa Rica are courts that are trusted
internationally and are products of a solid democracy of 100
years. In this last case that we were talking about, the land
has been made into an ecological park. The owners have not let
us assess the property, and this, of course, is a problem. We
need an assessment to resolve the case. But they have used
Costa Rican law to hinder the process.
()
And one more detail, I wanted to tell you in that in spite of
all, I have done my best to look at all of the cases and I have
all of the details of this situation. I have even accepted
offers from the U.S. citizens. I will commit to you that I will
do everything I can personally to look after the resolution of
these expropriations.
The President: That's very important. Rafael, let me go back
and see what we can do. Thanks for your clarification. I want
you to understand one thing. Please understand that I have
certain constraints on me under this Gonzalez amendment.
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President Calderon: Thank you very much, Mr. President. (U)
The President: We'll take a look. I hope you and your
wonderful family have a happy Christmas. If you ever get to
Texas
(Interrupted by Calderon) (U)
President Calderon: Thank you. Please say hello to Barbara and
I wish you a merry Christmas. (U)
The President: I'll do it. We're going to Houston soon and I
hope you can come to Houston to see us. (U)
President Calderon: Thank you. I expect to see you in Houston
soon. And now that you won't be so busy, please come to Costa
Rica to fish for sailfish. (U)
The President: There's a good offer. I'll get my hat on and get
started. (U)
President Calderon: Thank you very much, Mr. President. (U)
President Bush: Thank you very much sir. Good bye. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telephone Conversation with UN Secretary
General Boutros Boutros-Ghali
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Boutros Boutros-Ghali
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: John M. Ordway
DATE, TIME
December 8, 1992, 12:22 - 12:29 p.m.
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
The President: Boutros, is that you? How are you, sir? (U)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: Very good, thank you, Mr. President. (U)
The President: I just wanted to call you and thank you again for
your work to get through the resolution on Somalia. I also
wanted to report on a call I just had about two hours ago with
Robert Oakley. Do you know him? (C)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: Yes, Mr. President, I do. I spent about
two hours with him. He is having good cooperation with
Ambassador Kittani in Addis Ababa and in Mogadishu.
(
The President: It is important to get that good cooperation.
Ismat Kittani and I go back a long way. You have a good man
there. (X)
I wanted to get in touch with you because of the phone call with
Oakley. He was quite upbeat on the press, on the NGOs, and on
cooperation from the warlords with him and Kittani, and with each
other. ()
I just wanted to share this with you, because I am sure that you
worry about the situation, like I do. ()
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: Thank you very much, Mr. President. It is
very important. You will go down in history as the initiator of
the first humanitarian intervention in history. This is very
important for the world community, and for the United Nations. I
am getting lots of letters from presidents and foreign ministers.
I just got one from the foreign minister of Namibia, from
Mauritania, from President Gouled of Djibouti. I have lots of
messages thanking the UN for the work we are doing there. (c)
I am sure this will be a success. It will be important for
Africa, and for the international community. (U)
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The President: We'll keep you informed. We have quite a big
force going in there. I don't want any of them to be killed. I
hope there will be no confrontations. We are not going in for a
fight, but hope there will be understanding in the world
community if we do what we have to do to protect the mission.
They are going in a very open way. I worry that a hopped-up kid
with one of these Toyotas may shoot at the Marines, and there
will be consequences.
()
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: Disarming of the gangs, and of the heavy
weapons, will be important. If you can give some compensation
for the weapons, it might help. As long as they have arms, we
will not have peace. (c)
The President: I agrees it is important. But we have not made
it part of our mission statement. The world may turn on us if we
don't do what we said we would do. We need peacekeepers coming
in quickly behind us.
()
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: I agree. (U)
The second idea concerns concentrating the effort on the south.
You know, we have the same situation in the north in Berbera and
Hargeysa. The situation there is worse than the south. We have
not even been able to get in. I mentioned this to the military
team that came to brief me, which agreed that the second step
must reach the north.
()
The President: We have talked to your people and will keep this
under consideration for whatever steps are needed. ()
Will you be around for the holidays, or are you going home? (U)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: No, I am going to Somalia at the beginning
of the year and will have a conference in Addis Ababa with the
Somali leaders. I want to show the division of labor, with the
UN doing the humanitarian and reconciliation aspects. I hope to
be in Addis Ababa at the beginning of the year to see if we can
have a preparatory meeting.
()
The President: Will this be under OAU auspices?
(
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: No, it will be a UN meeting, but in
cooperation with the OAU and other organizations.
()
The President: We have an interest in keeping Africans on board.
We have a lot of African-Americans here. But I was also
concerned that the Africans would understand what we are doing in
Somalia.
(C)
UNSYG Boutros-Ghali: No, Mr. President, you have a lot of
support. You have Nigeria, Egypt, Morocco, Senegal -- you have
real support from African countries.
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I also hope to be in Geneva in January to look at the Bosnian
situation. I want to make sure that we don't give the impression
that we are ignoring the situation there.
(c)
The President: I'd like to talk to you about Bosnia at some
point.
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with President Carlos Salinas of
Mexico and Prime Minister Brian Mulroney of
Canada
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PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Salinas
Prime Minister Mulroney
Interpreter: None
Notetakers: Robert Morley/Roseanne Hill
DATE, TIME
December 17, 1992, 9:14 - 9:21 EST
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
Prime Minister Mulroney: Hello, Carlos, how are you? This is
Brian. (U)
President Salinas: I'm fine. (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: Up here in Canada, we are doing a
television series on Mexico. The series is very good. Everyone
is learning a lot about your country. (U)
President Salinas: Really? I didn't know that. (U)
The President: (Coming on the line) Hello, Brian and Carlos, are
you on there? How are you? And Merry Christmas to you both.
This is just a hurray call. I'm very excited about what we have
achieved together. I will be putting my signature on this
document this afternoon, but wondered if you had any last minute
thoughts? (U)
President Salinas: You are very kind. This is a very important
time for us. I wanted to thank you for your courage and
determination to finish this agreement. Without you, we would
never have succeeded. (U)
The President: You both have been courageous as well. It rests
with your diplomacy to see it gets through now. I know you have
been in touch with Bill Clinton, Carlos, and I have too. I think
he will want to move right along with this. I hope there won't
be any new demands or sticking points with the new Congress.
U.S. -Mexican relations are very good now, and I don't want
anything to happen that would embarrass either of us. It is my
fervent hope everything will go well. I think Clinton will look
on the agreement positively, and support it.
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Prime Minister Mulroney: Well, George and Carlos, from
everything we have heard, I think all the difficulties can be
accommodated in the framework of the agreement and any problems
can be worked out. We think this agreement will be viewed as a
great benchmark of the decade. George, your stewardship and
determination made it all possible. The NAFTA is the most
significant trade agreement ever negotiated, and we owe it all to
you. I also want to say, Carlos, that Canada is delighted that
Mexico will be joining in the very special relationship that has
always existed between Canada and the United States. I
congratulate both of you.
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The President: Thank you. And how are things at your end,
Carlos? Okay? (U)
President Salinas: Everything looks fine. The latest poll shows
65% of the Mexican population favor the agreement. The rest were
not against it, but wanted more information about it. Our
population knows it will be good for our children, for our future
generations. (U)
The President: I think it's good. We are going to the OAS to
sign the agreement. It will be a good setting to talk about the
NAFTA and the importance we place on our relations south of the
border. Sometimes we take it for granted. I will give a little
talk about our relations and sign the agreement there.
()
Prime Minister Mulroney: I'm going to the House of Commons at
11:00 today and signing there. We will bring in the leaders who
have been involved in free trade since 1985. I'll make a
statement and sign the agreement at 11:15 this morning.
(2)
President Salinas: We will do it at 1:30. That is Mexico time,
which is one hour earlier than Washington. So I will be signing
the agreement at the same time that you do, George. I'm bringing
in all the governors, members of congress, cabinet officials, and
other dignitaries. It will be a very important event here shown
live on national TV. (U)
The President: I understand I have a spy there, my son Jeb. His
wife is here. Carlos, I don't know if you remember his wife is
Mexican. She keeps up with her Mexican heritage for her
children. It is a very personal thing for her.
()
Prime Minister Mulroney: I'll do it before you because I am
seeing John Major this afternoon. He is here on a visit. (U)
The President: That's right. If you know of any questions that
he will want to raise with me, let me know. We'll be meeting
tomorrow.
()
Prime Minister Mulroney: I will call you for sure. Two things
I'll always remember -- your statement on the NAFTA agreement and
the 1992 World Series. (U)
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The President: Oh yes, Carlos, he's talking about the Toronto
Blue Jays winning the World Series and rubbing my nose in it. I
guess we'll never stop getting flack about that. I'm SO pleased
to talk to you both again, especially at Christmas time. (U)
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Prime Minister Mulroney: Thank you. All the best to you for
the holidays.
(U)
President Salinas: Thank you and my best to you and your family.
In Mexico you will always be welcome. (U)
The President: I wish you the same. I will be talking to you
both again, but for now, have a happy holiday season. (U)
Prime Minister Mulroney: Good by. (U)
President Salinas: Good by. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with Quett Masire, President of
Botswana on December 17, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Quett Masire, President of Botswana
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: John M. Ordway
DATE, TIME
December 17, 1992, 11:51 - 11:55am EST
AND PLACE:
The Oval Office
The President: This is George Bush. Can you hear me? (U)
President Masire: Yes, I can hear you, Mr. President. Quett
Masire here. (U)
The President: I'm sorry to interrupt your evening. I just
wanted to thank you for what you're doing. We're so pleased with
your strong support. The support of Africa is vital to the
coalition. I salute you. The commitment coming from you as a
strong democracy is particularly important.
(
President Masire: Mr. President, it is we that should thank you.
You have been great in coming to help Africa in our hour of need.
We feel it is only proper that Africa should help those helping
Africa help itself. ()
The President: It is very important to be shoulder to shoulder
on this mission. We want to establish a secure environment and
turn it over to the peacekeeping force. It could be a risk if
the U.S. tried to be a colonial power there. We are very
sensitive to this. We want to fulfil our role and then withdraw,
not expand our mission. We are getting lots of support from
peacekeepers.
()
President Masire: No, it could not by any sense of the
imagination be looked at as an expansion. It has been a shame
that humanity stood by as Somalia sank into a quagmire. I am
very glad you have taken the lead, and that there is a generous
response. (C)
The President: I appreciate that, sir. I hope you have a happy
New Year. I will not be around during the next year, at least in
this capacity. (U)
I was in Botswana once, a long time ago when I was ambassador to
the UN. (U)
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President Masire: That's right. (U)
The President: Maybe I could possible visit sometime in the new
year. (U)
President Masire: Please come. You have a standing invitation.
(U)
I have to thank you and congratulate you for fighting so
gallantly and bowing out so honorably. (U)
The President: Why thank you for your kinds words. Barbara and
I are trying to do that. I am pleased that you noticed. (U)
President Masire: That has been a shot in the arm for democracy
the world over. (U)
The President: You are very nice to put it into that
perspective. (U)
President Masire: Thank you and Merry Christmas and a very happy
New Year. (U)
The President: Merry Christmas to you, too. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Memorandum of Telephone Conversation with
Kim Young-Sam, President-elect of the
Republic of Korea, on December 19, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Kim Young-Sam, President-elect
Interpreter: Tong Kim
Notetaker: Torkel Patterson
DATE, TIME
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AND PLACE:
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The President telephoned President elect Kim Young-Sam to
congratulate him on his election victory in the Republic of
Korea.
The President: This is George Bush calling to congratulate you
on your victory in Friday's election.
Kim Young-Sam: Mr. President, I would like to extend my
appreciation to you for sending me a congratulatory cable and for
calling me now by telephone.
The President: You worked closely with me and President Roh to
promote peace and security in Northeast Asia. My only regret is
that I won't be able to meet you in person so that we could carry
on this important work. But I wanted to send you my best wishes.
Kim Young-Sam: Thank you very much Mr. President. The U.S. and
ROK continue to contribute to mutual prosperity and the
institutionalization of peace in Northeast Asia. I think the two
countries, on the basis of partnership, should continue to
develop close relations. I will strive to emphasize in two
fields, security and economics. I will do my best to lead into
the future.
The President: I just wanted to wish you well. I think you' 11
get on fine with Governor Clinton. I wish you the very best for
a happy new year.
Kim Young-Sam: I am certain that I will be able to work with
Governor Clinton. I will do my best to further develop the
bilateral relationship. I am sorry that you are leaving office
soon. I am sorry not to see you as President. I want to express
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my appreciation to you for all that you have done to develop good
bilateral relations and to promote friendship with the Korean
people. I want to extend my hopes for your good future. Please
pass along my best regards to the First Lady and have a merry
Christmas and a happy new year.
The President: Good luck and good-by.
Kim Young-Sam: Thank you for your call.
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Telephone Conversation Between the President
and Boris Yeltsin, President of Russia
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Boris Yeltsin
Interpreter: Dimitri Zarechnak
Notetaker: Nicholas Burns
DATE, TIME
December 20, 1992, 8:06-8:38am
AND PLACE:
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The President: Boris, this is George Bush. How are you doing?
(U)
President Yeltsin: Good day, George. (U)
The President: Good day. It is nice to hear from you. (U)
President Yeltsin: I just came from China. I would like to talk
about the signature of the treaty. (U)
The President: Good, good. (U)
President Yeltsin: George, maybe you can fly to Vladivostok.
Otherwise it would appear that I have been to the U.S. three
times during the past year. ($)
The President: Here's another thought, Boris. Once the treaty
is agreed to, what would you think of Geneva? I might go to
Somalia and Geneva is an international place and it might be
good. ($)
President Yeltsin: You want to sign the treaty in Geneva? ($)
The President: Yes, or maybe in the southwestern part of Russia
after Somalia. ($)
President Yeltsin: Well, what day in Geneva? I was thinking of
January 2. But if we meet in Geneva on January 2, I won't be
able to meet Clinton. (S)
The President: That is a problem. Has he agreed to meet with
you? (S)
The President: I am not clear on that. But suppose we signed
the treaty in Geneva and you flew to the southern part of the
U.S. to Florida or Arkansas. How would that be? (S)
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President Yeltsin: But I think Clinton will not fly there. (S)
The President: I think it would be easy for him to fly to
Florida or the east coast. That's where he is all the time.
(8)
President Yeltsin: Florida is not too far from Arkansas,
correct? (U)
The President: It is very close. I would think it would be easy
for him. Other places are Georgia, Jacksonville, Florida. I
would think he would accommodate your desires since it would be
easier for him. ($)
President Yeltsin: I want the treaty signed in one city, but not
the three of us to be in one city. I want to see Clinton to see
if he supports the treaty and how he will implement it. (8)
The President: That is why I said Geneva or a city in Russia
like Yalta. We would come there, then you could come to the east
coast. ($)
President Yeltsin: It appears to me that I will be making a
third visit to the U.S. This will prompt a negative response
here. While I was President, the U.S. President did not come to
Russia. ($)
The President: Boris, if I fly to Yalta, it would be a visit to
Russia. Then you could go to a east coast city to see Clinton.
($)
President Yeltsin: Yalta? Yalta is in Ukraine. (S)
The President: Well, what about a Russian town near there? (S)
President Yeltsin: George, how about Vladivostok? I'll fly to
Vladivostok. It would be easier for me. Afterwards, I could fly
to the west coast to meet Clinton. (S)
The President: Look, that is not an outrageous request. But I
am thinking of the length of my trip. I'll think about it. The
big thing is that we need to get agreement on the issues to
assure a deal on the missiles. (8)
President Yeltsin: The treaty has been agreed upon with you and
Clinton. And Kozyrev told me that the experts have also agreed.
(8)
The President: That is not my understanding. The big problem is
the SS-18s. We need to get the experts to see if we can have an
agreement. General Scowcroft is with me and he does not believe
we have an agreement on the SS-18 silos. (S)
President Yeltsin: No. They told me there had been complete
agreement on the SS-18s. As for the SS-19s, the point of
question is the 120 missiles. I believe we have an agreement.
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at our meeting. ($)
The President: You have made a proposal to us on the SS-18s. We
still have differences. We will stand behind our proposal in the
letter. I will talk to Larry Eagleburger, and you should talk to
Kozyrev. They must work out the details lest we be unable to
sign the treaty at the last minute.
($)
President Yeltsin: No. We have an agreement on the figures.
Kozyrev told me that everything is agreed to. All the SS-18s
will be destroyed and we will have only 120 remaining SS-19s.
George, let us agree on the venue and timing and we will induce
our people to get an agreement. I would suggest Sochi, a
southern Russian town. We have a beautiful facility there.
(S)
The President: What town, Boris?
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President Yeltsin: Sochi. It is close to Yalta and is a Russian
city. It is the place where Russia and Ukraine came to their
important agreement.
(S)
The President: It sounds very good since we will be coming from
Somalia. We can agree on January 2 as the best date. My other
suggestion is that tomorrow I will meet with our experts and get
back to you or Kozyrev on the details. I still believe that we
haven't agreed on the SS-18s. ($)
President Yeltsin: I agree to January 2 or 3. You can fly here
on January 2 and we can sign on January 3. ($)
The President: That's agreeable. But I still need to get the
details done on the treaty. (S)
President Yeltsin: Okay. When should Kozyrev get in touch with
Eagleburger on the figures? He said he agreed on the figures
with Scowcroft. (S)
The President: We will have Eagleburger call him tomorrow.
(8)
President Yeltsin: Then, both of them, Eagleburger and Kozyrev
will reach final agreement on the figures. Then we can talk
again tomorrow. We'll make an agreement. (8)
The President: Well, that sounds good. The only other decision
you need to make is on Governor Clinton. You can contact him
yourself or I can tell him of the change in your plans. It is up
to you if I tell him or you do.
(8)
President Yeltsin: Yes, I believe that I will talk separately to
Clinton for a meeting on the east coast or in Florida. But if we
sign the treaty in Sochi, fine, that would be a good thing.
(s)
The President: Good. We want to do it. It is a good thing that
the next U.S. -Russian treaty will be signed on Russian territory.
That is agreeable to me.
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President Yeltsin: Good, George. Tomorrow, I will get Kozyrev
in touch with Eagleburger. I will call you tomorrow evening.
We'll reach a final agreement. (8)
The President: Good. I don't want to appear obstinate but the
only remaining real problem is the SS-18s. Let's hope they can
work out the details. ($)
President Yeltsin: Okay. Agreed. So we will talk tomorrow
while Kozyrev and Eagleburger work out the details. (S)
The President: That sounds good. Let me go over the points we
agree on now. The translation has been a little hard to hear.
($)
First, I will fly to Sochi on January 2 to sign the treaty on
January 3. ($)
Second, Eagleburger and Kozyrev will talk tomorrow to finalize
details on the SS-18. We hope that will be accomplished
tomorrow. If necessary, you and I can talk tomorrow evening.
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Third, We will not contact Clinton. You will do that. But if
you want me to, I can tell him of your east coast visit. But I
will not talk to him until I hear from you. (S)
President Yeltsin: I am agreeable to everything you have said.
(S)
The President: Okay. Well, listen, have a great Christmas and
New Year. (S)
President Yeltsin: Thank you. I would like to give you my best
and Merry Christmas. I realize that we will now sign the treaty
before January 20.
(S)
The President: Will Naina be in Sochi? (8)
President Yeltsin: Are you flying over with Barbara? (8)
The President: We would if Naina would be there. If Naina does
not come, Barbara almost certainly would not come. (S)
President Yeltsin: Yes, Naina will fly to Sochi by all means.
($)
The President: Then Barbara Bush will be there too.
President Yeltsin: Very good. Give our best to Barbara. We
will talk on the phone tomorrow and clarify all the figures.
Merry Christmas to you, George. Good-bye.
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and Boris Yeltsin, President of Russia
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Boris Yeltsin
Interpreter: Dimitri Zarechnak
Notetaker: Nicholas Burns
DATE, TIME
December 21, 1992, 1:12-1:59hrs
AND PLACE:
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The President: Boris, this is George Bush--back again! (U)
President Yeltsin: Good day, George. (U)
The President: Boris, I am calling because I have now had an
opportunity to consider your last letter, and referring to
yesterday's phone call, would like to go over a couple of points.
Yesterday, I told you there were some points on which we were not
agreed. So, today I had a meeting with my top officials. I
believe we are very close to agreement on the major issues which
would in turn clear the way for final agreement on the precise
text of the agreement. And I am prepared to send my experts to
meet with yours in Geneva as early as tomorrow if we have a
common understanding on these matters. Then they can work out
the details. ($)
So what I would like to do now is to spell out the specifics.
First, that all SS-18 missiles be destroyed, both deployed and
non-deployed--that would include the SS-18 missiles in Kazakhstan
as well as Russia. The second point would be that all SS-18
silos be destroyed in accordance with START procedures except for
a specified number which would be converted in a manner that
would preclude the possibility of their later reuse for heavy
ICBMs. We understand from you that you need only to keep a small
number of these silos, and I think you used the word "a few
tens". I need to know what you think that number is. And I
think we ought to settle on something, you know, that is less
than 50. Boris, do you want to comment on that point, or do you
prefer that I finish? ($)
(Note: At this point, the line went dead. The call was resumed
some minutes later.)
The President: Boris, we're back again. (U)
President Yeltsin: Yes, I can hear you well, George. (U)
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The President: Let me ask how far we got in what I was telling
you.
(U)
President Yeltsin: The last thing I heard was that you suggested
we leave 50 silos for conversion.
(S)
The President: Yes, settling on a number not less than 50. Let
me finish my briefing here. ($)
President Yeltsin: Yes, I agree.
($)
The President: As you stated in an earlier letter, our
governments would have to agree on the procedures for destroying
the SS-18 missiles and converting the SS-18 silos, including
inspection and verification procedures. I think we are agreed on
that point. My next point relates to the SS-19s. I think we are
in agreement on the retention and downloading of not more than
120 SS-19 missiles in the existing SS-19 silos. Then my last
point is that we have met your concerns with heavy bombers with
the language that Eagleburger offered in Stockholm in which we
accepted several of your proposals. However, you must understand
that the U.S. must be able to reorient some of the heavy bombers
that have never been equipped for long-range nuclear ALCMS--air
launched cruise missiles. As you know, such B-1s do not count as
ALCM carriers in the START treaty. Now, I need to know that you
find our bomber proposals acceptable.
($)
And look, we need to agree on these major points. And if we are
agreed, we can turn this over to the experts to refine the
details. And if you are ready to proceed on this basis, I
believe our experts should be able to agree quickly on the treaty
document. Then, of course, the way would be cleared for the
meeting you and I talked about yesterday. So, I would love to
have your comments on all this.
President Yeltsin: I understand what you said and would begin
with your comments from the end--with the heavy bombers. Our
proposal is the following: the U.S. would have the right to
reorient the heavy bombers to non-nuclear carriers, then back to
the category of nuclear, but to do this only one time and, of
course, with appropriate verification. If you agree, then we can
go on to the category of SS-18s.
If you agree, then our military insists that of the 154 silos
remaining from SALT I, they be converted and be noted from space
and by on-site means. So, of the silos that are 39 meters, they
would be filled with concrete so that 26 meters were left. So,
thirteen meters would be filled with concrete. They couldn't
hold heavy missiles, only one warhead in accordance with our
agreement. So, if the U.S. is prepared for heavy bombers to be
converted only once, and verified by common inspection, then we
would want to have not 50, but 75 would be destroyed under SALT
I. With regard to verification, we agree that there should be
all types--on-site, silos and from space and any other kind so
that we can see that the silos have truly been converted.
(S)
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The President: Good. (U)
President Yeltsin: With regard to the SS-19 silos, our proposal
leaves 120 and makes it a single warhead rather than five. We
would leave just one and assure the silos cannot be used for
other purposes. This is what I wanted to say. ($)
The President: Well, Boris
(U)
President Yeltsin: The main thing, George, is that we are very
close. Our positions are practically the same. The main thing
is this connection to our framework agreement and that it can be
defended in our parliaments. Today I had a meeting with a lot of
consultants and serious debates with our military people. (8)
The President: Let me clarify one thing. Is it correct that you
want to keep, to convert, 75 SS-18 silos?
($)
President Yeltsin: If you agree to our proposal on the
conversion of heavy bombers only once.
(S)
The President: I think it sounds okay. I worry a little on the
details. Can I send a confirming letter so there is no
misunderstanding? We will send our experts over to meet with
yours. We will send them tomorrow. (8)
President Yeltsin: Kozyrev and Eagleburger have already reached
agreement on heavy bombers converted only once. This being so, I
was able to convince the military to convert only half of the SS-
18 silos but not all--that is, 75. And I think on the SS-19s
that it is a good understanding that there will be 120 of them
and they will be single warhead missiles. I also want to say
that in destroying the SS-18s, we will also destroy the silos.
The only thing left is the base foundation.
(8)
The President: Let the detail people work that out. It sounds
like we are in agreement. I'll send the letter tonight.
Eagleburger will talk to Kozyrev. And our experts will meet with
yours tomorrow. (S)
President Yeltsin: Yes, should our experts fly to Geneva
tomorrow? ($)
The President: Yes, Eagleburger and Kozyrev can work it out.
The experts should meet as soon as possible and if it is
tomorrow, that is good. I will tell them to go to Geneva. Let
Eagleburger and Kozyrev work out the details.
(S)
President Yeltsin: I will tell Kozyrev about the conversation.
He can talk with Eagleburger and the experts can meet. I will
expect to receive your letter today or tomorrow. I will tell my
people to show it to me immediately upon arrival.
($)
The President: It sounds good. I think we are close.
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President Yeltsin: Yes, George, I think we are close. I have
already set the people in Sochi into motion. Things have started
to roll. I told them it would be an important visitor but
without saying who. (S)
The President: That's good. I think its good. Lets keep it
quiet for now lest there be a last-minute hitch. ($)
President Yeltsin: Yes, we can agree later on when to announce
the specific day and time. (S)
The President: Good. We need to move forward as quick as we
can. They tell me the treaty language takes time to get into
form. ()
President Yeltsin: Yes, okay, George. I am prepared to do
everything necessary. I have enjoyed the conversation today and
feel that we are very close. It will be a historic agreement
that you and I will leave for the planet.
(S)
The President: Merry Christmas. (U)
President Yeltsin: And to you. (U)
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Telcon with Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers of
the Netherlands on December 21, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Prime Minister Ruud Lubbers
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: E. Anthony Wayne
DATE, TIME
December 21, 1992, 4:31 - 4:37 p.m.
AND PLACE:
Oval Office
The President: Hello, Ruud. (U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: Hello, George. (U)
The President: Merry Christmas. It's good to hear your voice.
(U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: I have no special reason to call except
to send my best greetings to you and Barbara now that we are in
the holiday season and a bit passed your elections. The Queen
also sends her best. She was here for dinner tonight. (U)
The President: Well, thank you very much and please give my
thanks to the Queen. I appreciated her letter very much, and it
is very kind of you to call. (U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: I just wanted to say hello. Things are
going well here. As you may know, Hans van den Broek is going to
the European Commission. He will be handling foreign policy
there. I will be a bit lonely here as we have been together for
ten years. I will now be alone here until 1994 when I leave
office.
The President: Well, everyone here has the highest respect for
Hans van den Broek. He has done a wonderful job, and he is a
friend of the Atlantic relationship. (U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: Yes, he will be very good for EC foreign
policy and for relations between Europe and the United States.
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The President: Is he taking Andriessen's place? (U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: It looks like Hans will do foreign
policy only and the trade portfolio will go to Leon Brittain.
But the final decision will be taken tomorrow. Jacques Delors
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and I agreed that Hans will do all of the political aspects of
foreign policy.
()
The President: Well, that is just great. I want to express our
thanks to Franz Andriessen. I know he faced a lot of pressure in
negotiating a trade agreement with us, and he did a good job. I
also want to say that it was great working with you and I will
miss that. (U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: Yes, I have great memories working with
you too. (U)
The President: Thank you so much for the call. I really
appreciate it. Merry Christmas. Now, if you get to Texas, I
look forward to seeing you. (U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: Yes, and if you come to the Netherlands,
I hope to see you. All the best. I guess you are still hoping
for progress on GATT? (U)
The President: Yes, there is a bit more we would like to do on
GATT. I may also be going to Somalia over the holidays. And, we
are trying to get a SALT II treaty done before I leave office.
()
Prime Minister Lubbers: All the best for the next few weeks. I
hope they are productive. (U)
The President: Yes, we' 11 try. Thanks for the phone call. (U)
Prime Minister Lubbers: All the best. Good-bye. (U)
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Telcon with President Kravchuk of Ukraine on
December 24th, 1992
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Kravchuk
Interpreter: Marta Zielyuk
Notetaker: Christine Potts
DATE, TIME
December 24th, 1992 at 10:58 to 11:10
AND PLACE:
Camp David
The President: Hello, Mr. President, how are you? (U)
President Kravchuk: Good day, I am glad to hear from you. (U)
The President: Merry Christmas. I am glad to hear from you. (U)
President Kravchuk: Mr. President, I want to congratulate you
and wish you a Merry Christmas. We wish you peace and
prosperity. (U)
The President: Thank you. I am only sorry I won't be in the job
next year to work with you as in the past. ()
President Kravchuk: Thank you and never mind. I would be glad
to be the host of you and Barbara to my country.
()
The President: That's nice. What business do we have to conduct
here? (C)
President Kravchuk: I would like to confirm the letter I
received from you on December 4th and express gratitude for your
promise to help us get rid of our nuclear weapons.
()
The President: I'm sure the new administration will also agree.
()
President Kravchuk: Both myself and the government and key
ministries -- including Defense, Foreign Affairs, and the
National Security Council -- all want to confirm that we will
stick to the course as I agreed with you in May of this year.
()
I also want to say that the Supreme Rada and various committees
have conducted two sittings to analyze the documents. There is
not any delay on our part. We are just studying the question, as
necessary, to be sure all documents are adopted.
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The President: Is there any way for you to make a public
statement of your commitment to START and the NPT, and also to
call for positive Rada action on the earliest possible date?
That would be good, and it would calm any concern here and in
Europe on this nuclear issue. Are you confident that the Rada
will go along with the government?
()
President Kravchuk: Yes, I am sure that the Supreme Rada will
adopt the documents because they have more elements of a deeper
understanding. We are still studying the financial issue. We
are talking with Russia on the question of compensation. The
Rada is now feeling better about adopting the treaties.
()
The President: Obviously, if there is anything I can do before
leaving office, please let me know. It is a very important issue
to the world and your leadership is vital.
()
President Kravchuk: The key problem is reaching an agreement
with Russia, but we are working on it.
(c)
The President: Maybe we can help there, but good luck. I surely
appreciate the call. ()
President Kravchuk: Thank you. As we are approaching the end of
the year, I am satisfied with the processes started in May and I
hope the next administration will also support this process.
(C)
The President: As we come to year's end, I'd like to make a
simple press statement -- no details -- to show that we are in
close contact if you agree.
()
President Kravchuk: I support your idea, especially the part
dealing with the essence of our course, that we are prepared to
go on adopting START and the NPT to convince parliament to adopt
these two treaties as soon as possible.
(C)
The President: Do you want to say that; do you want me to say
that; or do you just want a general press statement?
()
President Kravchuk: I think it is good that you tell it in your
own country and I will tell my press as well.
The President: That's fine. Have a wonderful New Year and give
my best to your family.
(
President Kravchuk: The same to you, Mr. President. Please give
my best to Barbara and all the good people of America. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with Suleyman Demirel, Prime Minister
of Turkey on December 24, 1992 (U)
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Prime Minister Suleyman Demirel of Turkey
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Jane Holl
DATE, TIME
December 24, 1992, 11:48 - 11:53 am EST
AND PLACE:
Camp David
The President: How are you sir? (U)
Prime Minister Demirel: Fine Thank you Mr. President. How are
you? (U)
The President: Well first, happy holidays, Merry Christmas.
Barbara and I are at Camp David with the family calling to say
thank you for the Provide Comfort extension. It is a wonderful
thing. Hope there is no grief on your side.
()
Prime Minister Demirel: No, no. We understand matters. We were
able to make our Parliament understand too. ()
You know, our soldiers are on the way to Somalia. (C)
The President: Well I know it and we're grateful. We're glad to
be associated with your wonderful troops. I'll be there on the
first of January to see our soldiers. (
Well, the other thing I'd like to mention is that I'm worried
about northern Iraq. I'd like to get your views on it. ()
Prime Minister Demirel: I don't think too many things will
happen. Saddam won't dare to do anything; that's my personal
opinion. He has troops, as you know, but I don't think there
will be any more craziness.
(
The President: Well, I hope you're right. I'm a little worried
about the UN trucks having bombs placed on them. We don't need a
flare-up on your border and a Kurdish refugee flare-up again.
()
Prime Minister Demirel: We have good relations with Kurdish
leaders and they are helping with our fighting against terrorist
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groups. We are continuing our fight with terrorism. I think we
will succeed. (&)
The President: Well I hope so. I wish you well. I wanted to
call on the first subject but also ask your opinion on others.
()
Prime Minister Demirel: Thank you. I think what's going on in
Bosnia is very bad. We've discussed this many times. We're very
sorry and the Turkish public is very upset. I know your
commitment. The CSCE and UN Security Council credibility has
been eroded. With the new world order how can we keep peace with
100,000 killed in Bosnia? I'm going to speak with Mitterrand and
have discussions with him about this. I discussed it with John
Major you know. Something must be done one way or the other.
(C)
The President: Well that's true. The Secretary General is very
wary of doing anything. Vance and Owen are wary too. We're more
forward looking. I met with the Central European foreign
ministers and told them we all should do more. ()
Prime Minister Demirel: Definitely, I know your view and we are
very close to your view. ()
The President: It's preying on my conscience. We want to do
something but we have to be in concert with others. It would not
be good to do something alone. ()
Prime Minister Demirel: Best regards to you and your family.
(U)
The President: Well, same to you. I'm proud of our
relationship. Sorry it won't be continuing but I'm sure the new
team will work out. (U)
Prime Minister Demirel: Well, we will cooperate and collaborate
anyway with the new administration. (U)
The President: It will work out. Turkey and the U.S. have a
strong relationship. (U)
Prime Minister Demirel: Thank you. (U)
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with Boris Yeltsin, President of
Russia, on December 24th
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
General Scowcroft
Boris Yeltsin
Interpreter: Dmitriy Zarechnak
Notetaker: Christine Potts and Niel Bleicken
DATE, TIME
December 24th, 1992, 1:43 - 2:31
AND PLACE:
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The President: Boris, how are you doing? (U)
President Yeltsin: Well, generally we're quite well, although we
do not celebrate Christmas right now. I want to wish you a happy
holiday. (U)
The President: I am calling on the START treaty. We've run into
difficulties and I would like to talk to you about them. (8)
President Yeltsin: I am ready. I received your letter and I
read it. The letter reflected correctly what you and I said
earlier and I agree with it. ($)
The President: Let me make my points to you because we are
concerned about Geneva. I will read through this and get your
reaction. Is that OK? ($)
President Yeltsin: Yes, of course, I am listening. (U)
The President: On the first day in Geneva, your experts said
they were without instructions. On the second day, they
suggested changes to the agreement you and I made on Monday,
raised new issues, and continued to argue very detailed heavy
bomber issues. We are now waiting for extensive Russian text on
several issues. ($)
At this rate I am very worried that the treaty will not be ready
anytime soon. Let me tell you what I am prepared to do to get
the process back on track for signing on January 2nd or 3rd. ($)
President Yeltsin: I would like to confirm that there can be no
changes to what we agreed earlier. If our experts state anything
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to the contrary then I will set the record straight and put it in
order. We agreed earlier on all the questions and some of our
military disagreed. Well, then, the decision has to be taken on
a political level.
($)
-- On SS-18s our agreement is valid; there will
be complete destruction of all deployed and
non-deployed missiles and production will be
licensed (sic);
-- Out of 154 silos, 75 will be loaded with
concrete -- 13 meters -- to prevent use by
heavy missiles. Some of our military
disagrees and wants up to 90 to 100, but I
want to confirm our earlier agreement;
-- As regards SS-19s, the number is 120 to be
converted to single warhead missiles with
verification by inspection or using
spacecraft;
-- As regards heavy bombers, our earlier
agreement is still valid. They should be
converted only one time.
--
Of course, the military wants to have a
higher number of SS-18 silos converted, up to
90 or 100, but if you do not agree, we will
stick to our earlier agreement.
(S)
(At this point the line was disconnected.)
The President: Boris, now that we are back on the line, I will
let the translator tell you the next part of my comments. Then I
would welcome your comments.
()
For my part, I will do what I can to get this process back on
track.
-- We will review your textual material as soon
as it is received. We will be able to adjust
the level of concrete poured into SS-18 silos
if the 13 meters is not a technically correct
level;
-- On bombers, I assure you that the numbers we
will offer on heavy bomber loadings will the
"real" -- that is, as the bombers are
actually equipped as stated in our June
agreement. (8)
For your part, if we are to have any change of completing the
treaty and signing on schedule, your people must be instructed to
implement the agreements you and I have made, rather than
reopening them or advancing new proposals. And, of course, we
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must receive the text of your new protocols immediately. But
how should we proceed?
($)
Once we receive and look at the rest of your language, we can
judge when our experts can meet again. That could be as early as
the first of next week in Geneva. But that would be pointless if
they proceed as they did during the past three days of meetings.
(S)
Boris, what can you tell me? (2)
President Yeltsin: Tomorrow Minister Kozyrev and First Deputy
Defense Minister Kokoshin are leaving for Geneva. The letter you
sent reflects correctly everything we agreed upon. I do not
intend to back down from our agreement and tomorrow morning I
could send you a text the same as you sent to confirm our
agreements. ($)
It is a fact that the military wants not 75 but a bigger number
of SS-18 silos converted. Should we heed them, the START II
Treaty would take another 15 years to prepare just like START I.
We can not afford such a delay. (S)
Tomorrow Kozyrev and Kokoshin leave for Geneva with the following
instructions:
--
SS-18 missiles will be destroyed completely.
Both deployed and nondeployed will be
destroyed together with their launchers.
Factory production will be banned;
--
Out of a total of 154 silos, 75 will be
converted for use with lighter single-warhead
ICBMs and depth changed from 39 to 26 meters
-- changed by 13 meters;
--
On SS-19s, the remaining number will be 120
converted to single-warhead missiles;
--
As regards heavy bombers, those not deployed
can only be converted one time -- only once;
--
All those procedures for destruction and
conversion will be subject to on-site
inspection. This applies to both missiles
and bombers. ()
This is our position. We do not intend to depart from this
position. Tomorrow Kozyrev and Kokoshin will go to Geneva; they
will do everything necessary to complete the work in time.
(8)
George, I think we have had some technical misunderstanding.
Those experts who were in Geneva were unaware of our agreement.
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The President: Well, that sounds encouraging. The next step is
to get the rest of your language, and I encourage you to get it
to us as soon as possible.
(S)
President Yeltsin: Tomorrow morning both Kozyrev and Kokoshin
will be in Geneva. Maybe Eagleburger should be there, too.
(S)
The President: Tomorrow is Christmas. I can tell you we will
respond as soon as possible. Let's wait to get the rest of your
text if we can, but what you have told me is very clear. Your
people told us they will give us some extensive new text, but I
don't want to waste Kozyrev's time either.
(8)
President Yeltsin: Minister Kozyrev will be in Geneva and I can
not see any other way. We can not let the experts determine this
agreement. (S)
The President: That is right. We agree with that. Let me get
on the telephone and get people to him as soon as we can. Thank
you, Boris. You are a good man. This is what we need done in
order to get the experts to follow our earlier agreement.
Barbara and I are looking forward to seeing you for one last
official visit.
(s)
President Yeltsin: Thank you for your warm words. I am looking
forward to the visit. I want to congratulate you on Christmas,
and send my best to Barbara. I hope you are satisfied with the
composition of our new government, which will continue to proceed
on the path of reform.
(S)
The President: I do not personally know all those people, but it
looked like a victory for Boris Yeltsin and that is good enough
for me. Good-bye, Boris, and my best wishes to your family in
this holiday season.
(2)
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Boris, my experts are on their way back from Geneva now.
They did not reach closure on the START II Treaty.
--
On the first day in Geneva, your experts said they were
without instructions. On the second day, they suggested
changes to the agreement you and I made on Monday, raised
new issues, and continued to argue very detailed heavy
bomber issues. We are now waiting for extensive Russian
text on several issues.
When we receive these documents, we will look at them. But
Boris, at this rate we are not now on a track to complete
the treaty anytime soon, much less for signing on January 2
or 3.
--
For my part, I will do what I can to get this process back
on track.
O
We will review your new textual material as soon as it
is received. We will be able to adjust the level of
concrete to be poured into SS-18 silos if the 13 meters
is not a technically correct level.
O
On bombers, I assure you that the numbers we will offer
on heavy bomber loadings will be "real" -- that is, as
the bombers are actually equipped, as stated in our
June agreement.
--
For your part, if we are to have any chance of completing
the treaty and signing on schedule, your people must be
instructed to implement the agreements you and I have made,
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rather than reopening them or advancing new proposals. And,
of course, we must receive the text of your new protocols
immediately.
--
But how should we proceed?
O
Once we receive and look at the rest of your language,
we can judge when our experts can meet again.
o
That could be as early as the first of next week in
Geneva. But that would be pointless if they proceed as
they did during the past three days of meetings.
--
Boris, what can you tell me?
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SUBJECT:
Telcon with President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt
on January 2, 1993
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
President Hosni Mubarak
Interpreter: None
Notetaker: Edmund Hull
DATE, TIME
January 2, 1993, 8:04 - 8:10 a.m. (Local)
AND PLACE:
Air Force One
President Mubarak: Hello, George. Hello. (U)
The President: Hosni, I hear you loud and clear. How are you?
(U)
President Mubarak: Very well. Glad to hear your voice. (U)
The President: Sorry we can't stop in Egypt, but we have a very
hectic schedule. We are now going to Moscow instead of Solchi
which makes it a longer trip. I wish I could come. Anyway, I
wanted to say hello to you and wish you a happy New Year. (U)
President Mubarak: I was expecting you to come, but I wish you
good luck on your trip to Moscow. I'd like to see you at any
time. (U)
The President: Well, that's very nice of you. I saw some of
your soldiers in Somalia. They were a very impressive group of
young people. (c)
President Mubarak: I am very pleased you saw some of our
soldiers. (f)
The President: Well, we will continue working on Somalia, and
now we are going to sign this agreement in Moscow. (c)
President Mubarak: All right. (U)
The President: I'm worried about Saddam Hussein. He has been
testing us, violating the no-fly zone. We may have to take some
strong action. We may have to do more there. We don't want to
show lack of resolve. ($)
President Mubarak: It's strange that he should be doing this at
the end (of your administration). It's very strange. (8)
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The President: I don't know why. It could be he's trying to
distract (his people) from intolerable conditions inside Iraq or
that he is anticipating a new administration or he believes we
are distracted by Somalia or Bosnia. Whatever, he can't get away
with it. (8)
President Mubarak: He may think the world is busy with other
problems. It's very stupid. He never has estimated correctly.
(S)
The President: Well, I agree with that. Incidentally, it's
important that the peace process move forward. We are disturbed
by the deportations and the violence that caused them, but the
Middle East peace process is vital to everybody. We must keep it
going. I hope you agree with that.
(S)
President Mubarak: I agree. That is why I sent a private
message to Rabin through his Ambassador here. I did not want to
embarrass him, but to urge him to find any solution SO as not to
impede the talks.
(S)
The President: Very good. I'm sure the message will help.
Well, I just wanted to say hello and Happy New Year. I am sorry
I cannot make a stop. Thank you for the invitation to Cairo.
(U)
President Mubarak: All right. Thank you very much. Have a
happy New Year, and (regards) to your family. (U)
The President: Thank you, Hosni. We are thinking of you. I
have only two weeks left, but if there is anything I can do, let
me know. (U)
President Mubarak: Thank you. I'll call you. Thank you. Good
luck on your trip to Moscow. (U)
The President: Goodbye and my best to Suzie and your family.
(U)
President Mubarak: Thank you. Goodbye. (U)
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