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Digitized from Box 46 of the Philip Buchen Files
at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
Mr. Buchen:
This is the
format to be
resed for
your memo
concerning
mtg President with the
SUGGESTED FORMAT
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
CLASSIFICATION
(When Applicable)
(Date of Meeting)
MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT'S FILE
FROM:
(Name of Staff Member or Person
making report)
SUBJECT:
Meeting with (Full Name of Individual
and Title) on (Day), (Month) (Date) ;
(Year) at (Time) (a.m./p.m.)
PARTICIPANTS:
(List all Participants)
(List all Participants)
(etc.)
(Text)
(Text)
(Text)
NOTE:
The object is to capture some of the color and mood of the occasion
not to log a verbatim transcript of the commentsonly.
Forward original only -- no copies.
SUGGESTED FORMAT
CLASSIFICATION
(When Applicable)
LABOR
L
W. ABEL
-- President, United Steelworkers of America
FRANK FITZSIMMONS
-- General President, International Brotherhood
of Teamsters, Chauffeurs, Warehousemen
and Helpers of America
PAUL HALL
-- President, Seafarers' International Union
of North America
GEORGE MEANY
-- President, American Federation of Labor
and Congress of Industrial Organizations
LEONARD WOODCOCK
-- President, International Union of United
Automobile, Aerospace, and Agricultural
Implement Workers of America
CLYDE WEBBER
-- American Federation of Government
Employees
Condgrendent unions
GERALD B. FORD VIBRARY
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
February 14, 1973
MEETING WITH ERNST G. BREITHOLTZ
Friday, February 16, 1973
3:15 p.m. (10 minutes)
The Oval Office
From: John Doe
I.
PURPOSE
To recognize his election as president of Rotary International.
II.
BACKGROUND, PARTICIPANTS & PRESS PLAN
A. Background: Breitholtz succeeds your old friend Judge Walk,
having been elected to his largest service club at its conven-
tion in Sydney, Australia, last May. He is a Swede from
Kalmar (just south of Stockholm), and is one of the principal
owners of Astra, a world-wide Swedish chemical company.
B. Participants: Ernst G. Breitholtz and John Doe.
C. Press Plan: Press photo opportunity. (or) Ollie Atkins photo
only. Meeting to be announced. (or) Ollie Atkins photo only.
Meeting not to be announced.
III.
TALKING POINTS
1.
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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR
OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY
WASHINGTON
August 12, 1974
MEMORANDUM FOR:
PHIL BUCHEN
FROM:
PETER J. BRENNAN D
Per your request, I am forwarding briefing papers on the labor
representatives that the President wants to bring in for meetings.
If you need anything further, or we can be of assistance in any way,
please call.
The briefing paper on George Meany also contains a transcript of
a press conference which he held the first week in August which
might give a little more insight into his thinking.
Meeting with the President
8/13/74 -- 12:00 noon
GEORGE MEANY
PRESIDENT, AFL-CIO
PHILIP BUCHEN
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
MEMORANDUM FOR:
THE PRESIDENT
FROM:
KEN COLE
SUBJECT:
MEETING WITH GEORGE MEANY
You may wish to raise with George Meany the subject of a possible
nati onal coal strike. The current United Mine Workers of America
contract expires on November 12. Negotiations may begin as early
as August 12 but your labor advisers, principally Bill Usery, Director
of the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service, "conclude that a
strike is nearly inevitable.
Arnold Miller has announced that the United Mine Workers will
conduct a memorial shut-down next week beginning August 19 and
running through August 23. This will dramatize the position of the
mine workers and to draw down coal inventories.
Although the AFL-CIO does not have particularly close ties with the
United Mine Workers, George Meany's position will be a critical
factor in determining the reaction to the use of Taft-Hartly if this
becomes necessary and the success of any legislative remedies if
Taft-Hartly fails.
One serious difficulty is that Meany and Secretary Brennan do not
get along at all. Further, we might have difficulty in using Bill Usery
to provide this link with the AFL-CIO because it could undercut his
position as the impartial mediator.
I recommend that you raise the coal strike subject with George Meany
and seek his advice on what actions the government should be
considering both in terms of the labor situation and in terms of
protecting the national interest.
If the question comes up as to who in your Administration will be the
point of contact with the AFL-CIO, I recommend that you do not make
any firm commitment at this time but rather seek Meany's advice.
8/12/74
4:25
Mr. Buchen:
Warren Rustand advises you are
to sit in onthe meeting with
the President and George Meany
tomorrow (8/13) at 12 noon.
I have cleared Mr. Meany for the
meeting.
Dave Hoopes asked for a briefing
paper ----- see attached.
They need it by 6:30 tonight.
FORD is LIBRARY GERALD
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
August 12, 1974
MEETING WITH GEORGE MEANY
Tuesday, August 13, 1974
12:00 noon (30 minutes)
The Oval Office
From: Philip W. Buchen
T.W.B.
I.
PURPOSE
Meeting follows your interest for having it as expressed to
Secretary Brennan. He knows you are to hold this meeting
without his presence. Three other key labor leaders have
been advised that you will, within a week or so, meet with
them.
II. BACKGROUND, PARTICIPANTS & PRESS PLAN
A. Background: See attached information supplied by
Secretary Brennan. (Tab A.)
B. Participants: George Meany and Philip W. Buchen
C. Press Plan: Press photo opportunity. Meeting to be
announced at the 11:00 a.m. press briefing.
III.
TALKING POINTS
1. Favorable public comments made by Mr. Meany concerning your
advancement to the Office of President (see attached
Detroit News story). (Tab B)
2. His help and that of his colleagues in support of needed
defense legislation.
3. Your desire to hear of his concerns for:
(a) The economic situation and the critical inflation problem.
FORD is LIBRARY
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(b) Uniting the people of the country to gain wide
support for initiatives which need to be taken to
deal with vital current problems.
(c) U. S. foreign relations, particularly as they bear
on the future of free trade unionism in other countries.
(d) Relationships between organized labor and the
Department of Labor, as well as other government
departments and executive agencies.
GERALD FORD TOTAL
GEORGE MEANY, President, AFL-CIO
George Meany, a trade union official for more than
a half-century, has been president of the AFL-CIO since its
merger in 1955. He has been reelected without opposition
since. Mr. Meany will be 80 years old on August 16, 1974.
He established outstanding record of public service. He was
twice named by President Eisenhower as a U.S. delegate to
the United Nations General Assembly. In recent years, he
has served as a member of the President's Productivity
Commission, the President's Commission on Industrial Peace
and the Board of COMSAT, among other important public
bodies. He was a recipient in 1963 of the Presidential
Medal of Freedom Award.
AFL-CIO
The American Federation of Labor and Congress of
Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) is a voluntary federation
of 110 national and international unions. As of January
1, 1974, membership totaled 13,600,000. Major unions not
affiliated with AFL-CIO are the Teamsters, the Auto Workers
and the Mine Workers.
ISSUES
Following is Mr. Meany's position on various major
issues:
FOREIGN AFFAIRS
Opposed to detente and "the giving away of American
technology, American resources and American jobs." Supported
President Nixon on Vietnam. Vigorously anti-communist.
Believes any accommodation benefits communists.
ECONOMY
Blames Administration's "one sided wage-price controls",
tight money and high interest rate policies, and export of
farm products and crude materials (especially to communist
countries) as cause of inflation and unemployment. Singles
out high interest rates as greatest contributing factor.
Puts much of blame for situation on policies of Arthur Burns
Supports greater government spending, more public service jobs,
increased minimum wage, profit curbs and higher tariffs as
means to cut unemployment and revive economy.
POLITICAL
Remained "neutral" in 1972 primarily because of
dislike of McGovern and support of Vietnam policy of Nixon.
Has strongly opposed Nixon foreign and economic policies
as weakening country and causing inflation and unemployment.
Called for Nixon's impeachment or resignation. Calls for
election of a "veto proof" Congress this year with aim to
pass social legislation sought by AFL-CIO. Appears now to
support Senator Jackson as democratic candidate in 1976.
SPECIAL ISSUES
Concerned over implication in memorandum of former
Assistant Labor Secretary that political considerations were
entering enforcement of occupational safety and health
laws. No evidence of any efforts to this affect found--
beyond memorandum--and enforcement today clearly being
conducted on behalf of workers.
Supports United Farm Workers in organizing drive
against Teamsters. Probably more anti-teamsters than pro
United Farm Workers.
Opposed to Jimmy Hoffa as a labor leader but believes
parole restrictions are unusual and that Hoffa should not
be barred from attempting a comback, which he hopes would
be unsuccessful.
PRESIDENT FORD
At August 5 press conference, Meany called for Nixon's
resignation as solution to economic problems and said of
then Vice President Ford: "I have confidence in his
integrity. And I think most of the American people would
be willing to chip in and try to help us get over this
problem which would surely ensue if the President is convicted.
I think there would be a certain amount of national unity
displayed and I think that Vice President Ford, if he
becomes President, would have that kind of support. And
I am sure that at least he would have the support of the trade
union movement insofar as we could consistently support him
in view of our problems and our policies.
"Vice President Ford is a conservative, you know, but
we have lived in this country with conservatives before
and the conservative with integrity is far better than what
we have today in the White House.
(Vice President Ford) is very conservative in his.
attitude. He never introduced a bill in 25 years in the
House of Representatives under his own name but, you see,
he is the only Vice President we have."
The AFL-CIO "Congressional Scorecard" lists
President Ford voting "right" in labor's view 19 times
during his 25-year congressional service and "wrong"
109 times.
FO
Defnoit NEWS
aug 9, 1974
on television in his
defeared to: use
me
did not hear what they had expected
people who had dealt with him in
"I regret deeply any injuries that may have
had described Mr. Nixon, at what
been done in the course of the events that led to
been a time of great anguish to him
this decision," Mr. Nixon said. "I would say
family. as serene and self-controlled,
only that if some of my judgments were wrong,
Labor leaders support Ford
By JACK CRELLIN
Earlier this week, Meany had voiced his
News Labor Editor
unqualified belief in Mr. Ford's integrity.
Despite his conservative background, Gerald
"I think there would be a certain amount of
R. Ford, who succeeds Richard M. Nixon as
national unity displayed and I think that Vice-
president today, has the distinction of having
President Ford, if he becomes president, would
the full support of almost every segment of
have that kind of support.
organized labor.
"And I am sure that at least he would have
Labor leaders, almost unanimously, like what
the support of the trade union movement insofar
they call Mr. Ford's "honesty and integrity.
as we could consistently support him in view of
This includes UAW President Leonard Wood-
our problems and policies."
cock, AFL-CIO President George Meany and
I.W. Abel, president of the United Steelwork-
former Teamsters President James R. Hoffa.
ers union, said it was his "fervent hope that
Woodcock, after hearing Mr. Nixon's address
under President Ford we will get on with the
last night, said:
business of meeting the many challenges
"Mr. Nixon's resignation comes as the
confronting America and the people."
nation's economic and political troubles are fast
But Meany probably summed up the feelings
worsening
of most labor leaders a few days ago when he
"It is clear that those problems must be
said:
answered and turned around.
"Vice-President Ford is a conservative, you
"Obviously, the UAW will cooperate with the
know, but we have lived in this country with
new Ford administration in any effort it would
conservatives before and the conservative with
take to correct the enormous economic and
integrity is far better than what we have in the
S
moral difficulties the nation faces."
White House today."
Teamsters President Frank E. Fitzsimmons,
an ardent backer of Mr. Nixon, was unavailable
for comment last night. His office reported he
Iron ore pact reached
was "out of town."
DULUTH - (AP) Part of the strike of the
In Detroit, Hoffa said he sympathized with
United Steelworkers of America (USW) against
Mr. Nixon over the agonizing decision he had to
northern Minnesota iron ore mining and
make.
processing firms ended last night.
Meany, it frequent critic of Mr. Nixon, said in
A joint statement said a three-year contract
11
a telegram to Ford:
was agreed to between the USW and Pickands-
"On behalf of the AFL-CIO I pledge to you all
Mather & Co. of Cleveland, managing agents for
possible support in meeting the grave and
the Eric Mining Co. of Hoyt Lakes, Minn., and
serious problem the nation faces."
the Hibbing Taconite Co.
FORD 1. DERALD LIBRARY
GEORGE MEANY, President, AFL-CIO
George Meany, a trade union official for more than
a half-century, has been president of the AFL-CIO since its
merger in 1955. He has been reelected without opposition
since. Mr. Meany will be 80 years old on August 16, 1974.
He established outstanding record of public service. He was
twice named by President Eisenhower as a U.S. delegate to
the United Nations General Assembly. In recent years, he
has served as a member of the President's Productivity
Commission, the President's Commission on Industrial Peace
and the Board of COMSAT, among other important public
bodies. He was a recipient in 1963 of the Presidential
Medal of Freedom Award.
AFL-CIO
The American Federation of Labor and Congress of
Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) is a voluntary federation
of 110 national and international unions. As of January
1, 1974, membership totaled 13,600,000. Major unions not
affiliated with AFL-CIO are the Teamsters, the Auto Workers
and the Mine Workers.
ISSUES
Following is Mr. Meany's position on various major
issues:
FOREIGN AFFAIRS
Opposed to detente and "the giving away of American
technology, American resources and American jobs." Supported
President Nixon on Vietnam. Vigorously anti-communist.
Believes any accommodation benefits.communists.
ECONOMY
Blames Administration's "one sided wage-price controls",
tight money and high interest rate policies, and export of
farm products and crude materials (especially to communist
countries) as cause of inflation and unemployment. Singles
out high interest rates as greatest contributing factor.
Puts much of blame for situation on policies of Arthur Burns.
Supports greater government spending, more public service jobs,
increased minimum wage, profit curbs and higher tariffs as
means to cut unemployment and revive economy.
POLITICAL
Remained "neutral" in 1972 primarily because of
dislike of McGovern and support of Vietnam policy of Nixon.
Has strongly opposed Nixon foreign and economic policies
as weakening country and causing inflation and unemployment.
Called for Nixon's impeachment or resignation. Calls for
election of a "veto proof" Congress this year with aim to
pass social legislation sought by AFL-CIO. Appears now to
support Senator Jackson as democratic candidate in 1976.
SPECIAL ISSUES
Concerned over implication in memorandum of former
Assistant Labor Secretary that political considerations were
entering enforcement of occupational safety and health
laws. No evidence of any efforts to this affect found--
beyond memorandum--and enforcement today clearly being
conducted on behalf of workers.
Supports United Farm Workers in organizing drive
against Teamsters. Probably more anti-teamsters than pro
United Farm Workers.
Opposed to Jimmy Hoffa as a labor leader but believes
parole restrictions are unusual and that Hoffa should not
be barred from attempting a comback, which he hopes would
be unsuccessful.
PRESIDENT FORD
At August 5 press conference, Meany called for Nixon's
resignation as solution to economic problems and said of
then Vice President Ford: "I have confidence in his
integrity. And I think most of the American people would
be willing to chip in and try to help us get over this
problem which would surely ensue if the President is convicted.
I think there would be a certain amount of national unity
displayed and I think that Vice President Ford, if he
becomes President, would have that kind of support. And
I am sure that at least he would have the support of the trade
union movement insofar as we could consistently support him
in view of our problems and our policies.
"Vice President Ford is a conservative, you know, but
we have lived in this country with conservatives before
FORD
we have today in the White House.
and the conservative with integrity is far better than GERAL What
(Vice President Ford) is very conservative in his
attitude. He never introduced a bill in 25 years in the
House of Representatives under his own name but, you see,
he is the only Vice President we have."
The AFL-CIO "Congressional Scorecard" lists
President Ford voting "right" in labor's view 19 times
during his 25-year congressional service and "wrong"
109 times.
from the AFL-CIO
STATE
core
All
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC RELATIONS
INDUSTRIAL
(202) 637-5010
or Release:
August 8, 1974
Attached are transcripts of the press
conferences held by AFL-CIO President George Meany
on Monday, August 5 and Tuesday, August 6, 1974
at the regular meeting of the AFL-CIO Executive
Council, Drake Hotel, Chicago, Illinois.
FORD ; LIBRAN
TRANSCRIPT OF:
PRESIDENT GEORGE MEANY'S PRESS CONFERENCE
MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 1974 -- EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETING
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
MEANY: Before getting into any questions that
MEANY: We have a long, long list of suggestions
you may have, I would like to announce that I
that we have made. Up to now they have received
have sitting along side of me Brother Meshel,
very little attention from the Administration
General Secretary of Histadrut, which is the
and actually as of the moment they have no plan.
Israeli Federation of Labor. Brother Meshel
I think cutting down the high interest rate would
appeared before the Executive Council this
help. I don't know anything that is more
morning and discussed some of the problems
inflationary than high interest rates because
economic and military facing the Israeli people
high interest rates go into business expansion;
today. And, of course, we indicated to him that
they go into the cost of operating and they go
we are continuing to support Histadrut and to
into every phase of economic life. Eventually,
support Israel in its efforts to stay alive in
high interest rates are paid for by the
the Middle East.
consumer.
So Brother Meshel will be here and at the
I think it would help the situation if our tax
conclusion of my portion of the press conference
structure was readjusted. I think the exorbitant
he will be available for any questions that
profits -- these companies getting two or three
you may want to ask him about the situation
hundred percent in profits - also have an impact
in Israel.
on the problem. But, in the final analysis, I
think it is up to the Administration that has
Now, you have a number of statements on the
come up with this disastrous policy -- inaugurated
economy, high interest rates, collective
in February 1969 -- to come up with a viable
bargaining and the economy, housing and, of
plan. I think it would be unfair to take the
course, a statement on Israel and a statement
housewife who is paying through the nose -- who is
on the farm workers. And, also a statement on
at the supermarket checkout counter -- and say
our attitude on the impeachment question.
to her "what are you complaining about. Do you
have a plan?"
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, have you been invited to
the White House to discuss inflation and if the
This is what we elect Congress for. This is
answer is "no" would you go if you were
what we elect Senators for. And, pardon the
invited?
expression, this is what we elect our President
for.
MEANY: Oh, yes, I have not been invited to
the White House to discuss the question of
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, last week you said that
inflation. I have talked to Mr. Rush, who is
the American public hasn't any confidence in our
the President's chief economic advisor, at the
President.
present time, and I have indicated that labor
in this country is, as it has always been,
MEANY: I think that was the greatest under-
involved, concerned, affected by inflation. In
statement I've ever made.
fact, we feel that the millions of people that
we represent are certainly among the first
REPORTER: Do you think we would be better off
victims of inflation. And, we are ready to
with Vice President Ford fighting inflation and
cooperate with the Administration in any viable
other things?
plan, any program that will help to solve this
problem.
MEANY: Well, I wouldn't make any prediction on
what Mr. Ford's policies would be. When you
I have made it quite clear to Mr. Rush that we
say "lack of confidence, lack of credibility."
are not prepared to become part of an
I think Ford would be an improvement because
Administration charade of some kind or
there would be a certain confidence in his
Administration publicity stunt, which seems to
integrity that we have evidentally lost with the
have been the Administration's responses to
present occupant of the White House.
all of these problems for the past several years.
Mr. Herb Stein would make a speech or McCracken,
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you have confidence in
when he was there, would make a speech.
Vice President Ford should he become President?
Arthur Burns would make a speech, the President
would make a speech but there was no substance
MEANY: I have confidence in his integrity. And
to the program. We got a lot of false
I think most of the American people would be
predictions, a lot of false promises. We were
willing to chip in and try to help get us over
told that we now could see the light at the
this problem which would surely ensue if the
end of the tunnel. We were told that last
President is convicted. I think there would be
quarter was bad; this quarter was bad; this
a certain amount of national unity displayed
quarter was going to be good; inflation rate
and I think that Vice President Ford, if he
is going to be down next December to where it
becomes President, would have that kind of
was last January and so on and so forth. And
support. And I amsure that at least he would
none of this panned out.
have the support of the trade union movement
insofar as we could consistently support him in
I made it quite clear to Mr. Rush that we would
view of our problem and our policies.
not take part in any publicity stunts or any-
thing that was designed solely to indicate that
Vice President Ford is a conservative, you know
the President was concerned with this problem.
but we have lived in this country with
If, however, they had a program -- a program
conservatives before and the conservative with
that made sense -- that we would cooperate in
integrity is far better than what we have
every possible way to do what we could to meet
today in the White House.
this particular problem.
I don't know whether President Nixon is conser-
REPORTER: Do you have any suggestions, Sir?
vative or radical or what he is and I'm sure that
he himself doesn't know.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Monday, August 5, 1974
Page 2
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, in your opinion, could
have to have that kind of inflation. We didn't
there be a quicker solution to the economic
have it before; we didn't have it under
problems if the President resigned?
Kennedy; we didn't have it under Johnson; we
didn't have it under Eisenhower. Why do we have
MEANY: Yes. And I don't agree with those who
to have it under this man now in the White
say that there is something undemocratic about
House? And, I contend that we don't have to
resigning or that resigning 1S a terrible thing.
have it. Just because Brazil has a great
Resigning resolved the Spiro problem and nobody
inflation or some other countries do. we don't
seemed to get excited. I have not heard
have to have it.
anyone say that the country is in very, very
bad shape because Spiro resigned and if the
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, was there any difference
President resigned, I don't think it would be
in the Council on the impeachment state ent?
as shocking to the country.
MEANY: Yes. There were two members of the
REPORTER: If the President were to resign, would
Council that did not agree with the statement.
you favor granting him immunity?
REPORTER: Could you name them?
MEANY: The question of granting him immunity
is something that has been spoken about -- I
MEANY: Mr. Wurf and Mr. Hall.
would say I would have no interest in seeing
the President have any further troubles. All I
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, in the statement you said
want of the President is to just go away.
that in effect the Council supports the
impeachment proceedings.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you see any relation-
ship between the President's problems and the
MEANY: The impeachment proceedings are the only
economy?
proceedings provided by the Constitution to
bring the President to task.
MEANY: There is a relationship between the
President's scrambling to maintain himself in
REPORTER: In a nut shell, what would the
office and the economy itself. Now, I am not
President's removal and the succession of the
a financial expert. I'm not an expert in the
Vice President Ford mean to the people that
stock market but I can read the figures. The
you represent?
stock market is certainly reacting to the
President's lack of leadership. It is
MEANY: In a nut shell?
reacting specifically to tight money, high
interest rates.
REPORTER: In a nut shell.
The thing that I can't understand is after you
MEANY: In a nut shell they would look at the
go five years down one road and you go down,
White House and they would see a fellow who
down, down into economic disaster that you
looks like he is honest and has integrity and
still maintain the same theory that started you
we would hope that the American people would
down the road -- restricted credit, tight
rally around him.
money, high interest rates, high unemployment.
REPORTER: Economically, what specifically do
This is Arthur Burns' philosophy enunciated in
you know about Vice President Ford?
February 1969. We weren't doing too badly
then. We had a little over 4% inflation rate
MEANY: He is very conservative in his attitude.
and now we have an almost 12% inflation now.
He never introduced a bill in 25 years in the
We still had 5-3/4%, 5½ interest. A person in
House of Representatives under his own name
the middle income bracket could buy a home.
but, you see, he is the only Vice President we
A person in the $25,000-a-year class can't buy
have.
a home in America today unless he is willing
togo down into the older portions of our cities.
REPORTER: And you say in a nut shell that Mr.
Ford would be better than Mr. Nixon?
In view of this absolute economic disaster, I
can't understand Arthur Burns, who is the
MEANY: In a nut shell, he is the only Vice
architect, refusing to change his attitudes.
President we have.
He is still where he was in February 1969. Still
REPORTER: What is your assessment of Mr. Ford?
going down the road -- restricted credit, tight
money. Everything is determined by money and
MEANY: Oh, my assessment -- you mean on his
the cost of money and until this changes I
performance since he has become Vice President?
think we are going to continue to go down the
I think it is horrible. I think he should
road to further economic trouble.
keep his mouth shut.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, the President, the
REPORTER: Could you elaborate?
Administration suggested that the problem is as
real as you say but they also say that there is
MEANY: I could but I won't.
a world-wide inflation and that the problem
here in the United States is no different than
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, since you offered, on
in any other country.
behalf of the AFL-CIO to cooperate, what is the
present attitude on wage and price controls?
MEANY: That's what they say and I don't buy it.
There is a world-wide lack of freedom. There are
MEANY: Our position on wage and price controls
a tremendous number of people in this world who
is the same as it was eight years ago. We have
haven't their freedom. We still have our free-
no objections to equitable controls. We have
dom in this country. Yet, there are countries
no objections if that is the answer. But we
under dictatorship that have as high as 300
do object to controlling wages and not controlling
percent inflation but that doesn't mean that we
interest rates, not controlling dividends, not
controlling every last item that goes into this
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Monday. August 5, 1974
Page 3
structure, not controlling income of every
REPORTER: How long are you going to sit back
particular type, not controlling the price in
and see if his program 1S going?
the grocery store, in the supermarket, in the
drug store. In other words, we now have equity
MEANY: I don't know. I can see your point.
on this question of controls because there are
If you want to cooperate you have to say, "well,
no controls. The only thing that is equitable
there is going to be no criticism. We are going
is no controls or absolutely complete and
to try to cooperate for X number of months or
total controls.
weeks." But even there, there 1S an unspoken
reservation because if he sent a message to
I mentioned this to President Nixon back in 1971
Congress calling for a piece of legislation
and he threw his hands up and said that would take
let's say to follow Secretary Simon's program
a bureaucracy of 300,000 people -- something
of $20 billion budget cut you know, taking
like we had in World War II. Well, we might
it out of the hides of the aged and the poor
have been better off if he had set up a
-- we couldn't agree with anything like that.
bureaucracy of 300, people than to go through
So the honeymoon could last maybe overnight --
the farce that he went through beginning in
I just don't know.
August 1971 with Phase I, Freeze I, Phase II,
Freeze II and so on and so forth and leave us
But my inclination wouldcertainly be to
where the people are being badly, badly hurt
cooperate in a situation where a President is
by this whole situation.
removed or resigned and we have a new man in
there. My inclination would be to cooperate
It might have been less expensive to have set
in every possible way. Reserving. of course,
up a big bureaucracy.
a right to protect our own interest.
REPORTER: The White House is running a series
REPORTER: If the Vice President continues his
of economic road shows.
support of the President, saying he believes
in his innocence, would that diminish your
MEANY: I'm not sure they are doing that. They
belief in the Vice President's integrity?
started one here in Chicago on the 26th. I'm
not sure that that's not now inoperative,
MEANY: Well, that 1S a very good question. In
as Ron would say.
fact, it gives you cause to think that if he
feels the President has done no wrong and that
REPORTER: All the contact with labor was with
the President is innocent of all these things
the Teamsters. What was your advice to your
and that if he becomes President that he might
affiliates?
do the same thing -- now, I just don't believe
that. I don't believe he would set up an
MEANY: They did contact me at the last
espionage unit and stuff like that. I'm
minute. Some White House physician -- I don't
willing to just take this as political loyalty
know who he represents. He is in the White
and let it go at that.
House. Whether he is in charge of the aspirin
division over there, I don't know. But he
REPORTER: If he becomes President through the
contacted me and wanted me to get somebody
impeachment process or resignation do you
out here to Chicago to this meeting. I
think Vice President Ford would be an easy
called and found out that the meeting was all
mark for the Democrats in 1976?
set and that all the arrangements were made
through the Chicago Association of Commerce
MEANY: No. No, I do not.
and Industry or whatever they call it. I
felt that I was not going to take a left-handed,
The idea that the Democrats have a pushover in
last-minute invitation of that type, especially
1976, I don't buy that at all. If Nixon is
when the man in charge out here for the
still in the White House in 197 yes. They
Commerce and Industry Association was asked
could put my Aunt Tillie up and she would win.
about it, he just said, "Oh, it's just
propaganda for the President." I'm not
REPORTER: Mr. Meany what other candidates
interested, as I said before, in stunts.
besides your Aunt Tillie would you like to see
President?
REPORTER: Mr. Meany. there has been a lot of
speculation about your relationship with Robert
MEANY: Now, I didn't say that I would like for
Strauss and the Democratic party. What are
my Aunt Tillie to run. I was just saying she
your relationships?
could win.
MEANY: Well, I met him once or twice -- three
REPORTER: What other candidates do the
times really. Once we had a cocktail together.
Democrats.
My relationship with him is nothing. Nothing.
He is in charge of the Democratic party. I
MEANY: If Nixon is still in in 196 it wouldn't
happen to be the elected head of the trade
make any difference. If Ford is there and the
union movement. And there is no connection
country has come out of the du Idrums to some
between my organization and his organization.
extent, Ford would be a very very serious
I have a lot of good friends who are Democrats
candidate for reelection. The mar. in the
and they are interested in the Democratic
White House always has a certain advantàge and,
party and I would like to see them play a
of course, the Democrats might want to commit
larger role in the Democratic party. As far as
suicide again. You can never tells, They
I'm concerned, and as far as the AFL-CIO is
still have those suicidal tendencies within the
concerned, I have no connection with the
party.
Democratic party and have no intention of
having any connection.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you think that if a
Democratic Congress is elected in November, it
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, if Vice President Ford
should do something about inflation
should become President how long a honeymoon
would he have?
MEANY: I don't know.
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Monday, August 5, 1974
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MEANY: Yes, I think that, under the present
MEANY: No, no, no, I don't. This may be
circumstances, we have to look to the Congress
considered reckless. Some may say this is a
to do something about this situation, for
reckless statement. No, I don't see any
instance, in the housing industry where we
limits. I think it would be crazy to ask for
are in a deplorable situation -- where millions
25% when inflation is up 12%. But if inflation
of people can't buy new homes because of the
is up 12%, what is the answer? What are
tremendous cost of hiring the money. I think
the unions in business for? They are in business
that the Congress could pass legislation of
to try to keep their people alive. That's why
various kinds. I think that they could set up
there are cost of living escalator clauses, which
billions of dollars to provide 6% money. Six
have been in vogue for 20 years at least, in
percent money would revive the housing
collective bargaining. What are they for? They
industry, revive it over night. It would have
are to keep pace and any union that wants to keep
a tremendous impact on all of our domestic
pace now has to get 12%.
economic problems. I think they could order
the Federal Reserve for instance to order
REPORTER: Do you think they will go much beyond
the financial institution to take a certain
that? Are they acting recklessly, though?
percentage of money and divert it to socially
important projects that are important to
MEANY: I think the most reckless people in
people rather than just putting it up to the
America today are the money changers. They are
highest bidder and, if the highest bidder, is
the people who are going to bring this economy
a gambling casino, that's where the loan goes.
to collapse. And, what is the motivation? It
So, I think that we have to look to Congress to
is very simple, a very simple word -- greed.
help in this domestic economic situation.
No other motivation.
REPORTER: Are you waiting until after
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you mean
November for the new Congress
MEANY: I mean the bankers, yes.
MEANY: Oh, no, we are pressing this Congress.
I don't think we can wait another six months.
REPORTER: You made your position clear and
labor has on impeachment
REPORTER: What would be your legislative
priorities next year?
MEANY: I always make my position perfectly
clear.
MEANY: National Health Insurance. restoring
the programs that the President destroyed.
REPORTER: And on the resignation what are your
Many of the programs that we felt were socially
views on this third alternative -- that the
important that they want to eliminate -- that
President temporarily step aside?
Mr. Simon wants to eliminate. He wants, for
instance, to cut down by 8% aid to the elderly.
MEANY: You mean, Senator Proxmire?
He wants to cut back the social security
increases just for the next six months SO to
That's possible under the 25th amendment, but
save $4.3 billion and things like that. We
I don't know that that would make anybody happy
would see that those things just didn't happen.
except Proxmire. It wouldn't make me happy,
I know that.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, how do you feel about the
program Senator Bentsen outlined for the
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you recently made a state-
Democrats? Is that a viable program?
ment where you targeted certain banks, like
the Chase Manhattan Bank, First City Corp. and
MEANY: I'm sorry, I didn't get a chance to
other Rockefeller controlled banks.
study his program. That was when he replied
to the President.
MEANY: Well, that's on these new city notes that
are going to divert money from savings and
REPORTER: What about the cost of living task
loans. Now savings and loan institutions in
force?
this country have been for many, many years a
great source of money for building homes. People
MEANY: The cost of living task force to me --
put their money in and they loan it out on home
we will have a statement on that later -- but
building and they are limited now to somewhere
off-the-cuff, the cost of living task force
in the 5-3/4% range. These new city bonds, as
composed of Cabinet people and the economic
they call them, with a floating rate and a
advisers to the President and nobody else --
guarantee that they put a base under the rate
all government people and he wants a million
over a certain length of time are going for the
dollar appropriation from the Congress -- this
same type of money that would normally go into
is a complete and absolute phoney. He can
savings and loans -- and giving them 9.7%. Of
appoint that task force tomorrow morning and he
course, they are long term bonds but they can
has plenty of funds. This idea that this is
be cashed in after a certain amount of time. And
something new, that this is something that he
this is going to drain money from the savings
doesn't have. He has all these people if
and loans -- and none of this money is going to
he wants their advice -- they are all in the
do anything for the housing industry.
White House, his economic advisers, his
Cabinet people. So this cost of living task
REPORTER: Going back to politics for a minute.
force is a real phoney.
A couple of years ago you said that the
Democratic party was in shambles -- how would
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, the last time you told us
you assess it today?
that with inflation going up 10 to 12% that
workers were justified in seeking wage benefits
MEANY: Well, they are now in shambles plus two
above that level. Do you see any limit to
years.
what unions shuld seek?
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Page 5
REPORTER: With regard to direct mortgage loans
for housing -- how hard could you push that?
MEANY: We are going to push just as hard as we
can push because it is of tremendous importance.
It's important in two ways. It would help the
industry where we have hundreds of thousands
-- a couple of million members. But it is
important too for our 14 million members and
their families. They can't get homes. It is
important for many, many millions more who
don't belong to our unions. After all a home
you live in is just about the most basic thing
you have outside of finding food, so this is
something that we are going to press very hard.
To try to get a reasonable interest structure
for loaning money for housing. I don't know
of anything more important.
REPORTER: The idea of the direct loans
MEANY: I don't care if they are direct or
government guaranteed or whether the Federal
Reserve uses its power or whether Congress
directs them to use their power to allocate a
certain amount of money. I don't care where
it comes from but I think it's the government's
obligation. Just as the government stepped in
the other day and there was a real hustle and
bustle over on Capitol Hill and within a day
or two there were $2 billion allocated for
Earl Butz' friends, who were in real trouble.
The people who were gouging us a year ago in
the beef cattle industry are now in trouble.
Because of that they got $2 billion overnight,
almost. So, if they can get $2 billion of
government credits and government backup credits
then they are millions and millions of Americans
who ought to get some consideration in their
search for a decent home.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, would you recommend that
there ought to be a ceiling on the amount of
interest on those loans for housing?
MEANY: Oh, yes. Oh, absolutely. In other words,
if the government is going to allocate a lot
of money and it will still be at 10 or 11 or
12%, that's not worth it. I think we have to
get back to 6% money. The 5-3/4% money.
REPORTER: What will that do, Mr. Meany, to the
price of the products that go into the home --
lumber and other things? Wouldn't they demand
a substantial increase?
MEANY: I don't know.
REPORTER: Thank you.
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TRANSCRIPT OF:
PRESIDENT GEORGE MEANY'S PRESS CONFERENCE
TUESDAY, AUGUST 6, 1974 -- EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETING
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
MEANY: A number of statements have been distri-
This tape indicates that he knew about it and
buted about various problems to which we addressed
was informed about it six days after it happen-
ourselves.
ed and it also indicates that he took action to
clock the investigations that were underway
I would like to call particular attention to the
at that time. In other words, that he at
statement on the retirement from the Council
that time took action to cover up.
of Philip Randolph, who is past president of
the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters. This
This is only one more in the great load of
statement represents in a brief way what our
stuff which has come out which indicates that
thoughts are of Phil Randolph.
the President surely should be impeached.
And surely should be tried by the Senate as
It would take a much longer statement to really
failing to live up to his oath of office.
do justice to Phil Randolph and the contribution
that he has made over the years, not only to
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, on one of those tapes,
the advancement of the blacks in America and
the one I think at two o'clock on the afternoon
in the trade union movement but the contribu-
of the 23rd, the President mentioned Shultz
tion that he has made for the cause of human
as having done a good job on the Meany thing.
freedom all over.
MEANY: I read that. I don't know -- I'll
It is kind of sad for me personally because of
have to ask blue eyes about that when I see
my close association with him, going back many
him. Because I don't know whether when he said
years, to see him in retirement. That's the
Shultz did a good job on the Meany thing maybe
way things go and I want to publicly express
he did an investigation and kept me off the
appreciation and my great admiration for an
enemies list. I really don't know. I'll
old devoted trade unionist. Without casting
have to talk to George about that.
any doubt on Martin Luther King who was, of
course, the great proponent of non-violence,
I had just come back from Europe that week.
Phil Randolph carried the torch and, in the
I had been over to Europe about 10 days and I
early years, in fact all his life, advocated
recall it right well because somebody had
progress without violence. He believed progress
called my office, according to reports that
could be made without violence.
developed later, demanding that I go to New
York to talk to George McGovern. That he
We have elected two new members of the Council.
wanted me to come up there to see him and who
One in place of Phil Randolph and the other to
was I not to go up -- this was a great oppor-
take the place of John Griner, who died a short
tunity to talk to the man who was going to
time back. John was with the American Federation
be President. Anyway, I told them to go to hell.
of Government Employees.
The story came out later that this was not
Gary Hart at all but this was someone from
The two new Council members are C.L. Dellums,
Colson's office imitating Hart. That happened
who is president of the Brotherhood of the
that very week, that is how I remember. But
Sleeping Car Porters, and Francis Filbey, who is
as far as what the President was talking to
president of our great Postal Union.
Shultz about, I have no idea.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, is Mr. Randolph retiring
REPORTER: DO you think that Shultz could have
because of illness?
been a part of that plan to get Colson to
call you?
MEANY: Well, yes. His health has failed but
he is mentally alert. I talked to him a very
MEANY: No. Of that I'm quite positive. No,
short time ago and frankly I think the main
not Shultz.
reason he is retiring is that the doctor has
told him that he does not want him to travel.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, yesterday you said the
He feels travel is dangerous for him. Phil
AFL-CIO was adopting a hands-off policy on
Randolph is about 86. Mentally he is fine, but
impeachment lobbying activity. Does this latest
physically he has gone back.
development yesterday change that?
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, would you give us the
MEANY: No. No. We presented our position
reaction of labor to the latest Watergate dis-
some months ago. We documented it for our own
closures?
people and for our own paper. We distributed
that documentation to the press. I think it
MEANY: Well, the latest disclosure just adds
was 19 items on which we thought the President
to the wealth of evidence that the Congress will
should stand trial on impeachment charges and we
have before it under the impeachment pro-
finished that series of articles sometime in
ceedings. Looking at it, from just what is on
January. We have, of course, printed the news
the tapes, would indicate that the President did
in our press since then but we sent word out
not tell us the truth when he said he didn't
then, or at least I did, to our people over
know about this operation and had nothing to do
on Capitol Hill that there was to be no tradi-
with trying to cover it up. He has been saying
tional lobbying.
repeatedly that it wasn't until March 21, 1973
that he really found out what it was all about.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
Page 2
Now there is a difference between expressing
Now, the best he can hope for, and this is
an opinion on things that happen, and that, of
being practical about it, is to perhaps escape
course, we are going to continue to do. But
conviction by the Senate and if he does it
lobbying is something different. Lobbying
will be by a narrow vote. And then we would
is where you go and you count noses. You see
have practically a lame-duck President for
a Senator or a Congressman in his office and
the next two years, I don't think that
try to persuade him and put him on record.
America -- and I'm looking at it from the
That we do every day of the week, on all sorts
point of view of the nation
of legislation legislation that affects labor,
I'm looking at it from the point of view --
legislation that affects consumers, legislation
that Americans can afford to go through that
on civil rights, legislation on education. It
sort of situation for the next two years.
is a day-to-day job that we do all the time
with the staff, not with just the AFL-CIO but
REPORTER: Do you think that he would submit
the staff of the international unions.
himself to the Senate?
As far as I know, all of the unions have
MEANY: I don't know. He keeps saying that
followed our lead. We are not lobbying on this
he will not submit a resignation and, of
question. We are not trying to press a Congress-
course, other people have said that and have
man or a Senator as to how he or she should
changed their minds. Even today he said
vote. And as far as I'm concerned, we will not
again that he would not submit his resignation.
do that.
I merely say, as one individual, as one
American citizen, that I think it would be
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, does this news change
the best thing for the country if he would
your views on your desires for the President
submit his resignation and do it immediately.
to resign?
REPORTER: What do you mean, you don't think
MEANY: It does not. In fact, it reinforces my
the nation could take a lame-duck President
view that the President should resign.
for two years?
I think it is quite clear that what we face for
MEANY: Well, I think our economy would continue
the next four months or so is certainly
to go down hill. I think we are approaching
bad for this nation. We do not have a
a disastrous -- not a recession, we are in a
functioning executive branch. The Pre sident
recession now -- we are approaching a dis-
is not functioning as he should under these
astrous depression. We see the head of one
circumstances. And it is quite obvious why.
of our largest banks saying that he hasn't
The Departments are without direction. There
dismissed the possibility of a panic, finan-
are all sorts of unfilled positions. There
cial panic. And, I think that one of the
is a complete lack of policy from the Execu-
contributing causes is the lack of confidence
tive branch. And, on the question of foreign
in this country in the Executive Branch at
affairs, how can a Secretary of State, a
the present time, And I think a couple of
competent Secretary of State, operate when hds
more years of this would be disastrous.
principal is in a sense crippled, and the people
across the world know this. So, this places
REPORTER: If Gerald Ford becomes President,
an awful handicap on anyone who has to conduct
would you like to see him make changes in
foreign policy. We are going to have sort
the current Cabinet?
of a hiatus there for the next four months.
MEANY: Oh, I don't think that it's a question
Then we have the schedule in the House where
of what I would like. I think that if Gerald
on the 19th of August they are going to start
Ford became President he would have to look
to debate the Judiciary Committee's report.
at the Cabinet and he would have to appoint
It is going to take them a couple of weeks and,
a Cabinet of the type of people that Gerald
of course, it seems quite obvious that some-
Ford would feel comfortable with. I think
where toward the end of August they will approve
this would result in major changes in the
articles of impeachment.
Cabinet. I don't think that everybody would
go down the drain but I think there would be
The the President has to have a month or so in
major changes. I think this would just be
September to prepare his defense. Then the
normal -- a new man would want people close
Senate goes into an impeachment trial around
to him, people he knew better than the people
the first of October. So, when you look at it
that are in there. So I'm sure there would
you see for the next four months a crippled
be changes.
executive branch really not functioning, and
I don't think there is any room for argument
REPORTER: Would you like to see a new Secre-
of this, and, we see our legislative branch
tary of Labor?
completely preoccupied with impeachment proce-
dures for the next four months. So this means
MEANY: I'd like to see that tomorrow.
a period between now and perhaps Thanksgiving
where there is going to be no real direction and
REPORTER: How about Kissinger?
I think this is bad.
MEANY: I think Kissinger is a very competent
I think it is bad for the country. I think it
man in his position. I don't agree with some
is bad for the people and for that reason I
of the things that he is doing but he is
feel that it would be the best thing for the
doing things under the sponsorship of the
President under these circumstances to resign.
President. He represents the President and I
think he might do a much better job under some
other President.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
Page 3
REPORTER: Who would you like to see as Vice
You see, when you bring people into the trade
President under a President Ford?
union movement, the first thing that you have
to ask is "can we do something for them?"
MEANY: I don't know, I'll have to look at that.
You don't bring them in just to have them in.
just to put a trade union label or them. The
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you foresee formation
second thing is: "Do they fit in to the
of a public employees department in the AFL-CIO?
movement?" After all in the movement we expect
cooperation. We expect one union to help
MEANY: I'm chartering a public employees
another. We expect one worker, who is in
department today. I'm sorry I didn't tell you
trouble, to be helped by other workers, who
that but that is one of the things that I
are closely associated with him. I can
announced to the Council.
readily see where picket lines might be
effective and I could see why they wouldn't
REPORTER: Who is going to be in charge of that?
be effective -- take a ball player, a foot-
ball player getting $25,000 a game -- it runs
MEANY: Whoever they elect. There are 12 unions
that high -- respecting a picket line to
and there will be more coming in and it will be
protect a $4 a hour ticket seller.
whoever they select. That will be their job.
So there is a community of interest that
REPORTER: With a membership, of about how
normally exists where the 1S a normal
many?
employer-employee relationship. These people
are professional athletes and, in a sense,
MEANY: About 2 million.
they are independent cont actors. They
contract for their own SE: vices. So, we have
REPORTER: Do you think you will ever see
always felt that there was no real service that
collective bargaining for public employees in
could be performed by a trade union that could
Chicago as long as Richard Daley is mayor?
not be performed or done for them by an
association such as the baseball players have
MEANY: I have no information on the collective
now.
bargaining situation in Chicago. If they don't
have collective bargaining, I'd be a little
REPORTER: Have they contacted you at all?
bit surprised. I see collective bargining
MEANY: No. No.
widening for public employees all over this
country. In other words, I don't think public
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, about the Farm Workers.
employees are going to be any longer treated as
a class of workers apart from other workers.
What is the status of that resolution yesterday?
Have you talked to Mr. Fitzsimmons? Was there
They are the same as other workers; they have the
any progress?
same problems and no matter what special laws
you write for them they will strike and they
MEANY: No. We reached an agreement with
will strike successfully and that applies, in
my book, to Chicago as well as any other city.
Fitzsimmons last year and it was quite compre-
hensive. It took a long time to negotiate. In
fact, the agreement came after a full three
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, Mayor Daley has been
characterized as a friend of labor, and yet
days' session and then Mr. Fitzsimmons repudiated
it after a meeting with his Executive Board. We
he, almost singularly among big city mayors,
have had no contact with him since. We are
has dragged his feet on collective bargaining.
pursuing the boycott as the best means of helping
the Farm Workers. In fact, it seems to be the
MEANY: I have no information on that and I
only means now because, as far as physical
really don't know anything about it. In fact,
I'm a little bit surprised when you tell me
possession of those fields out there we are up
that.
against the Teamsters, the Teamster goons. We
are up against the state government which 1S
very, very definitely on the side of the ranch
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, have you given any thought
owners. Our only recourse is the boycott and I
to organizing professional athletes?
think eventually we will do something for the
Farm Workers by that method.
MEANY: No. From time to time that matter has
come up to the Executive Council, but not in
REPORTER: Are any AFL-CIO monies going to the
recent years. I remember here in Chicago, oh, a
Farm Workers at this point?
good many years ago a little fellow by the name of
Marty McManus, who was the infielder for the old
MEANY: Not directly, no. We, of course, gave
St. Louis Browns, came in and he met with a
them $1.6 million last year as you will remember.
committee of the old American Federation of Labor
They are getting help from the various unions
Executive Council. We told him that we would
but we do not have an AFL-CIO monthly allotment
not organize baseball players because they
such as we had for many, many years.
were independent contractors and that they did
not fit into the trade union picture. We felt
They are collecting dues, of course, and they are
that the things that they were interested in
getting help from other unions.
could very well be accomplished by a sort of
fraternal association with a good lawyer. And
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, in view of Watergate and
that is what has really happened. I think that
impeachment procedures, what do you see the out-
the professional baseball players under Marvin
look for the Congressional elections this fall?
Miller, their lawyer, are doing quite well.
Now, of course, the football players are trying
to achieve somewhat the same result. They are
starting a little later.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
Page 4
MEANY: Well, I don't have any crystal ball but
MEANY: I'd say 60. They would lose 60 seats.
I do have some pretty solid information. As it
They would go down to the lowest they have been
stands now, it is going to be a disaster for
in many years. I'll make that as a prediction.
the Republican party. I mean a real disaster.
If he is still in there and we have got this
The people in the marginal districts who won
thing unresolved, they will lose 60 seats.
by 6 or 8 or 10 percent a couple of years ago -
many, many of them are going to go down the
REPORTER: In the House?
drain.
MEANY: In the House. I have no particular facts
However, I'm a realist. There would be a tre-
about the Senate.
mendous change and a tremendous improvement in
their prospects if Nixon would resign at this
REPORTER: Are you going to support Senator Mc-
time.
Govern?
I think this whole Watergate, as part of the
MEANY: Our people in South Dakota are supporting
Republican picture, would more or less disappear
and have endorsed Senator McGovern. What you
if the President would disappear from the
have to keep in mind is, we do not endorse Cong-
political scene. But if he is still in there
ressman or Senators in Washington. The only
and this Senate trial is going on, with all this
endorsements that we make in national COPE, or
stuff that keeps coming out - in fact, there
the AFL-CIO, is every four years we have an
seems to be no end to Watergate revelations.
opportunity to endorse a candidate for President
They keep coming and coming and coming for months.
and a candidate for Vice President. All the
other endorsements are made at the local level
Somebody said the other day that the other shoe
and at the state level. And we rarely quarrel
dropped. And a fellow said "No. That's the
with those endorsements.
465th shoe that dropped."
REPORTER: Will you attend the Democratic mini-
If this thing keeps going on and this scenario
convention?
keeps developing until the first week of
November, it just spells disaster for the Re-
MEANY: No.
publicans. No matter what they say, they cannot
divorce themselves from their man in the White
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you have made your pre-
House. He is Mr. Republican and should be, of
dictions on the Republican losses of 60 seats
course, they keep saying that the Republican
if the President stays in. You said it would be
party had nothing to do with CREEP, that CREEP
less if he resigns. Do you have a prediction
was a separate institution.
in that event?
Well, I don't think the average voter would make
MEANY: No. No, I say their chances would be
that distinction. CREEP was a Republican entity,
better if he were out of there.
just the same as the Republican National Com-
mittee but technically they were separate.
REPORTER: Do you have any feelings that you are
approaching a milestone in your life? Do you
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, two questions. Do you
have any feeling about the political problems
believe you will get a veto proof Congress?
in Washington in relation to some of the things
you have seen in past?
MEANY: Well, when we say we want a veto proof
Congress, we are thinking in terms of the many
MEANY: You know to me it is a great time be-
social programs that the President refused to
cause things are happening everyday that there
fund and many things that we are interested in
is no precedent for -- things that just never
that he has been definitely against. We are
happened before. Every piece of news that I
thinking in terms of a Congress that can override
hear about on these tapes or what the President
vetoes. It is just as practical as that. You
did or what he said or what memo's were altered
know, if you have the votes to override a veto,
and falsified. You just say, "incredible,"
quite often you don't get a veto.
"impossible." But these things happen.
In September 1973 the President vetoed a minimum
REPORTER: Have you ever seen anything like that
wage bill and that veto was sustained by a very,
before?
very small margin of votes. We passed that same
bill in the spring of this year and we repassed
MEANY: No. I don't think there is any question
it by such an overwhelming vote that we didn't
that there has never been corruption in govern-
get a veto. He signed the identical bill early
ment, at least at this high level, to the extent
this year that he vetoed last August or September.
that there is today. You take Teapot Dome, I
can tell you about that, I don't think there is
So, when we demonstrated that the votes were there,
anyone in the room that remembers it but me.
we didn't get a veto and this is true of much
But Teapot Dome was a good, old-fashioned case
legislation. Now, as far as the argument that
of graft. Simple, plain, ordinary graft. A
we want to control the Congress, this is not SO.
fellow selling his soul and selling his in-
We want a veto proof Congress so that the essent-
fluence -- a member of the Cabinet -- for money.
ial social legislation that we are interested in
There were two Cabinet members involved, Harry
will not be knocked down by one-third plus one
Daugherty was the Attorney General and Albert
in support of the President. I think that when
Fall who was the Secretary of the Interior.
we look for a veto proof Congress, we are looking
They were both indicted and Fall was convicted for
for something that is very practical.
selling access to the naval oil reserves to the
Sinclair 011 Company. This was up at Teapot
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, earlier you talked about
Dome in Wyoming.
some hard facts on the election. As things now
stand, if the President is still in office, what
But that was a very, very, simple, uncomplicated
type of numbers are you talking about?
case of graft not legal graft but I mean real
illegal graft.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
Page 5
When you compare that to Colson and Segretti,
REPORTER: What about the Mine Workers?
Haldeman and Ehrlichman and the President and
Mitchell and everybody else involved, why it
MEANY: Well, I don't know the Mine Workers. I
was nothing like Teapot Dome.
met Miller, the president of the Mine Workers,
only once and I don't know what the feeling is
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you think that COPE
there. Of course, they were part of the trade
should include impeachment votes in its right
union movement going way back to the early days.
and wrong votes in the fall?
They seem to have some real internal problems
still and they have certainly had other problems.
MEANY: That is something we haven't decided
They have a new contract coming up and I'm sure
but I think they should. And that's the way
he is preoccupied with those problems. I don't
we will most likely decide, I guess.
see any reason why the Miners should not be part
of the rade union movement as a whole.
REPORTER: What future do you see for organized
labor after all your years in the labor move-
REPORTER: Will you be aiding the Mine Workers
ment?
in any way in their negotiations?
MEANY: I'm quite optimistic about the future
MEANY: No.
of organized labor. I've seen organized labor
come from a fairly simple operation to a very
REPORTER: Any requests?
sophisticated operation. Our people, like all
of the other people in America, are better ed-
MEANY: No. He came in to see me with the Secre-
ucated and we are trying to see to it that they
tary treasurer as sort of a courtesy call. It
are even better educated in the future. I don't
was some months ago and we had a nice talk.
think that I have ever seen labor so active in
so many diverse areas that affect their lives,
REPORTER: No technical assistance?
and not only their lives but the lives of the
American people as a whole.
MEANY: No. Oh, no.
It was quite simple back in the old days. You
REPORTER: Have you had contact with Leonard
didn't get enough money in the pay envelope --
Woodcock or other representatives of the UAW
why? Because the boss wouldn't give it to you.
since their convention?
Now he had it but he just wouldn't give it to
MEANY: I haven't had personally but I meet Leonard
you. He was just an old meanie you know. He
from time to time in meetings and my relation-
just wouldn't give you that sort of money.
ship with him is good. I haven't talked to him
Then we would go to politicians and we would
but I understand that some of their people have
say "We don't like this legislation and because
some reservations and some problems but as far
we don't like it we want you to vote against it."
as I know there is no good trade union reason
We don't do that any more. We present the facts
why they should be out.
and figures, legal arguments and all this sort
of thing. We deal with everything that affects
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you were asked about the
the American community. We deal with everything
reaffiliation of the Teamsters and as I recall
that affects education, civil rights, consumer
you suggested that it would be up to them to
protection and so on. The scope of our activities
apply. Do you think the Teamsters would be
nas expanded tremendously in my years in the
eligible for readmission under your statutes?
trade union movement and I expect to see it ex-
pand further and I think we take a much more in-
MEANY: Many years ago we laid down a very
telligent approach to the problems.
simple prescription for the return of any union,
any union that wants to accept the constitution
I think that we are going to continue to have an
and the rulings of the AFL-CIO. Now, you have to
influence on the future of the country as a whole.
understand the Teamsters, while there was all
I don't mean just politically. I mean in every
this record of corruption and we knew about it,
other way. So, I'm quite an optimist about
that was not really technically -- the reason
the future of the trade union movement.
why they were expelled. Under our constitution,
we had' a right to call in any union that was
REPORTER: The merger, did it play a substantial
under suspicion of corrupt activity regarding
role in the labor movement?
handling of union financing and things like that.
Now, the Teamster's situation was really much
MEANY: When we merged there was one objective
more than a suspicion because of statements
that I had uppermost in my mind. That was to
given by officials of the Teamsters Union under
see that we didn't unmerge. So we are here now
oath. It was quite obvious that there was
almost twenty years, and I see no weakness in
corruption and misuse of money. That is not to
our merger.
say that we proved that but there was a very,
very strong suspicion. We call the Teamsters
REPORTER: What do you see about the prospect of
in and said that you have to appear before our
the Auto Workers coming back?
Ethical Practices Committee and you have to
explain your actions. And they said, "we will
MEANY: Oh, I think, the Auto Workers should be
not appear. We will not." Then we said, "This
back in the national trade union movement. I
is the constitution. You approved the consti-
think all organizations that can meet the re-
tution. Your president was one of the committee
quirements should be in and I think that or-
that wrote the constitution only two years be-
ganizations that can't meet the requirements
fore." Their reply was, "This. is our business
should not be in. As far as the Auto Workers
and we will not submit to questions
are concerned, there is no reason they shouldn't
be in. In my book there was no practical trade
So we put them out of the AFL-CIO on the basis
union reason for them to get out. We have very
that they would not abide by the Constitution.
good relations with them. I have very good re-
lations with Leonard Woodcock. We have good
cooperation on many issues and I think time will
take care of that. I'm quite sure they will be
back.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday August 6, 1974
Page 6
Now, if they were to come back, of course, this
question would still have to be answered. In
this way there is a difference between them and
the Auto Workers. The Auto Workers have no
constitutional problem at all. In 1961, after
a good deal of discussion at our Convention in
Miami in December of that year, we practically
invited the Teamsters to come back and to come
back under the constitution. Now, at that time
Hoffa was the president and he felt that he
couldn't meet those conditions because if he
came back he would have to answer some questions.
Right now, with the behavior of the Teamsters,
especially in this Farm Workers thing, I would
think there would be some other questions. You
see this is a voluntary organization. It is
voluntary in the sense that anybody can leave
it. It is also voluntary in the sense that
unions can say to another union that we don't
want you.
Under the circumstances then, I tell you very,
very frankly, while the Teamsters are doing the
work of the growers in California, kicking these
little Farm Workers around, I wouldn't want
them back in the AFL-CIO.
REPORTER: Do you think that Jimmy Hoffa should
be allowed back into the labor movement now?
MEANY: I think the restriction placed on Hoffa's
parole is very unusual. I think it is unfair
to place that restriction upon him, which means
that he can't participate in the affairs of the
trade union movement or in his own union. I
would hope, however, that the Teamsters would
never let him come back. It has nothing to do
with his right as an individual to try to come
back.
REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. Meany.
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For Release:
August 8, 1974
Attached are transcripts of the press
conferences held by AFL-CIO President George Meany
on Monday, August 5 and Tuesday, August 6, 1974
at the regular meeting of the AFL-CIO Executive
Council, Drake Hotel, Chicago, Illinois.
FORD
TRANSCRIPT OF:
PRESIDENT GEORGE MEANY'S PRESS CONFERENCE
MONDAY, AUGUST 5, 1974 -- EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETING
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
MEANY: Before getting into any questions that
MEANY: We have a long, long list of suggestions
you may have, I would like to announce that I
that we have made. Up to now they have received
have sitting along side of me Brother Meshel,
very little attention from the Administration
General Secretary of Histadrut, which is the
and actually as of the moment they have no plan.
Israeli Federation of Labor. Brother Meshel
I think cutting down the high interest rate would
appeared before the Executive Council this
help. I don't know anything that is more
morning and discussed some of the problems -
inflationary than high interest rates because
economic and military facing the Israeli people
high interest rates go into business expansion;
today. And, of course, we indicated to him that
they go into the cost of operating and they go
we are continuing to support Histadrut and to
into every phase of economic life. Eventually,
support Israel in its efforts to stay alive in
high interest rates are paid for by the
the Middle East.
consumer.
So Brother Meshel will be here and at the
I think it would help the situation if our tax
conclusion of my portion of the press conference
structure was readjusted. I think the exorbitant
he will be available for any questions that
profits -- these companies getting two or three
you may want to ask him about the situation
hundred percent in profits -- also have an impact
in Israel.
on the problem. But, in the final analysis, I
think it is up to the Administration that has
Now, you have a number of statements on the
come up with this disastrous policy -- inaugurated
economy, high interest rates, collective
in February 1969 -- to come up with a viable
bargaining and the economy, housing and, of
plan. I think it would be unfair to take the
course, a statement on Israel and a statement
housewife who is paying through the nose -- who is
on the farm workers. And, also a statement on
at the supermarket checkout counter -- and say
our attitude on the impeachment question.
to her "what are you complaining about. Do you
have a plan?"
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, have you been invited to
the White House to discuss inflation and if the
This is what we elect Congress for. This is
answer is "no" would you go if you were
what we elect Senators for. And, pardon the
invited?
expression, this is what we elect our President
for.
MEANY: Oh, yes, I have not been invited to
the White House to discuss the question of
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, last week you said that
inflation. I have talked to Mr. Rush, who is
the American public hasn't any confidence in our
the President's chief economic advisor, at the
President.
present time, and I have indicated that labor
in this country is, as it has always been,
MEANY: I think that was the greatest under-
involved, concerned, affected by inflation. In
statement I've ever made.
fact, we feel that the millions of people that
we represent are certainly among the first
REPORTER: Do you think we would be better off
victims of inflation. And, we are ready to
with Vice President Ford fighting inflation and
cooperate with the Administration in any viable
other things?
plan, any program that will help to solve this
problem.
MEANY: Well, I wouldn't make any prediction on
what Mr. Ford's policies would be. When you
I have made it quite clear to Mr. Rush that we
say "lack of confidence, lack of credibility."
are not prepared to become part of an
I think Ford would be an improvement because
Administration charade of some kind or
there would be a certain confidence in his
Administration publicity stunt, which seems to
integrity that we have evidentally lost with the
have been the Administration's responses to
present occupant of the White House.
all of these problems for the past several years.
Mr. Herb Stein would make a speech or McCracken,
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you have confidence in
when he was there, would make a speech.
Vice President Ford should he become President?
Arthur Burns would make a speech, the President
would make a speech but there was no substance
MEANY: I have confidence in his integrity. And
to the program. We got a lot of false
I think most of the American people would be
predictions, a lot of false promises. We were
willing to chip in and try to help get us over
told that we now could see the light at the
this problem which would surely ensue if the
end of the tunnel. We were told that last
President is convicted. I think there would be
quarter was bad; this quarter was bad; this
a certain amount of national unity displayed
quarter was going to be good; inflation rate
and I think that Vice President Ford, if he
is going to be down next December to where it
becomes President, would have that kind of
was last January and so on and so forth. And
support. And I amsure that at least he would
none of this panned out.
have the support of the trade union movement
insofar as we could consistently support him in
I made it quite clear to Mr. Rush that we would
view of our problem and our policies.
not take part in any publicity stunts or any-
thing that was designed solely to indicate that
Vice President Ford is a conservative, you know
the President was concerned with this problem.
but we have lived in this country with
If, however, they had a program -- a program
conservatives before and the conservative with
that made sense -- that we would cooperate in
integrity is far better than what we have
every possible way to do what we could to meet
today in the White House.
this particular problem.
I don't know whether President Nixon is conser-
REPORTER: Do you have any suggestions, Sir?
vative or radical or what he is and I'm sure that
he himself doesn't know.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Monday, August 5, 1974
Page 2
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, in your opinion, could
have to have that kind of inflation. We didn't
there be a quicker solution to the economic
have it before; we didn't have it under
problems if the President resigned?
Kennedy; we didn't have it under Johnson; we
didn't have it under Eisenhower. Why do we have
MEANY: Yes. And I don't agree with those who
to have it under this man now in the White
say that there is something undemocratic about
House? And, I contend that we don't have to
resigning or that resigning 1S a terrible thing.
have it. Just because Brazil has a great
Resigning resolved the Spiro problem and nobody
inflation or some other countries do, we don't
seemed to get excited. I have not heard
have to have it.
anyone say that the country is in very, very
bad shape because Spiro resigned and if the
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, was there any difference
President resigned, I don't think it would be
in the Council on the impeachment state ent?
as shocking to the country.
MEANY: Yes. There were two members of the
REPORTER: If the President were to resign, would
Council that did not agree with the statement.
you favor granting him immunity?
REPORTER: Could you name them?
MEANY: The question of granting him immunity
is something that has been spoken about -- I
MEANY: Mr. Wurf and Mr. Hall.
would say I would have no interest in seeing
the President have any further troubles. All I
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, in the statement you said
want of the President is to just go away.
that in effect the Council supports the
impeachment proceedings.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you see any relation-
ship between the President's problems and the
MEANY: The impeachment proceedings are the only
economy?
proceedings provided by the Constitution to
bring the President to task.
MEANY: There is a relationship between the
President's scrambling to maintain himself in
REPORTER: In a nut shell, what would the
office and the economy itself. Now, I am not
President's removal and the succession of the
a financial expert. I'm not an expert in the
Vice President Ford mean to the people that
stock market but I can read the figures. The
you represent?
stock market is certainly reacting to the
President's lack of leadership. It is
MEANY: In a nut shell?
reacting specifically to tight money, high
interest rates.
REPORTER: In a nut shell.
The thing that I can't understand is after you
MEANY: In a nut shell they would look at the
go five years down one road and you go down,
White House and they would see a fellow who
down, down into economic disaster that you
looks like he is honest and has integrity and
still maintain the same theory that started you
we would hope that the American people would
down the road -- restricted credit, tight
rally around him.
money, high interest rates, high unemployment.
REPORTER: Economically, what specifically do
This is Arthur Burns' philosophy enunciated in
you know about Vice President Ford?
February 1969. We weren't doing too badly
then. We had a little over 4% inflation rate
MEANY: He is very conservative in his attitude.
and now we have an almost 12% inflation now.
He never introduced a bill in 25 years in the
We still had 5-3/4%, 5½ interest. A person in
House of Representatives under his own name
the middle income bracket could buy a home.
but, you see, he is the only Vice President we
A person in the $25,000-a-year class can't buy
have.
a home in America today unless he is willing
togo down into the older portions of our cities.
REPORTER: And you say in a nut shell that Mr.
Ford would be better than Mr. Nixon?
In view of this absolute economic disaster, I
can't understand Arthur Burns, who is the
MEANY: In a nut shell, he is the only Vice
architect, refusing to change his attitudes.
President we have.
He is still where he was in February 1969. Still
REPORTER: What is your assessment of Mr. Ford?
going down the road -- restricted credit, tight
money. Everything is determined by money and
MEANY: Oh, my assessment -- you mean on his
the cost of money and until this changes I
performance since he has become Vice President?
think we are going to continue to go down the
I think it is horrible. I think he should
road to further economic trouble.
keep his mouth shut.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, the President, the
REPORTER: Could you elaborate?
Administration suggested that the problem is as
real as you say but they also say that there is
MEANY: I could but I won't.
a world-wide inflation and that the problem
here in the United States is no different than
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, since you offered, on
in any other country.
behalf of the AFL-CIO to cooperate, what is the
present attitude on wage and price controls?
MEANY: That's what they say and I don't buy it.
There is a world-wide lack of freedom. There are
MEANY: Our position on wage and price controls
a tremendous number of people in this world who
is the same as it was eight years ago. We have
haven't their freedom. We still have our free-
no objections to equitable controls. We have
dom in this country. Yet, there are countries
no objections if that is the answer. But we
under dictatorship that have as high as 300
do object to controlling wages and not controlling
percent inflation but that doesn't mean that we
interest rates, not controlling dividends, not
controlling every last item that goes into this
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Monday. August 5, 1974
Page 3
structure, not controlling income of every
REPORTER: How long are you going to sit back
particular type, not controlling the price in
and see if his program 1S going?
the grocery store, in the supermarket, in the
drug store. In other words, we now have equity
MEANY: I don't know. I can see your point.
on this question of controls because there are
If you want to cooperate you have to say, "well,
no controls. The only thing that is equitable
there is going to be no criticism. We are going
is no controls or absolutely complete and
to try to cooperate for X number of months or
total controls.
weeks." But even there, there is an unspoken
reservation because if he sent a message to
I mentioned this to President Nixon back in 1971
Congress calling for a piece of legislation --
and he threw his hands up and said that would take
let's say to follow Secretary Simon's program
a bureaucracy of 300,000 people -- something
of $20 billion budget cut -- you know, taking
like we had in World War II. Well, we might
it out of the hides of the aged and the poor
have been better off if he had set up a
-- we couldn't agree with anything like that.
bureaucracy of 300,000 people than to go through
So the honeymoon could last maybe overnight --
the farce that he went through beginning in
I just don't know.
August 1971 with Phase I, Freeze I, Phase II,
Freeze II and so on and so forth and leave us
But my inclination would certainly be to
where the people are being badly, badly hurt
cooperate in a situation where a President is
by this whole situation.
removed or resigned and we have a new man in
there. My inclination would be to cooperate
It might have been less expensive to have set
in every possible way. Reserving of course,
up a big bureaucracy.
a right to protect our own interest.
REPORTER: The White House is running a series
REPORTER: If the Vice President continues his
of economic road shows.
support of the President, saying he believes
in his innocence, would that diminish your
MEANY: I'm not sure they are doing that. They
belief in the Vice President's integrity?
started one here in Chicago on the 26th. I'm
not sure that that's not now inoperative,
MEANY: Well, that 1S a very good question. In
as Ron would say.
fact, it gives you cause to think that if he
feels the President has done no wrong and that
REPORTER: All the contact with labor was with
the President is innocent of all these things
the Teamsters. What was your advice to your
and that if he becomes President that he might
affiliates?
do the same thing -- now, I just don't believe
that. I don't believe he would set up an
MEANY: They did contact me at the last
espionage unit and stuff like that. I'm
minute. Some White House physician -- I don't
willing to just take this as political loyalty
know who he represents. He is in the White
and let it go at that.
House. Whether he is in charge of the aspirin
division over there, I don't know. But he
REPORTER: If he becomes President through the
contacted me and wanted me to get somebody
impeachment process or resignation do you
out here to Chicago to this meeting. I
think Vice President Ford would be an easy
called and found out that the meeting was all
mark for the Democrats in 1976?
set and that all the arrangements were made
through the Chicago Association of Commerce
MEANY: No. No, I do not.
and Industry or whatever they call it. I
felt that I was not going to take a left-handed,
The idea that the Democrats have a pushover in
last-minute invitation of that type, especially
1976, I don't buy that at all. If Nixon is
when the man in charge out here for the
still in the White House in 197+ yes. They
Commerce and Industry Association was asked
could put my Aunt Tillie up and she would win.
about it, he just said, "Oh, it's just
propaganda for the President." I'm not
REPORTER: Mr. Meany what other candidates
interested, as I said before, in stunts.
besides your Aunt Tillie would you like to see
President?
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, there has been a lot of
speculation about your relationship with Robert
MEANY: Now, I didn't say that : would like for
Strauss and the Democratic party. What are
my Aunt Tillie to run. I was just saying she
your relationships?
could win.
MEANY: Well, I met him once or twice -- three
REPORTER: What other candidates do the
times really. Once we had a cocktail together.
Democrats.
My relationship with him is nothing. Nothing.
He is in charge of the Democratic party. I
MEANY: If Nixon is still in in 196 it wouldn't
happen to be the elected head of the trade
make any difference. If Ford is there and the
union movement. And there is no connection
country has come out of the du ldrums to some
between my organization and his organization.
extent, Ford would be a very. very serious
I have a lot of good friends who are Democrats
candidate for reelection. The mar. in the
and they are interested in the Democratic
White House always has a certain advantage and,
party and I wou'd like to see them play a
of course, the Democrats might want to commit
larger role in the Democratic party. As far as
suicide again. You can never tell. They
I'm concerned, and as far as the AFL-CIO is
still have those suicidal tendencies within the
concerned, I have no connection with the
party.
Democratic party and have no intention of
having any connection.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you think that if a
Democratic Congress is elected in November, it
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, if Vice President Ford
should do something about inflation?
should become President how long a honeymoon
would he have?
MEANY: I don't know.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Monday, August 5, 1974
Page 4
MEANY: Yes, I think that, under the present
MEANY: No, no, no, I don't. This may be
circumstances, we have to look to the Congress
considered reckless. Some may say this is a
to do something about this situation, for
reckless statement. No, I don't see any
instance, in the housing industry where we
limits. I think it would be crazy to ask for
are in a deplorable situation -- where millions
25% when inflation is up 12%. But if inflation
of people can't buy new homes because of the
is up 12%, what is the answer? What are
tremendous cost of hiring the money. I think
the unions in business for? They are in business
that the Congress could pass legislation of
to try to keep their people alive. That's why
various kinds. I think that they could set up
there are cost of living escalator clauses, which
billions of dollars to provide 6% money. Six
have been in vogue for 20 years at least, in
percent money would revive the housing
collective bargaining. What are they for? They
industry, revive it over night. It would have
are to keep pace and any union that wants to keep
a tremendous impact on all of our domestic
pace now has to get 12%.
economic problems. I think they could order
the Federal Reserve for instance to order
REPORTER: Do you think they will go much beyond
the financial institution to take a certain
that? Are they acting recklessly, though?
percentage of money and divert it to socially
important projects that are important to
MEANY: I think the most reckless people in
people rather than just putting it up to the
America today are the money changers. They are
highest bidder and, if the highest bidder, is
the people who are going to bring this economy
a gambling casino, that's where the loan goes.
to collapse. And, what is the motivation? It
So, I think that we have to look to Congress to
is very simple, a very simple word -- greed.
help in this domestic economic situation.
No other motivation.
REPORTER: Are you waiting until after
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you mean
November for the new Congress
MEANY: I mean the bankers, yes.
MEANY: Oh, no, we are pressing this Congress.
I don't think we can wait another six months.
REPORTER: You made your position clear and
labor has on impeachment
REPORTER: What would be your legislative
priorities next year?
MEANY: I always make my position perfectly
clear.
MEANY: National Health Insurance, restoring
the programs that the President destroyed.
REPORTER: And on the resignation -- what are your
Many of the programs that we felt were socially
views on this third alternative -- that the
important that they want to eliminate -- that
President temporarily step aside?
Mr. Simon wants to eliminate. He wants, for
instance, to cut down by 8% aid to the elderly.
MEANY: You mean, Senator Proxmire?
He wants to cut back the social security
increases just for the next six months so to
That's possible under the 25th amendment, but
save $4.3 billion and things like that. We
I don't know that that would make anybody happy
would see that those things just didn't happen.
except Proxmire. It wouldn't make me happy,
I know that.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, how do you feel about the
program Senator Bentsen outlined for the
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you recently made a state-
Democrats? Is that a viable program?
ment where you targeted certain banks, like
the Chase Manhattan Bank, First City Corp. and
MEANY: I'm sorry, I didn't get a chance to
other Rockefeller controlled banks.
study his program. That was when he replied
to the President.
MEANY: Well, that's on these new city notes that
are going to divert money from savings and
REPORTER: What about the cost of living task
loans. Now savings and loan institutions in
force?
this country have been for many, many years a
great source of money for building homes. People
MEANY: The cost of living task force to me --
put their money in and they loan it out on home
we will have a statement on that later -- but
building and they are limited now to somewhere
off-the-cuff, the cost of living task force
in the 5-3/4% range. These new city bonds, as
composed of Cabinet people and the economic
they call them, with a floating rate and a
advisers to the President and nobody else --
guarantee that they put a base under the rate
all government people and he wants a million
over a certain length of time are going for the
dollar appropriation from the Congress -- this
same type of money that would normally go into
is a complete and absolute phoney. He can
savings and loans -- and giving them 9.7%. Of
appoint that task force tomorrow morning and he
course, they are long term bonds but they can
has plenty of funds. This idea that this is
be cashed in after a certain amount of time. And
something new, that this is something that he
this is going to drain money from the savings
doesn't have. He has all these people if
and loans -- and none of this money is going to
he wants their advice -- they are all in the
do anything for the housing industry.
White House, his economic advisers, his
Cabinet people. So this cost of living task
REPORTER: Going back to politics for a minute.
force is a real phoney.
A couple of years ago you said that the
Democratic party was in shambles -- how would
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, the last time you told us
you assess it today?
that with inflation going up 10 to 12% that
workers were justified in seeking wage benefits
MEANY: Well, they are now in shambles plus two
above that level. Do you see any limit to
years.
what unions shuld seek?
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Monday, August 5, 1974
Page 5
REPORTER: With regard to direct mortgage loans
for housing -- how hard could you push that?
MEANY: We are going to push just as hard as we
can push because it is of tremendous importance.
It's important in two ways. It would help the
industry where we have hundreds of thousands
-- a couple of million members. But it is
important too for our 14 million members and
their families. They can't get homes. It is
important for many, many millions more who
don't belong to our unions. After all a home
you live in is just about the most basic thing
you have outside of finding food, so this is
something that we are going to press very hard.
To try to get a reasonable interest structure
for loaning money for housing. I don't know
of anything more important.
REPORTER: The idea of the direct loans
MEANY: I don't care if they are direct or
government guaranteed or whether the Federal
Reserve uses its power or whether Congress
directs them to use their power to allocate a
certain amount of money. I don't care where
it comes from but I think it's the government's
obligation. Just as the government stepped in
the other day and there was a real hustle and
bustle over on Capitol Hill and within a day
or two there were $2 billion allocated for
Earl Butz' friends, who were in real trouble.
The people who were gouging us a year ago in
the beef cattle industry are now in trouble.
Because of that they got $2 billion overnight,
almost. So, if they can get $2 billion of
government credits and government backup credits
then they are millions and millions of Americans
who ought to get some consideration in their
search for a decent home.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, would you recommend that
there ought to be a ceiling on the amount of
interest on those loans for housing?
MEANY: Oh, yes. Oh, absolutely. In other words,
if the government is going to allocate a lot
of money and it will still be at 10 or 11 or
12%, that's not worth it. I think we have to
get back to 6% money. The 5-3/4% money.
REPORTER: What will that do, Mr. Meany, to the
price of the products that go into the home --
lumber and other things? Wouldn't they demand
a substantial increase?
MEANY: I don't know.
REPORTER: Thank you.
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TRANSCRIPT OF:
PRESIDENT GEORGE MEANY'S PRESS CONFERENCE
TUESDAY, AUGUST 6, 1974 -- EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETING
CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
MEANY: A number of statements have been distri-
This tape indicates that he knew about it and
buted about various problems to which we addressed
was informed about it six days after it happen-
ourselves.
ed and it also indicates that he took action to
clock the investigations that were underway
I would like to call particular attention to the
at that time. In other words, that he at
statement on the retirement from the Council
that time took action to cover up.
of Philip Randolph, who is past president of
the Brotherhood of Sleeping Car Porters. This
This is only one more in the great load of
statement represents in a brief way what our
stuff which has come out which indicates that
thoughts are of Phil Randolph.
the President surely should be impeached.
And surely should be tried by the Senate as
It would take a much longer statement to really
failing to live up to his oath of office.
do justice to Phil Randolph and the contribution
that he has made over the years, not only to
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, on one of those tapes,
the advancement of the blacks in America and
the one I think at two o'clock on the afternoon
in the trade union movement but the contribu-
of the 23rd, the President mentioned Shultz
tion that he has made for the cause of human
as having done a good job on the Meany thing.
freedom all over.
MEANY: I read that. I don't know -- I'll
It is kind of sad for me personally because of
have to ask blue eyes about that when I see
my close association with him, going back many
him. Because I don't know whether when he said
years, to see him in retirement. That's the
Shultz did a good job on the Meany thing maybe
way things go and I want to publicly express
he did an investigation and kept me off the
appreciation and my great admiration for an
enemies list. I really don't know. I'll
old devoted trade unionist. Without casting
have to talk to George about that.
any doubt on Martin Luther King who was, of
course, the great proponent of non-violence,
I had just come back from Europe that week.
Phil Randolph carried the torch and, in the
I had been over to Europe about 10 days and I
early years, in fact all his life, advocated
recall it right well because somebody had
progress without violence. He believed progress
called my office, according to reports that
could be made without violence.
developed later, demanding that I go to New
York to talk to George McGovern. That he
We have elected two new members of the Council.
wanted me to come up there to see him and who
One in place of Phil Randolph and the other to
was I not to go up -- this was a great oppor-
take the place of John Griner, who died a short
tunity to talk to the man who was going to
time back. John was with the American Federation
be President. Anyway, I told them to go to hell.
of Government Employees.
The story came out later that this was not
Gary Hart at all but this was someone from
The two new Council members are C.L. Dellums,
Colson's office imitating Hart. That happened
who is president of the Brotherhood of the
that very week, that is how I remember. But
Sleeping Car Porters, and Francis Filbey, who is
as far as what the President was talking to
president of our great Postal Union.
Shultz about, I have no idea.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, is Mr. Randolph retiring
REPORTER: Do you think that Shultz could have
because of illness?
been a part of that plan to get Colson to
call you?
MEANY: Well, yes. His health has failed but
he is mentally alert. I talked to him a very
MEANY: No. Of that I'm quite positive. No,
short time ago and frankly I think the main
not Shultz.
reason he is retiring is that the doctor has
told him that he does not want him to travel.
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, yesterday you said the
He feels travel is dangerous for him. Phil
AFL-CIO was adopting a hands-off policy on
Randolph is about 86. Mentally he is fine, but
impeachment lobbying activity. Does this latest
physically he has gone back.
development yesterday change that?
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, would you give us the
MEANY: No. No. We presented our position
reaction of labor to the latest Watergate dis-
some months ago. We documented it for our own
closures?
people and for our own paper. We distributed
that documentation to the press. I think it
MEANY: Well, the latest disclosure just adds
was 19 items on which we thought the President
to the wealth of evidence that the Congress will
should stand trial on impeachment charges and we
have before it under the impeachment pro-
finished that series of articles sometime in
ceedings. Looking at it, from just what is on
January. We have, of course, printed the news
the tapes, would indicate that the President did
in our press since then but we sent word out
not tell us the truth when he said he didn't
then, or at least I did, to our people over
know about this operation and had nothing to do
on Capitol Hill that there was to be no tradi-
with trying to cover it up. He has been saying
tional lobbying.
repeatedly that it wasn't until March 21, 1973
that he really found out what it was all about.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
Page 2
Now there is a difference between expressing
Now, the best he can hope for, and this is
an opinion on things that happen, and that, of
being practical about it, is to perhaps escape
course, we are going to continue to do. But
conviction by the Senate and if he does it
lobbying is something different. Lobbying
will be by a narrow vote. And then we would
is where you go and you count noses. You see
have practically a lame-duck President for
a Senator or a Congressman in his office and
the next two years, I don't think that
try to persuade him and put him on record.
America -- and I'm looking at it from the
That we do every day of the week, on all sorts
point of view of the nation
of legislation -- legislation that affects labor,
I'm looking at it from the point of view
legislation that affects consumers, legislation
that Americans can afford to go through that
on civil rights, legislation on education. It
sort of situation for the next two years.
is a day-to-day job that we do all the time
with the staff, not with just the AFL-CIO but
REPORTER: Do you think that he would submit
the staff of the international unions.
himself to the Senate?
As far as I know, all of the unions have
MEANY: I don't know. He keeps saying that
followed our lead. We are not lobbying on this
he will not submit a resignation and, of
question. We are not trying to press a Congress-
course, other people have said that and have
man or a Senator as to how he or she should
changed their minds. Even today he said
vote. And as far as I'm concerned, we will not
again that he would not submit his resignation.
do that.
I merely say, as one individual, as one
American citizen, that I think it would be
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, does this news change
the best thing for the country if he would
your views on your desires for the President
submit his resignation and do it immediately.
to resign?
REPORTER: What do you mean, you don't think
MEANY: It does not. In fact, it reinforces my
the nation could take a lame-duck sident
view that the President should resign.
for two years?
I think it is quite clear that what we face for
MEANY: Well, I think our economy would continue
the next four months or so is certainly
to go down hill. I think we are approaching
bad for this nation. We do not have a
a disastrous -- not a recession, we are in a
functioning executive branch. The Pre sident
recession now -- we are approaching a dis-
is not functioning as he should under these
astrous depression. We see the head of one
circumstances. And it is quite obvious why.
of our largest banks saying that he hasn't
The Departments are without direction. There
dismissed the possibility of a panic, finan-
are all sorts of unfilled positions. There
cial panic. And, I think that one of the
is a complete lack of policy from the Execu-
contributing causes is the lack of confidence
tive branch. And, on the question of foreign
in this country in the Executive Branch at
affairs, how can a Secretary of State, a
the present time, And I think a couple of
competent Secretary of State, operate when his
more years of this would be disastrous.
principal is in a sense crippled, and the people
across the world know this. So, this places
REPORTER: If Gerald Ford becomes President,
an awful handicap on anyone who has to conduct
would you like to see him make changes in
foreign policy. We are going to have sort
the current Cabinet?
of a hiatus there for the next four months.
MEANY: Oh, I don't think that it's a question
Then we have the schedule in the House where
of what I would like. I think that if Gerald
on the 19th of August they are going to start
Ford became President he would have to look
to debate the Judiciary Committee's report.
at the Cabinet and he would have to appoint
It is going to take them a couple of weeks and,
a Cabinet of the type of people that Gerald
of course, it seems quite obvious that some-
Ford would feel comfortable with. I think
where toward the end of August they will approve
this would result in major changes in the
articles of impeachment.
Cabinet. I don't think that everybody would
go down the drain but I think there would be
The the President has to have a month or so in
major changes. I think this would just be
September to prepare his defense. Then the
normal -- a new man would want people close
Senate goes into an impeachment trial around
to him, people he knew better than the people
the first of October. So, when you look at it
that are in there. So I'm sure there would
you see for the next four months a crippled
be changes.
executive branch really not functioning, and
I don't think there is any room for argument
REPORTER: Would you like to see a new Secre-
of this, and, we see our legislative branch
tary of Labor?
completely preoccupied with impeachment proce-
dures for the next four months. So this means
MEANY: I'd like to see that tomorrow.
a period between now and perhaps Thanksgiving
where there is going to be no real direction and
REPORTER: How about Kissinger?
I think this is bad.
MEANY: I think Kissinger is a very competent
I think it is bad for the country. I think it
man in his position. I don't agree with some
is bad for the people and for that reason I
of the things that he is doing but he is
feel that it would be the best thing for the
doing things under the sponsorship of the
President under these circumstances to resign.
President. He represents the President and I
think he might do a much better job under some
other President.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
Page 3'
REPORTER: Who would you like to see as Vice
You see, when you bring people into the trade
President under a President Ford?
union movement, the first thing that you have
to ask is "can we do something for them?"
MEANY: I don't know, I'll have to look at that.
You don't bring them in just to have them in,
just to put a trade union label or them. The
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you foresee formation
second thing is: "Do they fit in to the
of a public employees department in the AFL-CIO?
movement?" After all in the movement we expect
cooperation. We expect one union to help
MEANY: I'm chartering a public employees
another. We expect one worker, who is in
department today. I'm sorry I didn't tell you
trouble, to be helped by other workers, who
that but that is one of the things that I
are closely associated with him. I can
announced to the Council.
readily see where picket lines might be
effective and I could see why they wouldn't
REPORTER: Who is going to be in charge of that?
be effective -- take a ball player, a foot-
ball player getting $25,000 a game -- it runs
MEANY: Whoever they elect. There are 12 unions
that high -- respecting a picket line to
and there will be more coming in and it will be
protect a $4 a hour ticket seller.
whoever they select. That will be their job.
So there is a community of nterest that
REPORTER: With a membership, of about how
normally exists where there 1S a normal
many?
employer-employee relationship. These people
are professional athletes and, in a sense,
MEANY: About 2 million.
they are independent cont Actors. They
contract for their own vices. So, we have
REPORTER: Do you think you will ever see
always felt that there was no real service that
collective bargaining for public employees in
could be performed by a trade union that could
Chieago as long as Richard Daley is mayor?
not be performed or done for them by an
association such as the baseball players have
MEANY: I have no information on the collective
now.
bargaining situation in Chicago. If they don't
have collective bargaining, I'd be a little
REPORTER: Have they contacted you at all?
bit surprised. I see collective bargining
MEANY: No. No.
widening for public employees all over this
country. In other words, I don't think public
employees are going to be any longer treated as
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, about the Farm Workers.
a class of workers apart from other workers.
What is the status of that resolution yesterday?
They are the same as other workers; they have the
Have you talked to Mr. Fitzsimmons? Was there
any progress?
same problems and no matter what special laws
you write for them they will strike and they
will strike successfully and that applies, in
MEANY: No. We reached an agreement with
my book, to Chicago as well as any other city.
Fitzsimmons last year and it was quite compre-
hensive. It took a long time to negotiate. In
fact, the agreement came after a full three
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, Mayor Daley has been
characterized as a friend of labor, and yet
days' session and then Mr. Fitzsimmons repudiated
he, almost singularly among big city mayors,
it after a meeting with his Executive Board. We
have had no contact with him since. We are
has dragged his feet on collective bargaining.
pursuing the boycott as the best means of helping
MEANY: I have no information on that and I
the Farm Workers. In fact, it seems to be the
really don't know anything about it. In fact,
only means now because, as far as physical
I'm a little bit surprised when you tell me
possession of those fields out there we are up
that.
against the Teamsters, the Teamster goons. We
are up against the state government which 1S
very, very definitely on the side of the ranch
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, have you given any thought
to organizing professional athletes?
owners. Our only recourse is the boycott and I
think eventually we will do something for the
Farm Workers by that method.
MEANY: No. From time to time that matter has
come up to the Executive Council, but not in
REPORTER: Are any AFL-CIO monies going to the
recent years. I remember here in Chicago, oh, a
Farm Workers at this point?
good many years ago a little fellow by the name of
Marty McManus, who was the infielder for the old
St. Louis Browns, came in and he met with a
MEANY: Not directly, no. We, of course, gave
them $1.6 million last year as you will remember.
committee of the old American Federation of Labor
They are getting help from the various unions
Executive Council. We told him that we would
but we do not have an AFL-CIO monthly allotment
not organize baseball players because they
such as we had for many, many years.
were independent contractors and that they did
not fit into the trade union picture. We felt
that the things that they were interested in
They are collecting dues, of course, and they are
getting help from other unions.
could very well be accomplished by a sort of
fraternal association with a good lawyer. And
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, in view of Watergate and
that is what has really happened. I think that
impeachment procedures, what do you see the out-
the professional baseball players under Marvin
look for the Congressional elections this fall?
Miller, their lawyer, are doing quite well.
Now, of course, the football players are trying
to achieve somewhat the same result. They are
starting a little later.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
Page 4
MEANY: Well, I don't have any crystal ball but
MEANY: I'd say 60. They would lose 60 seats.
I do have some pretty solid information. As it
They would go down to the lowest they have been
stands now, it is going to be a disaster for
in many years. I'll make that as a prediction.
the Republican party. I mean a real disaster.
If he is still in there and we have got this
The people in the marginal districts who won
thing unresolved, they will lose 60 seats.
by 6 or 8 or 10 percent a couple of years ago -
many, many of them are going to go down the
REPORTER: In the House?
drain.
MEANY: In the House. I have no particular facts
However, I'm a realist. There would be a tre-
about the Senate.
mendous change and a tremendous improvement in
their prospects if Nixon would resign at this
REPORTER: Are you going to support Senator Mc-
time.
Govern?
I think this whole Watergate, as part of the
MEANY: Our people in South Dakota are supporting
Republican picture, would more or less disappear
and have endorsed Senator McGovern. What you
if the President would disappear from the
have to keep in mind is, we do not endorse Cong-
political scene. But if he is still in there
ressman or Senators in Washington. The only
and this Senate trial is going on, with all this
endorsements that we make in national COPE, or
stuff that keeps coming out - in fact, there
the AFL-CIO, is every four years we have an
seems to be no end to Watergate revelations.
opportunity to endorse a candidate for President
They keep coming and coming and coming for months.
and a candidate for Vice President. All the
other endorsements are made at the local level
Somebody said the other day that the other shoe
and at the state level. And we rarely quarrel
dropped. And a fellow said "No. That's the
with those endorsements.
465th shoe that dropped."
REPORTER: Will you attend the Democratic mini-
If this thing keeps going on and this scenario
convention?
keeps developing until the first week of
November, it just spells disaster for the Re-
MEANY: No.
publicans. No matter what they say, they cannot
divorce themselves from their man in the White
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you have made your pre-
House. He is Mr. Republican and should be, of
dictions on the Republican losses of 60 seats
course, they keep saying that the Republican
if the President stays in. You said it would be
party had nothing to do with CREEP, that CREEP
less if he resigns. Do you have a prediction
was a separate institution.
in that event?
Well, I don't think the average voter would make
MEANY: No. No, I say their chances would be
that distinction. CREEP was a Republican entity,
better if he were out of there.
just the same as the Republican National Com-
mittee but technically they were separate.
REPORTER: Do you have any feelings that you are
approaching a milestone in your life? Do you
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, two questions. Do you
have any feeling about the political problems
believe you will get a veto proof Congress?
in Washington in relation to some of the things
you have seen in past?
MEANY: Well, when we say we want a veto proof
Congress, we are thinking in terms of the many
MEANY: You know to me it is a great time be-
social programs that the President refused to
cause things are happening everyday that there
fund and many things that we are interested in
is no precedent for -- things that just never
that he has been definitely against. We are
happened before. Every piece of news that I
thinking in terms of a Congress that can override
hear about on these tapes or what the President
vetoes. It is just as practical as that. You
did or what he said or what memo's were altered
know, if you have the votes to override a veto,
and falsified. You just say, "incredible,"
quite often you don't get a veto.
"impossible." But these things happen.
In September 1973 the President vetoed a minimum
REPORTER: Have you ever seen anything like that
wage bill and that veto was sustained by a very,
before?
very small margin of votes. We passed that same
bill in the spring of this year and we repassed
MEANY: No. I don't think there is any question
it by such an overwhelming vote that we didn't
that there has never been corruption in govern-
get a veto. He signed the identical bill early
ment, at least at this high level, to the extent
this year that he vetoed last August or September.
that there is today. You take Teapot Dome, I
can tell you about that, I don't think there is
So, when we demonstrated that the votes were there,
anyone in the room that remembers it but me.
we didn't get a veto and this is true of much
But Teapot Dome was a good, old-fashioned case
legislation. Now, as far as the argument that
of graft. Simple, plain, ordinary graft. A
we want to control the Congress, this is not SO.
fellow selling his soul and selling his in-
We want a veto proof Congress so that the essent-
fluence -- a member of the Cabinet -- for money.
ial social legislation that we are interested in
There were two Cabinet members involved, Harry
will not be knocked down by one-third plus one
Daugherty was the Attorney General and Albert
in support of the President. I think that when
Fall who was the Secretary of the Interior.
we look for a veto proof Congress, we are looking
They were both indicted and Fall was convicted for
for something that is very practical.
selling access to the naval oil reserves to the
Sinclair Oil Company. This was up at Teapot
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, earlier you talked about
Dome in Wyoming.
some hard facts on the election. As things now
stand, if the President is still in office, what
But that was a very, very, simple, uncomplicated
type of numbers are you talking about?
case of graft -- not legal graft but I mean real
illegal graft.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday, August 6, 1974
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When you compare that to Colson and Segretti,
REPORTER: What about the Mine Workers?
Haldeman and Ehrlichman and the President and
Mitchell and everybody else involved, why it
MEANY: Well, I don't know the Mine Workers. I
was nothing like Teapot Dome.
met Miller, the president of the Mine Workers,
only once and I don't know what the feeling is
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, do you think that COPE
there. Of course, they were part of the trade
should include impeachment votes in its right
union movement going way back to the early days.
and wrong votes in the fall?
They seem to have some real internal problems
still and they have certainly had other problems.
MEANY: That is something we haven't decided
They have a new contract coming up and I'm sure
but I think they should. And that's the way
he is preoccupied with those problems. I don't
we will most likely decide, I guess.
see any reason why the Miners should not be part
of the trade union movement as a whole.
REPORTER: What future do you see for organized
labor after all your years in the labor move-
REPORTER: Will you be aiding the Mine Workers
ment?
in any way in their negotiations?
MEANY: I'm quite optimistic about the future
MEANY: No.
of organized labor. I've seen organized labor
come from a fairly simple operation to a very
REPORTER: Any requests?
sophisticated operation. Our people, like all
of the other people in America, are better ed-
MEANY: No. He came in to see me with the Secre-
ucated and we are trying to see to it that they
tary treasurer as sort of a courtesy call. It
are even better educated in the future. I don't
was some months ago and we had a nice talk.
think that I have ever seen labor so active in
so many diverse areas that affect their lives,
REPORTER: No technical assistance?
and not only their lives but the lives of the
American people as a whole.
MEANY: No. Oh, no.
It was quite simple back in the old days. You
REPORTER: Have you had contact with Leonard
didn't get enough money in the pay envelope --
Woodcock or other representatives of the UAW
why? Because the boss wouldn't give it to you.
since their convention?
Now he had it but he just wouldn't give it to
MEANY: I haven't had personally but I meet Leonard
you. He was just an old meanie you know. He
from time to time in meetings and my relation-
just wouldn't give you that sort of money.
ship with him is good. I haven't talked to him
Then we would go to politicians and we would
but I understand that some of their people have
say "We don't like this legislation and because
some reservations and some problems but as far
we don't like it we want you to vote against it."
as I know there is no good trade union reason
We don't do that any more. We present the facts
why they should be out.
and figures, legal arguments and all this sort
of thing. We deal with everything that affects
REPORTER: Mr. Meany, you were asked about the
the American community. We deal with everything
reaffiliation of the Teamsters and as I recall
that affects education, civil rights, consumer
you suggested that it would be up to them to
protection and so on. The scope of our activities
apply. Do you think the Teamsters would be
nas expanded tremendously in my years in the
eligible for readmission under your statutes?
trade union movement and I expect to see it ex-
pand further and I think we take a much more in-
MEANY: Many years ago we laid down a very
telligent approach to the problems.
simple prescription for the return of any union,
any union that wants to accept the constitution
I think that we are going to continue to have an
and the rulings of the AFL-CIO. Now, you have to
influence on the future of the country as a whole.
understand the Teamsters, while there was all
I don't mean just politically. I mean in every
this record of corruption and we knew about it,
other way. So, I'm quite an optimist about
that was not really -- technically -- the reason
the future of the trade union movement.
why they were expelled. Under our constitution,
we had a right to call in any union that was
REPORTER: The merger, did it play a substantial
under suspicion of corrupt activity regarding
role in the labor movement?
handling of union financing and things like that.
Now, the Teamster's situation was really much
MEANY: When we merged there was one objective
more than a suspicion because of statements
that I had uppermost in my mind. That was to
given by officials of the Teamsters Union under
see that we didn't unmerge. So we are here now
oath. It was quite obvious that there was
almost twenty years, and I see no weakness in
corruption and misuse of money. That is not to
our merger.
say that we proved that but there was a very,
very strong suspicion. We call the Teamsters
REPORTER: What do you see about the prospect of
in and said that you have to appear before our
the Auto Workers coming back?
Ethical Practices Committee and you have to
explain your actions. And they said, "we will
MEANY: Oh, I think, the Auto Workers should be
not appear. We will not." Then we said, "This
back in the national trade union movement. I
is the constitution. You approved the consti-
think all organizations that can meet the re-
tution. Your president was one of the committee
quirements should be in and I think that or-
that wrote the constitution only two years be-
ganizations that can't meet the requirements
fore." Their reply was, "This is our business
should not be in. As far as the Auto Workers
and we will not submit to questions."
are concerned, there is no reason they shouldn't
be in. In my book there was no practical trade
So we put them out of the AFL-CIO on the basis
union reason for them to get out. We have very
that they would not abide by the Constitution.
good relations with them. I have very good re-
lations with Leonard Woodcock. We have good
cooperation on many issues and I think time will
take care of that. I'm quite sure they will be
back.
MEANY PRESS CONFERENCE
Tuesday August 6, 1974
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Now, if they were to come back, of course, this
question would still have to be answered. In
this way there is a difference between them and
the Auto Workers. The Auto Workers have no
constitutional problem at all. In 1961, after
a good deal of discussion at our Convention in
Miami in December of that year, we practically
invited the Teamsters to come back and to come
back under the constitution. Now, at that time
Hoffa was the president and he felt that he
couldn't meet those conditions because if he
came back he would have to answer some questions.
Right now, with the behavior of the Teamsters,
especially in this Farm Workers thing, I would
think there would be some other questions. You
see this is a voluntary organization. It is
voluntary in the sense that anybody can leave
it. It is also voluntary in the sense that
unions can say to another union that we don't
want you.
Under the circumstances then, I tell you very,
very frankly, while the Teamsters are doing the
work of the growers in California, kicking these
little Farm Workers around, I wouldn't want
them back in the AFL-CIO.
REPORTER: Do you think that Jimmy Hoffa should
be allowed back into the labor movement now?
MEANY: I think the restriction placed on Hoffa's
parole is very unusual. I think it is unfair
to place that restriction upon him, which means
that he can't participate in the affairs of the
trade union movement or in his own union. I
would hope, however, that the Teamsters would
never let him come back. It has nothing to do
with his right as an individual to try to come
back.
REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. Meany.
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Meeting with the President
8/16/74 -- 10:30 a.m.
FRANK E. FITZSIMMONS
PRESIDENT, TEAMSTERS UNION
August 15, 1974
To:
David Hoopes
From: Philip Buchen
Because of having had the Meany meeting, we are trying
to arrange to get Frank Fitzsimmons in at 10:30 a.m.
tomorrow. The attached is the material furnished me by
Peter Brennan.
Scheduling knows about the urgency of this and will let me
know when the appointment is locked in.
Attachment
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LIBRARY BERALD ? FORD
THE WHITE HOUSE
file?
WASHINGTON
March 18, 1975
MEETING WITH FRANK FITZSIMMONS
Wednesday, March 19, 1975
11:00 A.M. (20 minutes)
The Oval Office
From: Phil Buchen
I. PURPOSE
You requested this meeting as one of a series with labor
leaders.
II. BACKGROUND, PARTICIPANTS AND PRESS PLAN
A. Background: You last met with Frank Fitzsimmons on
December 18, 1974.
The following are specific subjects he might wish to
discuss with you:
Economic Condition of Trucking Industry. Generally,
truck freight is down about 20% compared to a year
ago. Construction and related materials are down
from 13 to 20%, carriage of motor vehicles is down
30% and grain and farm products are down approxi-
mately 20%. There has been a small increase in
coal and metals; otherwise, everything else is
down. Despite an 8% rate increase in January,
the total revenues for the trucking industry were
down 22% in February and 17% in March. There is
beginning to be a seasonal pickup in the carriage
of food but the situation still appears to be
fairly grim.
Department of Transportation Regulations. There
are three regulatory actions which have recently
been taken by DOT that concern the Teamsters: First,
the new regulations implementing the change in the
1974 Highway Act, which you signed in January, per-
mitting an increase in the size and weights of trucks,
have been promulgated by DOT but are somewhat restric-
tive. DOT took this position primarily because, of:
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strong opposition from such lobbyists as the
American Automobile Association and others, along
with a move in Congress (lead by Edward Koch, D-NY,
and 33 co-sponsors) to repeal the increase in its
entirety. The Teamsters do support a safety-related
amendment to the size and weight provision, limiting
the amount of increased weight on the front axles to
10,000 pounds. However, if Congress does pass an
amendment to the Highway Act, it likely will repeal
the weight and size increase to the detriment of the
trucking industry. Thus, our position of no amend-
ments is probably the safest.
Second, the Teamsters are generally against strict
enforcement of the 55 mph speed limit which DOT is
implementing at your instruction.
Third, the Department has "hours of service" regula-
tions, issued for safety reasons, which only permit
ten hours of consecutive work in any fifteen-hour
period. The Teamsters want to increase this to
eleven or twelve hours and DOT does have it under
review, but we understand they are likely to decide
against the Teamsters.
Deregulation. The DOT/OMB proposal to deregulate
the motor carrier industry is currently being cir-
culated among Federal agencies. No doubt word has
leaked out on this and the Teamsters are indicating
some opposition because they view it as resulting in
a reduction in industry profits.
B. Participants.
Frank Fitzsimmons, President of the
Teamsters Union
John Dunlop, Secretary of Labor
Staff: Mike Duval
C. Press Plan:
White House Photo only.
III. TALKING POINTS
I recognize that the two major points in my State of
the Union Address impact directly on your activities:
First, the trucking industry has been severely impacted
by rising prices and general economic conditions.
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The inventory liquidation now going on is especially
hard on the industry. We are expecting an upturn
in the economy during the summer, and the trucking
industry should be among the first to benefit.
Second, your industry has been greatly affected by
the increase in the price of diesel fuel. The only
way we can gain control over the price we have to pay
for our oil, is through aggressive implementation of
the energy plan I have proposed to Congress. As you
know, I am considering tilting some of the impact of
my proposal into gasoline and away from other petroleum
products, including the diesel which you use in many
of your trucks.
A key component of my plan is strict enforcement of
the 55 mph speed limit. One of the ways I've tried
to offset the reduced productivity this means to the
trucking industry is by an increase in the size and
weights of trucks. That is why I supported that pro-
vision of the 1974 Highway Act.
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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
March 18, 1975
To
Phil Buchen
From
Bill Seidman jws
As requested by Mike Duval, I would suggest that the
Fitzsimmons meeting paper for tomorrow carry these
additional comments as part of the first talking point:
First, the trucking industry has been severely impacted
by rising prices and general economic conditions. The
inventory liquidation now going on is especially hard on
the ind ustry. We are expecting an upturn in the economy
during the summer, and the trucking industry should be
among the first to benefit.
CC: Mike Duval
David Hoopes
Second, your industry has been greatly affected by
the increase in the price of diesel fuel. The only
way we can gain control over the price we have to pay
for our oil, is through aggressive implementation of
the energy plan I have proposed to Congress. As you
know, I am considering tilting some of the impact of
my proposal into gasoline and away from other petroleum
products, including the diesel which you use in many of
your trucks.
A key component of my plan is strict enforcement of
the 55 mph speed limit. One of the ways I've tried
to offset the reduced productivity this means to the
trucking industry is by an increase in the size and
weights of trucks. That is why I supported that pro-
vision of the 1974 Highway Act.
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
March 18, 1975
TO:
PHIL BUCHEN
FROM:
MIKE DUVAL While
Attached is a briefing memo for the Frank
Fitzsimmons meeting.
I have asked Bill Seidman to provide a
couple of lines on the economic condition
of the trucking industry, which can fit in
the bottom of Page 2 under the first talking
point.
I don't know if you want someone from the
staff to sit in, so I left blank.
Phil also please siel in the
Press Plan -
white House photo only or
Press photo ??
I recommend W.N. Photo only.
August 15, 1974
MEETING WITH FRANK E. FITZSIMMONS
Friday, August 16, 1974
10:30 a. m, (30 minutes)
The Oval Office
From: Philip W. Buchen
I. PURPOSE
Meeting follows your interest as expressed to Secretary Brennan
for having meetings with labor representatives. On Tuesday,
August 13, you met with George Meany.
II. BACKGROUND, PARTICIPANTS & PRESS PLAN
A. Background: See attached information supplied by
Secretary Brennan. (Tab A)
B. Participants: Frank Fitzsimmons.
C. Press Plan: Press photo opportunity or Dave Kennerly only.
(Recommend press photo opportunity because it was given
for Mr. Meany.)
III. TALKING POINTS
1. I thank you for your warm and thoughtful telegram of
August 9. (Tab B)
2, I would like to hear of your concerns for and suggestions
about:
(a) The economic situation and the critical inflation
problem.
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(b) Uniting the people of the country to gain wide support
for initiatives which need to be taken to deal with
vital current problems.
(c) A national health plan.
(d) Relationships between organized labor and the
Department of Labor, as well as other government
departments and executive agencies.
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August 15, 1974
To:
David Hoopes
From: Philip Buchen
Because of having had the Meany meeting, we are trying
to arrange to get Frank Fitzsimmons in at 10:30 a.m.
tomorrow. The attached is the material furnished me by
Peter Brennan.
Scheduling knows about the urgency of this and will let me
know when the appointment is locked in.
Attachment
PWB:ed
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THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
August 15, 1974
MEMORANDUM FOR:
MR. PHILIP BUCHEN
FROM:
DAV PARKER
SUBJECT:
Presidential Meeting with
Frank Fitzsimmons
This is to confirm that the President will meet with Mr. Frank E.
Fitzsimmons, General President, International Brotherhood of
Teamsters, at 10:30 a.m. on Friday, August 16, 1974, in the Oval
Office. The meeting will last approximately thirty minutes and
unless otherwise notified, I will assume that you will be attending.
It is my understanding that Secretary Brennan has provided talking
points which have gone to the Office of the Staff Secretary.
Thank you.
cc:
Mr. Hartmann
Amb. Rumsfeld
Mr. Marsh
Mr. O'Donnell
Mr. Jones
Mr. Rustand
Mr. Wardell
Mr. terHorst
SURD
FRANK E. FITZSIMMONS, General President,
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Frank (Fitz) Fitzsimmons became head of the nation's
largest union in June 1971, succeeding the then-jailed James R.
Hoffa. Came up through the ranks of his union after starting as
a Detroit dockman at age 18, and later working as an over-the-
road truck driver. Served on President Nixon's Pay Board and on
the Labor-Management Advisory Committee to the Cost of Living
Council. Is a member of National Commission on Productivity.
TEAMSTERS
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs,
Warehousemen and Helpers of America is the world's largest labor
organizat with 1,828,548 members in 807 local unions. The
Teamsters held its amalgamation convention in 1903 under the
sponsorship of a the AFL. Today, the union is divided into three
main catagories. The largest block of members are engaged in
trucking services; the second largest group is found in the
warehouse industry; and the remaining members can be classified
as industrial, food processing and clerical workers.
ISSUES
Following is Mr. Fitzsimmon's position on various issues:
FOREIGN
Opposed war in Vietnam but supported Nixon's efforts
to bring about an honorable peace. Supports detente.
DOMESTIC
Favors new pension reform bill, an increased minimum
wage law, improved worker's compensation legislation with federal
standards, and a national health plan.
Favors increased efforts twoard mass transportation, the
"jobs for veterans" program, and energy conservation measures even
though efforts to conserve use of gasoline, such as slower highway
speeds, adversely affected teamster members.
Blames much of Nation's present economic condition on
"bad legislation" passed by the Congress.
POLITICAL
Endorsed Humphrey in 1968 and Nixon in 1972. He was a
member of Democrats for Nixon. Has been a strong supporter of
Nixon and most of his policies since then. Did not approve of
the economic stabilization program because it controled only wages
and prices and not other types of income but served on Pay Board
and did not walk out when other labor members left the board.
Gave support to energy program even though it gave him great
problems within his own union. He 'gave $25,000 in union funds
to support Rabbi Korff's campaign in support of President Nixon.
A dissident group within the Teamsters is now challenging this
expenditure of union funds.
He telegramed President Ford on August 9 (see attached)
pledging the support of the Teamsters and offering his personal
help and cooperation.
SENDING BLANK
August 9, 1974
DATE
The President
The White House
Washington, D. C.
You have the prayers and best wishes of the more than
two million members of the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters as you begin to draw this great nation together.
We unite behind you in our common cause and pledge our
support. If I personally can be of any help I want you
to know that I am ready to cooperate in any way that I can.
I send my heartfelt congratulations to you and my best
wishes to your lovely family.
Frank E. Fitzsimmons
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
UNT #CDC 2004879
SMITTED VIA
MAILGRAM
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August 15, 1974
MEETING WITH FRANK E. FITZSIMMONS
Friday, August 16, 1974
10:30 a. m. (30 minutes)
The Oval Office
From: Philip W. Buchen
I. PURPOSE
Meeting follows your interest as expressed to Secretary Brennan
for having meetings with labor representatives. On Tuesday,
August 13, you met with George Meany.
II. BACKGROUND, PARTICIPANTS & PRESS PLAN
A. Background: See attached information supplied by
Secretary Brennan. (Tab A)
B. Participants: Frank Fitzsimmons.
C. Press Plan: Press photo opportunity or Dave Kennerly only.
(Recommend press photo opportunity because it was given
for Mr. Meany.)
III. TALKING POINTS
1. I thank you for your warm and thoughtful telegram of
August 9. (Tab B)
2. I would like to hear of your concerns for and suggestions
about:
(a) The economic situation and the critical inflation
problem.
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(b) Uniting the people of the country to gain wide support
for initiatives which need to be taken to deal with
vital current problems.
(c) A national health plan.
(d) Relationships between organized labor and the
Department of Labor, as well as other government
departments and executive agencies.
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FRANK E. FITZSIMMONS, General President,
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Frank (Fitz) Fitzsimmons became head of the nation's
largest union in June 1971, succeeding the then-jailed James R.
Hoffa. Came up through the ranks of his union after starting as
a Detroit dockman at age 18, and later working as an over-the-
road truck driver. Served on President Nixon's Pay Board and on
the Labor-Management Advisory Committee to the Cost of Living
Council. Is a member of National Commission on Productivity.
TEAMSTERS
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Chauffeurs,
Warehousemen and Helpers of America is the world's largest labor
organization with 1,828,548 members in 807 local unions. The
Teamsters held its amalgamation convention in 1903 under the
sponsorship of a the AFL. Today, the union is divided into three
main catagories. The largest block of members are engaged in
trucking services; the second largest group is found in the
warehouse industry; and the remaining members can be classified
as industrial, food processing and clerical workers.
ISSUES
Following is Mr. Fitzsimmon's position on various issues:
FOREIGN
Opposed war in Vietnam but supported Nixon's efforts
to bring about an honorable peace. Supports detente.
DOMESTIC
Favors new pension reform bill, an increased minimum
wage law, improved worker's compensation legislation with federal
standards, and a national health plan.
Tavors increased efforts twoard mass transportation, the
"jobs for veterans" program, and energy conservation measures even
though efforts to conserve use of gasoline, such as slower highway
speeds, adversely affected teamster members.
Blames much of Nation's present economic condition on
"bad legislation" passed by the Congress.
POLITICAL
Endorsed Humphrey in 1968 and Nixon in 1972. He was a
member of Democrats for Nixon. Has been a strong supporter of
Nixon and most of his policies since then. Did not approve of
the economic stabilization program because it controled only wages
and prices and not other types of income but served on Pay Board
and did not walk out when other labor members left the board.
Gave support to energy program even though it gave him great
problems within his own union. He 'gave $25,000 in union funds
to support Rabbi Korff's campaign in support of President Nixon.
A dissident group within the Teamsters is now challenging this
expenditure of union funds.
He telegramed President Ford on August 9 (see attached)
pledging the support of the Teamsters and offering his personal
help and cooperation.
SENDING BLANK
August 9, 1974
DATE
The President
The White House
Washington, D. C.
You have the prayers and best wishes of the more than
two million members of the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters as you begin to draw this great nation together.
We unite behind you in our common cause and pledge our
support. If I personally can be of any help I want you
to know that I am ready to cooperate in any way that I can.
I send my heartfelt congratulations to you and my best
wishes to your lovely family.
Frank E. Fitzsimmons
General President
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
DUNT #CDC 2004879
NSMITTED VIA
MAILGRAM
PMS
TEL(T)EX
August 16, 1974
Dear George:
Nothing could please me more than to join with your
many friends and colleagues at this luncheon in extend-
ing heartiest congratulations on your eightleth birthday.
I am sure, too, that our fellow citizens across the Nation
share my hope that as you celebrate this milestone, you
will take full and deserved satisfaction from the lasting
accomplishments and contributions to America which have
marked year long and distinguished career. I look forward
to your continued help and cooperation as we work together
to make our Nation a better place to live for all Americans.
Again, my congratulations and warm good wishes for the
happlest of birthdays.
Sincerely,
Jerry ford
Mr. George Meany
American Federation of Labor
and Congress of Industrial Organizations
815 16th Street, N.W.
Washington, D. C.
cc: Bill Baroody, Jr.
Phil Buchen
GRF:RLE:aby
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