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The original documents are located in Box 8, folder "News Clippings (3)" of the Charles E. Goodell Papers at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Copyright Notice The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) governs the making of photocopies or other reproductions of copyrighted material. Charles Goodell donated to the United States of America his copyrights in all of his unpublished writings in National Archives collections. Works prepared by U.S. Government employees as part of their official duties are in the public domain. The copyrights to materials written by other individuals or organizations are presumed to remain with them. If you think any of the information displayed in the PDF is subject to a valid copyright claim, please contact the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Some items in this folder were not digitized because it contains copyrighted materials. Please contact the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library for access to these materials. Digitized from Box 8 of the Charles E. Goodell Papers at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library Vietnam Clemency 2/4/75 N° DOUBT THE recent spate of publicity about But until now only about four per cent of the con- President Ford's Vietnam clemency program has victed draft offenders, the largest category, have ap- helped bring it to the notice of a number of the plied for clemency. In the two other categories, men 100,000 convicted draft offenders, the 4,400 men sought sought for draft evasion and military deserters, the re- for draft evasion, and the 13,000 military deserters who spective percentages stand at eight and 33. might otherwise have failed to get the word. And to In brief, the substance of the Ford clemency offer is reap more of the potential benefit of that publicity, it faulty. It has been tested in the "marketplace" and makes sense that Mr. Ford has just extended the pro- found wanting. Overall, the program simply does not gram's lifetime by a month, to March 1 make it sufficiently worth a Vietnam resister's while to take advantage of it. One apparent flaw is that draft To regard details of publicity and deadline as the only aspects of the program requiring attention, how- offenders, who have already paid a substantial penalty, may be asked to do a term of alternate service to re- ever, is to mistake the true nature of the problem which. by his clemency offer, Mr. Ford presumably in- ceive a presidential pardon that still leaves the orig- inal conriction - their mecerde N.Y.L.J. 2/6/71 Business-Financial Notes By Thomas W. Hart Draft Law Material Available on Microfilm The general rejection of back-file and current periodicals, President Ford's offer of quali- government documents, news- fied clemency has left the legal papers and doctoral disserta- status of more than 100,000 tions, as well as more than Vietnam war resisters still 110,000 out - of print books of clouded by uncertainty. which it reproduces single xero- Many of those charged with graphic copies on demand. desertion from the armed forces, Information may be obtained with failure to register with from Xerox University Micro- Selective Service, or with re- films, 300 North Zeeb Road, Ann fusal to appear for induction Arbor, Mich. 48106. have already indicated their re- solve to seek redress from the courts. They are likely to be joined by thousands of others whose cases are pending. Lawyers on all sides of the BLUMBERG, SINGER, ROSS, GOTTESMAN & GORDON 245 PARK AVENUE (ORA) NEW YORK, N.Y. 10017 U.S POSTAGE FEB14'75 and 10 ************* NY DOMETER Charles E. Goodell, Esq. 1225 19th Street, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20036 within the eral leaves for London this weekend. at a briefing Hollywood, 2/26/35 press sec- Clemency Plan was asked Extension Sought that Rich- United Press International eplace Kissin- President Ford has been validity to asked to extend for an- Nessen said.] other 30 days his Vietnam eaking to re- war clemency Program, was sworn in which will expire Satur- etary of State day, White House sources dismissed a said yesterday. by the Chi- Charles Goodell, Chair- that he be- man of the President's would resign Clemency Board. met with nd that Rich- Mr. Ford at the White would replace House Monday to request a second extension of the quoted Brit- deadline for war resisters ho had inter- and deserters to apply to on Monday the board, the sources new ambassa- said. a Mr. Ford made no com- of w ding mitment, a spokesman said. consters The procrem originally his Jobs Scarce s For Clemency 2/26/15WP Participants Associated Press High unemployment is com- plicating the task of finding jobs for participants in Presi- dent Ford's clemency pro- gram, Selective Service Direc- tor Byron V. Pepitone has said in releasing the latest figures on the program. Of the 4,036 men who have reported to Selective Service officers for alternate service, 850 are employed in public service jobs. Most of the oth- ers are in the 30-day period al- lowed for job hunting, Pepi- tone said in an interview. However, Pepitohe said an- other 108 have dropped out of the program for various rea- sons. He cited the case of a a209 u lbylczzcqyyv WX BULLETIN Ford Clemency WASHINGTON AP - President Ford announced "a final extension,' Friday on his clemency program for Vietnam era draft evaders and deserters until March 31. cz1246ped Feb. 28 a210 u lbylvczzc WX URGENT Ford- Clemency ADD WASHINGTON Ford- Clemency 2209 add: March 31. The President told Clemency Board Chairman Charles Goodell that 6 there will be no further extensions' , of the program. which was out into effect last Sentember to provide clémency for thousands of young men who were involved in draft dodging or desertionm In a White House statement Ford said that "based on a further review of the progress of this program. I believe that many of those who have already been punished are only now learning they are eligiblem'' MORE cz1250ped Feb. 28 i FORD ERALD 8211 u lbylvv WX URGENT F ORD Clemency ADD WASHINGTON Ford - Clemency 8210 add: eligible 6 This is confirmed by the large number of applications - already exceeding 10.000 - which continue to be filed with the Presidential Clemoncy Board. :: Ford caid. The clemency extension Bllows for applications to be filed until March 31 by draft evaders and military absentees 6 who have charges still pending against them and for those who already have been punished for such offenses, " the_ Pres ident said. Goodell scheduled a news conference for later in the day to snall out further details of the extengionm MORE cz1252ped Feb. 28 so 8212 u lbylvlbyl WX URGENT Ford- Clemency ADD WASHINGTON Ford- Clemency a211 add: extension. There are three separate facets of the program, administered separately by the Clemency Board, Pentagon and Justice Department. The Presidential' Clemency Board said Friday it has received about 11, 000 applications from the 120. 000 eligible draft evaders and deserters who have been punished. The Pentagon said 4. 856 of the 12, 500 eligible unpunished deserters have signed un for its program. And the Justice Department said 501 of the 6, 500 eligible unconvicted draft dodgers have signed un for its programm A month ago, when the first extension began- the Clemency Board had signed up 6 962, the Pentagon 4,534 and the Justice Department 351. The board has sent recommendations to Ford on only 69 of the 11, 000 applications. with 24 drawing outright pardons and 45 drawing pardson conditional on a specified number of months in public service jobs. The board has held few meetings lately. with its members touring the nation to try to make sure as many of those eligible as possible know about the program By FRANCES LEWINE Associated Press Writer cz1256ped Feb. 28 1204 U A ANNESTY 2-28 URGENT 2ND DAY LD A131 BY DAVID E. ANDERSON WASHINGTON (UPI) -- PRESIDENT FORD GAVE A ONE-MONTH "FINAL" EXTENSION OF HIS CLEMENCY PROGRAM FOR VIETNAM MILITARY. DESERTERS AND DRAFT EVADERS. HE SAID APPLICATIONS HAD PASSED 10,000 AND EXTENDED THE DEADLINE TO MARCH 31. "I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUNISHED ARE ONLY NOV LEARNING THEY ARE ELIGIBLE" FOR CLEMENCY, THE PRESIDENT SAID IN A STATEMENT ON THE DAY BEFORE HIS PROGRAM WAS SCHEDULED TO EXPIRE.. FORD, WHO EARLIER EXTENDED THE PROGRAM ON JAN. 30 TO MARCH 1, SAID THIS WOULD BE THE "FINAL EXTENSION." HE SAID A FRESH REVIEW OF THE PROGRAM'S PROGRESS LED HIM TO THE CONCLUSION SOME ELIGIBLE DESERTERS WERE ONLY NOW LEARNING THEY COULD APPLY. "THIS IS CONFIRMED BY THE LARGE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS -- ALREADY EXCEEDING 10,000 -- WHICH CONTINUE TO BE FILED WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL CLEMENCY BOARD," HE SAID. STAFF MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CLEMENCY BOARD SAID THEY WERE TOLD THIS WAS "THE FINAL, FINAL, ABSOLUTE, ABSOLUTE EXTENSION" OF THE PROGRAM. SEN. PHILIP HART, D-MICH., SAID EARLIER IN THE DAY HE PLANNED TO OFFER LEGISLATION GIVING UNIVERSAL AND UNCONDITIONAL AMNESTY TO THE DRAFT EVADERS AND DESERTERS. PICKUP 7TH PGH A131: HART SAID UPI 02-28 01:08 PED A222 R A AMNESTY 2-28 NIGHT LD BY DAVID E. ANDERSON WASHINGTON (UPI) -- PRESIDENT FORD, CITING A LARGE INCREASE IN APPLICATIONS TO HIS EARNED RE-ENTRY PROGRAM FOR VIETNAM DRAFT RESISTERS AND MILITARY DESERTERS, FRIDAY ORDERED A FINAL EXTENSION OF THE CONTROVERSIAL PROGRAM TO MARCH 31. "I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY BEEN PUNISHED ARE ONLY NOW LEARNING THEY ARE ELIGIBLE," FORD SAID IN A STATEMENT. CRITICS OF THE PROGRAM, HOWEVER, BRUSHED ASIDE FORD'S EXTENSION. SEN. PHILIP HART, D-MICH., ANNOUNCED HE WOULD INTRODUCE A UNIVERSAL AND UNCONDITIONAL AMNESTY BILL IN THE SENATE THAT WOULD ELIMINATE SOME OF THE MOST CRITICIZED ELEMENTS OF FORD'S PROGRAM -- THE REQUIREMENT FOR ALTERNATE SERVICE AND THE LACK OF ACCESS TO VETERANS BENEFITS FOR THOSE WITH LESS THAN HONORABLE MILITARY DISCHARGES. AT THE SAME TIME, A GROUP OF DRAFT RESISTERS, ALL OF WHOM SERVED TIME IN FEDERAL PRISONS FOR THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE WAR, ANNOUNCED THEY WOULD HOLD A MASS RALLY IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE SATURDAY AND SAID A NUMBER OF THEM WOULD COMMIT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE IN OPPOSITION TO THE FORD PROGRAM AND THE WAR IN INDOCHINA. CHARLES GOODELL, CHAIRMAN OF THE PRESIDENTIAL CLEMENCY BOARD WHICH DEALS WITH THOSE ALREADY CONVICTED OF DRAFT VIOLATIONS OR AWOL OFFENSES, SAID THE BOARD WAS "VERY, VERY PLEASED" WITH THE EXTENSION. "THERE WILL BE NO FURTHER EXTENSION, NOR DO I_ANTICIPATE ASKING FOR_ANY," HE SAID. FORD'S EARNED RE-ENTRY PROGRAM, FIRST AMNOUNCED LAST SEPT. 16 AND ORIGINALLY DUE TO EXPIRE JAN. 31, IS DIVIDED INTO THREE PARTS: THE CLEMENCY BOARD, WHICH HANDLES THOSE ALREADY CONVICTED OF OFFENSES, AND WHICH HAS A POTENTIAL CLIENTEL OF ABOUT 120,000 YOUNG MEN; DRAFT RESISTERS WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN INDICTED, WHICH INCLUDES ABOUT 4,400; AND DESERTERS WHO HAVE NOT YET BEEN CONVICTED, WHICH THE MILITARY ESTIMATES AT BETWEEN 10,000 AND 11,000. GOODELL SAID HIS BOARD HAD REQUESTED THE EXTENSION BECAUSE IN THE EARLY MONTHS OF THE PROGRAM MANY POTENTIAL CLIENTS DID NOT UNDERSTAND THEY WERE ELIGIBLE. BUT HE SAID SINCE JAN. 6, WHEN THE BOARD BEGAN AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC SERVICE INFORMATION CAMPAIGN, APPLICATIONS HAD INCREASED "OVER TEN-FOLD" TO HORE THAN 10, 000; WITH MORE THAN HAIF COMING IN FEBRUARY. SO FAR, HE SAID, THE BOARD HAS ACTED ON "ABOUT 250 CASES" AND OF THOSE, 65 HAD BEEN ACTED ON BY FORD. ABOUT_11 PER CENT OF THE DRAFT RESISTERS AND 42 PER CENT OF THE MILITARY DESERTERS HAVE APPLIED TO THE OTHER TWO PARTS OF THE PROGRAM. HART, IN ANNOUNCING HIS LEGISLATIVE INTENTION, SAID FORD SHOULD BE COMMENDED "FOR TAKING THE FIRST STEP" ON THE ANNESTY ISSUE, BUT HE SAID THE PROGRAM "HAS NOT BEEN FULLY_SUCCESSFUL." UPI 02-28 03:27 PED all wire stories as of 2/28 4:45pm Washington ton Post 3/1/75 FORD LIBRARY j VERALD Associated Press Charles Goodell: "There will be no further extension so of the cleméncy program. Clemency Program Extended As Critics Mount Opposition By David E. Adderson White House today and said a clients did not understand United Press International number of them would com- they were eligible. President - Ford, citing mit civil disobedience in oppo- But he said that since Jan. a large increase in applications sition to the Ford program 6, when the board began an for his earned re-entry pro- gram for Vietnam draft resis- and the war in Indochina. extensive public service infor- ters and military deserters, Charles Goodell, chairman mation campaign, applications had tom Metropolitan Republican Club 122 EAST 83rd STREET NEW YORK, N.Y. 10028 BU 8-8606 April 9, 1975 8 President MARIA E. REDO Hon. Charles E. Goodell 1225 Nineteenth Street, N.W. Chairman, Washington, D.C. 20036 Executive Committee LESTER S. KASPER Dear Senator Goodell, Treasurer STODDARD D. PLATT Thought you might be pleased to know that your Secretary talk at the Metropolitan Republican Club made PEGGY MARONEY the New York Post. Vice-Presidents MARY BAMBERY I was so pleased to have had you - do plan to CHRYSTAL W. HEGARTY talk again with us. GINA HOLMES THEODORE KRULWICH Sincerely, CECILE LAGER LISA RADOYEVICH CARMEN LUCAS STEELE Maria E. Redd ARTHUR STEIN LILLIAN K. TORMEY MARK WILLNER Maria E. Redo President Statistician JOHN G. STEELE enc. Parliamentarian STUART C. SLOANE Republican Organization, 66th Assembly District District Leaders LAURENCE C. LEEDS, JR. ALICE S. POWERS State Committee ROY M. GOODMAN CARMEN LUCAS STEELE Secretary DARBY M. GAUDIA FORD s LIBRARY Treasurer ALBERT F. GORDON Chairman, Law Committee JACQUES L. DEBROT n.4.Post Goodell: 1/21/75 Clemency Rush Is On By WILLIAM T. SLATTERY An expected last-minute flood of applications for pres- idential pardons from war resisters will necessitate ex- pansion of the Clemency Board handling the cases, ac- cording to former Sen. Charles Goodell. Goodell, chairman of the presidential board, said that more than 15,000 applications for clemency are pending and that several thousand more are expected to be filed be- fore the March 31 deadline. He said, "I will ask the President to expand the board, and then we will break the board down into three- man panels to hear individ- ual cases." Goodell estimated that sev- eral months will be needed to process all applications. The dramatic increase in the number of requests for pardons in the first three months of the year stems from a more widespread un- 3/21/75 3/26/75 Clemency Program Nears End United Press International One week is left of Presi- dent Ford's twice-extended amnesty program. Applicants flock to his clemency board in large numbers, but they have virtually stopped going to the military and the Justice De- partment. Eligibles have until Monday night, March 31, to apply. Mr. Ford has twice added a month's extension to his origi- nal Jan. 31 deadline. the last time he said it was the final extension. Officials said Mon- day they do not expect Charles Goodell, the clemency board's chairman, to seek an- other one. There are three different segments to Mr. Ford's pro- gram. Each has had a differ- ent track record. CLEMENCY PLAN WILL END MONDAY Goodell Says He Expected Better Results, but Terms Program a Success By NANCY HICKS Special to The New York Times WASHINGTON, March 27- The final extension of President Ford's clemency program. for draft evaders and war resisters will end at midnight Monday. Only a fraction of those eligible to participate have- applied so far. After months of confúsion about the program and its three components, the President in January extended the period in which applications would be. accepted. Most applicants have come forward since then, ac- cording to Charles E. Goodell, chairman of the Clemency Board. The board handles applica- Saturday, November 30, 1974 BUFFALO EVENING NEWS As 8 Resisters Get Pardons Goodell Hopes More Will Seek Clemency From News Wire Services not end the unfinished business to privacy." Citing the same mendations could be on Mr. WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 - of clemency, but the task of reason, Mr. Goodell said the Ford's desk by Christmas. Chairman Charles E. Goodell formal forgiveness is under men's home addresses would of the Presidential Clemency Mr. Goodell estimates that way," Mr. Ford said in a Cabi- not be disclosed. Board hopes that many more net Room ceremony at which The 18 men whose cases were 8700 civilian resisters and draft resisters and others will he signed the pardon decrees. decided Friday were among 85 more than 100,000 military-con- seek executive clemency once "I hope it marks the beginning civilians in prison on Sept. 16 victed personnel are eligible for they understand how it works. of personal forgiveness in the for draft violations. All were clemency. To date, 770 persons, Goodell Urges Hill to Extend Vietnam Clemency Program By John P. MacKenzie able success," with the De- lays the start of the term of Washington Post Staff Writer fense Department's program alternate service. He said the Congress should extend the for accused deserters drawing rule seemed unfair in View of Vietnam clemency program 4,600 applicants and the Jus- the scarcity of jobs. beyond its imminent deadline, tice Department's plan for Goodell said he opposed on chairman Charles Goodell said draft law violators attracting principle the idea of oaths of yesterday. 578. allegiance for those enrolling At a news conference called But Goodell said he expect- in the clemency program. The to underscore the fact that the ed a higher turnout for the clemency board does not re- deadline for applications is clemency board program, since quire one, he noted, adding firmly set at midnight Mon- it involves pardons for indi- that he did not see the neces day, Goodell said he favored viduals who already have been sity for it in the Justice or congressional approval of a punished for draft evasion or Pentagon programs either. He program that would last a desertion and thus have "noth- said he doubted that many pq- year or two longer. ing to lose" by applying. The tential applicants had been de- Goodell emphasized that he Justice and Defense pro- terred by the allegiance oath alone 3/28/75 8 C CLEMENCY PLAN WILL END MONDA! Goodell Says He Expectec Better Results, but Terms Program a Success By NANCY HICKS Special to The New York Times WASHINGTON, March 27- The final extension of President Ford's clemency program. for draft evaders and war resisters will end at midnight Monday. Only a fraction of those eligible to participate have applied so far. After months of confusion about the program and its three components, the President in January extended the period in which applications would be accepted. Most applicants have come forward since then, ac- cording to Charles E. Goodell, chairman of the Clemency Board. The board handles applica- For Further 3/31/75 Amnesty the reasons that may account for the By Gaylord Nelson unwillingness or inability of eligible individuals to apply. But we do know WASHINGTON-The time has come that the spirit of reconciliation will be for Congress to take further steps to undermined if the opportunity for heal the deep wounds inflicted on our those individuals to receive mercy is nation by the Vietnam war. Specifis withdrawn. cally, Congress should support and extend the President's amnesty pro- gram-which ends at midnight tonight Congress, however, should not ex- -for the thousands of young men pect the President alone to continue who evaded the draft or deserted the to bear the burdens of the amnesty military during the conflict. program. Congress, after all, repeated- The need for Congressional action ly voted billions of dollars of public is clear. Last September, President funds for the war. Congress thus Ford took the constructive step of assumed some responsibility for the establishing a program to provide conduct of American policies in Viet- amnesty for thousands of young men nam. Congress should now accept who, for one reason or another, felt some responsibility for ending the the need to refuse the draft or desert divisiveness that the war created. the military during the war. In creating A bill has been introduced to that program, the President recog- continue the amnesty program, with nized, as we all should, that the certain modifications, including the interests of society were served best following: when its system of justice reflected a The Clemency Board would have good measure of understanding and jurisdiction over all cases of draft mercy. evasion and military desertion during the war. The President's program is now operated by four separate depart- Already there is enough experience ments, with the result that different under the President's program to dem- agencies are applying different criteria onstrate that point. One representative to people in similar situations. case considered by the Clemency Board Any individual who returns from created by the President, for example, a foreign country would be allowed involved an individual who had served to return there if any offer of clemency valiantly with the Armv in Vietnam was rejected. An individual should not Goodell: Restore," 4/1/15 Clemency By JOHN S. LANG N.Y. Post Correspondent WASHINGTON-Clemency Board chief Charles Goodell plans to ask Congress to restore the clemency program for Vietnam war deserters and draft evaders who want to seek pardons and alternate service. Because of an upsurge of appeals in the last two -months, Goodell says he is convinced that many of those eligible for clemency did not get word of President Ford's program in time. When the deadline passed at midnight last night, only 18,000 had filed appeals out of an estimated 123,000 potenti- ally eligible. Goodell. who is scheduled to testify on the program be- 4/2/73.Pod Clemency Applications Put at 25,000 United Press International Officials of the three phases of President Ford's "earned re-entry" program yesterday estimated applications for con- ditional clemency might reach the 25,000 mark. k But they said precise fig- ures, following a final flurry of applications before they were cut off by the Monday midnight deadline would not April 16, 1975 Dear Fred: Thanks for your bhoughtfulness in sending me the clipping from the Mexico City NEWS. You couldn't get away from me even in Mexico? I hope you had a wonderful Mexican vacation. I look forward to seeing you again soon. With warm regard, I am Sincerely, Charles E. Goodell Mr. Frederick Palmer Chemical Bank 135 Main Street Nyack, New York 10960 FORD is LIBRARY 978839 CHEMICALBANK Hudson Valley, N.A. 135 Main Street, Nyack, N.Y. 10960, Tel. (914) 358-3900 Frederick Palmer Chairman of the Board March 27, 1975 Honorable Charles Goodell Hydeman, Mason & Goodell 1225 19th Street N.W. Suite 601 Washington, D.C. 20036 Dear Charlie: I had expected to give you the enclosed clipping this morning but was told you elected to take a holiday in Bermuda rather than to attend the Director's Meeting of Presidential Life Corporation. We just returned home from a month in Mexico where we became avid readers of THE NEWS, Mexico City, in which we were delighted to come across your handsome picture in the March 1st issue. I trust all goes well with you and that we will have the pleasure of seeing you one of these days. Cordially, two FP:pgt Enc. 4 THE NEWS, Mexico City Saturday, March 1, 1975 Ford Extends Viet Clemency Program WASHINGTON (AP) - Clemency Board, who had the Presidential Clemency tension, but had to settle for progran President Ford extended his recommended both ex- Board at the White House. one month. He said Friday many < Vietnam war clemency tensións, told a news con- Phone contacts may be he still would like six already prográm for an extra month ference, There will be no made by calling 202-456- months. only no Friday for the second time, further extensions, nor do I 2110. calling it "a final exten- anticipate asking for any. The extension applies not eligible. Applications for the military program apply to only to the board, which He sai sion.' Goodell noted that ap- Chairman Charles E. plications to the board may Ft. Benjamin Harrison, processes only draft by the 1 evaders and deserters who Goodell of the Presidential be made by phone or mail to Ind., telephone 317-542-3417. plication have been punished, but to tinue to Applications for the Justice Department may contact the programs handled by Preside any local U.S. attorney. the military and the Justice Board.' He said that for "anybody Department. The military Goode who applies after midnight processes deserters who about 1 March 31 it will be a sad have not been punished and the department processes eligible April Fool's Day. siderat Ford launched the draft evaders who have not This MAGAZINE PAGE FIVE) 41 New York Post James A. 5/2/75 Wechsler FORGOTTEN AMERICANS In all the Vietnamese rescue operations being sponsored by the Administration during these post-war hours, there has been a deadly silence about a large group of Americans to whom the doors of our society remain coldly shut. They are the thousands of youths still living in exile, hiding out in our own country or languishing in prison because, to put it bluntly, the Ford clemency program was essentially a tragic failure. Even while the hastily-conceived, badly-planned salvage program for fleeing Vietnamese is heralded as proof of our humaneness, young Americans whose consciences made them "premature" opponents of a senseless war are un- mentioned, unnoticed, largely unremembered except by families and friends. Certainly the effort to save Vietnamese whose associa- tion with the American military operation left them vulner- ablet o early reprisal can hardly be a matter of debate, It may be days or weeks before we learn how many of those evacuated were actually political targets and how many were less worthy figures who bought their way out in the chaotic scramble. But there is no mystery about the identity of many of the fugitive Americans to whom no hand is being extended. Administration apologists will say crisply that "they had their chance" and rejected it. The trouble is that the terms of the Ford clemency were loaded against those whose resistance was most clearly motivated by deep, au- Senator Unconditional Amnesty Idea Tugs at Ford Formation your nia may15 LATimes BY J.F. terHORST ously with the Vietnamese who fled their have been forced out of work by hardliners country than with America's own sons. WASHINGTON-Thinking the unthinkable who contend that such obs should go to hon- The room fell silent while the President re- orably discharged Vietnam veterans. is an exercise for which Presidents rarely flected, but it was obvious from the impatient seem to find time. Yet President Ford pon- Despite his rejection of the idea the other LIBRARY stirrings of key aides, including staff chief dered an unthinkable thought for his Admin- day, the concept of unconditional amnesty Donald Rumsfeld and counselor Robert Hart- istration the other day-unconditional amnes- continues to tug at Ford mann, that unconditional amnesty was an FORD ty for the young Americans who fled the Determined to cut federal spending, he is issue fraught with explosive politics. country rather than serve in Vietnam. keenly aware of the millions of dollars being He waded only briefly, then moved on to A senior staffer punctured the silence with spent on his limited amnesty program and its GERALD the myriad of more pressing matters on his a scornful quip. Perhaps, he suggested, the uneven results. agenda. But the thought remains in the back draft evaders could be welcomed home and Now that the war is over. his lawyer's in- of Ford's mind, where he has thrust it for given Medals of Honor by the President. stincts tell him also that equity is not served now. It will not go away. Ford sighed and asked Rumsfeld to get on by demanding more from the young Ameri- The scene was a staff meeting in Ford's of- with the rest of the day's schedule. cans who fled Vietnam service than from the fice last week. Assistants were pleased with The amnesty question, nonetheless, is get- Vietnamese who fled to save their lives— public reaction to his earlier news conference, ting more gingery every day, and not only for some of whom reportedly evaded military especially because Ford looked so "presiden- Ford. The Presidential Clemency Board, ex- duty in their own land. tial." But a question had come up. panded from 9 to 18 members by executive As a father of three sons of draft age who boggen - three dou consion even Andrew Duro 5/15/75 JAY 15 Amnesty Group Wages Drive To Free Queens War Resister By PAUL L. MONTGOMERY Groups seeking unconditional get clemency if they agreed amnesty for war resisters are to a year of two of "alternate mounting a campaign in behalf service" in public-service jobs. of a 32-year-old Queens man About 600 men were freed who is one of a handful of from jails or military stockades Americans still in jail for re- under the program, and many fusing to serve in Vietnam. fugitives turned themselves in. The draft resister, Andrew It is believed that the only Davis, has been in the Federal war resisters remaining in jail House of Detention on West are Mr. Davis and a few others, Street since April 10. He had perhaps three or four, who re- returned to the United States fused the clemency program. from Canada to take advantage Mr. Davis said that pressing of President Ford's clemency business in Toronto prevented program, but missed the March him from returning to the Unit- 31 deadline. Since he had fled ed States until after the March the country after conviction on 31 deadline but that someone a draft charge in 1969, he was in the United States consulate arrested as a fugitive and is in Toronto had told him he being held without bail. would still be eligible for clem- 124,400 Men Eligible ency if he reported late. According to Administration Assistant United States Attor- figures, there were 124,400 men ney Thomas Maher of the East- eligible for the clemency pro- em District of New York said gram between the time it was Mr. Davis did not make that announced last Sept. 16 and argument when he surrendered the March 31 deadline Of on April 10. Haze, Heat Partly cloudy with a chance of thunder- high in upper-80s. Low tonight in the 60s. De- The Washington Star CAPIT storms later today, SPECI tails B-4. FRIDAY, MAY 23, 1975 Copyright © 1975 RALD The Evening Star Newspaper Co. Phone (202) 484-5000 CIRCULATION 484-3000 CLASSIFIED 484-6000 15% RD LIBRARY Mary McGrory: But What About Case No. 32? Dw't By Mary McGrory or May 5, depending on who you talk Washington Star Staff Writer to. But he has not signed it, or any of Point of View and required to report twice monthly board panel on Feb. 8 he was advised to his probation officer. What he and confidentially by a board staff law- Richard Nixon got his uncondition- the cases the Clemency Board has his mother hoped to do was to rent or yer that he should be "optimistic." al pardon from President Ford one sent over to him. These number ei- undergone open-heart surgery. Last sell their house and use the money to month to the day after he left office. ther 301 or 889 - again depending on July, a doctor at St. Thomas Hospital go west for the further cardiac sur- Late in February, he called again, who " - - and une told the full Board was going The Washington Star JOE L. ALLBRITTON, Publisher JAMES G. BELLOWS. Editor SIDNEY EPSTEIN, Managing Editor TUESDAY, MAY 27, 1975 Presidential Pardon Delay Although there is some confusion about how various categories of applications so that a re- many hundreds of recommendations for pardon view could be made. have been sent to the White House by the Cle- It is not exactly clear why the White House mency Board, it is perfectly clear that the bothered to set up the Clemency Board if it in- President is taking an uncommonly long time tends to make its own review of individual getting at them. cases. In any event, it doesn't make much sense An article in the Star on Friday by Mary for the White House to wait until a huge stack of McGrory detailed the hardship that a long wait applications accumulates; certainly each appli- for presidential action worked on one applicant cation should stand on its own merits and should and his family (Case No. 32, involving David not have to lie around for months to be process- Granger of Murray, Ky.). We won't rehash the ed. story here but the facts more than made the There is a disturbing theory that Ford hasn't case that there has been an unconscionable signed any pardons the past five months be- delay in processing Granger's application. cause of his growing problems with the right President Ford established the Clemency wing of his party. The right-wing element, which Board, headed by former Senator Charles Goo- has adamantly opposed extension of amnesty or dell, to hear applications for pardons from clemency to Vietnam draft evaders or desert- young men who were convicted of evading the ers, has become increasingly critical of Ford's draft or deserting the military rather than serve presidency and has threatened to oppose his in the Vietnam War. There was considerable nomination in 1976. Star 5/27/75 Mary McGrory The Pardoner in applications, generated by a mas- Still Unkind sive public-relations campaign, means that more young Americans will be given an added official oppor- tunity to "twist slowly, slowly in the On Amnesty wind" while Gerald Ford ponders the precise moment he can safely pick up his pen again. By Mary McGrory Washington Star Staff Writer IT SHOULD BE pointed out, how- ever, that the President is being The Presidential Clemency Board, equally niggardly with those who which was set up to judge those men fought the war. Moving with uncom- who have already been punished for mon alacrity, he declared, as Saigon fleeing the draft or the military, has was falling, that the GI education bill disposed of exactly 65 cases of the would be ended as of June 30. 19,000 it has taken on. Vietnam veterans have few The American Civil Liberties friends. The unpopularity of the war Union, the program's most vigorous has rubbed off on them. A few con- organized critic, has calculated that gressmen, mindful that the GI Bill at its present rate, the board will fin- made them what they are today, ish its task in the year 2,150. have tried to extend or at least But that's the way it's going to go equalize the benefits of the Vietnam with Gerald Ford in the White House. GI bill, so far with little success. Amnesty has always been a bad word The veterans are either ambivalent to the pardoner of Richard Nixon. or ashamed about having got caught None dares mention it in the presence in the great national mistake, and of the hard-nosed "victor" of Maya- have failed to organize a lobby. They guez. can't afford to, for one, since so The Clemency Board has passed on many of them were poor and unedu- 900 cases. The files of 835 have been cated. They are not a force Congress gathering dust on the desk of presi- or presidential budget-cutters must dential counsel, Philip A. Buchen, reckon with. sinced Dec. 31, when the President Amnesty has even fewer advo- signed the last of the 65. cates. Sen. Philip Hart, D-Mich. and Rep. Bella Abzug, D-N.Y. have both THE APPLICANTS have apparent- introduced bills for near-unčondition- ly not "suffered enough" - the al amnesty. But since Mayaguez standard applied in granting uncon- proved the box-office appeal of the ditional amnesty to Gerald Ford's Green Bay Packers approach to predecessor as commander in international affairs. little hope is at- LEGLESS CLEMENCY BOARD MEMBER Gen. Puller's Son Aids War Resisters BY RUDY ABRAMSON decision, or theirs, he does not seem beginning to tear the country apart, Times Staff Writer to be anymore. and thousands of his contemporaries WASHINGTON-Before he joined When Puller received his 1-A draft were refusing to go. the Marine Corps, won the gold bars classification in 1967. the war was But going was natural for Puller. of a second lieutenant and lost both He is the only son of the late Lt. of his legs to a land mine outside Da Gen. Lewis B. (Chesty) Puller. the Nang, Lewis Puller Jr. had never FEATURE INDEX only marine ever to win five Navy questioned the rightfulness of the Crosses for gallantry, a warrior who U.S. war in Vietnam. served the corps 37 years, 27 of them ASTROLOGY. Part 2, Page 3. overseas or at sea. "It never occurred to me to doubt," BOOK REVIEW. View, Page 5. he said. "It seemed to me that our BRIDGE. View, Page 2. The son had never planned a mili- country had never been wrong in the CLASSIFIED. Part 5, Pages 1-16. tary career. No matter what he did past." COMICS. View, Page 15. in uniform, he knew that he would CROSSWORD. Part 5, Page 16. always be known as Chesty Puller's 837-9486 as ERIE COUNTY REPUBLICAN ROBERT C. LILIENTHAL COMMITTEE COMMITTEEMAN UNIVERSITY, DISTRICT 49 575 Ellicott Sq. Bldg. Buffalo, N.Y. 14203 856-8700 Buffalo Courier-Exp Draft Cases Hung 6/30/75 Up By TERENCE P. McELROY of the date of the indictment, Unfortunately, a charge of in Today, more than two years Arcara said. And that require- draft evasion presents little op- ju after the U.S. military with- ment has been satisfied, he drawal from Southeast Asia, maintained. portunity to negotiate a deal. some 24 months since the last What has delayed the prose- Unlike accepting a guilty plea American was drafted and near- cution of these cases is the to a charge of petit larceny TI ly 90 days since the expiration burgeoning caseload in the dis- when the actual offense was in date of the clemency program, trict. grand larceny, there is no room por an even 100 area draft evaders Literally thousands of cases, for compromise on a draft in are still under indictment. both criminal and civil, are evasion charge. Tagged on job applications, pending in the courts. And it Reason for Delays loan applications, work records would be unrealistic to believe and the like as facing criminal that all can be tried by the So unless a defendant pleads charges, many of these young three federal Judges assigned to guilty to the Selective Service men are facing indictments the district. For this reason, indictment, he must be tried, which date back to 1972. scores of civil cases are settled and the widespread refusal to And the prospect that the out of court, and prosecutors do so has forced the cases on cases will be resolved quickly is engage in the business of "plea the court. not good. bargaining" allowing a defend- Federal Judge John T. Curtin, Court records indicate that the ant to plead guilty to a lesser chief judge in the district and last selective service case to go offense. therefore responsible for assign- to trial in the Western Dist. of New York was in January 1973 in Rochester. The last draft evasion case tried in Buffalo was in December 1971. 'Gas' Spill Contained Numerous Selective Service A rupture in an eight-inch line river and the refinery's tanks, cases have been resolved caused a 15,000-gallon gasoline through guilty pleas, U.S. Atty. ruptured near River Rd. and spill at the Sun Oil Co. refinery, Richard J. Arcara reports. Yet the gasoline flowed into a gully. 3755 River Rd., Town of Tona- he concedes that an evader who wanda, Sunday. Gully Contains Gas wishes to absolve himself of "The spill was all contained wrongdoing is forced to wait. The gully, officials said, con and none of it got into the Niag- "Look, we've been ready to tained the gas and it did not try these cases for a long time," ara River," a company spokes- seep into the river or across the the prosecutor said. man said on Sunday afternoon. road. Fire companies were sent We are in the process of pump- to the scene to lay a covering Ready in 6 Months ng it back and are pretty sure of foam over the gas as a pre- The defendant's right to we will reclaim most of it." caution, and police said River speedy trial merely requires Town police said the spill oc- Rd, was closed for a short time that the government be ready curred at about 3:15 a.m. when about 4 p.m. to facilitate the fire to proceed within six months the line, between a tanker on the fighters' efforts. Charlie, Mill continue to keep you putel Bob Now Limite Onn I JULY 2. 1975 Army Times Panel Denies Call For Total Amnesty By DON HIRST grettable" and "a travesty," it By a Times Staff Writer also said that such a move should include everyone who WASHINGTON - Reports that had deserted or evaded the draft the head of the Presidential Cle- during the Korean war and mency Board has been urging those who received bad dis President Ford to grant "general charges or civil convictions dur- and total amnesty" for Vietnam- ing "other wars." era deserters and draft evaders "Let it be said that in the fu- are "totally wrong," board offi- ture a man can choose his war," cials say. the were said. "Then try to de- The charge was raised in a fend this glorious nation!" telegram sent to Ford by John J. $.mm" Store MARY McGRORY: How Much Suffering Is Enough for Andrew Davis? The Clemency Board held its first Under the television lights, his law- like an invitation to come home: since he was a convicted evader, he mally applied to the board. As a vened the hearing, and while public hearing last week. The case of yer, animated, bearded, 66-year-old could go back when he wanted. prisoner, he could not. But the board everybody present looked at the "You are eligible for diversion to Andrew Davis, a 32-year-old black Conrad Lynn (author of How to Avoid He finished his caseload, and on gathered itself up, appealed to the floor, she spoke. the Draft) reviewed the facts. Davis an alternate service pregram. Should social worker from Queens who was April 10 - just ten days after the Justice Department, took temporary refused induction on "political, eco- you agree to undertake acceptable deadline had expired he went jurisdiction and got Davis a furlough Rosalie Stewart, barely audible, convicted for draft refusal in 1968, alternative service as an acknowl- was good for them and bad for them. nomic and sociological grounds." He home to Queens. After talking with from prison. said she did not feel her son was a edgment of your allegiance to the criminal. She felt he had "suffered Davis' plight he had been misin- had been drafted by an all-white his mother, he presented himself to U.S., this office will refrain from He was nattuy aressea in a stitch- formed by an American official in board in a 90 percent black neighbor- the U.S. attorney's office in Brook- enough." She had "suffered enough," presecution. ed brown suit and platforms. He an- too, she thought. She used that reaso- Canada, turned himself in after the hood. He had no quarrel with the lyn. They didn't know about any tele- 'We suggest," the letter went on swered the board members' ques- deadline and was promptly jailed - phone call to the consulate. They put nant phrase from the Nixon pardon Vietnamese. and this cenveys the true flaver of . . 41. tions articulately, gravely. Louise announcement four times. It embar- CEG STATEMENT OF DEFENSE (coputo OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE RT) WASHINGTON, D.C. 20301 AMERICA UNITED STATES OF at 8 August 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR Mr. Charles E. Goodell Chairman, Presidential Clemency Board The White House THRU: Captain Leland S. Kollmorgen, USN Military Assistant to the President Z The attached clippings represent a time period of over a month. It would appear that it may be time to discontinue forwarding them. Please advise. timeth Kenneth R. Bailey Baily Colonel, USA Military Assistant Attachment FORD i LIBRARY GERALD AMERICAN REVOLUTION 1776-1976 WESTENNING League's Head Calls for Total Amnesty By PAUL DELANEY also unveiled the Urban comes would get the income Special to The New York Times League's proposal for a new assistance they need, but for ATLANTA, July 27-Vernon national welfare program. He which they do not qualify under E. Jordan Jr., executive direc- called for a credit income tax, the present system. tor of the National Urban "No means tests, no work which is a version of the neg- League and a member of the requirements, no coercive local ative income tax. He described Presidential clemency board, regulations or other stigmatiz- broke with the Ford Adminis- the tax as "a pro-work, pro- ing elements would be part of tration today and urged total family, pro-dignity proposal the system. Payments are au- amnesty for Vietnam veterans. for a humane, responsible so- tomatic, through the tax sys- Mr. Jordan's position was ciety." tem, and would be a matter of disclosed in remarks he had Under the proposal, all per- right." The present system, he prepared for delivery tonight sons would receive a basic said, takes more from the pock- in his keynote speech at the annual grant, or tax credit. ets of moderate income working 65th annual convention of the Persons above a certain in- people than it does from the league. come would lose the grant rich." The nine-member board was through taxation, and those be- Mr. Jordan also criticized the established by President Ford low a designated income would statistics released by the De. last September to review the keep all or part of the grant. partment of Labor on unem- cases of those already convict- "Families who are above the league had found a jobless rate ed or punished for military de- poverty level but below the of 15 per cent rather than the sertion or draft evasion. level at which the grant is 9 per cent reported by the Mr. Jordan said that he had taxed away would benefit be- Government, with 3 million been troubled by the cause a portion of their grant blacks and 12 million whites Part II-Main Edition--23 July 1975 EDITORIALS LOUISVILLE COURIER-JOURNAL PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER 23 July 1975 18 July 1975 (23) Is this new cruiser necessary? Isn't it time President Ford has reportedly over- been lobbying for the ship. has his for a new look ruled senior officials in the Pentagon way, this country will eventually as well as his own budget office in his build a fleet of 18 to 24 of them. Sim- request for a nuclear-powered ple multiplication, without consider- ing the usual cost overruns, brings a at amnestv? cruiser. That is, of course, his right, total of $21.6 billion to $28:8 billion. but the request is nevertheless ques- Does the "fiscal discipline" Mr. Ford tionable on a number of grounds. has been calling for apply only to the A PRESIDENT husy wooing GOP con- It is questionable on the matter of civilian side of the budget? servatives who might entertain Reaganesque fancies about preventing his nomination can necd. Does the Navy, which already The request, which was not made hardiy be expected to suggest now that Viet- has a flcet of nuclear-powered sub- until late June, is also questionable nam war resisters and deserters be offered marines. need this nuclear-powered on grounds of procedure. Sen. Ed- the same compassion he showed his pre- surface vessel? If so, for what kind of mund S. Muskie, chairman of the Sen- decessor. But his conditional amnesty pro- missions? Would the Navy, now seek- ate Budget Committee, says the Pres- gram, which expired three months ago, didn't ing to add 100 ships to the 500-vessel ident is encouraging a departure from work. So Congress, which could use a display fleet, be better off with a larger num- the "sound budgetary practice" en,- of leadership for a change, should revive an ber of less expensive vessels? visaged by the 1974 budget act - that issue too important to ignore. The request is questionable on the is, that programs be requested far Senators Gaylord Nelson and Jacob Javits matter of cost. Mr. Ford has asked for! enough in advance to give Congress this month asked President Ford to reopen the conditional amnesty program and filed a bill only $60 million to be added to the time to scrutinize them with care. in renew it. Now. in an article in The Washing- $25 billion military procurement bill Congress should take the time now ton Star. former Congressman Brooks Hays of now in Senate-House conference com- We say the request is questionable Arkansas (also a former head of the Southern mittee, but that is only the down- but we do not pretend to have all the Baptist Convention), proposes nothing less payment on a vessel estimated to cost answers. These are for Congress to than a general amnesty. Recalling the parable $1.2-billion. obtain. and to do before committing LIB WASHINGTON STAR FORD 20 July 1975 R. EMATO MARY McGRORY: How Much Suffering Is Enough for Andrew Davis? The Clemency Board held its first Under the television lights, his law- like an invitation to come home: public hearing last week. The case of yer, animated, bearded, 66-year-old "You are eligible for diversion to Andrew Davis, a 32-year-old black Conrad Lynn (author of How to Avoid an alternate service program. Should social worker from Queens who was the Draft) reviewed the facts. Davis you agree to undertake acceptable convicted for draft refusal in 1968, refused induction on "political, eco- alternative service as an acknowl- was good for them and bad for them. nomic and sociological grounds." He edgment of your allegiance to the Davis' plight - he had been misin- had been drafted by an all-white U.S., this office will refrain from formed by an American official in board in a 90 percent black neighbor- Canada. turned himself in after the hood. He had no quarrel with the prosecution. We suggest " the letter went on Weekend Edition -- 6 July 1975 WASHINGTON STAR 6 JULY 1975 Now's the time for a general amnesty- 'forgiving and forgetting' the resisters might be given an opportuni- ty, for an unprescribed period, to render national public service in agencies such as A general amnesty, not a case-by-case the Peace Corps, but not as a condition for By Brooks Hays analysis, is what is needed to restore the their return. A special procedure, under conscientious objectors to their families the supervision of an appropriate federal and homeland. Congress and the President agency, should be established for this type Now that the disappointing results of should be willing to make possible full of voluntary alternative service. The dis- President Ford's "amnesty" plan are opportunity for restoration to normal life tinction between the President's program known, it is apparent that the problem re- in the United States, with provision for and this plan is that the first is mandatory mains with us. The President's plan, pro- voluntary, but not mandatory, alternative and the latter would be voluntary. duced by his sincere concern for the thou- service. Such a policy would preserve the gov- sands of expatriates, was not in reality an To be blind to the elements of conscience ernment's legal and moral position in deal- amnesty, and if there is to be progress in in this situation would be contrary to ing with constituents and the problems of restoring the resisters to their homeland, American traditions. At the threshold of war and peace. It also would grant to the amnesty in the historic sense must be the soul the powers of government should "men of conscience" on the issue of Viet- granted. pause. It is apparent that the resisters' nam an opportunity to prove that they In the light of the failure of the Execu- consciences were not dull and insensitive, acted not in fear or weakness, but with a tive plan. Congress becomes the forum for since their moral position bighlighted the willingness to "pay the price of disobedi- PHILADE HIA INQUIRER 6 JULY 1975(7) Amnesty Bill Inches Forward Bv DAVID HESS Inquirer Washington Bureau WASHINGTON - An amnesty bill that would clean the slates of about 120,000 draft evaders, AWOLS, de- serters and servicemen who shunned combat on moral grounds is inching its way through a House subcommit- tee. Sponsored by Reps. Robert Kasten- meier (D., Wis.), John F. Seiberling (D., Ohio) and about 16 other liberal Democrats, the bill would grant a general amnesty to all eligible per- sons whose violations occurred be- tween Jan. 1, 1961 and May 1, 1975 - the Vietnam era. Kastenmèier's Subcommittee on Counts, Civil Liberties and the Ad- ministration of Justice is drafting a final version of the bill and should re- port it to the full Judiciary Commit- tee by the end of July, a committee spokesman said. While it is expected to squeeze through the subcommittee, one House staffer said, its chances of surviving even the full committee are rather dim at this point. Nevertheles's the bill's ARMY MAGAZINE JULY 1975 (10) Clemency Program Draws Back Half Of Army Eligibles More than half of the Army de- serters eligible for clemency returned by the 31 March deadline, according to Department of the Army. Army returnees totaled 4,263, or 54 percent of those listed as deserters. The Marine Corps had the highest percentage of returnees, 987, or 65 percent, while the Navy had 205 re- turnees (33 percent) and the Air Force, 46 (30 percent). About ten percent of those returning to the Army came from outside of the United States. Most, 330, had been in Canada, while 41 came from Sweden, 23 from Mexico, 17 from Germany and 60 from other places. Fifty-nine percent cited personal, AIR FORCE TIMES 25 June 1975 Clemency Board Nearing Wrap-Up By a Times Staff Writer 15, clearing the way for Presi- WASHINGTON - The Presi- dent Ford to dispose of the dential Clemency Board expects cases. to wrap up its review of more The board, an 18-member advi- than 18,000 applications for sory group, has been meeting six clemency from convicted draft days a week in split panels to evaders and deserters by Sept. handle the thousands of applica- tions from Vietnam-era deserters and draft dodgers. To date the President has acted on only 145 cases. The board recommends either (1) unconditional pardon or (2) pardon in exchange for a period of alternate-duty service per- formed by the applicant NYTIMES 22 June 1975 Clemency Program Lags After9 Months of Work By JAMES T. WOOTEN Special to The New York Times WASHINGTON, June 20- young Americans who were When President Ford offered eligible. conditional clemency last Sep- Nine months later, the Presi- tember to convicted draft re- dent has acted on 165 applica- sisters and military absentees tions, and as of this week, 11 of the Vietnam War era, he men were working at "alter- called it "a national commit- nate service" jobs required as ment to justice and mercy" for a condition of his pardon. the estimated total of 120,000 While these figures apply to only one of three components in the clemency apparatus, they help reflect the program's over-all lack of appeal to those who resisted conscription or The Tiller family, two of whose sons fled the Vietnam to Levittown, N.Y., to escape draft and still live in Canada, moved from Dante, Va., son, not shown in photo, chose Open to Discussion be allon now, wi the Vie freely. I tional a Will We Ever Solve To o tional a ency, 1 of the Amnesty Problem? Argues commit ought bunch making the let erans ( t can me we by George Michaelson died, as WASHINGTON, D.C. raised, in Congress and elsewhere, is ometime next month the Presiden- S what should be done about it. tial Clemency Board expects to Should these men be told, "Too bad, complete its remaining batch of it's too late"? Should the program of Vietnam amnesty cases, and close conditional, earned reentry (which calls up shop. for, among other things, up to 24 "All in all, the President's program months of alternate, civilian service to allowing for 'earned reentry' has been the country) be reopened? Or, is a a mixed success," says Charles E. blanket, unconditional amnesty the Goodell, the former New York Senator answer? who heads the board. "Only 23,000 applied, but I personally feel we have Won't compromise gone some distance towards easing the To one mother, at least, the answer is discord in this country caused by the painfully clear. Says Mrs. Virginia Jones, Vietnam war." whose son is one of several thousand Ce PARADE AUGUST 10, 1975 Goodell may be right, but the fact fugitives who are still in Canada: "I just remains that of the 124,000 men cov- can't accept that my son has to go on ered by President Ford's program, more living in exile. He's been away for five than 100,000 have yet to ask for clem- years, and God knows, he's paid his ency. And the question now being price for refusing the draft. He should Charles ency p 50% of Applicants Pardoned Thus Far By Clemency Board $13 WASHINGTON, Aug. 12 (AP) -The Presidential Clemency Board said today that it had granted about 6,000 uncondi- tional pardons to persons who received punitive military dis- charges or were convicted of desertion or draft evasion in the Vietnam war era. The figure represents about half of the 12,000 cases the board has acted on to date. A backlog of more than 4,000 cases remains to be processed, a task that the board chairman Charles E. Goodell, said he ex- pected to be completed when the board expires by law on Sept. 15. Those who did not receive pardons were granted pardons conditioned on work in public service jobs ranging from three to 12 months, Mr. Goodell said. A few were required to work more than a year, he added. The board turned down about 7Q0 persons for any degree of clemency. About 21,000 persons applied to the board, but the number was reduced to between 15,000 and 16,G00 because many were found to be ineligible. These included some who committed offenses in World War I and FOR BUFFALO COURIER-EXPRESS, Sunday, August 17, 1975 Clemency Program Success GERA A For Applicants, Goodell Says Courier-Express Washington Bureau alternative service re- WASHINGTON - Charles E. quirement." Goodell, chairman of the The bulk of the cases his Presidential Clemency Board, panel handled were undesirable described the clemency pro- discharges. If the person is gram as "extremely suc- back home, married and has a cessful" for the nearly 16,000 job, he probably-decided not to people who took advantage of it. bother with the clemency But the failure of another 100,000 eligible persons to apply board, Goodell added. for the program was a major Overall, he said about 16,000 disappointment to him, he said. persons applied to the board, To Resume Law Practice and about 12,000 cases have In an interview with The been acted on so far. Of these, 6,000 were granted un- Courier-Express, the former conditional pardons. New York State senator said he By comparison, the Defense will return to private law prac- Dept. clemency program at- tice when the board expires on Sept. 16. Charles E. Goodell tracted about half of its 12,000 eligibles. These were all "I plan to go back to prac- mixed reactions fugitives, who deserted and ticing law fulltime," he said. "I "It's unfortunate that knew the military was looking The Washington Star August 19, 1975 (page A-3) Mary McGrory U.S. Agencies Snooping At Clemency Files FORD & LIBRARY 034870 As of yesterday, a Marine in mufti has been posted at a table barring ac- cess to the confidential files of the records room of the Presidential Cle- mency Board. It's too late, according to some of the people who work there. Despite a presidential promise, written into federal regulations and instructions to the staff, that appli- cants will have full privacy and protection from other agencies, representativesof the FBI, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Office of Naval Intelligence, have inspected the records - "looking," as one source put it, "for fugitives and new addresses.' Applicants who went AWOL after March 28, the deadline for clemency, are obviously vulnerable." The attorneys and legal interns who have informed the press of the practice insist on anonymity. Some receive government aid for, law school, some are still presenting cases of Vietnam deserters and draft A8 Sunday, August 24, 1975 THE WASHINGTON POST They Escape Punishment and Assigned Jobs Two-Thirds Are Out of Clemeny Plan By Jerry T. Baulch and denied pardons to about partment of Defense portion One soldier who served in Associated Press 700. of the program and 10 under Vietnam is working as a "jack Two-thirds of the deserters Only 130 men processed by the board have reported for the Department of Justice por- of all trades" in a rest home. who joined President Ford's clemency job program have jobs because most of the 6,000 tion have completed job as- "He enjoys his work and plans dropped out, been kicked out, so designated are awaiting signments. The work periods to remain on the job after his or been processed out by the concurrence by the President average 20 months. service is finished," a Selec- military without reporting for or are within the 30-day dead- The Selective Service, in giv- tive Service report said. "This jobs and will escape punish- line for reporting. Seven have ing examples of men who have man has only a seventh-grade ment without completing their completed their job assign- benefitted from the program, education and has had trouble assigned work. ments. said it could not give names in getting and keeping jobs." Board Chairman Charles E. order to protect individual pri- A man in New York State, a Of 4,503 deserters who Goodell said "it is too early to vacy. Most are wounded, deco- wounded veteran, works with joined the program, 2,035 have tell" how many who signed rated Vietnam veterans. mentally retarded children dropped out or been kicked with the board intend to per- One is a former Marine in a "and is considering taking fur- out, the Selective Service says. form jobs, although all agreed southern state who started the ther training so as to be better About 1,000 men processed out to do so when they applied. program as a jailer's assistant by the military never reported equipped to help his wards The Justice Department por- and fit in so well he was sent even more," the report said. for jobs, the Defense Depart- tion of the program has a low to school on his own time and Another Army veteran is ment says. dropout rate-19 of 722. Those is now a sheriff's deputy. The deserters are no longer working in an East Coast city who don't complete their jobs Another veteran served as a as a rodent and insect control under military control because can be prosecuted for draft food service worker in a state inspector for the health de- they were given discharges, evasion. Some of the dropouts hospital in the West. His su- and this will enable them to partment. His supervisor have fled the country to avoid escape punishment for deser- pervisor wrote the Selective hopes to keep him after his prosecution. Service that he wanted more tion without completing the term is up, the Selective Serv- So far, 52 persons in the De- employees like him. ice said. work they were assigned un- der the program. About 7,000 deserters never tried to get into the program The Washington Star August Cb, 1975 (page A-3) R.FO Mary GERALD McGrory Convict Clemency Plan: No Justice, No Mercy By Mary McGrory Washington Star Staff Writer You may remember the "body count," that infamous concept which dominated the fighting of the Viet- nam War. It has figured also in the so-called Clemency Program which President Ford devised to provide "not just justice, but mercy" for those who fled it. The program which he announced on the eve of the Nixon pardon, with the hope of mollifying the left without inflaming the right, was, three months after its inception, well on its way to becoming his greatest fiasco since the "WIN" campaign. The most the Clemency Board at- tracted of its potential clientele was 18 percent. In the beginning, it was boycotted. In an attempt to up the numbers and give the affair some semblance of plausibility Clemency MINIMENT OF DEFENSE DE FENSE OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE WASHINGTON, D.C. 20301 UNITED STATES of SMIRICA at 27 August 1975 MEMORANDUM FOR Mr. Charles E. Goodell Chairman, Presidential Clemency Board The White House THRU: Captain Leland S. Kollhorgen, USN Military Assistant to the President The attached is forwarded per your request. KNS Kenneth R. Bailey Colonel, USA Military Assistant Attachment AMERICAN REVOLUTION 1776-1976 Weekend Edition -- 10 August 1975 WASHINGTON POST (POTOMAC) 10 AUGUST 1975 Open to Discussion ditional" amnesty prog a punishment, and they of it. Says John Colhou who has lived in Toro Will We Ever Solve "If the Vietnam war w the U.S. had no busin why should we have come back like crimin wrong, and wind up to some menial job?" the Ammesty Problem? Thus, when the dea ency applications pas of March, fewer than those eligible had act for those who did app by George Michaelson cent who were asked service, most have ref jobs offered them. (7 WASHINGTON, D.C. making an utter mockery of those who has been reluctant to ometime next month the Presiden- S died, and everything they stood for." men who, in effect, h tial Clemency Board expects to It was in an effort to strike some bal- of the program.) complete its remaining batch of ance between these two positions, that With this the scorec Vietnam amnesty cases, and close President Ford last September instituted a year after President up shop. his clemency program-designed, in his proposal for "bindir "All in all, the President's program words, to "reject amnesty, and reject wounds," the questio anowing for 'earned reentry' has been revenge." do we go from here? I a mixed success," says Charles E. The plan, administered by a specially the only way of bring Goodell, the former New York Senator appointed Presidential Clemency back into the America who heads the board. "Only 23,000 Board, as well as the Justice and De- now an unconditional applied, but I personally feel we have fense Departments, was aimed at pro- the government declar gone some distance towards easing the viding clemency for draft evaders A knotty question, discord in this country caused by the (13,000), and deserters still officially at opponents of such a Vietnam war." large (10,000); most of these men were out, we never have ha Goodell may be right, but the fact either living abroad, principally in Can- nesty after any of ou remains that of the 124,000 men cov- ada, or underground in the U.S. should there be one ered by President Ford's program, more Plan outline answer amnesty advod than 100,000 have yet to ask for clem- the Civil War, never ha ency. And the question now being It also included 101,000 veterans who more division in the C raised in and elsewhere is had already been released from the resisters: and only. WASHINGTON STAR 24 AUGUST 1975 (25) Pg.2 Many Escaping Work Obligation After Amnesty By Jerry T. Baulch gram, 2,879 have taken Associated Press jobs. Two-thirds of the desert- Unpunished deserters ers who joined President were handled by the De- Ford's clemency job pro- fense Department; unpun- gram have dropped out, ished draft evaders by the been kicked out, or process- Justice Department. Both ed out by the military with- of these parts of the pro- out reporting for jobs, and gram have been completed. But men convicted of draft will escape punishment without completing their evasion or being punished for desertion are handled assigned work. by the Presidential Cle- Almost half of the 4,503 deserters who joined the mency Board, and its part of the program is still program, or 2,035 men, unfinished. have either dropped out or been kicked out, the Selec- OF ALL THREE parts of tive Service says. The De- the program, the Clemency fense Department says an Board has had the most additional 1,000 men proc- applicants - 21,000 in all. It essed out by the military has until Sept. 15 to com- never reported for jobs at plete its work. So far it has all. found nearly 6,000 appli- The 2,035 dropouts and cants ineligible, recom- kick-outs and the 1,000 no- mended outright pardons shows are no longer under for about 6,000 others, military control because recommended pardons they were given dis- conditioned on work period charges, and this will en- for about 6,000 more, and able them to escape punish- denied pardons to about 700. ment for desertion without Only 130 processed by the completing the work they board have reported for were assigned under the jobs, because most of the program. 6,000 so designated by the An additional 7,000 board are still awaiting deserters never tried to get concurrence by the Presi- into the program. These dent or are still within the constitute many of those 30-day deadline for report- who fled the country and ing after Ford acts. Seven still could be punished if have completed their job apprehended. assignments. Board Chairman Charles SELECTIVE Service E. Goodell says "it is too officials, in response to As- early to tell" how many sociated Press inquiries, who signed up with the coid the 2,025 board intend to perform OTIS CHANDLER, Publisher Clos Angeles Times ROBERT D. NELSON Executive Vice President and General Manager HARRISON GRAY OTIS. 1882-1917 WILLIAM F. THOMAS Executive Vice President and Editor HARRY CHANDLER, 1917-1944 NORMAN CHANDLER. 1944-1960 CHARLES C. CHASE, Vice President-Production ROBERT L. FLANNES, Vice President and Assistant to the Publisher ROBERT C. LOBDELL, Vice President and General Counsel VANCE L. STICKELL, Vice President-Sales JAMES BASSETT, Associate Editor ANTHONY DAY, Editor of the Editorial Pages ROBERT J. DONOVAN, Associate Editor FRANK P. HAVEN, Managing Editor JEAN SHARLEY TAYLOR, Associate Editor 6-Part II THURSDAY MORNING, AUGUST 14, 1975 No Deadline for Mercy President Ford has gone along with all the rec- scientious-objector status did not require religious ommendations of his Vietnam clemency board. and grounds, but the ruling came too late for those who he almost certainly will approve its latest proposal already had paid the price for refusing military ser- that he grant unconditional pardons to 6,000 draft vice. evaders and deserters who already have paid the This week, in urging the President to grant the penalty for their wartime offenses. unconditional pardons, clemency board Chairman But we believe he should do much more than Charles E. Goodell said, "We have succeeded in that: He should extend the life of the clemency closing the chapter on Vietnam." BALTIMORE SUN 66% of deserters fail 24 August 1975 to finish clemency jobs Washington (AP) - Two- er tried to get into the program. thirds of the deserters who These constitute many of those Only 130 processed by the One is a former Marine in a joined President Ford's clem- who fled the country and still board have reported for jobs, Southern state who started the ency job program have dropped could be punished if apprehend- because most of the 6,000 so program as a jailer's assistant out, been kicked out, or pro- ed. designated by the board are and fit in so well he was sent to cessed out by the military with- -According to Selective Ser- still awaiting concurrence by school on his own time and is out reporting for jobs and will vice officials, the 2,035 "were the President or are still within now a sheriff's deputy. escape punishment without terminated for nonperform- the 30-day deadline for report- Another Vietnam veteran completing their assigned ance, for lack of co-operation ing after President Ford acts. worked his term as a food ser- work. and because they chose not to fulfill their agreements in assignments. Seven have completed their job vice employee in a state hospi- Of the 4,503 deserters who tal in the West. His supervisor joined the program; 2,035 have many cases." Some with fami- The Clemency Board chair- wrote the Selective Service that either dropped out or been lies dropped out because they man, Charles E. Goodell, says he wanted more employees like kicked out, the Selective Ser- couldn't make a go of it on the "it is too early to tell" how him. vice says. Another 1,000 men low pay. many who signed up with the A soldier who served in Viet- processed out by the military "Even though we didn't get the numbers we anticipated, board intend to perform jobs, nam is working as a "jack of all never reported for jobs at all, although all agreed to do so trades" in a rest home for the the Department of Defense President Ford has attained when they applied. aged. "He enjoys his work and says. more of his initial goal than lots The Justice Department por- plans to remain on the job after The 2,035 dropouts and kick- of people give him credit for," tion of the program for draft his service is finished," a Selec- outs and the 1,000 who failed to says the draft director, Byron V. Pepitone. dodgers has a low dropout rate, tive Service report said. "This show up are no longer under In addition to unpunished de- only 19 of the 722 who signed man has only a seventh grade military control because they nn Those who do met education and has had trouble The response from the prisoners was instant and gratifying. Some WASHINGTON STAR Mary 4,000 applications rolled in, greatly 26 August 1975 increasing the Clemency Board's rolls. Attica alone sent in 50. Prison- ers have little to do and apparently a chance at some light at the end of the McGrory tunnel appealed. The Clemency Board which re- PRESENTLY, the board is sending ceived only general information over to the White House what Goodell about the civilian offense began to calls "a number" of favorable act on the applications in the same recommendations for felons who Convict Clemency Plan: handled what came to be known as engaged in nonviolent criminal activi- the "jail-mail" just like the other ty - crimes against property, not No Justice, No Mercy applications. Then it dawned on them persons, as Goodell defines it. The that they might embarrass the Presi- felons' recommendations go over in By Mary McGrory dent if they recommended to him the separate packets from those of non- Washington Star Staff Writer pardon of people who were later re- felons so the President's counsel can vealed to be murderers, rapists or scrutinize them for any embarrass- You may remember the "body perpetrators of other serious crimes. ment content. count," that infamous concept which dominated the fighting of the Viet- AFTER A LONG and bitter dispute "Many of these rejected applicants nam War. It has figured also in the which polarized the Board Members have as good or better cases for so-called Clemency Program which clemency than those who are not now President Ford devised to provide in prison but who have been granted "not just justice, but mercy" for Point of View a pardon," says one attorney. "Many those who fled it. blacks experienced overt racial dis- The program which he announced crimination which contributed to on the eve of the Nixon pardon, with and embroiled attorneys and summer their AWOLs. They have received the hope of mollifying the left without legal interns, they decided on a poli- decorations, and they had strong inflaming the right, was, three cy of no clemency for those convicted aggravating personal reasons for months after its inception, well on its of heinous offenses. their military offenses, but they get way to becoming his greatest fiasco the consideration." since the "WIN" campaign. Vernon Jordan, executive director The most the Clemency Board at- of the National Urban League, took One board member, Joan Vinson, tracted of its potential clientele was vehement opposition. It was his con- questioned the use of a clemency dis- 18 percent. In the beginning, it was tention that the Clemency Board was charge for a man already in prison bovcotted In an attempt to un the taking unto itself the nowers of a Su- while the debete was going on Actu- 14aug 1975 Many Fugitives Refusing Clemency By GRACE BASSETT "Others were content with been punished whereas the News American Bureau their new lives,' Goodell exiles fled; rather than de- added. fend themselves against al- Ball News america WASHINGTON - About Whatever their reasons, most certain punishment 100,000 men and women con- "those who left made a con- prior to 1970. 14 Aug 75 Pers- amnisty victed of crimes growing out scious choice," Goodell said. of their opposition to the "I don't think there's going Varying explanations are Vietnamese war never both- to be any further amnesty or offered here for President ered to apply for clemency. clemency extended to them. Ford's stern refusal to offer Nor has President Ford's Their residences in Canada amnesty to expatriates. somewhat confusing offer of or Sweden are permanent.' forgiveness tempted uncount- The dissolution of the Politically, the President ed thousands more war oppo- board, at least, will "close seemed on firm ground. nents to return from Canada, that chapter" of the Viet- Polls indicate most Ameri- Mexico, South America or namese struggle, according cans agree, in general, with Europe, countries they chose to Goodell. Cooper Holt, executive direc- to live in rather than to fight Those will be hard words tor of the Washington office in Asia. for mothers, such as Virginia of the Veterans of Foreign These evaders either de- Jones, whose son is still in Wars, who says: serted the military or took Canada. cas going on? mi BARRETT: Correct. el LEE: How soon after your father's be death did you learn that it was from a th drug? to BARRETT: My mother told me --- well my vi mother didn't tell me till a week after re he died, and when she told me she told me Se then that it was from LSD. jo LEE: The hospital says it couldn't de happen again because of all the safe- A guards and the informed consent contract pr these days. ma BARRETT: The safeguard has to be with to the person who's getting the treatment, a that's the ultimate safeguard is that he Wa say: Hey, wait a minute, I didn't know I was supposed to get something now, what I is that. LEE: And your father was never given that chance? tl BARRETT: Oh no, he wasn't even -- it C just wasn't the fashion I guess. r t Clemency Board P1 m SERAFIN: Charles GOODELL, head of the C administration's amnesty program for J draft dodgers and deserters, says the b program has not reached many of those for whom it was devised. Details from W Moriah McLaughlin. y MORIAH McLAUGHLIN: GOODELL says that more men did not take advantage of the t overall clemency program because there h was such terrible confusion about it. He says when the program runs out in September that will be it, even for those y uncounted numbers who have left the t country. a CHARLES GOODELL: Well those who H remained in exile I think understood the C program and they made a conscious choice. t I don't think there is going to be any C further amnesty or clemency extended to d them, and I respect the fact that they i decided they wanted to stay where they a were, but the President has done every- C thing that could possibly be expected of 0 him. e McLAUGHLIN: As of today the figures i stack up like this. Under the clemency h board program available to men convicted f and or already punished: over 100,000 k eligible, 16,000 applied, 50 percent have ou received outright pardons, 44 percent a have received alternative service, and only about six percent received no clemency. Many of those who could have qualified under this program didn't bother because they had already started new lives after having served the sen- tence. Under the Defense Department program available to men who deserted the BALTIMORE SUN 13 August 1975 Pg. sought a pardon with no inten- tion of performing the assigned 6,000 unconditional pardons work, Mr. Goodell said it was too early to tell. Of the estimated 5,000 per- issued by clemency board sons who were assigned to per- form public service work in re- turn for clemency, only 288 Washington (AP) The About 21,000 persons ap- who served valiantly in Viet- persons have been referred by plied to the board, but the num- nam and subsequently got into the clemency board to the Presidential Clemency Board ber was reduced to between 15,- trouble when they came home," Selective Service System for said yesterday it has granted about 6,000 unconditional par- 000 and 16,000 because many Mr. Goodell said. processing, a Selective S. vice dons to persons who received were found to be ineligible. spokesman said. "About 66 per cent of our ci- punitive military discharges or These included some who com- vilian applicants evidenced sub- The remaining case are were convicted of desertion or mitted offenses in World War I stantial conscientious objection awaiting action by Mr. Ford, draft dodging in the Vietnam and World War II. to the war but were unable to who must give final approval to war era. Another 100,000 persons eli- obtain proper C. O. status and all clemency board recommen- gible for clemency did not ap- dations. The figure represents about they have been recommended half of the 12,000 cases the ply to the board because of con- Of the 5,551 unconvicted de- for outright pardons." board has acted on to date. A fusion about the program or These were in large part serters processed by the mili- backlog of more than 4,000 cas- lack of motivation, Mr. Goodell men who applied for "C. 0." tary, 1,359 are at work, 879 said. status before the Supreme have been referred to jobs, 167 es remains to be processed, a task that the board chairman, The board does not consider Court ruled in 1970 that such an had their jobs interrupted, 73 Charles E. Goodell, said he ex- cases involving unconvicted application need not have a re- were given new jobs, 60 nost- pects to be completed when the draft dodgers or deserters, or ligious basis, he said. poned the work, 51 completed board expires by law Septem- persons who fled the country to Mr. Goodell said the board their terms and 1,918 dropped ber 15. avoid prosecution. recommended outright pardons out, the Pentagon said. More Those who did not receive "As distinct from the Justice for those who objected to war than 1,000 others did not report full pardons were granted par- and Defense Department pro- in general and to Vietnam spe- for jobs, it added. dons conditioned on work in grams, all of our applicants had cifically. Of the 723 convicted draft public service jobs ranging already been punished for their In answer to questions, the dodgers processed by the Jus- from 3 to 12 months, Mr. Good- offenses," said Mr. Goodell. former New York Republican tice Department, 458 are at ell said. A few were required to He described as "surprising- senator said he would like to work, 179 have been referred to work more than a year, he add- ly revealing" the characteris- see the program continued. But jobs, 29 had their jobs inter- ed. tics of the 12,000 cases acted he doubted President Ford rupted, 15 were referred to new The board turned down on. would ask Congress to extend jobs, 19 postponed, 9 completed about 700 persons for any de- "Roughly 25 per cent of our it. the work and 14 dropped out, a gree of clemency. military cases are individuals Asked how many men spokesman said. 3 Part II -- Main Edition -- 13 August 1975 CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR 13 AUGUST 1975 How Ford Viet clemency worked and some questions that remain By Guy Halverson persons currently under indictment or in- Staff correspondent of vestigaton for draft evasion. The Christian Science Monitor Of the 10,000 certers, whose cases are Washington handled by the Defense Departtment, some With the expiration of President Ford's 5,505 to date have been processed, according post-Vietnam Clemency Review Board Sept. to Pentagon sources. 15, two questions are being asked here: The Clemency Review Board, which was How fairly did the board, which grew given congressional funding for one year deals from a staff of some 45 to more than 600, only with individuals who already have been including a jump from 5 to 18 board members, punished for some offense. handle the processing of the nearly 21,000 individuals who sought clemency. Charles E. Goodell, chairman of the cle- What steps, if any, eventually will be mency board, said there was no possibility the taken by President Ford or his successor to amnesty program would be extended beyond deal with the thousands of individuals who fled Sept. 15 - a result that he attributed to to Canada, Sweden, and other nations because congressional divisiveness over the whole issue. of the Vietnam war, or who are living "underground" lives in the United States? Some critics of the clemency program have To date, the clemency board has received countered that Mr. Ford, seeking to placate some 21,000 applications, of which between right-wing grumbles about the amnesty pro- 15,000 and 16,000 are eligible for board action. gram before the 1976 presidential election, Another 100,000 were eligible but did not would prefer to let the board expire this year. apply According to Mr. Goodell, roughly 50 per- AFB, California. Deserters and Outreach Program NEWMAN: Two and a half years have gone by since the cease-fire in South Vietnam and the final American withdrawal from that country. But it's estimated that more than 100,000 young Americans, deserters and draft evaders, are still either in hiding at home or living across the border in Canada or somewhere else abroad. Now most of these men, probably 95 percent of them, are not being sought by any legal authority. Only 4,400 Americans still face indictments for draft violations or desertion, according to a list provided by the Justice Department last January. With me now is Tim MALONEY who heads a program called "Outreach" for the National Council of Churches. This is intended to let Vietnam war resisters know whether they still face charges or whether they're hiding needlessly. And it's all intended to advise them of their rights. Mr. MALONEY, why does the National Council of Churches feel so strongly about this matter? TIM MALONEY: Well really there were so many victims of the war and, you know, the various denominations -- there's 33 that the NCC represents- have taken stands to say, you know, that the veterans should be helped, the war resisters should be helped, all the victims of the war need some relief and need some assistance. NEWMAN: You regard draft evaders or deserters as victims of the war? MALONEY: Very much so. You know I think there were a whole series of victims and you know the war just tore the country apart. And I think it's time that -- you know we're working to help people on an individual basis and what's really required obviously is a just- amnesty not a so-called clemency program that flopped. 7 Thursday, August THE NEW YORK TIMES, MONDAY, JULY 28, 1975 League's Head Calls for Total Amnesty By PAUL DELANEY also unveiled the Urban comes would get the income Special to The New York Times League's proposal for a new assistance they need, but for ATLANTA, July 27-Vernon national welfare program. He which they do not qualify under E. Jordan Jr., executive direc- called for a credit income tax, the present system. tor of the National Urban "No means tests, no work which is a version of the neg- League and a member of the requirements, no coercive local ative income tax. He described Presidential clemency board, regulations or other stigmatiz- broke with the Ford Adminis- the tax as "& pro-work, pro- ing elements would be part of family, pro-dignity proposal tration today and urged total the system. Payments are au- for a humane, responsible so- amnesty for Vietnam veterans. tomatic, through the tax sys- ciety." Mr. Jordan's position was tem, and would be a matter of disclosed in remarks he had Under the proposal, all per- right." The present system, he prepared for delivery tonight sons would receive a basic said, takes more from the pock- in his keynote speech at the annual grant, or tax credit. ets of moderate income working 65th annual convention of the Persons above a certain in- people than it does from the league. come would lose the grant rich." The nine-member board was through taxation, and those be- Mr. Jordan also criticized the established by President Ford low a designated income would statistics released by the De- last September to review the keep all or part of the grant. partment of Labor on unem- cases of those already convict- "Families who are above the league had found a jobless rate ed or punished for military de- poverty level but below the of 15 per cent rather than the sertion or draft evasion. level at which the grant is 9 per cent reported by the Mr. Jordan said that he had taxed away would benefit be- Government, with 3 million- been troubled by the amnesty cause a portion of their grant blacks and 12 million whites position of the Administration would remain in their hands" out of work rather than the FOR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE PROGRAM STATION Empathy WWDC Radio DATE CITY August 7, 1975 8:00 PM Washineton, D.C. SUBJECT An Interview With Tim Maloney personnel amnesty FRED FISKE: Tim Maloney is outreach coordinator for the National Council of Churches Special Ministries of the Vietnam Generation Project. That's quite a title, it's a mouthful. TIM MALONEY: It really is a mouthful, right. FISKE: You can't get that on a calling card, can you? MALONEY: No. In fact, I don't have any calling cards. FISKE: What does it mean? MALONEY: Well, what it means is that the National Council of Churches, which represents 33 major denominations in this country five years ago set up an office for the Vietnam generation, an office to help veterans, an office to help men who evaded the draft. who went AWOL from the military, an office, really. to help all the victims of this tragic war that we had in Vietnam. And more recently, last August, when we learned that the President was about to proclaim some form of clemency or amnesty. we decided that we ought to set up a program, an information pro- gram to provide the facts on the President's program so that people could make their decision based on full knowledge. FISKE: Of course, the government was trying to disseminate that information the best they could, and not many people took 5.1.61 Smile advantage of the opportunity for amnesty. Now, if the government couldn't get the word across to them, what makes you think that you can? MALONEY: Well, we really didn't think there was much 2 opportunity in his program and we didn't feel it was an amnesty. In fact, it was a very punitive program. And it wasn't because people didn't know about his program. In fact, the more infor- mation we told people about his program, the more people said no to it. And SO what we did, aside from telling people about his program, the punitive terms of his program, what they could expect upon returning to the United States or emerging from underground; what they could expect, just in a nutshell, was to be treated to punishment. Amnesty comes from the word amnesia; it's a forgetting, it's not hit someone over the head, have them do 19 to 24 months of alternate service, that sort of thing -- we may wish to go into that further. But at any rate, his program certainly didn't meet the objectives that he himself set out, the objectives of healing some wounds and avoiding further recriminations and of trying to clear the slate. FISKE: Well, what are you doing aside from informing the people about the program? MALONEY: Well, his program ended March 31st. I personally don't believe it should have ever begun. I think that we would have seen something better had it not been put on the boards last September. What we do is we provide people with options. While the program was underway, we helped people clear their draft charges or get discharges without participting in his program. In other words, people were saying no to his program, and so we were saying, "Okay, that's fine. We'll help you without all this punitive service, with all this --- you know, without all those strings attached to it, we'll help you get a discharge." For example, in Canada 330 men participated in his program, and yet we helped over 600 men get discharges in Canada. We've had over 5000 contact our offices, and more than half of those men no longer face charges for the draft. What aids us in this whole program of helping people get their draft charges dismissed [unintelligible] someone who didn't make it into the military, like myself, who ripped up my induction notice, is that Senator Ted Kennedy supplied our office, the National Council of Churches in New York, with a very final list. of those men who are wanted for draft evasion. That list has 4,400 names on it. And yet during the Vietnam era, 192,000 men evaded the draft. FISKE: What's special about these 4000, that the 188 other thousand are not subject to prosecution and that these 4000 are? 3 MALONEY: As one U.S. attorney told me, "It's sort of the luck of the draw." What happened during this period of years is that when a man refused induction into the military. his case was referred to the Department of Justice for prosecution, and generally, the U.S. attorney literally threw up his arms in dis- gust with the local draft boards, because local draft boards, as we all are aware, were made up primarily of volunteers, the Selective Service law was very complex, and the net result was that they could not properly administer the law, and sometimes they even misused the draft law, misused it in a punitive way and negated men's procedural rights to such an extent that men who evaded the draft, when their cases were referred, the U.S. attorneys saw that the case did not have prosecutive merit, so he either had to drop the charge or the charges have been dropped over the years. The 4,400 that are left on there primarily are left on there because either a U.S. attorney did not have the inclination or the desire to really thoroughly review it, you know, spend time reading the file to see what errors would be in it, or he simply did not have the ability. And some U.S. -- for example, Senator Kennedy asked each U.S. attorney, through the Justice Department, to make a review of all the outstanding draft cases; 1800 charges have been dropped just since November. And yet we know that in 15 of the 90-some judicial districts in this country, 15 of the judícial districts never even took the dust off the files, and these were mainly in the South. And so, the list with 4,400 names on it has people on it who have the exact circumstances as mine. In other words, their charges should have been dropped. And what we've done to help get those names off that list is that we have set up and funded two offices, one in New York and one in Los Angeles, with lawyers who specialize in draft law, and they have approximately a 75% success rate in getting charges dismissed. And that doesn't even mean a man has to appear in court. We get the charges dis- missed while a man remains in exile or remains underground in the United States. FISKE: Where did you 20? You were a draft evader. Did you leave the country? MALONEY: Yes. In fact, Winnipeg is still my hope. I've lived there for the past seven years now. FISKE: Have you sought Canadian citizenship? HALONEY: I haven't. I seriously considered taking out Canadian citizenship. In fact, most of the men who are in Canada, that's their home now. I mean they crossed sort of a border of no return. It was a difficult decision. There wasn't room within the law in the United States to dissent. In other words, a person 4 oftentimes would feel he was a conscientious objector, and often- times draft boards would pride themselves on never giving out that status, and 30 there wasn't any room for him here, and 60 he had to make that difficult decision of crossing that border, feeling that he could never return. And so he started to put his roots down in Canada. And now that they've been there five, six, seven years -- and I've just spent three months traveling across Canada and I've worked with war resisters, helping them for the past six years in Canada. I've found that really that's home to them and that they really only want to be able to visit back in the U.S. The snag with Canadian citizenship is that even though a man's draft charges have been dropped, such as mine, in January. the Department of Justice sent a telegram to all U.S. attorneys, telling them, in effect, that, "Well, of those 1800 men you just had to drop charges on because you didn't really have a case against them, if you know that they've taken out Canadian citizen- ship, forward their names over to the Immigration Department so that we can bar them from the country," based on am old 1944 law they'd just taken the dust off of which says, in effect, "Any man who leaves the United States to avoid military training or service and subsequently becomes a foreign national, or a Canadian citizen, can be permanently barred." And so even Senator Kennedy feels this is illegal, the way they're applying this law. And what it means in practice is that I wouldn't be sitting here talking if I had Canadian citizen- ship. In fact, just within the last three weeks I tried crossing --- I did cross at Detroit through the tunnel from Windsor, and after they put my name through the computer, because they thought they had a live draft evader they could arrest and they found out they didn't, then they took me to another building to interrogate me about my citizenship. And we also know that within the last two weeks we've received 20 phone calls from parents, or sons who've talked to their parents, that the FBI is now making their regular house calls and this time asking the parents about their sons' citizenship. FISKE: Why did they put your name through the computer? I mean there are thousands and thousands of people who cross the Canadian border every week. They don't put all their names through the computer. Why'd they put yours through? MALONEY: They put mine through because I drive -- when I drive across, I'm driving a car with Manitoba license plates, and they usually ask, "What country are you a citizen of?" And when I say, "I'm a citizen of the United States," and they see the Manitoba license plates, they automatically look at me and assume that "Hey, he might be one of these draft evaders." That's when they become suspicious. Though, you know, chances are if you travel back and forth yourself between Canada and the United States, you would be subjected to a computer check. You might not 5 even be aware that it's happening, because oftentimes they put the entire passenger list of a plane through the computer. It's a very quick process FISKE: I've driven across the Canadian border several times, and it's been just a cursory inspection. A fellow will say, you know, "Where are you from?" and "How long are you going to stay?" Or, you know, "How long have you been out?" And that's about all. You know, it's a matter of a few seconds. MALONEY: Right. Well, there's usually never any trouble on the Canadian side. It's on the U.S. side where the computers are, and they can put your license plate --- just while you're standing in line, you know, in the matter of a minute or two, they can run your license plate number through and literally have your whole background and your whole history. And this is what makes it extremely difficult for men, who even if their charges are dropped and they have Canadian citizenship, from reentering the United States. FISKE: So, most of them are anxious to come back and see their parents. MALONEY: This is really why we've had 5000 phone calls, is the parents now are aging. You know, the draft evaders and deserters or whatever we want to call them aren't kids anymore. They're hitting 30. And the parents are also aging, and sometimes there's illness in, the family, sometimes it's just they want to be -- go to their kid sister's wedding or show off their -- you know, some have married Canadians. They want to show off their kids, and their parents can't travel to Canada because of dis- ability. And so they really want to be able to cross over the border. They really don't want to live here, because, you know FISKE: You say they really don't want to live here. I can't help but feeling that there must be a substantial number who would like to return home and live here. MALONEY: No, that's --- really, that's not the case. At least that's not what they verbalize, you know, that's not what they tell me. And I think it's understandable because we're looking at a group of men now that have lived in another country, you know, five, six, seven years. They have had and continue to have, even after the clemency program -- it probably heightened their bitter feelings toward this country, because now. you know, all Americans are saying, or basically they're saying, the war was wrong; it was a tragedy. And yet there's no amnesty. There's been 37 amnesties in American history. There's no amensty. And, you know, we have these immigration laws, and in every which way they're being kept out of the United States. And so they're bitter. 6 And they bitter toward this country. They have good jobs, by and large, in Canada. They have, you know, a Canadian wife or they have à mortgage on the home. They're just, you know -- these are people that are, for all practical purposes, are making it. And their friends now are in Canada. Really, all they have in the United States are family and a few relatives. And if they came back, another thing that they would trouble with is employment here in the United States. For example, even if someone participated in the President's clemency program, I understand that the state of Arizona four weeks ago passed legislation stating that no man, even though he has a clemency discharge -- and this was the great reward: after you served your 19 to 24 months of alternate service, you had a clemency discharge, which for life would mark you as one of those -- they passed a law saying a man with a clemency dis- charge or even a presidential pardon shall never have a state job in Arizona. And so there is still a great deal of bitterness amongst Americans. I'm sure that we may have a few callers tonight that will say that, I, you know, should be on a boat to China or should be shot or hung. At least I've had that reaction before. You know, this whole war evoked many emotional feelings. There were men that fought and served and died and were maimed, and, you know, it's tragic. I have the greatest amount of sympathy, and I think there should be a great amount of relief given on the part of the government toward them in terms of veterans benefits, in programs to help the men that did serve. But I also think there should be relief in terms of those who said no to parti- cipating. And to date, we've seen no substantive program. that will help. The clemency program, I think even in part by the Presi- dent's own admission, was a failure. FISKE: Give me just a moment here, Tim. * FISKE: At our Empathy microphones, Tim Maloney, who is outreach coordinator for the National Council of Churches Special Ministry for the Vietnam Generation Project. Now, what is your main purpose now? To let people know that you can be of help to them? MALONEY: Yes. My purpose is --- well, first, I started out in Canada and I wanted to let the men who are in exile that there wer services available for them not only to clarify their 7 legal status, but to - - you know, to find out that they're not wanted, because the majority aren't. That's the situation for the majority, they're just plainly not wanted, they're not on the wanted list. But also to help those with charges to get their charges dismissed. FISKE: We can't really describe them as being in exile, can we? MALONEY: Well, they're still in exile because they think they're wanted. You know, people who went across that border or who went underground in this country, for that matter, and there's lots right here. FISKE: More than in Canada. MALONEY: Yes, yes. And, you know, just assume they're wanted because they didn't report for induction, and plus all the men that deserted, the men who went AWOL. They still are wanted. We're trying to help those men get their charges dismissed and get discharges. And so, what I'm doing in my travels -- and, really, I just tried a couple U.S. cities on an experimental basis, and the response was overwhelming in terms of people phoning the National Council of Churches in New York to say, "Hey, am I on the wanted list?" or, "What can you do about getting my charges si FISKE: You've got it computerized? MALONEY: No, it's all by hand. We've got a list and it's broken down by states. And somebody -- you know, oftentimes the man himself, if he's underground in the U.S., you know, he's very reluc- tant to phone, for good reasons. You know, he's probably gotten a crooked neck looking over his shoulder to see if the FBI is behind him. And so a friend will phone or a relative will phone and they'll say, "Is John Smith on the list?" It only takes a minute or two, and we look on the list, and if we can't find the name on the list, we say, "No, the name is not on the list. Before emerging from the underground, however, please check with the U.S. attorney and with -- you know, to see if there's any outstanding investi- gations, indictments, and make sure there is not an arrest warrant, and see if you can get a copy of the dismissal of the indictment." In other words, we give them the procedures so that they're home free. FISKE: What you do --- in case you find that, for example, some of these people are wanted and there's a warrant for them, you advise them not to come? MALONEY: Well, certainly we advise them to lie low. FISKE: What's your legal position, doing that? 8 MALONEY: Well, we're probably on the fine line of FISKE: You're probably in violation of the law. MALONEY: Well, the National Council of Churches is a pretty big organization, and so if the Department of Justice wants to take it on, it will be a lot more difficult than taking on one poor draft evader they've run through the coals. But what we do, for example, if someone is wanted, even if it's through a third party, we send out a simple power of attorney form. We don't even need their address. You know, it could be a friend, and he gets it to them, and the evader or the man who went AWOL puts his John Henry on this power of attorney form, and that lets our lawyers, either our draft lawyers or our military lawyers, get a copy of his file, and to go through his file to find what procedural errors the draft board made in the induction process, so we can the charges dismissed, OT, in the case of the military, to find out if the military, you know, like lived up to its service contract: if he was erroneously inducted; if he applied for a conscientious objector status, was he treated properly? And then we advise him what options he has with respect to getting a discharge. And so, throughout this. whole works, we've just helped, you know, thousands' of people, and it's been a very successful program, and it's unfortunate that it ends at the end of December. The funding, the church funding -- there's not that much there. FISKE: How many people have you dealt with? MALONEY: Over 5000, which is a pretty hefty FISKE: A lot of these fellows are gun-shy, right? I mean they're reluctant to come forward even though you assure them that you can be of help to them? MALONEY: That is true, and, you know, it's still under- standable, because WOW -- you know, I talked to a man, for example, a black draft evader who spent nine years, since 1966 to the present time, living with an assumed name in the black community, frightened on a daily basis, having trouble with employment and whatnot. He phoned our office in New York and found out that he was not on the wanted list. You know, he FISKE: And the chances are overwhelming that this is it. I mean what's the proportion of 4000 as against 188,000? MALCNEY: Right. So the chances are 8 person is not on that wanted list. And, you know, they won't even take -- and I don't blame them. If someone told me after I was living in exile or living underground -- I made one simple phone call and they said, 9 "Hey, you know, you're not wanted," I wouldn't believe it. And so that's why we tell them how to get the written proof. FISKE: After you refused induction, did you leave the country immediatley? MALONEY: In fact, I left before I received my orders to report for soldiering. FISKE: You're from Wisconsin. MALONEY: From Wisconsin, and I was just completing my undergraduate work in 1968. FISKE: In what? MALONEY: It was in psychology at that time. And they were doing away with graduate school deferments. You know, I never even wanted to go to college to start with. In fact, I came to Washington, D.C. when I was 18 and worked for a while here until they gave me my first order to report for a physical in '64. So then I quickly went -- I quickly went to college. And it was in 1968 that they were doing away with graduate school deferments, and I thought, "Well, I'll go to one of these physicals. I'll see if I can beat it.", I've got a little tremor, and I know if I take some No-doz and lots of coffee and don't sleep too well that I'll probably have a good chance. I got to the end of the line; they were stamping everybody approved, and I said, "What about my shakes?" And three doctors examined me, and they couldn't make up their minds whether they wanted me or not. One said no, one said yes, one said he didn't know. So they said, "You'll have to come back for another physical." And so they said that would be in a week or two, and time passed that summer of '68, and they never called me back. And so finally, I was just at the point of utter disgust with the whole Selective Service system; I saw how corrupt or sloppy or whatever -- you know, each draft board varied in terms of its kind of responsi- bility, in terms of how it followed the law. But in my case, my draft board never gave out conscientious objector status, even though I'm not a conscientious objector. But I did say to them, I said, "Look, I'll be in the military, but let me be a social worker. You know, let me finish my graduate school in social work so that I can be a social worker. " They said, "No. We want to draft you, 11 you know, "now. We don't want to give you a deferment." So at that point I just left. I went to Winnipeg and enrolled in graduate school there and completed that. But while I was in graduate school, that same -- just in December of '68 was 10 when they gave me my notice to say, "Hey, come back for a physical." But this time they were going to confine me because they were aware that people were popping pills and things to, you know, whatever conditions that might get them out of the military. So, I said no to the physical, and subsequently I was punitively inducted. They speeded up the induction. And as a result, I no longer could reenter the U.S. And finally in April of 1970, I got a letter, very surprisingly, that my charges were dropped. FISKE: Did they say why? MALONEY: They never said why. They just said, "Ac our meeting last night, we dropped the charges of failing to report for a physical and failing to report for induction." And, you know, I didn't even believe it for about four months. Finally, I, you know, with a great amount of fear, crossed the border to visit my folks in Wisconsin. FISKE: And if you didn't believe it, you can understand why so many don't. MALONEY: That's for sure. And so, that's the problem we've got, is trying to get the message across. FISKE: Since you've referred to the tremor that you have, I noticed it when you came in. What is it due to? MALONEY: It's hereditary. You know, it's a neurological tremor. FISKE: I would, you know, would have thought that that would have excused you from military service. MALONEY: Well, back in 1968, they were taking people with things worse than a slight case of the shakes, you know. At the end of this line where people were going through, they we = just stamping people. It was like a machine the way they were stamping people approved for military service. And, you know, I'm sure there were lots of people who ended up being drafted who shouldn't have been for physical reasons. FISKE: I want to pause here to * CALLER: This is a nice little topic that I've answered some questions to before. Back in September of last year I was in the Vetrans Administration Hospital here in Washington having my knee joint taken out as a result of a service-connected dis- ability. I was asked the question as to whether I thought draft 11 dodgers that had evicted the country, that had gone to country, should be allowed back into the country, into the States. And my answer to that question was "Yes, but they should not receive any type of judicial punishment of any kind, but they should be obligated still to their country, from what they ran out on, a minimum of two years of military service." Now, as the President was putting it at that time, back in September of last year, he was saying, "Well, if they give two years of service to the government." Now, that could be in the laundry, working in the laundry section at a hospital, a government hospital. I don't classify that as being service. What I had answered to was two years of military service, not the Peace Corps, not the Coast Guard, but a branch of the service, such as the Army, Navy, Marines or Air Force. And I still hold that true. I still hold that very true in my own heart. And I'd like to find out what your guest feels about that. MALONEY: Well, I feel that men would say no to that, and I'm sure the military as well would say no. The military really doesn't want a bunch of 30-year-olds who were disgruntled with the militarism, the war and whatnot in it. I'm sure that if you contacted people in the military, they would say, "No. We don't want them back in here. " They just flatly would say no. CALLER: No, I wouldn't -- let me say this: I would not --- if I was in a combat situation, I would not want a man beside me that had run out once before already. I wouldn't put him in a combat situation at all. I wouldn't jeopardize the lives of all the other men there. But what I would do is put him in a position and put him in a duty in the States for those two years of service that he would be obligated to perform. MALONEY: I guess what I'm saying, sir, is that this alternate service or military service for the country, whatever you want to call it, is a punitive measure. It is CALLER: I wouldn't call it an alternate service. 1 would consider it an obligated service. MALONEY: Okay. Then, if it's an obligated service, it still makes for a punitive program. And I'm just saying that the men would say categorically, as they did to President Ford's pro- gram, for the most part, no. CALLER: You would call it a punitive program. MALONEY: Well, what would you call it if you're obli- gated to perform a service? 12 CALLER: Do you call the draft a punitive service or a punitive program? Because the draft, not the lottery, but a draft existed for quite a number of years. MALONEY: And the draft was so sloppy and so misused, that that's why only 4000 CALLER: That doesn't answer my question. Would you classify that as a punitive program? MALONEY: I would say it's an unnecessary one. CALLER: That still doesn't answer my question. My question was: Would you call that a punitive program? I don't care whether it was performed properly or not. I want to know if it was, in your eyes, a punitive program. MALONEY: For me it was punitive. CALLER: That's unreal. MALONEY: It's not unreal. I'm just saying. CALLER: I was not drafted. I enlisted on my own -- under my own volition. MALONEY: Maybe you misunderstood. I said it was punitive for me, in the sense that I was willing to serve in the military, but, you know, I wanted to serve in a way that I could help others. I wanted to serve as a social worker. There was no room within the draft system to allow me to that. So, in effect CALLER: As a social worker so that you wouldn't be under à situation of combat, right? MALONEY: Well, I didn't feel like killing people, sir, not in a war that for me was CALLER: Oh, listen. I didn't feel like killing people either. MALONEY: What did you do? CALLER: I was in Vietnam for five-and-a-half months and I got my right leg messed up MALONEY: You have my deepest sympathy for that. CALLER: But that still -- okay, there was a speaker on before, that Dr. [unintelligible] from China speaking about China. I didn't know exactly how to interpret what he was saying, I didn't know whether to interpret that as, "Hey, you know, our 13 country is that much greater because of" -- or, "I understand the greatness of our country because I'm hearing more about how the Communistic setup works," how their regime works, let's say. I didn't know whether to think that or to think that it was half propaganda. But at any rate, the situation that we're in as far as freedom is concerned is only protected. It's not a privilege. It's not a privilege in any way. It's something that has to be earned and something that has to be kept by fighting for it. MALONEY: I'm sure, sir, if Vietnam was a just war, was a war that seriously threatened this country, you'd have seen many of the men not resist, but go to the fore to sign up, just as we did in the Second World War. CALLER: Indirectly, it did affect this country. It was indirectly MALONEY: Yeah, it sure really affected it. It tore the country right apart. CALLER: a threat to this country because if every little country, such as South Vietnam, is overtaken by the Com- munist regime, again, it's going to be that much harder for the United States and every other free country to maintain their con- tinuity of freedom, that much harder, because there's going to be that much more threat against them. Now, the way they fought the war, I didn't agree with, I didn't agree with at all, the way they fought it. The reason I do go along with, I do understand, and I do condone, completely condone --- it's a matter of freedom. It's a matter of freedom for the South Vietnamese. It's a matter of freedom for every free person in the world right now, and it's a matter of keeping that freedom. It's something that is not just given to you on a silver platter, saying "Here, it's yours. Keep it. You know, if you want to give it away, you know, so what." I don't feel that it's that way. When I want to get up on Sunday morning and I want to 20 to church, I don't want it to be a direct order. I don't want it to be a situation where I have to wait for a command. When I want to go to the grocery store and buy two gallons of milk instead of one, I want it to be a right of freedom. I don't want it to be having to go to a magistrate of some kind and ask him for the permission to do such. I don't want it to be that way. And I am lame now, or so I'm told. I have a fused right leg. My right knee is stiff. But if it were the situation where I had to fight for my freedom today, or ten years from now or twenty years from now, you better believe I'd do it. You had 14 better believe I'd do it, because that's something that I earned, I and my forefathers earned, and I am appreciating it. FISKE: Okay. Do you want to say anything else, Tim? MALONEY: I'd fight for my freedom, too. I just didn't feel that Vietnam was the place. FISKE: Okay. Listen, thank you very much