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The original documents are located in Box 2, folder: "NSC Meeting, 1/13/1976" of the National Security Adviser's NSC Meeting File at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Copyright Notice The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) governs the making of photocopies or other reproductions of copyrighted material. Frank Zarb donated to the United States of America his copyrights in all of his unpublished writings in National Archives collections. Works prepared by U.S. Government employees as part of their official duties are in the public domain. The copyrights to materials written by other individuals or organizations are presumed to remain with them. If you think any of the information displayed in the PDF is subject to a valid copyright claim, please contact the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Digitized from Box 2 of the National Security Adviser's NSC Meeting File at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet WITHDRAWAL ID 09206 REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL National security restriction TYPE OF MATERIAL Agenda CREATOR'S NAME Brent Scowcroft RECEIVER'S NAME President Ford TITLE Meeting of the NSC - Middle East, 1/13/76 CREATION DATE 01/13/1976 VOLUME 4 pages COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID 031200027 COLLECTION TITLE National Security Adviser. National Security Council Meetings File BOX NUMBER 2 FOLDER TITLE NSC Meeting, 1/13/76 DATE WITHDRAWN 02/26/1998 WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST LET OK writt NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet WITHDRAWAL ID 09207 REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL National security restriction TYPE OF MATERIAL Minute CREATOR'S NAME Robert Oakley RECEIVER'S NAME Brent Scowcroft TITLE Minutes, NSC Meeting, Part I of II, 1/13/76 CREATION DATE 01/13/1976 VOLUME 21 pages COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID 031200027 COLLECTION TITLE National Security Adviser. National Security Council Meetings File BOX NUMBER 2 FOLDER TITLE NSC Meeting, 1/13/76 DATE WITHDRAWN 02/26/1998 WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST LET EXEMPTED 10/16/00 A NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet WITHDRAWAL ID 09208 REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL National security restriction TYPE OF MATERIAL Briefing Paper CREATOR'S NAME George Bush RECEIVER'S NAME President Ford TITLE DCI Briefing for 13 January NSC Meeting - Israeli Military Requests CREATION DATE 01/13/1976 VOLUME 19 pages COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID 031200027 COLLECTION TITLE National Security Adviser. National Security Council Meetings File BOX NUMBER 2 FOLDER TITLE NSC Meeting, 1/13/76 DATE WITHDRAWN 02/26/1998 WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST LET B 68 NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet WITHDRAWAL ID 09209 REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL National security restriction TYPE OF MATERIAL Chart RECEIVER'S NAME President Ford TITLE Israel Fund Position FY76-80 CREATION DATE 01/1976? VOLUME 2 pages COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID 031200027 COLLECTION TITLE National Security Adviser. National Security Council Meetings File BOX NUMBER 2 FOLDER TITLE NSC Meeting, 1/13/76 DATE WITHDRAWN 02/26/1998 WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST LET C NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet WITHDRAWAL ID 09210 REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL National security restriction TYPE OF MATERIAL List RECEIVER'S NAME President Ford TITLE High Priority Items Requested by Israel (September 1975) CREATION DATE 01/02/1976 VOLUME 3 pages COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID 031200027 COLLECTION TITLE National Security Adviser. National Security Council Meetings File BOX NUMBER 2 FOLDER TITLE NSC Meeting, 1/13/76 DATE WITHDRAWN 02/26/1998 WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST LET m NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet WITHDRAWAL ID 09211 REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL National security restriction TYPE OF MATERIAL Chart RECEIVER'S NAME President Ford TITLE Comparison if Illustrative Israeli Funding Requirements and Availability CREATION DATE 01/1976 VOLUME 2 pages COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID 031200027 COLLECTION TITLE National Security Adviser. National Security Council Meetings File BOX NUMBER 2 FOLDER TITLE NSC Meeting, 1/13/76 DATE WITHDRAWN 02/26/1998 WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST LET File DOC RECD LOG NBR INITIAL ACTION O NSC CORRESPONDENCE PROFILE MO DA MO DA HR 23 i 2318 76003438 COLBY, KISSINGER, Cabley W REFERENCE: CIRCLE AS APPROPRIATE TO: PRES FROM: S/S UNCLAS LOG IN/OUT SOURCE/CLASS/DESCRIPTION KISSINGER OTHER LOU NO FORN X NODIS SCOWCROFT SCHLESINGER, J C EYES ONLY EXDIS DAVIS ST EX SEC $ CODEWORD TS SENSITIVE SUBJECT: Minutes of NSC mtg of Jon 13 1976 re USSR / angola / Grall & d nulitary assistance Part I - LA INTERNAL ROUTING AND DISTRIBUTION REC ACTION REQUIRED ACTION INFO. CY ADVANCE CYS TO HAK/SCOWCROFT FOR MEMO FOR HAK ( ) STAFF SECRETARY MEMO FOR PRES ( ) REPLY FOR FAR EAST ( ) SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA APPROPRIATE ACTION ( ) DISTRIBUTION/INITIAL ACTION ASGMT MID EAST / NO. AFRICA / SO. 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( ) SCIENTIFIC CONCURRENCE ( ) PROGRAM ANALYSIS DUE DATE: NSC PLANNING COMMENTS: (INCLUDING SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS) CONGRESSIONAL OCEANS POLICY INTELLIGENCE DATE FROM TO S SUBSEQUENT ACTION REQUIRED (OR TAKEN): CY TO 1/23 Scroft CIX 1/28 NSets Secharft Info appound minutes SUBSEQUENT ROUTING/ACTIONS DISPATCH CY RQMTS: SEE ABOVE PLUS: MICROFILM & FILE RQMTS: NSC/S DISP INSTR NOTIFY & DATE BY M/F'D BY SPECIAL DISPOSITION: ORIGINAL RETIRED FOR PRESERVATION CRT ID: SF CROSS REF W/ OPEN FOLDER: BERALD HP NS SUSPENSE CY ATTACHED: CLOSE WH EP DY ( NSC 75-22 575-600 343X NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL WASHINGTON, D.C. 20506 TOP SECRET / SENSITIVE XGDS MINUTES NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL MEETING PART II of II DATE: Tuesday, January 13, 1976 TIME: 12:00 p.m. to 12:30 p.m. PLACE: Cabinet Room, White House SUBJECT: SALT Principals The President Secretary of State Henry A. Kissinger Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General George S. Brown Director of Central Intelligence William Colby Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Brent Scowcroft Other Attendees White House: Mr. Richard Cheney, Assistant to the President Mr. William G. Hyland, Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs State: Mr. Helmut Sonnenfeldt Defense: Deputy Secretary William Clements LISBARY GERALD ? FORD Dr. James P. Wade, Jr. NSC Staff: Colonel Richard T. Boverie NOTE: The following are minutes of that portion of the NSC meeting which addressed SALT. The NSC meeting had been convened at 10:00 a. m. principally to discuss an Israeli military request. The SALT portion followed the discussion of the Israeli request. DECLASSIFIED TOP SECRET / SENSITIVE XGDS (B) (3) 20. 12.556, Sec. 3.4. Classified by Brent Scowcroft MR 93-45, #1 NSC itr. 11/3/93 KBH Date 2/7/94 ORIGINAL RETIRED FOR PRESERVATION TOP SECRET / SENSITIVE XGDS 2 President Ford: I would like to discuss the negotiating strategy to follow for SALT. If there is a decision for Henry to go to Moscow, he will first talk to Dobrynin, then leave for the Soviet Union the night of the 19th, after my State of the Union address. At this moment -- this is still related to Angola I would like Henry to go to Moscow. Henry will probably have his initial meeting with Dobrynin within the next 48 hours. Secretary Kissinger: I will meet with Dobrynin as soon after a decision as possible. President Ford: Two issues were highlighted by the charts used at the last NSC meeting: Backfire, and surface ship SLCMs. Option IV counts the Backfire in the aggregate level of 2400. The option doesn't include surface ships with SLCMs as such. It seems to me -- and I have made the decision myself that we need an option which is a little different from IV and III. At my request, Brent came up with a paper on a new option. Secretary Kissinger should utilize it in his initial discussions. This new option has the following features: With respect to Backfire, for the period between now and the expiration of the Interim Agreement on October 3, 1977, the number of Backfires produced would not be counted. Therefore, the Soviets would have 100 to 120 Backfires on hand which would not be counted. Second, subsequent to October 3, 1977, all Backfires produced would be counted under the 2400 ceiling. This gives the Soviets the option to continue production of Backfire. If they do continue Backfire production, they would then have to eliminate some of their other missiles or Bisons or other systems. The other part of the proposal Henry is to submit to the Soviets involves surface ships with SLCMs. SLCMs with greater than 600 kilometer range on surface ships would be counted the same as ALCMs on heavy bombers. They would count in the 1320 MIRV limit. General Brown: The ships count? Secretary Kissinger: That's right. The ships count as MIRVs. TOP SECRET / SENSITIVE XGDS GERALD % FORD TOP SECRET/SENSITIVE XGDS 3 President Ford: This is a good starting position. Henry said that Option IV was not a good way to start. This is not Option IV but a variant of Option IV. We do not know what the reaction will be but we will find out. On the assumption that it is not negotiable, we would thengo to Option III. My feeling, if we do not get Option III, is that we should explore Option I as a last alternative. This approach preserves our flexibility, and gives us our military capa- bility. I would like George's observations -- now or later if you want to think it over. General Brown: My general and immediate reaction is that the number of Backfires excluded is not troublesome. This can be rationalized as an offset against the FB-111. What's new is counting bombers and surface ships in the MIRV limit. The Chiefs have agreed with counting bombers with ALCMs in the MIRV limit, but have not addressed including surface ships. My personal reaction is that this is a reasonable thing and I will try to be persuasive with the Chiefs. President Ford: I believe this approach is a reasonable position, but the bind is, if the Soviets turn it down, we go to Option III which has a diametrically opposed position on surface ships with SLCMs. General Brown: The treatment of surface ships in Option III is not as much a problem as the treatment of Backfire. Not counting the Backfire will be seen as breaking through the ceiling established at Vladivostok. This is something the guy in the street understands. However, by having raised Option IV, or a variation of Option IV as you have suggested, it will not be as difficult to stand behind Option III if we eventually wind up with that Option. If we did not try Option IV, or a variant of Option IV, at the beginning, it would be bad. I can rationalize in my own mind offsetting the 120 Backfires with the FB-111s. President Ford: This approach is similar to that which was developed by Secretary Kissinger and Secretary Schlesinger. General Brown: But it goes beyond that approach. TOP SECRET/SENSITIVE XGDS TOP SECRET / SENSITIVE XGDS 4 Secretary Kissinger: I would be delighted if they accept this variant but I don't believe they will. We will give it to them as soon as possible and they will have a week to study it. But even if they turn it down, we can in good conscience say that we tried, that we did not engage in preemptive concessions. As to Option III, we talk as though it will be easy to get; that is not all that clear. Option III puts constraints on them. We will have to wait and see. I have two other issues I would like to address; these concern the debate on violations. Secretary Rumsfeld: We are not leaving the subject, are we? Secretary Kissinger: On this subject, we cannot go to Moscow unless everybody stands behind me. We cannot afford to have individuals expressing "private doubts. " We should present everything as a united front. I have serious reservations about going under these conditions. If I could not go, we could present Option IV at Geneva. However, there are some arguments for my going. Brezhnev may be willing to do certain things before the Congress that he wouldn't be willing to do afterwards. Brezhnev can't afford a failure of this negotiation and also Angola at the same time. If we cancel the trip because of Angola, Congressional critics will say we are jeopardizing SALT because of Angola. Therefore, there is a slight balance in favor of my going to Moscow. President Ford: Don, would you like to say something? Secretary Rumsfeld: I would like a little time to look this over a day or so -- and then get back to you, rather than immediately comment on the approach. President Ford: Brent can give you a copy of the paper. Brent Scowcroft: I have given a copy to Don. TOP SECRET / SENSITIVE XGDS GERALD R. FORD TOP SECREF/SENSITIVE XGDS 5 Secretary Rumsfeld: I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Secretary Kissinger: The announcement of my trip to Moscow is set for tomorrow. We can't postpone the announcement, Secretary Rumsfeld: I haven't read the paper yet and I want to study it before I comment. I am not embarrassed to say that. Secretary Kissinger: The announcement of my trip is set for tomorrow. Secretary Rumsfeld: But you had publicly stated that you didn't want to go to Moscow until we had our position settled. You are pre- judging the decision. President Ford: Don, why don't you work with George (Brown) and Bill (Colby) on your view of the approach. This is the right thing to do, and I want you to do it. As I have studied the options, this variant is no major shift from Option IV in original terms. If you can come back tonight, we can look at this and Angola at the same time, so we will know better where we stand on Angola and SALT. Director Colby: I take a little question on Henry's point. Brezhnev will not be under great pressure to give in to us -- if anything it will be just the opposite. There is an incentive to him to be a good strong leader to his "apparatchiks" before the Party Congress. A little toughening occurs before the Party Congress. Secretary Kissinger: Except he has been pressuring for this trip. For the trip to fail would not be an easy decision for him. Mr. Hyland: As was shown in the case of the ABM Treaty, the effect of the Party Congress is to wrap something up to have to present to the Congress. The toughest situation would be one in which he would have no program to explain. Mr. Sonnenfeldt: This is important to Brezhnev since time is running out. President Ford: There is the health factor. Don, I would like it if you would let me have your paper by 6:00 tonight giving me your thoughts and reactions. I also want to talk with you and Henry about Angola. TOP SECRET/SENSITIVE XGDS