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    "ocrText": "File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library\nMEMORANDUM\nTHE WHITE HOUSE\nWASHINGTON\nSEGRET/NODIS\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12058 SEC.3.6\n06-03 #2 State Rev 3/9/04\nDOD Ltr 10/3/06\nMEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION\nBY in NARA DATE 5/11/07\nPARTICIPANTS:\nYitzhak Rabin, Prime Minister of Israel\nAmbassador Simcha Dinitz, Ambassador to the U.S.\nPresident Gerald R. Ford\nDr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and\nAssistant to the President for National Security\nAffairs\nLt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant to\nthe President for National Security Affairs\nDATE AND TIME:\nFriday, September 13, 1974\n12:15 p.m.\nPLACE:\nThe Oval Office\nThe White House\nRabin: I want to give you a letter from those people who have relatives in\nthe Soviet Union. I was asked to do this.\nPresident: We are working hard and are making headway.\nRabin: Presidents Taft and Teddy Roosevelt visited Tsarist Russia about\nthe stories about discrimination there.\nPresident: I notice here the Zalmonson case. She has been released.\nWe would like help on the Trade Bill.\nRabin: I had a meeting with the Senators. I kept out of it, and said we\ncouldn't speak to the trade bill.\nFORD\nSECRET/NODIS\nR\nGERALD\nLIBRARY\nTOP SECRET XGDS (3)\nCLASSIFIED BY: HENRY A. KISSINGER\nSECRET/NODIS\n2\nKissinger: The Soviet Union won't accept a positive renewal each year.\nPresident: If Dinitz could help. We want a bill.\nRabin: Jackson and Javits said they were on the verge of agreement.\nPresident: Not exactly. We need some help.\nI understand that you and Secretary Kissinger have discussed the\n[mili tary aid] list I proposed. It is because I feel so strongly about your\nsecurity that I have your higher items of priority here and the money\nwanted. It is a reflection of my attitude.\nRabin: We all appreciate the time you have taken. Without your decision\nwe wouldn't have gotten this. There were certain other items\nPresident: Henry is going to check it out. We will do what we can.\nRabin: We didn't stress the F-4's, the big difficult items. It is mostly\nammunition and other general equipment. We face very sophisticated\nsystems much more than in Vietnam. We think we need your advanced\ntechnology to offset the advanced technology of the Soviet Union, which is\ngoing to our neighbors.\nPresident: There is the laser item which you consider high-priority.\nOne item caught my eye -- 50 additional tanks. I will make that without\nfurther reference. We will check out the report.\nRabin: It is difficult to find the right words to express our need for the\nright weapons to defend ourselves.\nDinitz: We really appreciate it. We have been working for years on this.\nPresident: We think it is essential that we affirm progress with respect\nboth to Egypt and Jordan.\nRabin: We are ready to enter every effort to move toward a political\nsettlement, which would not be just a military settlement but a step\ntoward peace. We are ready -- vis-a-vis Egypt or Jordan. We prefer\nEgypt. The difference between Egypt and Jordan is we haven't found a\nbasis with Jordan on which we can move. I believe the preferred move\nFORD\n&\nSEGRET/NODIS\nGERALD\nLIBRARY\nSECRET/NODIS\n3\nis with Egypt. Egypt is the Arab leader and it is good to go there first.\nBut Egypt can't be alone, and we understand it would be immediately\nfollowed by Jordan. What we seek from them is non-belligerency,\ndemilitarization, and time to change the infrastructure, so we can defend\non the new line.\nKissinger: I don't think non-belligerency is attainable. But you can ask\nfor it.\nPresident: Kissinger will be there from about October 8-14. If he could\nget something.\nRabin: We will do our best to work with Secretary Kissinger.\nPresident: Can I have a good strong commitment that you will work with\nhim? We both have a strong interest to keep the momentum going.\nRabin: We will do our best to move at that time.\nI understand the issue of the final borders won't be discussed.\nKissinger: We have not discussed final borders at all [with the Arabs].\nThey have not raised it. And we haven't. We have discussed interim\nsteps, but neither I nor the President have talked final steps. At the\ntime of the Syrian disengagement, I said we would not push Israel off the\nGolan.\nPresident: I reaffirm that commitment.\nRabin: Thank you very much. I commanded at the Golan for three years;\nit was an intolerable situation.\nKissinger: For us to keep this process going, we need some ambiguity,\nyou know. We take the position that it is unrealistic to discuss final borders.\nIf Israel could avoid saying what they will never do with the Syrians, we\nwould be better off.\nRabin: I never mentioned a line, just that we wouldn't leave.\nKissinger: Even that.\nFORD\na\nSEGRET/NODIS\nGERALD\nLIBRARY\nSEGRET /NODIS\n4\nPresident: My feeling is we have made progress, and I appreciate the\nopportunity to meet with you. It has been fruitful.\nRabin: Thank you. We appreciate it and know that without you we\nwouldn't have gotten this decision.\nKissinger: What do we say to the press? The less said about quantities\nthe better.\nDinitz: We can just say the principle of our ongoing relationship has been\nreaffirmed.\nKissinger: The ongoing relationship was reaffirmed.\nDinitz: In a concrete way.\nKissinger: It was continued with concrete decisions.\nPresident: The ongoing relationship was reaffirmed with concrete results\nSECRET/NODIS\nGERALD A FORD LIBRARY\n2\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nPresidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet\nWITHDRAWAL ID 017660\nREASON FOR WITHDRAWAL\n....\nNational security restriction\nTYPE OF MATERIAL\nNote\nDESCRIPTION\nScowcroft's notes from September 13,\n1974 meeting with Rabin, Ford, and\nKissinger\nCREATION DATE\n09/13/1974\nVOLUME\n3 pages\nCOLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID\n031400225\nCOLLECTION TITLE\nNational Security Adviser. Memoranda of\nConversations\nBOX NUMBER\n5\nFOLDER TITLE\nSeptember 13, 1974 - Ford, Kissinger,\nIsraeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin\nDATE WITHDRAWN\n03/31/2004\nWITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST\nGG"
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