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    "ocrText": "File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nPresidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet\nWITHDRAWAL ID 017930\nREASON FOR WITHDRAWAL\nNational security restriction\nTYPE OF MATERIAL\nMemorandum of Conversation\nTITLE\nFord, Kissinger\nCREATION DATE\n01/17/1975\nVOLUME\n2 pages\nCOLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID\n031400351\nCOLLECTION TITLE\nNational Security Adviser. Memoranda of\nConversations\nBOX NUMBER\n8\nFOLDER TITLE\nJanuary 17, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger\nDATE WITHDRAWN\n05/25/2004\nWITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST\nGG\nSantizal 6/12/08\n9/14/10\nC05577947\n14\nMEMORANDUM\nTHE WHITE HOUSE\nWASHINGTON\nDECLASSIFIED w/ portions exempted\nSECRET/NODIS/XGDS\nE.O.\n10-112; #4 CIA etr 9/14/10\nstate 3/10/04 RAC/0505/24/06;\nBy dal NARA, Date 12/16/10\n,\nMEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION\nPARTICIPANTS:\nPresident Ford\nDr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State\nand Assistant to the President for\nNational Security Affairs\nLt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant\nto the President for National Security Affairs\nDATE AND TIME:\nFriday, January 17, 1975\n9:35 - 10:30 a. m.\nPLACE:\nThe Oval Office\nKissinger: I think we have to sell a little more the purpose of your\nprogram. More conceptual.\nThe President: I am talking at 11:00 to the Cabinet; to Governors and\nMayors at 2:00; and I'm having lunch with Sulzberger.\nNow the Democrats are dragging their feet. They're thinking of\nbarring the import restrictions. If they are going to be negative, I think\nwe will be in good shape because we have a tough positive program.\nKissinger: Colby has laid out all the CIA\n[He read from the report. ]\nThe President: Has Helms testified before Rockefeller ?\nFORD\nKissinger: Yes.\nGERALD LIBRARY\nThe President: How did he do?\nKissinger: He was very aggressive. But now every businessman,\nprofessor, and American company will be suspect abroad. The morale\nof the CIA must be terrible.\nCLASSIFIED BY\nHenry A. Kissinger\nEXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION\nSCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652\nSECRET/NODIS/XGDS\nEXEMPTION CATEGORY 5(b)(3)\nAUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp. to Det.\nC05577947\nSEGRET/NODIS/XGDS\n2\nI get the impression from Dobrynin that they are anxious to\nkeep detente on course. I said I could send Robinson to Moscow to\ntalk about what we could do at the summit to present to the Congress.\nI said, why couldn't we agree on a small MBFR cut for the summit?\nHe said, why couldn't we cancel Trident and they would cancel somthing\nI said not the Trident but to propose something else.\nHe said they fear the U.S. is too weak to do business with.\nBrezhnev is having a Party Congress this spring. If we have more set-\nbacks by thenk it will really be bad. I said we were in better shape\nyou now had your house in order, you were tough, and you now had a\nVice President. I told him to keep up the press pressure for a while.\nOn the Middle East, they have given up on Egypt. They now are\nworried about Syria. When I think what we could do if Israel would\ncooperate\nMaybe we need a letter to Brezhnev on the Middle East.\nAll in all, it was a very encouraging talk. He said their decision\nto open up Siberia was a major one.\nOn Allon, I told him they had to move there was no choice.\nHis problem is how to present it in Israel 50 it does not look like surrender.\nHe said it would help if we could reconfirm what we have already\npromised. I think we can we'll deliver what we promised by April 1,\nand let Schlesinger discuss MATMON-B, but in a dilatory way. I urge\nyou to be a little warmer personally than I had recommended, but be\nvery tough on substance. One has to wonder if modern democracies\ncan survive. They can't make tough decisions without being demagogued\nto death -- unless something like the Soviet trade bill happens.\nI am keeping Allon here so he can't be there on Sunday so we\nhave a week without leaks.\nGeneral Scowcroft: [Harsch and Thimmesch articles.]\nKissinger: The new Congressmen were sweet as pie yesterday, not at\nall belligerent.\nFORD\na\nGERALD\nLIORARY\nSECRET/NODIS/XGDS\n2\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nPresidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet\nWITHDRAWAL ID 017931\nREASON FOR WITHDRAWAL\nNational security restriction\nTYPE OF MATERIAL\nNote\nDESCRIPTION\nBrent Scowcroft's handwritten notes\nfrom meeting with Ford, Kissinger\nCREATION DATE\n01/17/1975\nVOLUME\n2 pages\nCOLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID\n031400351\nCOLLECTION TITLE\nNational Security Adviser. Memoranda of\nConversations\nBOX NUMBER\n8\nFOLDER TITLE\nJanuary 17, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger\nDATE WITHDRAWN\n05/25/2004\nWITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST\nGG"
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