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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
WASHINGTON
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
and Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE & TIME:
Saturday, January 18, 1975
9:32 - 10:26 a.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
Kissinger: Callaghan is a big blustering Irishman. He arranged all this
Turkish evacuation by himself and screwed it up.
Denktash and Clerides had a good meeting yesterday. Denktash agreed
to take back 10, 000 Greek refugees. But if communal trouble breaks
out now, the Turks will use troops.
One of the changes we have noticed is that the Communist parties in
Europe are beginning anti-Americanism for the first time in years. The
Europeans are miserable cases. The press is gloating over the failure
of Soviet MFN. They go just the opposite to us on the Soviets. They are
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basically corrupt societies.
President: I read that Genscher may be thrown out and his successor
may shift to the CDU.
NARA, DATE 5/11/04
Kissinger: It's a distinct possibility. The basic problem came when
the Grand Coalition was formed -- freezing out the Free Democrats.
E.O. 12958, SEC. 3.6
The Coalition drove the Free Democrats away from the CDU and made
the SPD respectable. Still, the only way the SPD won is because there
was a right-wing party in the elections. Schmidt is making the SPD look
better than it is.
CLASSIFIED BY Henry A. Kissinger
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
GERALD
SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY
5 (b) (3)
AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ONImp. to Det.
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President: Certainly better than Brandt.
Kissinger: Brandt ruined it. Schmidt is in the SPD only by chance. The
left wing of the SPD is a seedy lot. Wehner is a brilliant man, but a
devious, dangerous man.
President: I never heard of him.
Kissinger: He stays in the background, but he controls the party. He
was a Communist until 1945. I know him very well -- he may still be one.
The Free Democrats' decision will depend on the spring election in
Rhineland-Westphalia. The CDU leadership -- except Strauss -- is
not very good.
Have you looked at the Panama paper?
President: I wanted a little more information on the details. But it
seems to me the sooner we move the better.
Kissinger: I agree. Otherwise it's our colonial problem.
The key decision is the length of the treaty.
President: The only thought I had is, if we settled Cyprus and had an
agreement on SALT II
Kissinger: I notice Jackson is not in a hurry to start the Vladivostok
hearings.
President: There was a good article on the Kennedy/Mondale resolution.
I think things are settling down.
Kissinger: I have two personnel problems. Kintner. He has a drinking
problem and has been weak, not tough.
President: If you think he should be replaced, go ahead.
Kissinger: Charlie Whitehouse should be a good replacement. He is a
first-class guy. One other opening -- Brad Morse's term is up in New
York.
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FORD LIBRARY s GERALD
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President: He is a good friend of mine.
Kissinger: The Department wants to replace him, but he is okay.
President: I want to keep him.
Kissinger: A lot of my people are leaving because of pay.
President: It's a general problem. If Congress will go along with the
5% pay increase, we could combine the executive categories.
Kissinger: It is a serious problem.
On PL-480, I talked with Humphrey. He said to pick the high option and
call Hesburgh and the Church groups and get credit for it. Humphrey
will support us either way. But he doesn't want to make Vietnam one
of the Most Seriously Affected. He says they are determined up there
to lose Vietnam. He will work it out some way.
President: Prices have gone down in the last few days. If that
continues
Brent, remind me about the Trade Representative to look
at the commodity price, and see if we can get the same quantity for a
lower price.
Kissinger: I am confused about why Allon went back happy. Either they
have decided to give in or to stonewall. But we made it clear to him --
and we can't wait. We can't go to the Congress without progress, even
for $200 million.
President: I won't do it. When are you going?
Kissinger: I thought I would go right after Bhutto. I'll do it in two trips.
I think it is too dangerous to try it in one trip.
On Bhutto, there is one big issue -- arms to Pakistan. India has built
a psychology that it is wrong to sell arms to Pakistan. India is getting
arms like crazy. The Indians will scream and the Indian friends in the
Congress will too.
President: I am not sure the Indian lobby is that big now. I don't have any
great sympathy for India.
FORD
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&
GERALD
LIBRARY
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Kissinger: It is not a really decisive issue. I can get you a paper on it.
President: I would like a paper. I tend to think we have leaned too much
toward India anyway.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
FORDO & LIBRARY OERALD
Oakly
Sat
9:38-0:20
N.
P/K 18 Jan 75
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E.O. 12958, SEC. 3.5
GERALD
BY Vala
DATE 5/10/04
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