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File'scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library MEMORANDUM THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON ONFIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION PARTICIPANTS: President Gerald Ford Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State, and Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Dr. James R. Schlesinger, Secretary of Defense General George S. Brown, USAF, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff Donald Rumsfeld, Chief of Staff, White House Phillip W. Buchen, Counsel to the President John O. Marsh, Counsellor to the President Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs DATE AND TIME: Friday, April 11, 1975 4:30 p.m. PLACE: The Oval Office The White House SUBJECT: "Eagle Pull" -- Phnom Penh Evacuation President: I would like to be brought up to date on where we are and what we are going to do. We will restrict ourselves to Cambodia. I am optimistic and I think we will make it. Schlesinger: "Eagle Pull" will commence at 0900 local. They will be on the ground one hour and 20 minutes total. It will be completed by 11:30 p.m. our time if all goes well. There be 33 helicopters, including three for search and rescue. The first twelve will hold 346 Marines. President: Will Long Boret go? RALD GE R. FORD CIBRARY Kissinger: "Eagle Pull" will collapse the Government. Even if Long Boret doesn't, enough of his people will go that it will collapse. DECLASSIFIED CONFIDENTIAL E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5 JOP SECRET - XGDS (3) NSC Memo, 11/24/98, State Date Dept. 1/20/00 Guide ines CLASSIFIED BY: HENRY A. KISSINGER By let CONFIDENTAL 2. President: Do we know if there will be much fighting? There will be a crowd gathering, but there is a better than 50% chance of getting out without fighting. Brown: There will be air cover but it will only return fire if fire is directed on the evacuation and only to protect the evacuation. The heli- copters will come in a stream from the Carrier UBON and peel off from hold points. We can do it all in one lift unless there are too many Khmer. Schlesinger: We must do it all in one lift. Brown: The Khmer have quite a lift capability of their own. Kissinger: Do the Khmer think it is over or is this an American decision? Brown: It is a U.S. decision. Our intelligence thinks tomorrow will be the last day, but probably it would come on the 13th, an auspicious time. President: There will be air cover? Buchen: Yes. They will be under positive control all the time and under FAC. President: By what authority is this being done? Schlesinger: The rescue operation is to protect American lives, any fire is to protect American lives and Khmer evacuation is incidental to the American evacuation. Buchen: Yes. The Khmer evacuation is incidental. Marsh: We would use the same force anyway, wouldn't we? Schlesinger: If we had gotten it down to 50 Americans, we would have used a much smaller force and got them out in 10 minutes. Kissinger: I think we should say we are stretching the law so we don't run counter to the President's request of last night. Rumsfeld: Don't use "incidental" -- because there are five times as many Khmers and it will be seen as a subterfuge. A. FORD CONFIDENTIAL GERALD LIBRARY CONF IDENTIAL 3. Schlesinger: The original list contained 50 Khmer. That has swollen to 1, 100. It is there we might be vulnerable. President: I would think there would be a crowd gathered. Schlesinger: We can use Red Cross agents. And they have C130's. Buchen: Why do we take them out then? Schlesinger: Ask State. Kissinger: It was assumed that the airfield would be unuseable. We didn't want to pull the plug by talking to them about evacuation. [The statements to be read and given to Congress were reviewed. ] President: There is no connection between this and the Vietnam evacuation. There is no connection at all. This is a unique situation. Brown: Unless we give orders, the Marine Commander may load up with Khmer and leave the Marines, thus necessitating a second flight. President: I agree. The Commander should be told that all Americans must be aboard the last chopper. LIBRARY GERALD P: FORD CONF IDENTIAL 1346 1809 (Eagle Pmg 11 apr 25 P I would who to he brought my t date on where we case v what and are you & Iv. W & will custrict miselves to Combolia run optimist and I trick are will whole it S Engle E Publ will Charness at 0900 loved. an ground 1:20 tental. w ill ln completed 11:30 pm am time if ill you well. 33 helps (3 for St R) letiz hold 346 P will hong But go? 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Bronse Unliso are give cruws, the marine Cdr may load up w/Khner + have e marines, thus recessitating a second fight. P I agill. The ca shoul lh trial him all americans must be arrand c last chapper. FORD A. LIBRARY