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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
GERALD FORD LIBRARY
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and
Assistant to the President for National Security
Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Thursday, June 5, 1975
2:00 p.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
President: Pete Dominick said he just couldn't carry on.
Kissinger: The Middle East. I think we can work it. Israel is making
noises like they are going to cave.
President: They know they haven't pushed it one inch.
Kissinger: I told Dinitz they had said there were three areas they knew
there had to be movement in -- duration, warning sites, and boycott. You
must be firm because they will try to rattle us. Now they have Joe Kraft
saying I shouldn't be the negotiator. That is another ploy.
DECLASSIFIED
JFK Assass. Rec. Collection Act of 1992
state NSC, SIA Reviews 1781000410297
By KBH
I think you should hit Rabin between the eyes -- your extreme
concern over what happened in March, over the leaks, and over their
trying to win public opinion here. This will actually give him something to
sell at home. Tell him if there is no movement we will go to Geneva with
a comprehensive proposal.
NARA date 4/12/02
President: There are about ten things which related to a comprehensive
proposal we would raise at Geneva. I wouldn't tell him what position, just
what we needed positions on.
CLASSIFIED BY HENRY A. KISSINGER
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 (b) (1,3)
AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp. to det.
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
2.
Kissinger: You could suggest that he and I work out something that
Israel can support. I will then try to move him toward the Egyptian
positions without telling him about them. Then you tell him to go home
and see if he can sell it to the Cabinet, and if he can, I will go to Egypt
to sell it. If you give it as an Egyptian proposal, they will play it as
Egyptian-American collusion.
President: This would be while he is here.
Kissinger: In between your meetings with him. I will tell him he has got
to go East of the passes and have an unbroken line to the oil fields. I don't
know how to work the duration -- probably we can bargain. On the warning
stations, I would leave the manning of them open. If they offer American
manning, we can say we have to run it by the Egyptians. Then he would
run this past the Cabinet and I would go out a week later. We'd get it done
before the Soviet Union and Syria get set.
I think you have got to show you are determined and won't tolerate
a stalemate. My impression from Dinitz -- unless they are setting us
up.
I asked Bryce Harlow what kind of flak we would take in a confron-
tation. He said "Go on television to explain it and you would get overwhelm-
ing support. " I think you can get an agreement, based on your Salzburg
meetings.
President: It would put some meat on the bones.
Kissinger: I think this is the way we can do it.
President: I liked the Gromyko comment about how cumbersome democracy
is in foreign policy.
Kissinger: My strong recommendation is to keep the Rabin dinner as much
a working dinner as possible even if it hurts Max Fisher's feelings. The
essence of a working dinner is that it's only the Executive Branch plus some
from Congress.
President: Okay -- about 32. No Jewish leaders.
Kissinger: Rabin will want an assurance that you won't press him on
Syria and at Geneva.
President: We can't promise that.
FORD is LIBRARY GERALD
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
3.
Kissinger: They will say they would be pressed at Geneva anyway, so why
make a deal before hand? You could say we do it to defuse the Soviets
One other point on Soviet intercepts. The Vice President wants
to get it out. We would have an explosion, and arguments about why we are
having detente with an outfit like this -- and we are doing it with the Soviet
Union also.
President: There are two problems. His commission insists there be
something in the report.
Kissinger: That is the Vice President insisting, not the commission.
President: Then it is a matter of classification and we can decide whether
or not to declassify it.
They can't tell our methods in the report -- and the defector
statement is. In a classified report, the truth would be told.
Kissinger: The Vice President has to be slowed down on this. This would
be bad from a foreign policy and political point of view. It is not necessary
for you to intervene at this point.
[Discussion of the classification of the Rockefeller Report and
what has been going on.]
President: I am concerned at Church trying to sensationalize by focusing
on the assassinations. From what I am told, we made some clumsy
attempts. From what I see, if he pushes it, it could make Kennedy look
bad. But at the same time, it is so clumsy that it makes CIA look bad.
Kissinger: I don't think you should do it. You could let Church push you
into it -- say it happened 15 years ago and why go back.
President: No, I wouldn't get into it.
Kissinger: I think if everything were known, Kennedy and Johnson did far
more than Nixon did. Bill Sullivan told me the things the Kennedys did
with the FBI that aren't to be believed. I think you could say it could not
happen now.
President: You have to be careful because Church could write it into
law.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
FORD & GERALD LIBRARY
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
4.
Kissinger: Not since I have been here has there been anything even
thought of. There was the killing of the Chilean Chief of Staff, but we had
dissociated from that group when we heard they were plotting to kidnap
him.
This is sort of a phenomenon of the Kennedys.
Scowcroft: You will get the assassination data.
President: I will say I got it, I have looked at it, it was 15 years ago, and
I don't think we should go back. If I start leaking it, Kennedy will be a
martyr.
Kissinger: I think it's best to cover up a little for Kennedy,
President: I am not going to second guess my predecessors. If Church
wants to, let him. The Kennedys will get him.
That Safire article was fascinating.
Kissinger: Your pardon is looking better and better. It looks of a piece
with the Mayaguez, etc., of your acting decisively and doing what is right
whether it is popular or not.
FORD i GERALD LIBRARY
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
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