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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
CONFIDENTIAL
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Mr. Max Fisher
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
and Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Friday, June 13, 1975
10:00 - 10:15 a. m.
PLACE:
The White House
The Oval Office
President: When do you leave? [For Israel].
Fisher: Tonight. I just thought anything you want to tell me would be of help.
President: We have narrowed the differences with Rabin, but we still a e at a
crunch point. I thought we made more progress, yesterday compared to
the first day. There still ar e some differences, specifically related to the
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passes. Unless we make more progress it won't work. I was encouraged
yesterday, less SO today. Henry will meet with Rabin today to see if we
can make more progress. Both sides have mov ed, but if neither moves any
further we won't have an agreement. Is that right, Henry?
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Kissinger: Yes, except you know the Israeli domestic situation. The Cabinet
hasn't approved anything, so the movement is Rabin, not Israel. The President
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described it precisely. We will have to see if there are still possibilities.
Fisher: The Likud seems to be having problems. It looks to me like the
political situation is better, but I'll know better when I get there. But it
sounds like you are narrowing the differences.
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Kissinger: Yes. But we have no reason to think Egypt will settle for
less than the passes. But they have offered more, so it wouldn t be an
Israeli cave. So both would appear to have given some.
Fisher: How about duration?
Kissinger: We are working on it. We haven't solved it.
Fisher: The boycott.
Kissinger: We can make some concrete steps. Sadat said he can't invite
American companies into Egypt, , but if they apply, he won't make the
boycott list be a barrier.
Fisher: I think it is importan t tha we make this their work.
Kissinger: Another problem where you could help: The propensity is to
drag things out. We have a window with the Soviets to the end of July, so we
need to move before then.
President: They want our help on CSCE. So as long as we have that in front
of us, we can keep them quiet on the Middle East.
Kissinger: We have told the Israelis this; it is just that you could emphasize
it.
President: If we don't get a basic agreement by the middle of July, we lose
our leverage, and I will have to go to the overall alternative. I have told
State to draw up an overall plan as insurance. I am telling you that -- I
haven't told the Israelis that, although I am sure they realize. To put all
our chips on aninterim which fails, and to have no back-up, just won't work.
Fisher: Did this matter of Egyptian arms come up?
Kissinger: There was one story about us selling. Tha is bunk. Today
there was a report about $1 million in arms from Great Britain. I doubt it,
and it was not confirmed by the British. The British don't have the kind
of sophisticated arms Egypt needs. The problem is Egypt has cut itself off
from the Soviet Union. We must decide whether we want them to go back to
the Soviet Union or whether will do it. Basically, I don't think it against the
American interest for Egypt to buy its arms in the West.
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Fisher: How about Syria and Jordan, just for my information?
Kissinger: All we know is what is in the paper. Hussein told the President
he wouldn't agree to a joint command. We have to find out. If it is to
bring the PLO under control, that is not against out interests. We are
looking into it.
President: We have narrowed the gap, but it doesn't help if it is not clos ed.
Fisher: What can I do?
Kissinger: Emphasize the seriousness of it.
President: We have to have the flexibility if it is to work.
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