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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
WITHDRAWAL ID 018036
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
National security restriction
TYPE OF MATERIAL
Memorandum of Conversation
TITLE
Ford, Kissinger
CREATION DATE
07/07/1975
VOLUME
4 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
031400586
COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
13
FOLDER TITLE
July 7, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
06/01/2004
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and
Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant to
the President for National Security Affairs
DATE & TIME:
Monday, July 7, 1975
9:15 a. m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
Kissinger: In Milwaukee I will speak toughly about the UN. It may cause
a flurry in the UN.
President: That's all right. That's the way I feel. That should put us
on the side of the Israelis on this issue. Didn't they kick Israel out of
one of the specialized agencies?
Kissinger: I think the Israelis are getting ready to cave, but I have been
wrong before. But we have to hang tough. If we make it, it will be your
letter and the fact that the two of us are together. Dinitz as much as
said so -- that they could handle me but not both of us together. If we
make it, it could be significant and maybe better than March, because we
have gained four or five months. If they make some unilateral concessions
to Syria, we have a chance of holding it until '77.
DECLASSIFIED F.O. 12958 Sec. 10
With PORTIONS EXEMPTED
President: The more I thought over the weekend, the more I think the
E.O. 12958 Sec. 1.5 (c)
state dept review 3/10/04
MR04-78 $5. 4/4/05
dal NARA. Date 6/28/05
decision is not to use American combat troops there but only warning
stations was good. We can sell it to the Congress, and if it's turned
down we have a good case to take it to the people.
How about the Morgan [the US soldier kidnapped in Beirut] and what
should we do?
CLASSIFIED BY Henry A.Kissinger
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
FORD
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Kissinger: It is a State-Defense foulup that he was allowed to pass
through Beirut during a civil war. The group is not PLO but an unknown
terrorist group. They have made three demands. The Lebanese Govern-
ment is trying to effect the release without payment. I think we will
recommend that we don't meet the demands. I think that giving in would
proliferate kidnappings like this and jeopardize far more American lives.
We will know today whether the Lebanese can free him. He is black, so
they will be cautious about killing him.
On Panama, we have a number of choices. I don't think we have any
choice about going ahead with a treaty. I think Defense has behaved very
badly on this. I think they have really been behind the Snyder Amendment.
Clements said that if we delayed the treaty ratification, maybe he could
give us a little help on the Snyder Amendment. I think we have to fight it
on Constitutional grounds, not on the merits. I think that is a very
important issue.
The only choice of getting through '76 is with the cooperation of the
Panamanians. For that, we need a serious negotiation. My idea is to
delay the initialing until December '76. If we could get some sort of
conceptual understanding. We need a united Administration and no leak
that this is the way we are going.
President: I agree we can't have a leak, but as soon as you bring in
people, you risk leaks by the opponents.
Kissinger: We could have a small NSC meeting.
President: Do we need that? A small, closely controlled meeting with
Schlesinger, Clements, etc., would be better.
Kissinger: I think we should leave Colby out of everything we can.
President: Let's do it that way. Let's set it up for next week. Congress-
man Gene Snyder was at the airport in Kentucky. He had the gall to say
he wanted to be a Federal Judge. I bit my tongue.
Kissinger: I am seeing Gromyko and will have to stall on CSCE. I will
tell him you and Brezhnev can discuss it. We will have a little trouble
wrapping it up. Waiting until around the 10th of August, until after Miki,
is a long time to let it lag. That could be dangerous.
FORD
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
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GERALD
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- 3 -
President: I read in the CIA brief that the Turks and Romanians are
still holding out on CSCE.
Kissinger: That shows what the CIA brief is -- just a distillation of
State cables. I have told our CSCE people to force the pace just a little;
there really are no issues left. I have passed the word that you are not
available in August.
President: Right.
Kissinger: Regarding Angola -- there are three options:
If this is worth doing, we should do it right.
I would suggest a 40 Committee meeting Monday, and I will get a paper to
you by Tuesday.
President: I agree. Cross off the
I think it should be
at least.
I read that the Chinese are supporting Savimbi and the Soviets are behind
Neto. We would be supporting Roberto and Savimbi. You steer it so we
come up with a minimum of
Kissinger: I have no view between
We will have a working
group meeting to refine the
package and maybe put some
in it.
Dinitz is coming back today and I will see him.
President: We have that Turk meeting on Wednesday. I noticed that the
Democratic Congressional group on Cyprus
Kissinger: We think it is a put-up job.
President: That is what I think. I don't know just how we should deal
with it. It looks like a Brademas game. Rostow wants to be helpful.
He called Rumsfeld over the weekend. He shouldn't be perceived as
working with the White House. I think he should talk directly to the
Speaker. O'Neill and others with his Democratic group. Don says
Gene is very concerned. He says Brademas is being very mischievious.
Kissinger: I think it is better if Brent handles this, so we won't have
too many different cooks in the broth. If we could get them activated
fast that would be good.
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President: Brademas is saying we want all or nothing and we are not
pressuring the Turks.
Brent should tell Rostow we are willing to lift just sales, and point out
we have been trying to pressure the Turks.
Kissinger: I have a heavy Congressional schedule tomorrow. [He
describes it.]
President: The freshman have a new Chairman. The new one, I don't
think is quite as responsible as Hubbard was.
FORD & LIBRARY QERALD
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WITHDRAWAL ID 018037
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TYPE OF MATERIAL
Note
DESCRIPTION
Brent Scowcroft's handwritten notes for
memcon
CREATION DATE
07/07/1975
VOLUME
4 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
031400586
COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
13
FOLDER TITLE
July 7, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
06/01/2004
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
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