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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
WITHDRAWAL ID 018047
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
National security restriction
TYPE OF MATERIAL
Memorandum of Conversation
TITLE
Ford, Kissinger
CREATION DATE
07/17/1975
VOLUME
3 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
031400601
COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
13
FOLDER TITLE
July 17, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
06/01/2004
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
GG
sanitized 4/4/05
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
DECLASSIFIED E.O. 12938 Sec. 3.0
SECRET/NODIS
With PORTIONS EXEMPTED
E.O. 12958 Sec. 1.5 (c)
state dept. review 3/10/04
MR04-78,16; CIAlts 4/4/05
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
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Date
6/28/05
PARTICIPANTS:
The President
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
and Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy
Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Thursday, July 17, 1975
9:55 - 10:40 a.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
SUBJECTS:
Frank Lindsay; Angola; Zaire, Middle East
Kissinger: [Re PFIAB] I know Frank Lindsay extremely well and he is
outstanding. But all the pressures on him will be in a direction not favorable
to you. His wife's brother is Rev. Coffin of Yale. Whenever the chips are
down, these guys go with their social pressures. If he had a full-time job
here away from his social environment, he would be fine. His wife is not
as bad as Coffin, but
Up there they are on the right of the liberal group. I asked Moynihan
what Harvard wanted from us and he said "failure."
President: I knew Brent had reservations but didn't know the full story.
Kissinger: On Angola. I favor action. If the U.S. does nothing when the
Soviet-supported group gains dominance, I think all the movements will
draw the conclusions that they must accommodate to the Soviet Union and
China. I think reluctantly we must do something. But you must know
that we have massive problems within the State Department. They are
passionately opposed and it will leak.
President: How about Davis?
CLASSIFIED BY
HENRY A. KISSINGER
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
FORD LIBRARY & GERALD
SECRET/NODIS
SCHEDULE OF REPORTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATE OKY 5(b) (1,3)
AUTOMATICALLY
ON
Imp. to Det.
SECRET/NODIS
2.
Kissinger: He will resign and take some with him.
President: After what you and I did for him.
Kissinger: I also have a problem with the Ambassador to Tanzania.
He participated in giving the ransom for the students. I would like to
recall and retire him. But you have to know there would be a major
blow-up -- mostly blamed on me.
Has
gone to Kaunda?
Scowcroft: No. He felt that he should wait for approval.
Kissinger: That is a disgrace.
[Describes the State paper of objections.]
There isn't one African leader who doesn't govern by physical
domination, except maybe Nigeria.
President: Does the paper recommend arms?
Kissinger: We should send Vance
Then we should have
Mobutu and Kaunda get together and work it out.
Without us, Neto will win. And the argument is, it doesn't matter.
President: What are the odds if we do it?
Kissinger: We will know better when we see the Mobutu plan.
I will send you the Nat Davis paper.
You have a Zaire economic aid package from Lynn. We would like
to give a $20 million economic package for Zaire. Lynn objects because
there is no economic justification. He is right, but the political considera-
tions override.
President: I am not sure if we are opposing the Soviets, we are not right.
Kissinger: But those who rant against the Soviets won't follow through on it.
SECRET/NODIS
GERALD R. FORD LIBRART
SECRET/NODIS
3.
Here is the letter from President Nixon asking for toughness on
Israel. [He hands him the letter. ]
I am seeing Dinitz now. I agree with your view on the telephone last
night. If we can't arrange an Egyptian backdown, we are in trouble.
You should know that in the Midwest the idea of having Americans on
the ground is not popular. I think you should insist on a Congressional
vote.
President: You are right, but I think we should stick with the offer so we
can get something from Israel -- which has to be more than is being
offered now -- and so we can say we have gone farther than we should have.
Kissinger: On the CSCE trip, I don't think a London airport stop is right.
If they ask for it, okay, but otherwise forget it unless we can spend a day
there.
Asad is a bigger problem. He needs the prestige, but it will make
Israel mad and Egypt unhappy.
President: How about in connection with the China trip?
[There was some discussion]
I will leave on Friday if required.
Kissinger: I would worry about doing it before the CSCE. Asad would be
going around telling his version and you would have to explain to Brezhnev
what happened.
SEGRET/NODIS
GERMSO LIBRARY P FORD
NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
WITHDRAWAL ID 018048
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
National security restriction
TYPE OF MATERIAL
Note
DESCRIPTION
Brent Scowcroft's handwritten notes for
memcon
CREATION DATE
07/17/1975
VOLUME
2 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
031400601
COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
13
FOLDER TITLE
July 17, 1975 - Ford, Kissinger
DATE WITHDRAWN
06/01/2004
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
GG