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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
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MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
and Assistant to the President for
National Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Friday, September 26, 1975
10:56 - 11:34 a. m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
Kissinger: We have three different problems with these groups: a deliberate
attempt to destroy Executive authority, to destroy our foreign policy, and
to knock down every strong man around you.
What they are doing to the Sinai agreement is unbelievable. It is
the greatest achievement since the opening to China and all that is happening
is they are pissing all over it.
I am so overburdened that mistakes are made. They asked Sisco
GUIDELINES State 3/11/04
if these were Executive agreements. Sisco is energetic but has no judgment.
He got the Legal Advisor to say they are legally binding Executive agreements.
We are now facing a coalition of the pro-Israelis, who want to
freeze these papers into concrete agreements
...
NARA, DATE 6/3/04
The President: I am disturbed about your comment that I am not tough
enough in foreign policy.
Kissinger: No, I didn't mean you. I meant the impression of those around
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you. We are dominant in the world and at home we are impotent. Don't
misunderstand me, it is not you. But Buchen -- let me say the manner
in which they talk to the Congress does not inspire respect. Why he has
to say we would never withhold a whole document
...
CLASSIFIED BY Henry A. Kissinger
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SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY
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The President: I didn't say that.
Kissinger: No, youare just fine. There is not an iota of difference between
us. But we shouldn't promise sweeping things like this -- we don't know
what will do.
[He reads from agreement to show that the language leaves an
escape clause and there is no binding language. ]
If I have to testify on these though, I will have to say either it means
nothing or it does mean something. Either one is a disaster.
The President: Both Committees have this?
Kissinger: Completely. And it has been leaked to the New York Times.
But to publish it officially would create a massive problem with the Arabs.
The President: Were you tough with the Committees?
Kissinger: I did not yield, but they are now using delaying tactics. They
want Schlesinger to testify and he will be asked about your statement that
we will give military assistance to Egypt. He will convey the impression
he has been out of it.
The President: I was strong on the Pershing.
Kissinger: Brent told me you were great. Schlesinger knew about the
Pershing. He didn't know about the slip of paper. But he has given away
all the easy things now -- F-16, tank lasers, accelerating the F-15 -- leaving
you with the sticky issues.
The President: How do we get the Sinai thing through?
Kissinger: They are responding to pressure from home like with Vietnam.
And the Jews are trying to knock you off. They want a new guy in the
White House in '77.
The President: Should I demand immediate action? I have told them
Kissinger: I would write Sparkman and Morgan that peace in the Middle
East requires action by the end of the week.
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The President: I would add Scott, Mansfield, Albert and Rhodes.
Kissinger: It's not much help in the Committee. But I am not sure that
if we don't win it in a week you maybe should yield.
The President: On my letters?
Kissinger: No. Those are safe. You are a victim of Watergate.
The President: Never before has so much been given to the Congress.
I mentioned to Brent the DOD budget cuts.
Kissinger: If you were at the UN, you would be proud. You are as strong
after Vietnam as Nixon -- except domestically. Vladivostok was a real
triumph -- which is being pissed on now. And the DOD budget cuts are
another manifestation.
Can we meet for 15 minutes tomorrow on SALT? We won't get
an agreement, I don't think.
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