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MEMORANDUM
(fenschve)
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958 (HS amended) MUM
MR # 09-46-15
OSDets 11/4/09; state ltr 7/14/10
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
dal NARA, Date 8/18/10
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and
Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy
Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
DATE & TIME:
Saturday - September 27, 1975
10:45 a. m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
President: I am getting to like him [Sauvagnargues].
Kissinger: He is a fine man. You know, it's sick. There has been a revolution
in our relations with France. Sauvagnargues just told the press they totally
support the US on Cyprus and the Middle East. Two years ago these would
have been banner headlines.
President: I told Brent I was so God-damned mad. That Reston article
Kissinger: Mr. President, on foreign policy, we are great. You took over
a country in shambles. We now have a Middle East agreement and our
relations with Europe have never been better.
President: You probably can't do it, but why don't I suggest that in a speech.
Kissinger: I think you should. Take them on.
CLASSIFIED BY Henry A. Kissinger
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY
AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED 5(6/(3) ON Imp To DeT.
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- 2 -
President: I think we are right, we have done good things. Can you have it
drafted?
Kissinger: Yes. Here is the draft letter [ to Congressional leaders] on Sinai.
[President reads]
President: Fine. Send to the Committee and the leaders. Monday morning.
Kissinger: Our successes in foreign policy are because we have been able
to tie things together through authority, decisiveness, quickness and courage.
Now I am constantly having to say "we would like to, but. These agree-
ments never would ever have gotten out, even in Great Britain. The situation
is beginning to take its toll on the Chinese. It is the first time they have really
taken us on. The theme [of Chiao's UNGA speech] was the two superpowers
will inevitably clash. They complained on the Middle East, after urging us
to go step-by-step, etc.
I think we must take a firm tone. They don't respect weakness. We should
tell them we are not amused, ask what they are doing and way you can't go
to Peking if this is what we can expect.
President: I. agree. I have no burning desire to go. You go right ahead.
Kissinger: If we really want to pull the Chinese up, we could do it by going
to the Soviets, say we have seen the speech and we won't let them pit us against
each other.
President: Do what you think best.
Kissinger: We have to get discipline in the Executive. Buckley told me
Congressman Bauman said he feels sorry for Schlesinger being caught in
the middle.
President: That is rot. Bauman is far out on the right.
Kissinger: Schlesinger is taking a free ride. He is 90% responsible for the
Pershing. He could have stopped it in two minutes.
I think the Soviets have decided against a meeting and maybe against SALT.
The Backfire position is outrageous. It's the same as our FBS. After
Vladivostok we got hit by the liberals that 2400 was too high and by Jackson
that it was a sell out. The Soviets have come quite a way conceding on
FBS, verification, etc. We have done nothing.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
- 3 -
I think Schlesinger is trying to take on the White House. He is trying to
get a position as close to Jackson as possible. [Discussed cruise missiles.
]
President: What worries me is the clobbering we have gotten on the defense
budget. I have got to get Jim over here and say I am disappointed in him not get-
ting through the defense budget. They have done a poor job of justification.
Kissinger: And that further hurts us with the Soviets.
Why are the Soviets reluctant to meet you? He can't come here without an
agreement. I suggested the two of you meet in Europe. Why don't they want
an agreement? They know it will get a worse beating here than the Sinai
agreement. Or maybe they want the new guy to sign it and to see your chances
of reelection before they do it.
I think there will be no summit this year. They just aren't working on it.
[General discussion of SALT, Schlesinger, DOD]
I am at least as upset as you.
President: I want Schlesinger over here next week. Why don't I have the
JCS over here at the same time? They should hear me. If their budget
was valid, why couldn't they defend it adequately? And if we don't get SALT,
we will have to have a supplemental. How can we do that if we can't even
get the regular budget?
Kissinger: That's not a bad idea. But Schlesinger just has to get on the
team. He continually leaks with the press. He should support you.
I think we must stand on our SALT position now. We must stand pat now.
[There was a discussion of meeting alternatives. The economic summit was
discussed.]
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
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