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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
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MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Gerald R. Ford
King Olaf V of Norway
Knut Frydenlund, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Soren Christian Sommerfelt, Norwegian
Ambassador
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State and
Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Friday, October 10, 1975
11:30 a.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
The President: It is good to see you. You are always welcome here. We
have many good Norwegians in America who have made a great contribution.
You will have a good trip.
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Olaf: Yes. I am going to Minnesota, Chicago, then to the West Coast and
then Alaska.
The President: I understand you will go to Prudhoe [to see the Alaska
Pipeline].
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Olaf: Yes, weather permitting.
The President: Maybe you can spur them on.
Olaf: How far are they?
The President: I am not sure. They spend most of the winter getting ready
for the summer push. It will be a year and a half.
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Olaf: It is a massive construction job. It must be terrible over the tundra.
The President: Yes. The costs are terrible and escalating all the time.
You are doing a great job in the North Sea too.
Olaf: Yes, we hope we can get it going. We don't want to have a leak into
the North Sea.
The President: How deep do the rigs have to go?
Olaf: I think 30-40 fathoms. I don't recall the exact figures.
The President: We are going to be working the Outer Continental Shelf.
How far off the coast are your rigs?
Olaf: Right between us and Great Britain. It takes an hour and a half by
helicopter.
Kissinger: You claim it because it is shelf?
Olaf: Yes. It is basically a flat shelf. The border lines were set before
the oil discovery, fortunately. The Danes claim that the line was drawn
unfairly, but there is no real dispute.
The President: I know the people in Minnesota are looking forward to your
visit. The Scandinavians have practically taken over Minnesota.
Olaf: Yes, and North Dakota.
The President: There are lots of Finns in Michigan's upper peninsula.
I certainly enjoyed meeting your Prime Minister at Brussels.
Olaf: Yes. He will be coming here next week. He is not joining me, but
he will be travelling in the same general area, including Wisconsin. He
worked here on a railroad during the German occupation. Some of his
brothers are here, one son is at New York University. He was a foreman
before he was 21, so he must have been capable. He wouldn't learn
English for a long time!
The President: That is rugged country.
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Olaf: Yes, I have been over most of it.
The President: We don't have very regular trains to the West Coast
anymore. It is too easy to go by air. But if you have time, it is a delight-
ful way to travel.
How are things coming with your negotiations on Svalbard?
Olaf: There are two questions -- the continental shelf between us and the
Soviet Union and the shelf around Svalbard.
Frydenlund: On the delimitation of the Barents, we are talking with the
Soviet Union. We had one meeting in Moscow and next month we meet in
Oslo. The other issue is in the Law of the Sea Conference.
Kissinger: The NATO meeting next spring is in Oslo. I haven't been there
since 1961. Mr. President, have you been there?
The President: Unfortunately, I have never been to Oslo. Many Americans
come on cruises in the summer.
Olaf: Yes they do. Some of them rent cars but most of them stay on the
ships.
The President: I am not patient enough for that. I do like one of Nor-
way's favorite pastimes -- skiing. Of course I go slower and slower as I
get older.
Sommerfelt: You should switch to cross-country.
The President: That's a lot of work. One of my sons is trying to talk me
into it. The equipment is cheaper, though. The equipment for downhill
skiing now is really expensive -- especially where you have to outfit four
children!
You were at the UN?
Olaf: Yes. I spoke there yesterday. It was a pleasant experience.
The President: I spoke there last year.
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Kissinger: Was this part of the general debate, or was it a separate
speech?
Frydenlund: Separate.
The President: I thanked Senator Humphrey for getting the Sinai agreement
through.
Kissinger: He is a great patriot. The Israelis have now signed the agree-
ment.
The President: Good, because the Congress is now recessing for ten days.
Olaf: Then they come back for the State of the Union speech?
The President: No, they will be back in ten days, and they hope to adjourn
by 1 December for good. It can't be too soon.
Olaf: When I see your hearings, they seem to be very difficult and
laborious.
The President: I am afraid they play for sensation on TV. It has been
harmful in many ways.
Kissinger: They catch us both ways on the intelligence business. We are
accused of not knowing about coups -- when the local government doesn't
know either. Or we are accused of knowing about it -- like Cyprus.
The President: Hindsight is great.
Kissinger: There is always one sorehead who will say he predicted some- -
thing.
The President: Unfortunately the people on these committees have such
a narrow view. We should prepare some of our people to take apart some
of these witnesses, like Ray Cline.
Olaf: I would like to present this medal to you while we are still alone,
then we can do it again for the press. [He reads the inscription. It com-
memorates the landing of the ship Restauratin in 1825 with the first of
many Norwegian settlers in America.
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The President: Thank you very much. It is beautiful and means much to
me. We have so many of your people who have contribut ed so much to our
progress. How many passengers were on the ship?
Olaf: Fifty-two -- fifty-three really. One was born on board.
The President: You had better take it back so we can do it again for the
press.
[The press enters again. ]
Olaf: [Reads the citation from the Sesquicentennial Committee.) ]
It has a picture of one side of the Restauratin and on the other side, an
immigrant.
The President: Thank you, Your Majesty.
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