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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SECRET/SENSITIVE
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Gyula Szeker, Deputy Prime Minister of Hungary
Elliot Richardson, Secretary of Commerce
Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President for
National Security Affairs
Amb. Ferenc Esztergalyos, Hungarian Ambassador
DATE AND TIME:
Tuesday, May 4, 1976
11:58-12:15 p.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
President: I am very pleased you were able to accept Secretary Morton's
invitation to visit. Is this your first visit to this country?
Szeker: Yes, it is.
President: How long will you be here?
Szeker: One week. We want to visit New York and Chicago. My heart
is in industry, so I hope to see some of your industrial plants.
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President: You will see much industry if you go to the Detroit area.
Szeker: This matter is connected with the fact that we would like to
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advance in the area of industrial cooperation. I think probably we can't
be satisfied with the present level. We are a small country but our
share of trade with the US is only 1%. Before the war it used to be 5%.
We are working toward an increase.
DECLASSIFIED
President: I know the trade has been small, even though there has been
some increase.
Szeker: We have started on this road. We cooperate on tractor production
with Steiger and others. Agricultural cooperation is doing well. Secretary
Butz visited Hungary last fall. There are a large number of possibilities
BY
here.
CLASSIFIED BY Henry A. Kissinger
SECRET/SENSITIVE
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 (B) (1, 3)
AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp. to det.
SECRET/SENSITIVE
-2-
We feel also on the level of state relations and others, we should
raise relations to a higher level.
I would like to raise two other points, if I may: We are aware of
your great efforts to provide MFN. We would like very much to have
it prevail.
President: We were very disappointed with the legislation which
passed in 1974. We will have to get the legislation changed, but I
don't think Congress will be in the mind to do it in 1976.
One point I would like to make -- I would hope we could work out
broader cooperation in the area of scientific and cultural affairs
between us.
Szeker: We very much hope that if not in '76, then in '77 the modifi-
cation of the Act will take place.
President: We will be doing our best to change the law so we can
expand cooperation with countries like Hungary.
Szeker: One final problem. Hungary has a 1000-year history. The
Hungarian people are sensitively affected by the fact that the Hungarian
Crown is in the United States. The Hungarian people have suffered
much in many wars. Almost all our national treasures have been
destroyed. We are on the path of marching armies and we have almost
no relics of the 11th and 12th centuries. We have little earlier than
the 15th and 16th centuries. The return of the Crown jewels would
provoke a very positive response in the Hungarian people and I would
ask you to find a way to get the Crown back to the people.
President: We understand your concern. We will look at the situation
and see what can be done. I am not in a position to say yes at this time.
We understand how important this is to your cultural heritage. I will
look at the situation and communicate through the proper channels.
You are meeting with Secretaries Simon and Richardson today and you
have met Secretary Butz already. They are very able men and we hope
through them we can expand this relationship.
Szeker: Thank you very much.
SEGRET/SENSITIVE
P/O.P.M. Szelar/Micharder
4 thery 76
P I every pleased you well whe to a copt
wortner inventor to val. & this
your (
S yes it is
P How long will you be here
S Ow work. W wonth instat uy Chinap
We mant is in unitsty No = hype to
she sorvey your industrial plants
P you will see much endresty T you
you Stroit area
S Teris maths is connected w/ ya t are
would liker alvern in chea of
undres eerp- I think providely are
event be satio. w/present level use
are a several country but one than
of coole wf of is only 1% Byne was
it used to be 520 we and werking
toward an increase
P shum C twents has hern terrall, when
the the has been nine K.
S Gl home started an this road. we loop
on tracture priel. as/ Sterger of who agri
up is dring will- Berty unsited Cost
fall- There are a large # if possibilities
here.
& o ths use pul also mc C. level of , Eth within
we should recise which be higher
lined.
The orther possible 3 & are amount of
your great efforts to privide MFN we
would hh to home it previd
P. Gilmen every disap. as/c ley insult
DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958, SEC. 3.5
NSC MEMO, 11/24/98, STATE DEPT. GUIDELINES state Inview3/12/04
GERALD
BY
wh
NADE 2/1/04
presed 7 I We w e will have to get c J
byes hongle but I dont think cong anil
be in C mord to doet in 16
P Own 1 I wald What he- I
end sope near and curch ant known
cop in c area of sintific &
cultural bet ero.
S CN very will hope thant if if urt in 76, an
in 77 C mostly. of e act will takeplace
P We will be donny on heat to though
C las so we can x pard way w/ emithirs
the Hungay
S Own find problem. hr a
/ 000 ep have The Hangarism pugb
see senting offected be fat Hungasism
is inc US. The Hydrican
proper have appearl wh in transing
wors. wat
hard been distomy we an one your
of morehing armils on of W have about
no rebis NAME of " 12th Cent - with
earlier them IT -16 Cent. Return f r .
Groun joineds world provohed my provine
responsion Hung people +
the you to prid or any to get - come
be the to C project
P
tue your hre
will bala at - sit a see what cen
be dru- J ent in a porting to any
yes at this this we understand
has this is & your
Internal hrutonys livell harbat
&
FORD
GERALD
US
set, Chrinels. # commination then group
Jm are maty w/ Shim &
telm + Beatz already They an they
able when we hope than them
and come k pond this watimoting
S Thank you very much
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"ocrText": "File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library\nMEMORANDUM\nTHE WHITE HOUSE\nWASHINGTON\nSECRET/SENSITIVE\nMEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION\nPARTICIPANTS:\nPresident Ford\nGyula Szeker, Deputy Prime Minister of Hungary\nElliot Richardson, Secretary of Commerce\nBrent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President for\nNational Security Affairs\nAmb. Ferenc Esztergalyos, Hungarian Ambassador\nDATE AND TIME:\nTuesday, May 4, 1976\n11:58-12:15 p.m.\nPLACE:\nThe Oval Office\nPresident: I am very pleased you were able to accept Secretary Morton's\ninvitation to visit. Is this your first visit to this country?\nSzeker: Yes, it is.\nPresident: How long will you be here?\nSzeker: One week. We want to visit New York and Chicago. 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We will have to get the legislation changed, but I\ndon't think Congress will be in the mind to do it in 1976.\nOne point I would like to make -- I would hope we could work out\nbroader cooperation in the area of scientific and cultural affairs\nbetween us.\nSzeker: We very much hope that if not in '76, then in '77 the modifi-\ncation of the Act will take place.\nPresident: We will be doing our best to change the law so we can\nexpand cooperation with countries like Hungary.\nSzeker: One final problem. Hungary has a 1000-year history. The\nHungarian people are sensitively affected by the fact that the Hungarian\nCrown is in the United States. The Hungarian people have suffered\nmuch in many wars. Almost all our national treasures have been\ndestroyed. We are on the path of marching armies and we have almost\nno relics of the 11th and 12th centuries. We have little earlier than\nthe 15th and 16th centuries. The return of the Crown jewels would\nprovoke a very positive response in the Hungarian people and I would\nask you to find a way to get the Crown back to the people.\nPresident: We understand your concern. We will look at the situation\nand see what can be done. I am not in a position to say yes at this time.\nWe understand how important this is to your cultural heritage. I will\nlook at the situation and communicate through the proper channels.\nYou are meeting with Secretaries Simon and Richardson today and you\nhave met Secretary Butz already. They are very able men and we hope\nthrough them we can expand this relationship.\nSzeker: Thank you very much.\nSEGRET/SENSITIVE\nP/O.P.M. Szelar/Micharder\n4 thery 76\nP I every pleased you well whe to a copt\nwortner inventor to val. & this\nyour (\nS yes it is\nP How long will you be here\nS Ow work. W wonth instat uy Chinap\nWe mant is in unitsty No = hype to\nshe sorvey your industrial plants\nP you will see much endresty T you\nyou Stroit area\nS Teris maths is connected w/ ya t are\nwould liker alvern in chea of\nundres eerp- I think providely are\nevent be satio. w/present level use\nare a several country but one than\nof coole wf of is only 1% Byne was\nit used to be 520 we and werking\ntoward an increase\nP shum C twents has hern terrall, when\nthe the has been nine K.\nS Gl home started an this road. we loop\non tracture priel. as/ Sterger of who agri\nup is dring will- Berty unsited Cost\nfall- There are a large # if possibilities\nhere.\n& o ths use pul also mc C. level of , Eth within\nwe should recise which be higher\nlined.\nThe orther possible 3 & are amount of\nyour great efforts to privide MFN we\nwould hh to home it previd\nP. Gilmen every disap. as/c ley insult\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, SEC. 3.5\nNSC MEMO, 11/24/98, STATE DEPT. 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Return f r .\nGroun joineds world provohed my provine\nresponsion Hung people +\nthe you to prid or any to get - come\nbe the to C project\nP\ntue your hre\nwill bala at - sit a see what cen\nbe dru- J ent in a porting to any\nyes at this this we understand\nhas this is & your\nInternal hrutonys livell harbat\n&\nFORD\nGERALD\nUS\nset, Chrinels. # commination then group\nJm are maty w/ Shim &\ntelm + Beatz already They an they\nable when we hope than them\nand come k pond this watimoting\nS Thank you very much"
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