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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Monday, August 30, 1976
9:40 - 10:40 a.m.
PLACE:
The Oval Office
Kissinger: First on Africa.
President: Let me interrupt. We are having a Cabinet meeting. Will
you do a foreign policy rundown? This is for the people on the hustings.
Kissinger: I thought I'd do Korea. How about Africa?
President: What do you think?
Kissinger: I could talk about the problem and not the solution.
President: I think Korea came out well.
Kissinger: No question about it. But now Defense is being mock-tough.
/Described the continual press briefings.
President: Let's wind it up.
Date 1/25/00
Kissinger: On Africa. I will see Vorster on Saturday and Sunday in
DECLASSIFIED
E.O. 12958. Sec 35
again. We have good reports from Nyere and Kaunda. On Namibia we
NSC Memo, 11/24/98, State Dept.
By NARA, 8
Zurich. The question is whether I go on to Africa or send Schaufele
2)
are about 70% okay. On Rhodesia, there is concern that they can't get
the guerrilla movements together.
BRENT SCOWCROFT
CLASSIFIED BY
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 (b) (1, 3)
AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp. to det.
CRET/NODIS/XGDS
2.
What we need to think about is from your political situation. I
don't think the Americans like blacks. I don't want another Texas
situation.
President: I think if South Africa is involved in the solution, the
perception would be different. I think if it is right, we should do it
and the political consequences will come out all right.
Kissinger: Kennedy thinks you should; Connally just says don't stir
up the Reaganites. I can't say we can't wait until November 15, but
if it goes to January, we will be beyond the point of no return.
President: I think it is right. There will be some backbiting but I
think it will come out right.
Kissinger: I am speaking before the Leon Sullivan (O.I.C.) group in
Philadelphia.
President: That is good.
Kissinger: It will be about like my Urban League speech. Then I will
be at a World Affairs Council dinner at night. It will be Q&A and I
hope I can get questions on Carter's foreign policy.
President: Now that we have gotten rid of that son-of-a-bitch Reagan,
we can just do what is right.
Kissinger: I think Carter is vulnerable in a number of areas. I think
you should do about a speech a week. I don't think you should not
campaign.
President: I plan to select the occasions with care, but I do plan to
campaign.
Kissinger: Are you planning to do B'nai B'rith? They have asked me
too and I haven't yet cancelled. I probably won't be here.
President: I believe I am scheduled to do it.
Kissinger: I would do it at a little higher level than previously to Jewish
groups. Tell them what is ahead of them. They are a little suspicious
about getting 150% pledges support. More realism I think would be
appreciated.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
3.
President: You are probably right.
Kissinger: We are in a huge mess in Congress. They are coming after
us
on the Sidewinders and Mavericks for Saudi Arabia. (Gives the
President the Porter cable.)
President: I saw the New York Times editorial today. They want us to
curry Saudi favor to keep oil prices down but then they push the boycott.
Would it do any good to get the Congressmen down here?
Kissinger: I don't think anything else will help. We can cut the number
of Mavericks a little, but not the Sidewinders.
President: Who should we get down here?
Kissinger: Case, Javits, Humphrey.
President: When do we need it? What is the Maverick reduction?
Kissinger: There hasn't been any. But we can say they won't be
delivered until after the current order. The Congressional staffers are
going wild -- on boycott, on nuclear proliferation. It cannot go on.
President: I agree.
Kissinger: You think I should go to Africa?
President: Yes, if there is a good chance.
Kissinger: On Namibia it's almost certain; on Rhodesia I'd rate it a little
better than 50-50.
President: Go.
Kissinger: On SALT, you know what the situation is.
President: I have to get myself back into that.
Kissinger: We got a note from Vietnam. Do you want meetings? We
would say it was for MIA's.
President: As long as that cast was put on it.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
4.
Kissinger: They would raise other things. But we could stick with MIA's.
Of course we could drag it out, and certainly no conclusion would come
before November.
Some of your people think you should talk before the UN.
/Described the drawbacks of speaking to the UN/
President: I am inclined to agree. The odds are about 10 to one I won't.
Kissinger: It can be done if you wish. Scranton is coming in today and
may raise it.
I would vote against Vietnam and I would abstain on Angola.
Say the situation is still the same but the OAU and all of Africa want it,
and you won't stand against all of them. I don't know what your political
people will want.
President: How will it play in Africa?
Kissinger: A veto would not help -- an abstention wouldn't hurt.
Then we have this boycott legislation.
President: It is 50-50 I will veto the tax bill anyway.
Kissinger: Then there is one on the Export Control Act.
President: What is the status of that?
Scowcroft: I will have to find out. I think it is through the Senate.
Kissinger: On Law of the Sea, we have a disaster as head of the
delegation.
President: What can we do about it?
Kissinger: We can manage with him, but the economic agencies want
to grab everything. Defense wants to split the Committee One off.
It won't work -- the LDC's will raise the ante to keep them together.
/Describes what is needed on deep sea beds./
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SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
5.
We can't get the Japanese and Soviets without some sort of quota
system.
President: Is Simon the problem, or his underlings?
Kissinger: Bill I suspect, on free enterprise principles.
President: How soon must we decide?
Kissinger: This session ends September 17. It would be good if we could
make some progress in this session. We might bring Groups 2 and 3 off
and leave Group 1 in condition to be finalized next session.
But the economics people are like this on everything. If Zarb
hadn't tried to grandstand the Iranian oil deal, we would have had a deal
a year ago and we would be making money right now.
Kings article.
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