Ask the Scholar

Document scope · 1 page
doc
Scholar
Ask about this object, its catalog metadata, its source description, or the page inventory. For page-specific OCR and visual context, open one of the page chats.

Scholar Source Context

Document identity
localId
1553547
label
September 29, 1976 - Ford, Italian Foreign Minister Arnaldo Forlani
core
doc
dtoType
document
pageCount
1
Source metadata
id
1553547
contentType
document
title
September 29, 1976 - Ford, Italian Foreign Minister Arnaldo Forlani
collections
Memoranda of Conversations (Nixon and Ford Administrations)
Ford Administration Memoranda of Conversations
subjects
Italy
North Atlantic Treaty Organization. (4/4/1949 - )
Communism
Economics
imageCount
1
hasImages
yes
source
import
hasTranscription
no
Source extras
naId
1553547
coverageEndDate
day
29
logicalDate
1976-09-29
month
9
year
1976
coverageStartDate
day
29
logicalDate
1976-09-29
month
9
year
1976
levelOfDescription
fileUnit
recordType
description
ocrSource
nara-archive
Single page context
seq
1
pageIndex
0
type
document
mediaId
11c633a54c9c5bc8
ocrText
File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library MEMORANDUM THE WHITE HOUSE DECLASSIFIED SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS WASHINGTON E.O. 12958, Sec. 3.5 NSC Memo, 11/24/98, State Dept. Guidclines(Sulser) By KBH , NARA, Date 6/29/99 MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION: PARTICIPANTS: President Ford Arnaldo Forlani, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Italy Amb. Roberto Gaja, Italian Ambassador to the U.S. Raimondo Manzini, Secretary General of the Italian Foreign Ministry Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Charles W. Robinson, Acting Secretary of State Neil Seidenman, [Interpreter]. DATE AND TIME: Wednesday, September 29, 1976 10:30 a. m. PLACE: The Oval Office The White House Forlani: Will you be campaigning during your debate? The President: I will probably go out Monday, do a couple of minor things on Tuesday, and prepare on Wednesday. Then on Thursday I have a fund-raising dinner. [Callaghan call comes in]. I am very sorry. I was about to say I am delighted to have you here and make your acquaintance. I think we have no big bilateral problems. I would like to hear how you see the situation in your country and any other items of interest to you. Forlani: Thank you very much for seeing me. I know your many commitments, especially at this time and I greatly appreciate your kindness. On the Italian political situation, my government is fulfilling its international commitments, including NATO, despite all the press insinuation to the contrary. The fact that it hasn't been possible to set up a coalition government and that we ar e a minority government doesn't SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS CLASSIFIED BY Henry A. Kissinger EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652 EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 (B) (1, 3) AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp. to det. SECRET/NODIS/XGDS -2- affect the integrity of our government. Among the many abstainees is the Communist party. We have made clear this different Communist attitude makes no difference to our policy and relations with the world. If some factor should arise on the international scene, my government would not hesitate to precipitate a domestic crisis if needed to deal with the situation. The first enactment of the new government was to add almost $3 billion to the defense budget. That is one of the most significant actions taken in recent years in support of NATO. These bills provide for modernization of the Air Force and Army and are in addition to earlier bills by previous governments for the Navy and Marines. What I think is of interest is that the restructuring of our Army is getting strong parliamentary support. The President: Including the Communists? Forlani: They are not condemning it. They have a cautious, but responsible attitude. I believe it is interesting that the Communists are adopting a flexible stand concerning NATO. Personally, I am not sure the Italian Communists would like to see the present international equilibrium upset. On the other hand, when I was Minister of Defense I could see this attitude on the part of other Communists, especially Yugoslavia, and to some extent, Romania. The wish they seem to have is that even though they are linked through the Warsaw Pact they don't want the equilibrium upset. Of course one cannot trust what seems to be. We must be cautious, but we do need to observe these trends. Even if within NATO we sometimes have differences -- like between Greece and Turkey or with France -- we see the same differences exist within the Communist bloc; it is not the monolith it used to be. As for our complex internal situation, our comment is to NATO and to overcome our economic difficulties. I think we can overcome our present difficulties. But to do so we need the support of our European allies and most especially of the United States. The Italian people will also perceive this. The President: I am very pleased to hear this and especially your report on your armed forces. For years we have had declining investment in our military. I turned that around. [He described what he has done. ] We intend to be a firm and strong partner. Our public's attitude has SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS -3- changed. The pressures for unilateral reduction of forces in Europe are lessening, though there are some who want to pull out everywhere. It is very helpful to be able to show that we are not the only ones increasing our contribution. We will be strong in the alliance, and must be, because there is no diminution of the threat, even though we see some signs of cracks in the bloc. I am encouraged to hear your report on the Italian economic scene. As I recall, at Puerto Rico, there was less optimism. Forlani: There has been a good business recovery in production and improvement in the financial situation -- in the balance of payments -- since Puerto Rico. Yesterday the Cabinet adopted a severe program to fight inflation -- to increase production and control expenditures and internal consumption. Of course, to control public expenditures and internal consumption, it is necessary to hold wages down, and that takes cooperation with the unions. The President: Do you have wage and price controls? Forlani: We have a cost of living escalator clause. It is a policy we inherited from the past -- when prices go up, wages must rise. For the current government this is the way to make it or break it. Either we get things under control or we'll have another crisis. In yesterday's program, we reduced the size of the deposit fund, starting with 5% and going to abolition in 6 months. The President: I certainly applaud the decisions taken by the Cabinet. I know it was difficult politically. It strikes a responsive chord here and we will be very supportive. Forlani: This for us is decisive. Alone we cannot make it. We must have solidarity with Europe and especially the United States. For the Mediterranean area -- Spain, France, Portugal, etc. -- it is essential to keep the democratic forces alive and have our economic recovery. Only in this way can we keep the Communists under control. The gain in Communist strength in Italy has been directly related to the economic difficulties, the rise in oil price and prices in general. For 30 years SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS -4- we have warded off the Communists, but we were always having economic expansion, but when this crisis came up we almost lost it, but things went better than we had foreseen. As you know, the party in power always has the advantage when there is economic progress. Your growing success in your campaign is due not only to you, but what your Administration has achieved. I have spoken to many Italian friends in New York who see Democrats who will vote for you because you have brought about economic recovery. I hope we can do the same in Italy. The President: I think we have done well and I think our economic progress will continue at a steady pace if we don't succumb to the temptation to make quick fixes. I agree with your comments on the political implications of economic developments. [He described the current economic situation]. Forlani: I followed your debate with Carter. As a whole, while there are differences between you, I wish we had all our parties within the same political range. The President: Please give the Prime Minister my warm regards. Forlani: President Leone sends his very warm regards. The President: Please give him and Mrs. Leone my very best wishes. We are very appreciative of your bicentennial gift of La Scala. It was a magnamimous gesture. Forlani: May I say with extreme frankness and sincerity, for me and the government, we are following your campaign and wish you all the best in the election and for your family. May I express thanks for your help also in the earthquake. One last thing I should mention. After your elections, we must think about Malta. We will have Mintoff with us for a long time now and we should consider how to deal with him. SECRET/NODIS/XGDS = P/Farlani P/ Forlani 27 Sept 76 F will you be companying during you about P I emill kwa goont Woulday, do Q engle unin things Trus, prepare on 3 ed. Then of Theses lane a found raising drive, (Callogher earlo funcs in) Jamery Jorry. I weer about k 7mg I designt to hme your here & make your 2 think us have no big belating pin. I would like to has home yen we the geteration in your writing and ony other items & instruct I you F Thank you why much Pa using the I how you usary controsts, up at this time & & I greatly apric your knowness Our Itation potitivel jet, my gant is forefith its intl centracts, and Nato, dispute all C press intirestion Th c contray Ter pat is has home with to it up ce rabtran gent & that the che a minority your begist affort the integrity f on jest anong c enery abstances is Crnst party. U. U 1 howerall alear this If Crust attach hold no by to am policy + culations w/ C W world. If terrether fertor should orise the e intl zelne, my good world wrt of previo a donites erisis if weeded of otal w/c unt AUTHORITY DECLASSIFIED per ASI memor 11/14/98; State Dept. guidelines (sulser) INFORD BY We NLF, DATE 8/2/09 2 thate The first inactments of e who great and add almott 3 bil D C dy hardyet That is other of - mest they a time taken in recent year in inppat of M Nto. These hills provide for environment of AF & any & are in all dition to larker wills by from govt for Group + Inasing What I thin is of interest is Charte what which form any is getting streng partia support P Incl C Crosts' T1 They erot conduning it. They have meting hut usp. atticule- I helime it intustry that C Chests are ady ting Q fux stand insuring Nato. I int send C It. chests would when to we c present into equalition export Oa other Good, when I way Unit Def. I smill LU this attach on party other Crasts, eng Yugo + to here stent Konnamin The unity The 20 hmc is that even the they hinhed then Warson fact thry dnit wont c equalitien exposit. Percessare connot that what & h. we myt he controls hat we do nadto obsure these trendy. Fever if w/n have we equations have chip - has G-T or Fr, we all C scenne chip spat that FORD w/en c Const hire; it int it used to h. Creding are envylv internal sir, are unitint is to Nato + of ankerwed one lever dif. strik are can over Come am present dif. but to loss me west - support of an En arties & went by of CUS. The It, people will also procere this P Jan very placed Do has Ohis + up your separton your drived pack Forgems WM hmv hnd butting investment in are wil. I turnel that mereral (dvasited what he hradone). wheth A he a frim - story proture. One public attitude has changed. The pressures for unidation addression of forces in Em are thr the due from who wont to sell pull ant they when Is is my helpful the are to show that and are wrte out onls increasing are contration we will he therey where must he hardend them is WA emisition of - threat, the tho an All bours regis of crachs inc he Jermanarged of has your report onc It l core scine. In call at Pento Resd there was has option FORD ? F There has herna your writes woung in production + important in c from int (Bgp) fenal P.R. yestrulary ( Mourt aloght a herry known to first frutual in finton, increase prod, & control expending of ofter cause to contal put. experiment & internal conserption is is have to hold anges amm & that who every w/camins P Do your h have wayst price critines F no, for ens for et was to have agement w/ Garh uning we have a cof h eacable Jame It is a damagerous phy we which from post- when prougo up, wryes that is FR - emergent your this is mure it or herks it, Einter are get this min emothol or will have another visis In Yestindays my, were loreed c sige of digrest find, starting w/5% & your 5 in 6 mr, P & certinity applical c disising Tahm by c entiret 2 how it was chif & stubes a usp chord here + and well he very Hypertend π Fund Pu ros i decision alm are cannot ench it. We himst have servicements us/ Fin + lafe U.S. For c on a - Sp, Fe, Pat, it &T is to help c drug fours abive + hms an lon Income Only in this may can bre hope Erinsts much entral The gain in hot strength in H. has have christh related to L economic dif. - rist in ail prices 1 prices in gerd. Fn 30 your have evanced of - Crest, but 3 were always hring 1 cm x parasion, hat when this erisis country are about Post it, but thing went better them we had from a you how C party on I of every purer always hus advantage girl cr purgress. pub. your georging snccess in gave ensurage is che est only at you but what your has actumid sporen to many It fernit in NY who all deway who will wh In your becard you have brought about & highwer to C suns in stah am P Ithish are hms love well t I Chink et 5 even public will conterner at a thing pare if me don't Inclumb Dr quick fixes. Jayre w/ your examents are prt. english fe in disputs. Coronial memt 1 consit) GERALD LIGRARY ? FORD We think and exp prop hm hum F I formal your different w/ Carter. arawhrk, while three one by. w/cm list you, Enough un had all am parties w/m C down pol. comps P Planee given PM+-PAS any were ugants. F Pers henre sevels his very when reques. P Pline give him was Leave my way hist miles we very apprec of your gift fha Sala It ursa mag. gesting F Znay Isuy w/ smoke extrement fronking + ind formst govt am fathering your and you are last inc lk-tim fe (Thumbs for help) your ferith media One lost thing I should unevtion. after your chiching are writ chink Mont Thalta. We will home United w/us for ce eney time mur x me should consin hm to and w/ him. & FORD