Memorandum of Conversation Between John Finlator, Fred Traband, and Lieutenant Roy Blick

DECLASSIFIED SECRET E.O. 12065, Sec. 3-402 Filea State Dept. Guideline, June 12, 1979 MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION MR. DAWSON By NLT- He NARS, Date 5.10.12 13 1952 Participants March 29, 1950 Mr. John Finlator - PER Mr. Fred Traband - SY Lieutenant Roy Blick, Metropolitan Police Dept. Lieutenant Blick opened the conversation by stating that Senator Lester Hill's Senate Committee which is investigating perversion in the Federal Government called the Lieutenant before the Committee several times recently to testify. He was subpoenaed to appear before the Committee. He stated that the Committee asked him, among many other things, how many perverts he would estimate are employed in the Depart- ment of State. Lt. Blick replied to this question that his own estimation, which is not based upon factual knowledge, is that there are at present between 300 and 400 such persons now employed in the Department of State. He reached this figure on the premise that the U.S. Public Health Bureau estimates that only 1/10 of the people who have Venereal Disease report such Venereal Diseases to the Health authorities and that since 86 known perverts have been discharged from the Department of State ten times that number would be 800, and he cut his estimation in half, which would mean between 300 and 400 people of such a nature in the Department of State. Lt. Blick stated further that the Committee had asked for the Police Department files, and his own personal files on perverts, both in Washington and in the Federal Government. Lt. Blick advised the Committee that the regular police files are a public record, but that his personal files, if he had such, would be confidential and could not be turned over to the Committee. During the present conversation Lt. Blick stated that neither he nor Major Barrett intended to turn over any such files on perverts in the Federal Government to the Senate Committee, and he stated further that actually there are no private files of his in existence. Mr. Finlator asked Lt. Blick whether he had any information on any employees now employed in the State Department which would tend to show that such employees were perverts, to which Lt. Blick answered in the negative. Mr. Finlator further asked Lt. Blick that if he received any such information in the past or in the future, whether he would report such information to the Department of State, to which Lt. Blick answered in the affirmative. Lt. Blick assured Mr. Finlator and Mr. Traband that he did not have any list of State Department employees tending to show that anyone in the Department of State is a pervert. He further assured that if he had such information, it would be given to the proper authorities in the Department, meaning Mr. Traband or Mr. Finlator. Lt. Blick stated that he has always had close liaison with the Depart- ment of State through Mr. Finlator, and that there has been liaison in the last 6 months through Mr. Traband, although not as frequent as it was prior to the last 6 months. SECRET