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OCR Page 1 of 153 14/54: Reel 3, Track 2, Page 1
DR. OPPENHEIMER: Would it be absurd to ask the question whether the system of regional and
topical alliances which have been built up hasn't taken so much of the
reality of international affairs--taker up so much of the reality of
international affairs-that it would be worth re-arguing what the func-
tions of something like the United Nations might be. NATO certainly has
a substantial and intelligible quality that the UN doesn't have.
MR. ACHESON:
What would you say its utility is now, if you are striking a balance?
We 've talked about some of the reasons why it isn't useful. Is the fact
that it brings us together with the Soviet group useful or not? I should
think it was not terribly useful.
DR. OPPENHSIMER: Well, it was useful for George to see Malik, but that perhaps could have
been arranged without the United Nations.
MR. NITZE (?):
I wouldn't say that that was the prime use. I should say the prime use
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is having an official group which can register a moral consensus.
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Certainly at the time of the Korean invasion-this was just of immense
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importance, to have an official group which could render a moral consensus.
MR. JESSUP:
And along that same line it seems to me that if you do, or when you do,
have showdowns with the Soviet Union, at that point you would always want
to rally this moral consensus. If you didn't have the UN, through which
you were working toward that, it would be extremely difficult ad hoc to
create that. And I think in lesser proportion and in less critical moments
you've got some of the same thing. It's an easier way, really, to do some
of the business which involves people all around all the countries than it
is to do it on a purely voluntary
MR. NITZE:
I was much impressed with a remark that John Dickey made a little while
ago when he was describing a speech he had to give out in San Francisco
or Los Angeles to a very hostile audience about the UN. And the argument
that he advanced was that, after Pearl Harbor, the first thing that the
generals insisted upon with Mr. Rossevelt was that we get busy, that the
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