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between our two countries she would adopt a realistic view
towards this treaty. We had been unable to agree on a
treaty for Germany and Austria to date largely because
each of the four powers was afraid that it would lose a
position of strength in those areas which it now held.
In Japan the Soviet Union had no such position and would
lose nothing by adhering to the type of treaty suggested,
and if it took a realistic attitude, it could make a real
contribution towards the relaxation of tensions without
sacrificing anything of importance.
13. Mr. Malik replied by saying that he under-
stood Mr. Dulles but felt that the realistic approach
should be mutual. Ever since the end of the war, United
States military power had flowed in to areas which the
war had left in a state of political or military vacuum
until the Soviet Union was now surrounded by United States
military bases. The United States had a base on Okinawa
but the Soviet Union had none in the Caribbean. American
propagandists incited their people constantly to a fear
of the Soviet Union whereas there was, in fact, no inten-
tion on the Soviets' part to attack the United States or
do anything but live in peace and friendship. The United
States, which was a believer in the "profit system" seemed,
in its international relations, to be an exponent of more
and more profits never satisfied with what it had attained.
14. Mr. Dulles said that, as regards American
bases, sea and air power manifested themselves in a manner
somewhat different from land power. He pointed out that
if the cause of tension resulted from the natural expan-
sion of two dynamic powers, we had probably attained a
state of balance by now and there should be hope of a
stabilization of the situation.
15. Mr. Dulles then said that he desired to
make one more point. He felt that one of the causes of
fear of the Soviet Union on the part of the United States
was the fact that the former was using its great national
power in support of a World-Wide Revolutionary idea that
interfered in the internal affairs of other nations by force
and other means. He felt that there were no serious prob-
lems between the Soviet Union as a nation and the United
States as a nation and that neither had anything to fear
from the other. He did feel, however, that we were justi-
fied in fearing the power of the Soviet Union in support
of an international revolutionary movement.
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