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régime in any country which is going through rapid changes,
unlesa our support is in a vory wide and proportionate
manner in all aspects of the society, not just in politics,
we run the danger of supporting it a3 on alternative to its
solution of its problems and it begins to rely upon us in-
stead of coming to terms with its revolution. So that we
can be the liss of Cooth in a purely political arrangement.
Consequently, our political arrangement must be part of a
much broader approach on economic lines too.
CHAIRM N: Would that lead you to say if there were a
continuance of novement in the area for some such grouping
that It would be better for the United States not to be
part of the group, to perhaps encourage them to go ahead,
but to keep out?
MR. FAIRBANK: I should think it would be excellent
for us to keep out as far as we possibly can, that is,
koop our political connections minimal so we maintain maxi-
mum flexibility regarding any particular régime. A régime
which we begin to support when it looks excellent, if we
support it too strongly, may become reactionary in the
sense of not keeping up with its own situation. We can't
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afford to tie ourselves, it seems to me, to political régimes
beyond the minimal point to get the result you want.
AR. PETFER: Don't you first have to ask this question:
"Would there be any chance of such an alliance?
I
am
1m-
pressed by what Herod found by his own observation, the
lack of any mutuality. Is there any mutuality there except
one, a fosr of Communism and reliance on America? America
may give the kiss of death but can there be any birth with-
out (merica? If that is true, is there anything genuine,
aside from Mr. Buss's point, if we let it go? Under certain
auspices we kill it right away. You ask yourself, would
there be such a bact without our encouragement and support?
If there would not be I should say that would fairly well
define it as unnatural ana not very likely to survive, in
which case we are associated with something that is going
down. I think we ought to give up. If it goes on its own
momentum, if it grows out of its Asian Congress, well and good,
but otherwise not. We ought to keep out until it is
started under its own genius ano power.
MR. MURFHY: I would agree with Mr. Peffer and also
with Ir. Dooker that the political times are not propitious
for either a Pacific pact or for e Goutheast Asian group.
I thinlt it is quite clear that Australia, primarily, and
New Zealand behind her have been very, very anxious for a
Pacific pact. They had a very narrow squeak during the war
when
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"ocrText": "108 capa\na\nrégime in any country which is going through rapid changes,\nunlesa our support is in a vory wide and proportionate\nmanner in all aspects of the society, not just in politics,\nwe run the danger of supporting it a3 on alternative to its\nsolution of its problems and it begins to rely upon us in-\nstead of coming to terms with its revolution. So that we\ncan be the liss of Cooth in a purely political arrangement.\nConsequently, our political arrangement must be part of a\nmuch broader approach on economic lines too.\nCHAIRM N: Would that lead you to say if there were a\ncontinuance of novement in the area for some such grouping\nthat It would be better for the United States not to be\npart of the group, to perhaps encourage them to go ahead,\nbut to keep out?\nMR. FAIRBANK: I should think it would be excellent\nfor us to keep out as far as we possibly can, that is,\nkoop our political connections minimal so we maintain maxi-\nmum flexibility regarding any particular régime. A régime\nwhich we begin to support when it looks excellent, if we\nsupport it too strongly, may become reactionary in the\nsense of not keeping up with its own situation. We can't\nARCHIVES \"NATIONAL RECORDS SERVICE\" AND\nafford to tie ourselves, it seems to me, to political régimes\nbeyond the minimal point to get the result you want.\nAR. PETFER: Don't you first have to ask this question:\n\"Would there be any chance of such an alliance?\nI\nam\n1m-\npressed by what Herod found by his own observation, the\nlack of any mutuality. Is there any mutuality there except\none, a fosr of Communism and reliance on America? America\nmay give the kiss of death but can there be any birth with-\nout (merica? If that is true, is there anything genuine,\naside from Mr. Buss's point, if we let it go? Under certain\nauspices we kill it right away. You ask yourself, would\nthere be such a bact without our encouragement and support?\nIf there would not be I should say that would fairly well\ndefine it as unnatural ana not very likely to survive, in\nwhich case we are associated with something that is going\ndown. I think we ought to give up. If it goes on its own\nmomentum, if it grows out of its Asian Congress, well and good,\nbut otherwise not. We ought to keep out until it is\nstarted under its own genius ano power.\nMR. MURFHY: I would agree with Mr. Peffer and also\nwith Ir. Dooker that the political times are not propitious\nfor either a Pacific pact or for e Goutheast Asian group.\nI thinlt it is quite clear that Australia, primarily, and\nNew Zealand behind her have been very, very anxious for a\nPacific pact. They had a very narrow squeak during the war\nwhen"
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