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whether Communism of the present sort fits into China. I
argue that it fits extremely well. There is certainly
very little cultural basis to it. I am still wondering
about Mr. Rossinger's argument that we must ask the Chinese
Communists before we do anything in India. I think they
have some intentions of their own in southeast Asia what-
ever we do, and I would like to put up the counter
proposition that they are in alliance with they are not
satellites, they are in alliance with - a very powerful
country which is out, by its own admission, for as much
territory and as many people as it can possibly get; it is
one of the facts of life.
MR. ROSSINGER: The statement that I thought we should
ask the Chinese Communists about their Indian policy be-
fore proceeding on it represents a misunderstanding of what
I said. My point was that I felt that the normalization
of relations with China was an important element in our
carrying on an effective policy in other parts of Asia, not
that WG need ask permission.
MR. STUART: I just want to add one sentence to make
it perfectly clear that whatever may develop in China under
Communist control the present Communist leaders are deter-
mined to carry out all the techniques of orthodox Communism
as they have learned it from Russia. The question of
whether they succeed or not is another matter.
MR, BRODIE: It seems to me that so far as our interest
in this problem is concerned, I am certainly sympathetic to
what one might label as the altruistic motives which have
been so generously supported here, but it seems to me also
the question, in its more critical sense, at any rate, is
what are the external alignments of China going to be, and
I say again in that respect whether Communism succeeds or
not in China is comparatively irrelevant. They may fail,
but nevertheless so far as our security interests are con-
cerned the alignment remains very closely Russian and very
definitely hostile.
MR. RUSSELL: Mr. Fosdick, there was a cartoon in the
New Yorker a short time ago, in which a bertender, leaning
toward another bartender, said, "Say, Joe, have you
noticed how 1t takes more drinks than it used to before
they know the answers to the international questions?
I suppose it is on that theory that the Acting Secretary
has asked this group to join him in the North Room of the
Mayflower at six o'clock.
CHAIRMAN
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