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Interview with Lt. Col. John H. Glenn, Jr. 22 but very seldom was it evident and he certainly never talked about it very much. Did anything involving his back ever come to your attention? Colonel Glenn: No, just that one time. I remember Dave had to brace his feet and really pull on the tiller to keep things under control this particular day, and the President would give him instructions as to what direction he wanted to go and exactly how to handle things. That pulling on the tiller, though, was apparently more than he thought he should do. The following day we went swimming off the Honey Fitz (the Kennedy yacht) while it was anchored in the bay. I remember I was surprised when he dived from the yacht deck, which was some seven or eight feet above water level. Mr. Sohier: Yes. While we're talking on the subject of courage, I think one aspect of the President's character that has been noted was his great respect for people with great war records--for example, people who have proven them- selves as courageous in one way or another. You may remember that, at the time of the Billie Sol Estes matter, he defended Secretary [of Agriculture] Orville Freeman at his press conference, and the main thing he mentioned was his war record, how he had half his jaw shot off, and how a guy with that kind of record obviously was a guy that you could have confidence in. It seems to me that his tremendous interest in the space program, his personal interest in you and other astronauts, is related to this very point. Is there any aspect of this that comes to mind in terms of the President's character in this respect? Colonel Glenn: As you say, he was very interested in these areas. He was curious about my background in combat, not so much in World War II but mainly in Korea, where we got into jet air-to-air combat for the first time. He was interested in how this had all worked out and what things were like along the Yalu and so on. He seemed to be

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Interview with Lt. Col. John H. Glenn, Jr. by Walter B. Sohier, General Counsel, National Aeronautics and Space Administration June 12, 1964 Seabrooke, TX

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