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Mr. LIEBELER. I am advised by the FBI that you told them that Lee Harvey
it was after the first time Oswald came in that these kids all got arrested. All
Oswald came into your office some time during the summer of 1963. Would
50 of thein for wearing these clothes?
you tell us in your own words just what happened as far as that is concerned?
Mr. ANDREWS. I don't kriow it was 50. That I can't remember.
Mr. ANDREWS. I don't reeall the dates, but briefly, it is this: Oswald eame in
Mr. Was it a month? Two months? A week?
response
the office accompanied by some gay kids, Mexicanos. He wanted
to
Mr. ANDREWS. No: it wasn't that. Tendaysolt most.
W
find out what could be done in connection with a discharge, a yellow paper dis-
Mr. LIFRELER. I suppose the New Orleans Police Department files would re-
charge, so I explained to him he would have to advance the funds to transcribe
flect the dates these people were pieked up?
whatever records they had up in the Adjutant General's office. When he brought
Mr. ANDEWS. I checked the first district's blotter and the people are there,
the money, I would do the work, and we saw him subsequent
but I just can't get their names. You see, they wear names just like you and I
that, not in the company of the gaykin Reland this Mexicano with him.
wear,cloibes. Today their name is Candy; tomorrow it is Butsie; next day il is
Re
Insumo Mex because the Latins do not wear butch-haironi
Mary. You never know what they are. Names are a method
time came 111 ne was with these Mexicans, and there
of identification. More sight. Like you see a dog. He is black and white
were also some gay kids. By that, of course, you mean people that appeared to
That's your dog. You know them by sight mostly.
LHO'S
you to be homosexuals?
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember what date it was that that large arrest was
Mr. ANDREWS. Well, they swish. What they are, I don't know. We call them
made?
gay kids.
Mr. ANDEEWS. No; every Friday is arrest day in New Orleans. They clean
AIr. LIEBELER. Had you ever seen any of those kids before?
them all up. The shotgun squad keeps the riots, the mugging, and all the hum-
Mr. ANDREWS. None of them.
bug out. They have been doing that very effectively. You can pick just any
Mr. LIEBELER. Have you seen any of them since?
Friday.
Mr. ANDREWS. Since the flrst time they came in?
Mr. LIEDELER. This was on a Friday?
Mr. LIEBELER. Since the first time they came in?
Mr. ANDREWS. It bad to be a Friday or Saturday.
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes
Mr. LIEBELER. In May of 1903?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER You have?
Mr. LIEDELER. After you saw these kids at this big pickup on Friday or Sat-
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
urday, did you ever see any of them again after that?
Mr. LIEBELER. Did they ever come back with Oswald?
Mr. INDEEWS. No; still looking for them. They owe me a fee.
Mr. ANDREWS. No; Mexicanos came back.
Mr. LIEBELER. They are always the hardest ones to find.
Mr. LIEBELER. Where did you see these gay kids after the first time?
Mr. ANDEEWS. They usually pay. They arescrewed in.
Mr. ANDREWS. First district precinct. Police picked them up for wearing
Mr. LIEBELER. What did Oswald say to you about his own citizenship status
clothes of e opposite SCK
You say that he mentioned that the second time he came back. What, did he
Mr. LIEBELER. How many of them were there?
talk to you about in that regard?
Mr. ANDREWS. About 50.
Mr. ANDREWS. They came in usually after hours, about 5, 5:15, and as I re-
Mr. LIEDELER, They Weren't all with Oswald, were they?
call, he had alleged that he had abandoned his citizenship. He didn't say how;
Mr. ANDREWS. No; Oswald-you see, they made what they call a scoop and
he didn't say where. I assumed that he was one of the people who wanted to
put them all in the pokey. I went down for the ones I represented. They were
join The Free World and-I represented one or two of them. They had belonged
in the holding pavilion. I paroled them and got them out.
to The World Citizenship--) explained to him there are certain steps he had to
Mr. LIEBELER. You do represent from time to time some of these gay kids, is
do, such as taking an oath of loyalty to a foreign power, voting in a foreign
that correct?
country election, or some method that is recognized defectively as loss of citi-
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
zenship. Then I told him, "Your presence in the United States is proof you are
Mr. LIEBELER. You say that some of the gay kids that you saw at the time the
a citizen. Otherwise, you would be an alien with an alien registration with a
police arrested this large group of them for wearing clothes of the opposite sex
green card, form 990.
A
were the ones that had been with Oswald?
Mr. LIEDELER. Had he told you he had been out of the country?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
Mr. ANDEEWS. Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER. Were you able to identify them by name?
Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you where he had gone?
Mr. ANDREWS. No; you see, they just--we don't even open up files on them.
Mr. ANDEEWS. No.
We don't open a file. We mark what we call a working file. We make a few
Mr. LIERELER. Since he had been out of the country, the fact that he was back
notes and put it in the general week's work. If you come back and the office is
and didn't have an alien card was proof he was a citizen?
retained, we make a permanent file and--but these kids come and go like-you
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes.
know.
Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember any other part of the conversation?
Mr. LIEBELER. When were these people picked up by the police as you have
Mr. ANDREWS. When he nsked the questions-I don't know which visit it
told us?
was-about citizenship of his wife, I asked the birthplace or origin cited for
Mr. ANDREWS. Let me think. Some time in May. I went and checked the
citizenship purposes-that's what counts-and he said Russia, so I just assumed
records. I couldn't find nothing on it. I believe it's May of 1963.
he had met someone somewhere, some place, either in Russia or in Europe,
Mr. LIEBELER. They were picked up in May of 1963?
married them, and brought them over here as a GI, a GI bride, and wanted to go
Mr. ANDREWS. On Friday.
through the routine of naturalization, which is 3 years after lawful admission
Mr. LIEBELER That was after Oswald had been in your office?
into the United States if you are married, and five years if you are not, maintain
Mr. ANDREWS. After Oswald's initial contact. I think he had come back
the status here in the States cumulatively for 5 years.
with this Mexicano one more time.
Mr. LIEDELER. Did he indicate that he wanted to institute citizenship pro-
Mr. LIEBELER. Before these people were arrested?
ceedings for his wife?
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes; then the second time he came back, we talked about the
Mr. ANDREWS. Yes; I told him to go to Immigration and get the forms. Cost
yellow paper discharge, about his status as a citizen, and about his wife's status.
him $10. All he had to do was execute them. He didn't need a lawyer. That
P.326
Mr. LIEBELER. Now before we get into that, let me try and pin down how long
was the end of that.
527
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