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    "ocrText": "OFn transfer\nFfrd to c.d. Only, so for\n(Untrampened)\n00\n+ new pass. Thrmas leads\non top of stack\nNEW KT (JFK) TRANSPER\nLEADS\nFOR\nTransferred to envelope\n0\nDelivery?\nfor L.J. Duba\nTransferred (w,earhin\nKT material to new\n0 Delivery?\nfile for B.R.)\nPERSONAL\nDistrict Attorney Jim Garrison\n18062 Bluesàil Dr.\nOffice of the District Attorney\nPacific Palisades,\nOrleans Parish.\nCalifornia\n2700 Tulane.Blvd.\nNew Orleans, Louisiana\nNovember 28, 1967\nDear Jim,\nAs I am sure you will see from the enclosed picture,\nthe trip to Dallas was successful.\nOn the eve of the most obvious indication of panic in\nWashington, MoNamara's hasty departure, I feel we are coming closer\nto the end of our search. Some of the critics are weary and familiar-\nity with the ruthless hand of the \"Ministry of Truth\" has brought them\nto an uncomfortable impasse with action. I am sure now that they look\nto your able leadership to reunite them with the most pressing work\nat hand.\nThese are not idle words. I am, in a sense, repeating my\nfeelings which resulted from a discussion with Maggie. She is ex-\ntremely depressed for several reasons, among them the poor showing\nat the party in your honor and the way critics have been, in some\ncases, disunified at the time when their unbroken support is needed\nmost -- to back your investigation. Her greatest dissapointment is\nthat publishers across the nation send her letters praising her book\nas the definitive work on the case and in the same parugraph they\ntell her how it is impossible for their company to \"do\" her book at\nthe present time. Obviously, her book suggests more than the inaccur-\nacies of the Warren Report, it goes beyond that to what people have\ngreat fears about knowing, and shows that there are people walking\naround freely today who could be arrested and convicted for conspir-\nacy.\nBefore I go into the facts of my findings in Dallas let\nme, respectfully, pass on to you a suggestion which I believe could\nincrease the effectiveness of the critics as a group and enhance\nthe progress of the investigation. This is not my own idea, I must\nadmit but a kind of consensus which no one has ever put into words.\nI feel that if this idea could be put into action it would cut out\nsome of the time consumed in problems of personality and communications\nwhich should not hamper such a small staff of such great importance.\nI think that the critics are.a most important group of courageous\npeople, as I know you do, and I feel that if there is disunity among\nthem it should be given some attention. Your time is taxed and exhaust-\ned as if you were the entire faculty of a University but you are one\nman and we must try to avoid every minute of time wasted. You have\ncarried this investigation so strongly on your shoulders that it\nseems to me you must anticipate and avoid future problems that will\ndo nothing but take up time in an unproductive.way.\n-2-\nIt would seem to be a strengthening proposal if it\nwere possible to plan with the critics for future action. A\nway in which the involvement of the individual critics in research\nprojects would be as effortlessly acquired as the assignments you\ngave Maggie while you were here. The creation of a práctical, private\nand efficient form of communication between individuals and your\noffice and from your office to them is almost a necessity at this\npoint. Such a communication system would cement relations between\ncritics and reunite them in their new projects. I realize how totally\nyou have utilized their important research in all of your work but\nit seems now that we must plan for an easier channel of communication\nfor the future which promises to require the greatest efficiency.\nNow the report on my findings in Dallas and other points.\n1) I was always the greatest skeptic on the possibiltity\nConclude\nof the storm sewer. Not because I didn't believe in its\nobvious possibilities but since I was setting out to prove\nPossibly\nor disprove it, I thought I should be most questioning. I\nThe\nnow believe, without reservation, that it was possible for\nFatal\nthe storm sewer to have been used in the murder of President\nShot\nKennedy. I also believe that there is a strong possibility\nthat the fatal shot was fired from this position.\na: the enclosed picture shows that the view from the storm\ndrain includes the position of President Kennedy at the\nEnclosed\ntime his convertilbe limousine passed in front of it on\nPhoto\nElm St. Note that the person in the back seat is visible\nfrom the shoulder up and is forward and to the center of\nthe back seat. I can attest to that as I was the one in\nPerson can\nthe back seat. I will make other supportive photographs\nFit in Drain\nand film to prove my point. (See P.S.) The cavern area\nCavern\nbelow the inlet entrance is a comfortable space for one\nperson (only.)\ntwo seconds b: a car passing in front of the opening of this drain,\nin Sight\nat approxiamately 11 m.p.h. is seen for approx. two\nseconds. Tine enough to aim carefully and fire with a\nrifle or other type of short range weapon.\nPresident's C: The head of the President would have been plainly\nHead\nvisible throughout this two seconds. While that may\nPlainly\nseem a short period of time, the fact that none of the\nVisible\nassassins had more than six seconds should add to the\npossibility that from the storm sewer at a short dis-\ntance of twenty feet or so, it was not a difficult shot.\nd: Photographs taken from the car of a person inside the\nMan in\nsewer and others taken from the south side of Elm St.\nSewer\nshow how a man in the opening would be ever SO slightly\nHidden\nvisible to people as close as the witnesses on the south\nFrom\nside of that street. Even agent Kellerman would have had\nStreet\na difficult time seeing anyone in the sewer opening as\nWitnesses\nthe shadow cast by the roof of the cavern would place the\npotential assassin in darkness to his angle of view.\n-3-\nPresident's\ne: Film taken from the car will show the view\nP.O.V.\nthe President's position looking toward the\nstorm drain opering.\n**\nPresident\nf: Film taken from the storm drain of a convertible\nin\nwith passengers in the same positions as President\nview\nKennedy, Jackie, Agent Kellerman*and Agent Greer*\n(Driver) will show that for that period of two\nseconds the President's head was extremely visible.\nI have also made film of this in slow motion for\nmore careful examination.\nEntrance\ng: Entrance and Exit to and from the drain could\nand\nhave been accomplished as easily by the potential\nExit\nassassin as it was when I entered the storm drain\nmyself on November 22, 1967. I would conjecture that\nit would have probably been easier for an assassin\nthan it was for me considering what we know now about\nthe case (i.e. the Dallas Police.) If there is any\ndoubt I have photographs showing the speedy departure\nof my assistant from the drain. At 6:30 A.M. on at\nday when there was to be much activity in the Plaza\n(the Thanksgiving day Memorial program for the late\nmurdered President) there was little or no traffic\nin the Plaza until after 7:30 A.M. when the first\npatrol car slithered down Elm street under the Triple\nunderpass. By that time we had finished all of our\nwork with the storm drain and were taking some more\ntourist-like photos.\nBreathing\nh: There would be no need for any oxygen equipment in\nthe space of the cavern. If the assassin desired to\nmove further under the Plaza, as would have been\npossible for a rather small built man, he would have\nneeded, in my opinion, some additional breathing\nequipment. The small size of the pipe (15\") would\npositively preclude the conventional type of tank\nequipment used by divers. The pipe of 15\" leads\nfrom the inlet on the North side of Elm St. under\nthe street in a southerly direction toward Main St.\nand then joins an 18\" pipe (after an extention of\n30 feet or so) and finally enters a \"storm drain\"\nof pipe with a diameter or 30\" or 39\". This means\nthat an assassin could crawl through the 30 feet of\n15\" pipe without the aid of any breathing equipment\nand upon reaching the larger diameter pipe of 30\",\nbegin using an oxygen tank which he had previously\n* The car we used in our experiments was not as long as the President-\nial limousine. It had no other similarity to the Presidential Lincoln\nother than being a convertilbe so Greer and Kellerman would have been\nin different positions.\n** See Post Script at the end of this letter\nplaced there. (See attached diagram of subterranean\nprofile.)\nAssassin 1::My personal feeling is that the assassin would have\nEscape\nhad to undergo no risk at all if he simply remained in\nor\nthe sewer cavern (the inlet.) No one could see him from\nRemain\nthe street and later in cover of darkness he could slip\naway easily with the aid of someone coming to pick him\nup. It is apparent to me that the crawl from the inlet\non the North side of Elm St. up under the knoll to the\ncavern behind the wooden fence (photographs to be sent\nshowing this inlet and its possibilities) would have been\nnearly impossible because of the severly cramped space\nin the pipe which is also 15\" and the very long distance\nfrom the street inlet to the grate behind the fence. It\nwould also seem unreasonable to go from the street inlet\nto behind the fence, after the assassination, since the\nattention of the search was concentrated on the area\nbehind the fence.\nThe testimony of Julia Ann Mercer*certainly suggests\nMercer\nthe possibility that a truck, of the kind she described,\ntestimony\nstopped on or about the location of the Northside Elm St.\nStorm Drain Inlet. This is visible in some pictures taken\nimmediately after the assassination which you already\nhave and some more which I am sending you. * (Vol. XIX, 483)\nMiss Mercer stated that the truck parked with its\nwheels up on the curb. We know that the Green Ford pick-\nGreen\nup was parked illegally on two counts: there is no stopping\nFord\nat all allowed on that part of Elm St. and certainly not\nPickup\nin the manner of parking with the wheels on the sidewalk.\nTruck\nIf the conspirators wished to conceal this storm drain\nor its cover for a short period of time this was an ideal\nMeaning\nact. A rifle,a message, or possibly even a person could\nof its\nhave passed through the street opening of the inlet or in\nParking\nthe case of a man, through the uncovered hatch of the\nover Curb\ninlet. I think that the coincidence of the location at\nwhich the truck stopped, the manner in which it parked,\nand the blatant type of distraction of a man strolling up\nthe grassy incline in daylight with a gun case is more\nthan one can accept. All of the Report is too but we've\nestablished that.\nThe most compelling of all evidence is in two\nZapruder\nparts and has been included in your thoughts already.\nFilm\nThe Zapruder film seen in its running, projected form\n(as most films are usually shown except this most im-\nTestimony\nportant of all films, which we are forced to watch in\nClint\n\"serial\" form on the pages of Life Magazine.) and fin-\nHill\nally the explicit testimony of Agent Clint Hill.\n-5-\nBefore I explain the other conclusions I have reached\nas a result of my photographic work and other information I\nwould like to ask you how would be the best way to divulge the\nabove finding. You suggested that I write up my conclusions and\nthe supporting evidence and submit it to Ramparts or Bill Turner.\nI would include, ofcourse, all the supporting photographs and make\navailable to them the film which pertains to that finding.\nMy question is this. Is is best for me to write this up\nand submit the material myself, knowing that my name would be\ndisclosed in the article or would it be better to maintain my\nanonymity for the purpose of future 'investigative assignments.\nI could for instance submit an article to Bill written by Lillian\nCastellano, as she was the discoverer, and tell them not to use\nmy name on the photographs.\nThere is one important related consideration. While I was\nin Dallas, as I had told you, I met with two right-wing oriented\nDallasites. These were friends of Mary S, although if they\nhad any idea of how Mary was using what they tell her to aid in\nher work for you, they would probably have her shot. These two\npeople are new and a man named I. They have done an\nenormous amount of research and have developed enough solid evidence,\naccording to Mary, to indict several people, now! Part of this evidence\nhas been told to Mary as a way of testing her. They knew that if she\ntold you and they saw it later in the press or heard of it in some\nother way, she was not reliable for secrets and, in fact, was probably\nan agent of yours. They are SO right wing (II I calls General\nWalker on the phone daily and addresses him by the nickname of\n\"Teddy\". ) Mary knew that the information these two people had gathered\nwas too important to the solution of this crime to allow to be kept\nfor some futre novel or magazine expose. This type of information\nbelongs in your files for prosecution briefs. She then decided to\nabandon her overt ties with your office and resign herself to the\nvery dangerous job of appearing to help these two people and really\ncollecting all the data so that she could then transmit it to you.\nAs I told you, she has set up a situation where she will be with\none of these people at a time and each of them will tell her things\nwhich they have learned from the other, thinking that each little bit\nof information is something that Mary already knows In this way she\nexpands her own knowledge and can see more readily the direction of\nthose people's investigation I Then to telling you by mail or\nBoxley, or me she can get the information to you. But she feels there\nis really nothing more important she can do for you, and I firmly\nagree.\nThe consideration is this. When I met with these two people\nI was able to win them over to thinking that I was an energetic\nyoung film student from U.C.L.A. who had at considerable knowledge\nof the case, but who, most importantly, had done a great deal of\nwork in regard to the photographic evidence in the case and who\nwas doing investigative work on the possibility of locating an assassin\nin some uninvestigated position that no one had thought of. This\nwhole story interested these two people very much. They quickly took\nme into their little group, as cautiously as they felt neccessary.\n* The names above have been marked out for obvious reasons. = think\nyou already know their names.\n-6-\nThey trusted me because I was a friend of Mary's; because\nI gave a UNITED supert (i) acting job of the average, radical, right-\nwing, young republican, student from the nut-world or California\npolitics. Mostly, they trusted me because they wanted to know what\nI'd discovered. By the way, this was the meeting with Larry F.\nI am aware that Gary S. would like this assignment in Dallas\nand I am convinced he would do an extremely good job. I ask only\nthis. If I have built this rapperrand you have any desire to use it\nfor more penetration of this bizarre group (investigation - a plot\nthat leads most probably to their own back door) wouldn C it be\nto our advantage to divulge my name in the Ramparts article? This\nwould further establish my interest and my work on the case and\nsolidify my base as diverting my affiliation from the\npossibility of my having connections with your office. Or would this\nbe a mistake since these people most assuredly feel Ramparts is\na Communist Journal. Or if you plan to send Gary to penetrate this\ngroup, or no one at all, would it be best that I keep my name a\nsecret. Whatever you dècide I will do.\nOne further point having to do with this subject. While in\nDallas I made some photographs duplicating some of those photos\nin the Volumes attributed to Oswald. The ones he took down a lonely\nrailroad tracks just happened to be about twenty feet from the back\nporch of Harry Olsen's apartment. Turning on that point about 90 de-\ngrees toward the East one sees the turn that the motorcade made onto\nTurtle Creek Rd. Considering that there is an abundance of shrubbery\nbetween this point on the tracks and the right turn from Lemmon Ave.\n(I think) onto Turtle Creek, this very possibly, could have been an\nearlier possible location from which an assassin could fire. There\nis every indication that this would have been an adequate location\nfor the \"Triangulation\" and especially for a speedy escape. I think\nthe only drawbacks are that this is not more than one block from\nGeneral Walker's mansion on Turtle Creek Rd., and that from these\npositions there could be only minimal elevation for aiming.\nI also took some photos of the back of Walker's residence\nas Oswald was to have done. I' took two of the front of his house\none of the side from an alley, and two from the alley in back. The\nview is unmistakably what is printed in the volumes where the myster-\nious \"exploding license plate\" is shown. Unfortunately, General Walker\nhimself, decided as he watched me (and two boys who were assisting\nme - one of then Mary's son) that I was not doing the best thing for\nmy country. He came out of his back door and walked to us standing in\nthe alley behind his house. Realizing the danger of this type of en-\ncounter I walked to him aggressively and told him how pround I was to\nhave the opportunity to meet him. \"General Walker, I certainly never\nthought I would have the chance to meet you, (true). He asked me\nwhat I was doing and I quickly volunteered that I was writing a\nstory about him for the U.C.L.A. newspaper ( I thought that was 2\nlot better than the FREE PRESS) and that I had wanted at picture of\nhis house. I also told him my name and shook his hand. My misfortune.\nHe looked at me totally suspicious but unable to really disbelieve =\nand the fact that I had two teenage boys with = supported my dsten-\nsible harulessness. I asked his 1f he written anything lately,\n-7-\nand explained that I had read everything he had written. I guess\nnow he has written something because this statement on my part\ndid not crystallize his suspicion. He replied, \"I'm working, and\nhe had. an unmistakable feminine manner about him when he replied.\nHe commented that I had gone about my work in a strange way (not\nasking his permission for the photograph) and asked where I was\nstaying. I told him I was staying with Dr. Maxfield, a man who is\na small clinic owner in Dallas along with his brother, very close\nfriends with all the right-wing leaders of the Dallas community\n(according to Mary) and also, strangely enough, the pround possessors\nof an autographed picture of President Johnson. I had stayed at\nthe Statler the week before in Dallas. The Drs. Maxfield had made\nthe reservation for me and had lent me a camera. They had also\nspent some time talking to me in their clinic. All this is because\nthey are acquainted with my father and his work. They usually ent-\nertain my father when he has to make a business trip to Dallas.\nSo my story to General Walker would stand up if he checked.\nAfter he talked to us he said that he wasn't sure of my\nrights meaning that I was standing on his land (the alley) and\nI said I was sorry as I left. I thanked him anyway. The bastard.\nFrom the end of the alley where it met the street I took a picture\nof him standing there. The three of us then went down to the corner\nwhere our rented car was waiting. We got in rather quickly (we never\nran) and began to pull away when Walker turned out of the alley and\ndown the sidewalk. All he wanted was the license number which he\ndefinitely got. I snapped one more picture of him as we pulled away.\nHe didn't see me take this one. we inveliately returned the car.\nMary said that there was no danger in the incident because she\nwould call the girl (one of the two people at the meeting) and she,\nin turn, would call Walker corroborating my good rightist background\nand my intentions to find the truth out about. Oswald's Communist\nfriends. I am sure Mary has done this.\nI wanted you to take this into consideration for the future.\nThere is definitely more photographic work to be done in Dallas as\nI will soon describe. And if you wish me to pursue this infiltration\nin the small group of right wing investigators I will. My established\n\"cover\" will work for me I believe, but that is something you can\njudge much better than I. Maybe I have gotten a little too close.\nIf you do agree that you should assign a man to this Dallas post\nother than Boxley who is well known by these people as one of \"Garri-\nson's men\" then I would be glad to do what I can. As I said I think\nGary could do 2. thoroughly competent job on this also. I do believe\nthis type of liason would be an immeasurable plus for the investi-\ngation.\nThe rest of my findings in Dallas:\n2) I took pictures from the roof of the Dallas County\nRecords Bldg. (film and stills). I took pictures from\nthe second floor of the Dal-Tex Bldg. and from the\nSeventh floor of the Dal-Tex Bldg. I took pictures\nfrom the third floor of the Texas School Book Depository\n-8-\nBuilding aiming out at Elm St. and also looking out the window\nto Houston St. by the fire escape. I was able to take the photos\nof the entire Plaza from the roof of the Records Building because\nI made friends with a negro maintenance man working in that building\nnamed John Luster, 31, an employee of the Building since 1962. His\naddress is 3500 Meadow St. Apt. #205.\nNew witness a) Luster was a witness to the assassination who has\nto the Assass- never been questinned by anyone and was very willing\nination\nto tell what he knew. He said that he heard three\nshots but when I questioned him further he said that\nthey were not single shots they were groups of shots\n(three) which he took to be spontaneously exploding\nfirecrackers. He viewed the President on Houston and\nafter the motorcade turned the corner he heard the\nshots and thinking they were only firecrackers he enter-\nSidewalk\ned the sidewalk, street-level, elevator (no one ever\nElevator\nmentioned this! I have film of him going down it.).\nHe descended to the basement in the elevator along\nwith three other men whose identity he could not re-\nmember. He did think that one or mere of these men\nwere strangers to him. This is puzzling because there\nis really no reason for a man to go down in this ele-\nvator unless he has work in the basement. There is\na much more practical entrance to the rest of the build-\ning around the corner. I still need still photos of\nthis. The roll I took of this did not come out due\nto a camera malfunction. Also on this roll were photos\nfrom the Dal-Tex Building and from the TSBD.\nb) The Dal-Tex Building still photos did not come out\nbut I feel that we must reevaluate our contention\nthat a shot was fired from the second floor and con-\nsider a shot from the seventh. or top floor. The isol-\nation of a small office, one of a row of offices whose\nwindows face out on the Houston St. side. This window\nis well hidden from the street by the shadow cast by\nthe TSBD and because of the fire escape which is attached\ncovering part' of the window. See the Altgens Photo.\nAlso in this sort of office enclosure is a clutter of\nracks of clothing. Perfect soundproofing for any noise\nand also an ideal abundance of place to hide a rifle.\nOn the second floor there is a good vantage point and\nthe shots fired according to the analysis of the Zap-\nruder film indicate that the second floor was a likely\nperch for the assassin. However, this window is in\nplain view of the entire floor of the building (see any\naerial shot of the roof of the buildings and of there\nwere any other spectators on that floor they would have\nseen the assassin or at least would have had any easy\nview of him had they been SO inclined. His getaway would\nhave been difficult if he made any strange movements\nbecause he was so open to any workers on that floor ex-\ncept for the few people in the small front offices just\noutside the elevator.\n-9-\nSince the \"Tague Chip in the curb would line up\nwith either floor (seventh or second) it does not\neffect this observation. The angle of trajectory\nDal-Tex\nwould, most probably, suggest the second floor be-\nBuilding\ntween the two drawing a point from the window through\nConclusion\nthe President's head to the \"Tague chip\". All of these\nobservations do not rule out the possibility of 2.\nfloor somewhere between the second and the seventh in\nthe Dal-Tex Building having been the \"nest\" of the\nassassin. I was able to take these pictures because\nof the very cooperative ladies who are the secretaries\nin the front office of the second floor and because\nthere was some sort of office party on the Seventh floor\nand I was not noticed. I wonder now what kind of office\nparty they would have on November 22, 1967 at about 11:30 AM.\nSince the film did not come out on this building I withhold\nmy conclusions about this until later although I have\nalways felt and still do, that there was at least one shot\nfired from this building.\nc) From the Texas School Book Depository Building I was\nable to take some film and a few stills on the third\nfloor. A rather kind secretary allowed me to do this\nalthough it is against the strictest regulations. On\nthe fourth floor, the highest floor to which the elevator\nwill ascend even though five (incl. the ) are on the\nTSBD\npush-button control panal in the elevator. The fourth\nFindings\nfloor people are well trained and told me to leave the\nbuilding. Then I went to the third. I was also able to\nget into the back stairway by an \"EXIT\" door. This is\nthe stairway Oswald allegedly used. Walking up to the\nfourth floor one finds that the door to continue to the\nfifth floor is completely blocked. Boxes are stacked in\nfront of it as if it was never intended to be a door; and\nto anyone who didn't t know it was there it would not be\nvisible. The freight elevetor is only twenty feet, at most,\nfrom the stairway marked \"EXIT\" I was able to take some\nphotos and some film of the loading docks on both the\nSouth (Dealy Plaza) side of the TSBD and the rear or\nHouston S₁. side. There are two docks. The small street\nthat runs parallel to Elm St. above (north of) the Cement\nPergola not only services the truck entrance for the load-\ning dock but also has 2. back entrance (from the Railroad\nyards to the TSBD) leading out of a make-shift garage. The\nphotos I send you on this will be much more self explana-\ntory than my description.\nd) My findings were along the lines of escape which would\nhave been easily possible from both the Dal-Tex and the\nTexas School Book Depository Buildings. The rear loading\ndocks of both buildings empty onto at point several feet\nnorth up Houston St. from the intersection at Elm St.\nA car coming from the parking lot behind the wooden ferce\n-1.0-\non the Grassy Knoll, following the description of its route\naccording to the testimony of Lee Bowers Jr.\nto his coworker, who now works in the North\ntower, would pass the rear entrance to the\nTwo cars\nmake-shift garage, and then pass the TSBD load-\nfled from\ning dock on Houston St and then pass the load-\nthe Parking\ning dock on the same street from the Dal-Tex\nLot behind\nBuilding and then have an easy drive away from\nthe fence\nthe assassination site and northward to the sub-\nand around\nurbs of Dallas.\nthe rear of\nthe TSBD\nFurthermore, I think that the man Roger Craig\nsaw (Oswald or whoever) was able to exit the TSBD\nCraig state-\nunnoticed by coming down the freight elevator and\nment coincides\nout the loading dock, or the make-shift garage then\nwith possible\ncross the street amidst the other panicked spectators\nOswald escape\nonto the knoll and then down the knoll to where the\nroute\nman was waiting in the Nash Rambler.\nCraig was there on November 22, 1967 while I\nCraig saw\ntook pictures of the memorial service. He was accomp-\nanother\nanying Penn Jones and he pointed out, to both Penn and\nwitness\nme, a man, a negro about 22 years old, who Craig said\nwas definitely a witness to the assassination on the\ncorner of Main and Houston Sts. Penn asked this boy\nhis name and he said Charles Denman. The boy denied\nhaving been a witness to the assassination but Craig\nwas positive. I have three different pictures of this\nboy which I will send you.\nnot There 11/22/63\ne) Behind the Pergola on the end closest to the TSBD and\nH Weisberg\nnot the end at the Parking lot behind the fence there\nis a small wooden shack. There are probably tools and\nSmall Wooden\nequipment inside for Dealey Plaza maintenacne workers\nShack\nor possibly a heating unit or the like. But there is\nTher shack was\na door on both the West and East side of this small\nshack and àiding in it ofaperson orarifle is not at\nand UT mor put.\nall impossible, The doors were all rather worn when I\nhile in T. have\nfirst visited the spot four weeks ago but on my trip\na week ago one of the doors had been replacedwith\nplutures.\n= new and sturdy one, both are well padlocked.\n3) I think I have covered all of the points of this physical\nexamination of the area but.I do feel that much can be developed about\nthe possible exits and entrances which might have been used. With the\ntestimony of some witnesses as support and the probability of various\nescape needs of the assassins it is not difficult to reconstruct the\nactual actions of the assessins. Remember now the street-level sidewalk\nelevator.\nfrom I also think that I can prove to your satisfaction the exact\nspot / which the shots were fired behind the fence by considering the\nrather restricted vantage points of other than of very few precise lo-\ncations. I have film to support most of this and I still need some\nadditional film. I would have done more but as I recounted to you by\n-11-\nphone the arrival of four squad cars of the Dallas Police made\nme think along the lines of escape in a more real sense than before.\nI locked myself in Mr. XXXXXXX's car and he explained to the two cops\nwho were about to arrest his son that they were just taking some harm-\nless photos. I assure you that the Plaza is well watched. But as you\ntold me before we can always move faster than they can so, consequently,\nI have much valuable material safe with me now.\n4) From my meeting with the two people and Mary, I derived\nthe following. Larry F. identified himself in several of the photographs\nthat were shown. All were slides projected onto a screen. Larry F.\nand his wife were there and were totally cooperative. True to the\nirony of the Warren Report he is about the most unlikely candidate for\nassassin since Santa Claus. He did tell an important story of his arrest.\nAfter hearing of the assassination on the radio of the\ncoffee shop where he was having lunch a block away from Dealy Plaza he\ndecided to go directly to the site to see what he could. He ran down\nto the Plaza and stopped at a point in front of the Dal-Tex Building on\nElm St. A policeman who was still reacting to the immediacy of the\nassassination (this was barely minutes later) was instructing people\nto stand clear of the intersection of Elm and Houston as his coords\nwere investigating the TSBD. One policeman asked Larry to hold one\nend of the restraining rope for the side of Elm in front of the Dal-\nTex Building. He did this for about three minutes until more police-\nmen arrived on the scene and one of them took the rope from him. Be-\ncoming once again aware of his own situation Larry decided to call his\nboss at the Bank where he worked to tell them he would not be back to\nwork that afternoon. He asked a lady in the doorway of the Dal-Tex bldg.\nwhere a phone was. She said he could make at call on the third floor from\nthe office phone where her desk was. Larry and the lady rode up in the\nelevator with several other people, some of them possibly policemen but\nLarry is not sure. After the elevator stopped on some of the lower\nfloors it stopped on the third and he got out along with the lady. She\ndirected him to her desk in an office and told him he could use the\nphone. She then left him alone in the office. As Larry picked up the\nreceiver a man entered the office and asked him what he was doing, he\nwas wearing a work shirt of some kind and gave the impression of having\nsome authority there. When Larry told him he just wanted to make a call\nthe man told him to leave the building. The man's tone was curt and ra-\nther stern for the situation. Larry then proceeded down the elevator\nand out the same door on Elm St. He stopped to ask someone where 2 phone\nwas and as someone told him there was one in the Records Building across\nthe street a man, almost positively the same man from the third floor\nwho had told Larry to get out, leaned out the third floor window and\nyelled loudly to the Policemen there, \"There's your man\" and pointed\nto Larry. The Police quickly grabbed Larry and placed him under arrest.\nThey walked him down Houston street to the jail (Sheriff Decker's office\nas people jeered and spat upon him. There were several clear pictures\nof the arresting officers leading him towards the Sheriffs office. After\ndescribing this part of the story Larry told us that he was kept in\nDecker's office until about 7:30 P.M. that evening when he was released.\nHe said he was the last to be released and that the others (about ten\nother men) were released a few minutes earlier. Larry had to wait those\nextra few minutes while they brought him his coat or something like that.\n-12-\nLarry could not describe the other men very accurately, he\nclaimed his memory of the incident was not clear because he was\nmainly upset with his own situation. None of the men he was held\nwith talked to each other nor to him. He did mention that all the\nother men were dressed extremely sloppy and that he was the one\nwith a plaid or checked sport coat and an overcoat. Larry said that\nif there was anything we would like to ask him at any time he would\nbe willing to help.\n5)\nConsidering all of the above I want to propose another\nproject for your evaluation. I have already begun to make a film for\nmy UCLA project, as you know. I had intended to make it a vehicle for\nshowing the Moorman Blow-ups and still feel it should be. Enclosed is\nthe Free Press treatment of the Blow-ups which I know you must have seen.\nHowever, what would you think of this. A film suggesting, not definitely\nor factually restricted, what type of activity might have taken place\nin the instrumentation of the assassination and the escape of the var-\nious assassins. That is, a pictorial view of the physical location of\nDealey Plaza (realizing that it will soon be destroyed - do you know\nthat the Dallas City Council actually sent a telegram to Mrs. Kennedy\nasking her to dedicate the new John F. Kennedy Parking Gzrage!!!) In-\ncorporated in this film would be the disclosure of the possible use\nof the storm drain; entrance, use and escape; the positions and viewpoints\nof each assassin behind the fence; the possible use of the grate to\nthe storm drain behind the fence; the view of Lee Bowers of the escape\nof the two men behind the fence and the path the cars took as they left\nthe parking lot; then possibly picking up each assassin from the docks\nof the TSBD and then the Dal-Tex building continuing on northerly away\nby surfacing up the street level elevator and walking down Houston street\nfrom downtown Dallas; The escape of the essassin from the Records building\n(possibly not using the elevator to emerge but rather for Jack Ruby to\ndissappear after viewing the assassination - as seen in Willis #8) then\nseeing the corner of Commerce St. where a Nash Rambler picked up a man\n(ref. \"Three Assassins Killed Kennedy\" Sat. Eve. Post) and watching the\nNash Rambler continue down Record St. turning left onto Elm St. con-\ncomes down the incline from the Southwest loading dock and gets into\ntinueing down to the Grassy Knoll where a man (Oswald or Second Oswald\")\nthe car.\nAll of these things could be supported by narrative explain-\ning the testimony to support this curiously well fittin arrañgement of\nthe puzzle pieces. Intercut into the actual scene of the shots and that\ntime period would be the view point of President Kennedy himself, as\nhe saw the men behind the fence, dramatically augmented by the use of\na ZOOM technique and also the view of the man in the storm drain open-\ning. Cuts of the pictures in the Life Magazine photographs of the\nassassination from Zapruder, Hughes, Towner, Willis etcetera would\ngive the film better sense of reality of the incident and would help\nto locate the audience viewpoint. Finally, the showing of the blowups\nfrom the Moorman Photo without explanation, merely starting with the\noriginal photo in its entirety and proceeding 01 to the gradual devel-\nopment of enlargement after enlargement would dramatically indict the\naudience to move from their apathetic uselessness to some sort of feel-\ning which might cause them to act on what they have seen.\n-13-\nThis would be an alternative to the Ramparts article or\ncould be an additional introduction of the discoveries. I will\ndo whatever. you feel is the best in your judgment.\n6) I have had considerable trouble locating the \"grip\" from\nthat Man From U.N.C.L.E. show who told me about the Wash-\nalso pass to our Lanadian deub.\nington caper. I do have a phone humber now and will pursue that.\n?) The radio announcer in Santa Barbara has turned up some\ninteresting information which is probably periferally related to\nthe whole. He is writing it up and will send it. I will relay that\nto you.\nIMPORTANT\n8) As I told you on the phone the FREE PRESS, more specif-\nically Paul Eberle, Advertising Sales Manager and reporter, received\na telephone call from an anonymous caller. This man was German and\nabout forty or fifty from his voice. He stated that he had immigrated\nFn Lead files II\nto the U.S. in 1963 and met with a friend of his upon arriving. This\nfriend was a Lutheran Minister from some Southern state (not told)\nThe minister tried to disuade this man from immigrating saying that\nthe President (JFK) who was a bad man, a Communist sympathizer, as\ncoing to be assessinated \"in a few months by persons known to him.\nThis statement was made 4 to 6 months prior to the assassination.\nThe caller described this minister as as hokosexual, and said that he\nWSS, as ne described the potential assassios, hti-Kennedy, Right-wing,\nand rather outspoken. The caller said that the minister was definite\nabout his prediction not speculating idley. The caller said that the\nminister's name was ARNOLD HAVEANKE, and said that he 20% resides in\nTORONTO, CANADA. This call took place on Saturday, November 25, 1937.\nGreater importance is realized in relation to this call when we exam-\nine the exhibit of SETH KANTOR, VOL. XX, page 376, where, in Kantor's\nnotes he states, \"Ask Fritz who.N.C. preacher was tipped about mail\norder purchase. This is under a section where Kantor is making notes\nregarding the discovery of the rifle. Finally, the caller to the\nFREE PRESS, would not give his name and when pressed by Faul Eberle\nto do so, offered his phone number which he said was (Los Angeles area\ncode 213) 527-3877. Upon checking this number I found that no such\ncombination exists in L.A.\nZuhene is Kants Aid ke ask.\n8) I would strongly recommend that you call KROMAN at his\nlatest Cleveland, Ohio, number as contained in my Memo to you. The\nnumber IS Area Code 216 -- 333-2833. I feel that there is much you\ncan extract from the material this man has gathered and that his\ncaution in contacting you is not unreasonable considering what his\napparent experience has been in the past. His actions when he first\ndisclosed that he had this information (i.e. a press conference) were\nrather strange but possibly he felt that was of way to issure his\nsafety rether than endanger it, In any case he wants only that you\nCall\ncall him, his request was for a personal call rather than one from\nme or anyone on the staff, and that he be granted. immunity Enom her\ning put on the witness stand so that he could divulge his information\nto you and not risk his own, personal well-being any further.\n-14-\nmake until\nMay\n9) Maggie and Ray Marcus and possibly some others have suggested\nthat you make a more public statement about the possibiltiy- the\nGovernment producing, for all to axamine, at long last, a set of totally\nmy\nfalse X-rays and photographs consistent with the false findings of the\nphony Report. I realize that you made this statement clearly in your\npiece \"Liberty and Justice for All\", which is a fine, fine work and\nshould be published, but I know that Maggie and myself feel that it\ncannot be said enough. Especially when you are in a television inter-\nview situation where you make reference to the X-rays and the photo-\ngraphs in connection with the Commissioners attempt to maintain their\ninnocence. It would be advantageous that in the same interview, where-\never tactically best, you told of the drastic measures to which the\ncommission and their aides went to alter the evidence (i.e. the explod-\ning trunk of the Chevy in Walker's driveway) and explained that it\nwould be nothing for the Government with all their facilities and\nendless blank check of the taxpayer's money to produce an infallible\nset of x-rays of the shot's path directly from the sixth floor of the\nTSBD. This would be an instance where another murder, that of the\nphotographic subject, would definitely be in the \"National Interest. \"\n10) Maggie reminded me that Harry Olsen lives in Long Beach,\nand could be questioned anytime. Maybe, you would want to do this\nthe next time you're here.\n11) My brother, Andrew Jaffe, Newsweek, Atlanta Bureau, has\nmet with me this last Sunday. He is firmly convinced that the Sat.\nEvening Post Article is the truth and that there should be a new\ninquiry. He is firmly convinced that you are the best thing this\ncountry has going for it. He will do anything to help. He is in\na precarious position. Aynesworth, he predicts, will be taken off\nthe assignment of the assassination because Newsweek will want to\nchange their position subtly as they have already begun to do when\nthey covered the Thompson book. My brother said that if you have\nany information that you want to break in an important way via the\nmagazine he will write the story and submit it just as you approve\nit. He will quit if it s1 altered and printed in an untrue manner.\nMost of all, he hopes that you will give him something to connect\nOswald and Ruby, since he understands that any evidence that might\nprejudice the Shaw trial is not possible. He thinks there is a good\nchance that if Aynesworth is bounced he will get the assignment as\nhe is the number one investigative reporter in the sourthern bureau.\nUp to now his assignment has always been the Civil Rights outbursts.\nIf you would like to talk to him or to tell him to tell the magazine\nto go to hell he is at your service and promises that he will never\ndivert from the path of strict objectivity. Nice, that he has finally\ncome around, even though it is plenty late for any man who thinks.\n12) Maggies book remains unpublished, is there anything we\ncan do? It's as criminal as the rest of this murder.\n13) Clauder Culpepper is forever exposed. Enclosed is an\narticle from the Thanksgiving day issue of the Herald Express. Not\nthe L.A. Times. But more important, the L.A. times (small 't' inten-\ntional, it's all they deserve) has editorially, endorsed the \"holes\"\nin the Report. True to their castrated dature they call for Thompson\n-15-\ncontinue his investigation and when he is finished to tell us all\nhow it came out. The bum that wrote this article makes the same\ndamn mistake all of thèse capons make when he says that your inves-\ntigation fascinates him (rather feminine reaction) but that he did\nnot read enoughtevidence in the newspapers to convince him that, as\njudge, jury and defense attorney, he should convict the defendant.\nAt least the Goon has the direction now and if idiots like this one\ncan find it, it should follow that the rest of the press has a chance\nto find it.\n14) There is a book on the paperback stand in Dallas which I\nhad not seen prior to my trip there which tells the story in a fiction\nform but probably comes closer than much of the non-fiction about the\ncase. \"The Trumpets of November\" -- \"The Militants\" (double titled)\nis written by Wesley S. Thurston (his life is sort of on the rocks I\nshould think if he plans to reside in Texas). I won't bother you with\nreading it - I will do that first and tell you what is important about\nit but I will quote what it says on the cover.\n\"This is fiction. But the fantastic events of that terror-\nridden day in November when our beloved President was murdered were the\nfulfillment of THE MILITANTS satanic plot and could have been true. Con-\nsumed by hate and strange lusts, the conspirators of THE TRUMPETS 03\nNOVEMBER head for a street in Dallas. \"BACK COVER: \"TCO FANTASTIC? All\nretired American general masterminds a plot for the violent take-over\nof the U.S. President John 3. Kennedy heads the list of those to be\nmurdered. A top reporter has the facts in hand but cannot stop the\nevents of NOVEMBER 22, 1963. A daring departure from conventional\nfiction, THE TRUMPETS OF NOVEMBER projects what is known - and not yet\nknown - about Kennedy's assassination into a novel of treachery, terror-\nism and psycho-sexuality no more incredible than the daily headlines.\nIn conjunction with the totally incredible, but very true,\nchronology and analysis by Joachim Joesten in his case against you know\nwho, I feel that this book has something to say. Just the cover is enough\nto let people have a bit of the shock. Joesten is truly a genius when\nit comes to incite in this case.\nI am contacting that lawyer in L.A. to continue with our\ninvestigation of that thing. We will be subtle and make sure not to\nlet the slightest hint of our objective slip. I will not even tell him\nwhat he is looking for exactly, just to hunt for evidence of Shaw.\nWould you do IIVE a favor on the lines of the draftboard\nletter? I need at copy of the letter so that I can give it to my lawyer.\nHe will then tell me what to do to get reclassified but I do need the\ncopy as soon as it would be possible to send it.\nI will send photos 23 I make then and I will show what\nwe have developed to the \"Ntonion\" who is interested as you well know.\nMaybe he will be motivated to help with the film.\nI hope you are feeling better but I think you will have to\nget rid of your cold here. Can you let me know the date you planto come\nby some secret way? I will then make whatever plans you require and you\nwill be able to use the house whenever you like from now on: You are\n-16-\nYou are welcome to bring your family if you like and if\nthat is desireable to you. I have contacted the girl who did some\nresearch for us here and she continues her research and wishes you\nwell.\nThank you for bearing with this rather long account of\nall that I felt I should relay to you. I leave you with these words:\n\"Terror is not a new weapon. Throughout history it has\nbeen used by those who could not prevail either by persuasion\nor by example. But inevitably they fail, either because men are\nnot afraid to die for a life worth living or because the terror-\nists themselves come to realize that free men cannot be fright-\nened by threats, and that aggression will meet its own response. \"\nJohn F. Kennedy\nInevitably they fail.\nRespectfully yours,\nSteve\n8PM\nP.S. 11/29 I have now viewed all the film from my last visit to\nDallas. I was unfortuneately not familiar enough with this new\ncamera to realize that for that early hour of the morning I would\nneed a special (fast) film to capture the car going by the storm drain.\nI have also found that due to a camera malfunction the stills\nof important viewpoints from the Dal-Tex Bldg., the Roof of the Records\nBldg.; the TSBD loading dock; the street elevator on Houston St.; and\nfrom the storm drain did not come out satisfactorily. In the case of\nthe stills the film had torn inside the camera and the movie film was\njust too dark.\nI spoke tonite to Mary and she is making arrangements for me\nto return to Dallas a week from this coming Friday, on December 8th.\nI should stay there for the three days of the weekend. I will film\neverything that I lack from the last trip and I will try to meet again\nwith those two people. Baring unforseen interference I will plan every\nbit of photography very carefully SO as not to draw attention and I will\nspread the shooting out over two days so that I can do a little both days.\nUnless I hear orders from you to the contraire I will assume that you\napprove but I will not divulge my affiliation if I am caught (still a\nsimple U.C.L.A. film student with strange interests.) I enclose the\nreceipts from the last trip as you asked. I understand the financial\nsituation 30 I ask no reimbursement for this trip -- Mary has offered\nsome help and I have enough for the film.\nThe lawyer we talked about has some definite ideas about how to\nget some financial help for the film work I have been doing and I will\nclear any offers through you. I think also that Intoni will have some\nideas along that line -- not for any project of a big film but just to\npay for the several hundred dollars of film that I have already done\nand will need to do of still photos and for sound.\nYour testimonial for Maggie's book cheered her considerably and\nshe is very grateful. She is writing you a letter and she will be leav-\ning next Monday.\nI near that Mort did not get the bums off their duffs in N.Y. and\nis on his yes back here. I hope can give him soze support here. ST\nMEMORANDUM\nRo: Kerry Thomber\nJuly 7, 1967\n(Analognes SCUNARIO to whitent\nfurniture stone in Dallar)\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM: JIM ALCOCK, Executive Assistant District Attorney\nRE:\nClifford Joseph Wormser, Rt. 6, Box 584, Old Gentilly Hwy.\n242-4418 (Business & Residence)\nOwner of Cliff's Junkyard\nOn July 7, 1967, at approximately 3:00 P.M. I interviewed\nMr. CLIFFORD JOSEPH WORMSER in the office of Louis Ivon. During\nour interview MR. WORMSER'S attorney, SALVATORE PANZECA, was\npresent. MR. WORMSER is the owner of Cliff's Junkyard located at\nRt. 6, Box 584, Old Gentilly Highway.\nQ: Month?\nIn the summer of 1963 MR. WORMSER owned a junkyard\nbearing the same name at 3800 St. Ferdinand Street in the City of\nMAY NOTE: BE 4;\nNew Orleans. As remembered by MR. WORMSER, sometime in the month\nof September 1963 LEE HARVEY OSWALD, his wife and baby, and two\nother males came to the junkyard and sold MR WORMSER a 1955\n1 then quest\nPontiac stationwagon) for junk. MR. WORMSER cannot recall the\nthe\nspecific date this transaction took place.\nQSWALD, his two companions and his wife and baby came to\nto who\nthe junkyard in an old model car at about 4:00 P.M. Upon arrival,\none of Oswald's companions, a dark complexioned male, (probably of\nLot 1 c/o,\nLatin extraction), addressed MR. WORMSER by the name of \"CLIFF\"\nand said that they had an automobile that they wanted to sell for\nat be significant\njunk. The stationwagon to be sold was pushed to the junkyard by\nanoth fashing\nthe car OSWALD was riding in. OSWALD was not the driver of the\nto in California\nin KT in suppoud\ncar. The Latin indicated the car to be sold belonged to OSWALD.\nOSWALD and his other male companion did very little or no talking\nat all.\nby )\nAt one point MRS. WORMSER started for the car in which\nMRS. OSWALD and the baby were seated in an apparent attempt to\nstrike up a conversation with MRS. OSWALD. At this time the Latin\ntold her than the woman would not understand her because she was\nRussian and did not speak any English.\nThe car was sold for $15.00 after OSWALD and the Latin\ntook two tires from it. All told, OSWALD and his companions and\nwife and baby were in MR. WORMSER'S presence for about a half hour.\nMR. WORMSER has never conveyed this information to any\nFederal Agency.\nMALE #1 DESCRIPTION\nAbout 5'6\" tall\nDark Complexion (Latin type)\nBlack curly hair\nApproximately 165 lbs.\nStocky frame\nApproximately 23 to 25 years of age\nWearing dirty clothes, somewhat similar in\nappearance to a mechanic who had been working\non automobiles.\nThis man spoke English without an accent.\nNo noticeable scars.\nMALE #2 DESCRIPTION\nLong Blond hair and long sideburns\nAbout 5'10\" tall\nVery slender Build\nApproximately 22 to 24 years of age\nNo noticeable scars\nOSWALD'S DESCRIPTION\nSlender\nBlondish, Sandy hair\nFull head of hair\nWearing khaki pants and a sport shirt of unknown color\nAppeared to be approximately 27 or 28 years of age\nNo noticeable scars\nNeat appearing and no growth of beard\nMR. WORMSER stated that the woman in the car with the baby\nappeared to have black hair but could not furnish any further\ndescription. The baby appeared to be a very tender age.\nMR. PANZECA at the outset of the interview informed me\nthat MR. WORMSER would probably be used as a defense witness in\nthe SHAW trial. The obvious strategy here being that if the man\nidentified as OSWALD by MR. WORMSER was, in fact, LEE HARVEY\nOSWALD, and he did not have a beard at this time, it could be\nused to impeach the testimony of RUSSO who described OSWALD as\nhaving a slight whisker growth at the meeting in DAVID FERRIE'S\napartment.\nMR. WORMSER does not believe that he could identify\neither the Latin on the other male with the long blond hair if he\nsaw them again today.\n4\nCONFIDENTIAL\nMEMORANDUM\nR:SHAW\nTHORNLEY\nApril 11, 1969\nOSWALD\nJULES KIMBLE\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDREW SCIAMBRA, Assistant District Attorney\nRE:\nSHAW LEADS II\n23) MRS. JEANNE KELTON LEAD:\n$9.\n(See SANDERS' Memo of 4/11/68)\nMRS. KELTON lived at 905 Governor Nicholls\nStreet from 1963 to 1966. She said that\nSHAW used to visit a young man who lived in\nthe apartment building quite often. She\nsaid that the young man was \"gay\" and referred\nSHAW:\nto SHAW as his \"patron\". MRS. KELTON doesn't\nremember the boy's name, but she said that\nJOHN CARTER who also lived at 905 Governor\nNicholls could also give us some information\non this gay friend of SHAW's. MRS. KELTON\nalso remembers seeing SHAW going in and out\nof Cosmos' Bar on several occasions.\n24) DR. JACOB HAROLD KETY LEAD:\n(See SANDERS' Memo of 2/14/68)\nDR. KETY told SANDERS that GREG DONNELLY who\nlives in Abita Springs, could give us some\ninformation on CLAY SHAW. DONNELLY said that\nhe knew CLAY SHAW when he was poor and before\nSHAW was \"adopted\" by BRENT. DONNELLY, who is\ngay, lives with CARL CRAMER, a sculptor, and\nopenly says that they are married to each other.\nTheir phone number in Abita Springs is 892-2187.\n25) JACK FRAZIER LEAD:\n(See FRAZIER letters of 1/1/68 and 12/29/67, SANDERS'\nmemo of 3/6/68, Sciambra memo of 9/16/68 and REID\nmemo of 9/25/68)\nPerhaps some time should be spent cultivating\nFRAZIER. He could be a good source of information.\nHe ran the Ryder Coffee House where, according to\nseveral people, OSWALD frequented. He was a\nThornlay:\nfriend of THORNLEY, WILL BRADY, IVAN COTTMANN,\nHOWARD COHEN, JOHN CAMUS, and HELEN GLADSTONE\n(all Ryder House regulars). One rumor was that\nhe took a trip to Mexico with OSWALD and\nCOHEN (he has denied this). He has said\nthat he believes BRADY's deportation and\nOSWALD's leaflet distribution are connected\nin some way. He said, \"I think that BRADY\nwas deported because the CIA wanted him out\nof the country.\" According to DAPHNE\nSTAPELTON, who lived in one of the Ryder\nHouse Apartments, OSWALD came to the Ryder\nHouse one day and asked her \"Is JACK here?\"\nWhen she said, no, OSWALD then wrote his\nname on a piece of paper and told her to,\n\"Give it to JACK and tell him I was here.\"\nFRAZIER has denied all of this to Barbara\nReid and Harold Weisberg, however, he did\nsay that as best as he can remember, he has\nnever met LEE HARVEY OSWALD, but he cannot\nrule out the possibility.\n26) HOWARD COHEN LEAD:\n(See FRAZIER letter of 12/29/67, Sciambra memo\nof 9/16/68, Reid memo of 9/25/68)\nCOHEN's name has come up several times in\nconnection with OSWALD. He worked at the\nRyder Coffee House and lived in one of the\nupstairs apartments. He was a friend of all\nthe Ryder House regulars. He led a Marxist\ndiscussion group at the Ryder House.\nCahen re OSWALD\nAccording to STAPELTON, OSWALD went to\nCOHEN's apartment looking for him one day,\nbut COHEN was not at home. A last check,\naccording to Reid, COHEN was in Japan.\n27) JACK BURNSIDE LEAD: (See BURNSIDE memo)\nBURNSIDE in my opinion is worth talking to\nagain. He was a friend of all the regulars\nat the Ryder Coffee House, especially\nTHORNLEY. JACK FRAZIER pointed him out as\nsomeone who may be able to give us some\ninformation on OSWALD and THORNLEY. He was\nsupposedly in Fong's Restaurant on Decatur\nStreet with THORNLEY when OSWALD came in to\nmeet THORNLEY. He told this to someone and\nsaid that THORNLEY introduced him to OSWALD,\nhowever, when confronted with this by Weisberg\nand Reid, he denied it.\n28) JOHN CAMUS LEAD: (See FRAZIER letter of 1/1/68)\nScinhe\nCAMUS worked at the Ryder Coffee House as\na photographer. He was a friend of all the\nregulars, especially BRADY and THORNLEY.\nSupposedly he or HELEN GLADSTONE, who took\ncare of BRADY's affairs when he was deported)\nhave negatives of the pictures that he took\nat the Ryder House. (Reid knows how to\ncontact him)\n29) IVAN KOTTMANN LEAD: (See SANDERS' memo of 3/6/68)\nIVAN had a discussion group at his apartment\nat 514 Bourbon Street every Friday night.\nHe frequented the Ryder Coffee House and\nknew all the regulars, especially THORNLEY.\nIf no one has talked to him, he is worth\ntalking to.\nKOTTMANN allegedly is gay. (Reid may be\nable to locate him.)\n30) WILL BRADY LEAD: (See BRADY file)\nBRADY could be a good source of information\nScientri\nespecially in regards to SHAW, OSWALD and\nTHORNLEY. He is now in New York, and\nWeisberg has his address. He is worth\ntalking to if someone is in the New York\narea.\n31) PAT and PATTIE GLEASON LEAD: (See Reid memo)\nThe GLEASONS lived in an apartment above the\nRyder Coffee House. According to STAPELTON,\nPATTIE was with her when OSWALD came to the\nRyder Coffee House and asked her for JACK\nFRAZIER Subsequently, the GLEASONS were\nsupposedly seen sitting at a table with\nOSWALD and \"a couple of other people\" in the\nRyder Coffee House. B (Reid may be able to\nlocate.)\n32) LONNIE GOLDFINCH LEAD: (See Reid memo)\nalford\nGOLDFINCH is an ex-FBI informer who also\nworked for GUY BANNISTER. He is supposed\nto have known OSWALD in New Orleans. He is\npresently living in Kansas City and Reid is\nattempting to get his address for us.\n49\n33) RICHARD KARNO LEAD: (See Reid memo)\nKARNO was connected with the Modern Language\nInstitute through his friendship with ARNESTO\nRODRIGUEZ and ROGER LOVIN. He supposedly met\nOSWALD at the Napoleon Street Branch Library\nand was seen with him at the Ryder Coffee\nHouse. (Reid can locate.)\n34) DAVE GRAYDON LEAD: (See prior GRAYDON memo)\nWe have already talked to GRAYDON in regard\nto WILL BRADY who used to be his roommate,\nhowever, we have not talked to him in regard\nto EDDIE PORTER whom he knows from the Penny\nArcade on Royal Street. He says that PORTER\nknew BRADY and some other people from around\nthe Ryder Coffee House. He might possibly\nknow PORTER's friend JOHN, from the Arcade,\nwho was a friend of OSWALD's. He is presently\nliving at 1408 Pauger Street, New Orleans.\n35) GOLDEN LANTERN LEAD:\n(See KIMBLE memo of 10/10/67 and SOULE memo Chris Blake\nof 4/8/69)\nKIMBLE supposedly was introduced to SHAW\nby FERRIE in late 1960 or early 1961 in the\nGolden Lantern Bar at 1239 Royal Street (which\nKIMBLE:\nwas a gay bar). The owner of the bar at that\ntime was Joseph A. COLON. Perhaps he can\nhelp us in this matter or know someone who\ncan.\n36) COURT OF TWO SISTERS LEAD:\n(See COURT OF TWO SISTERS file)\nWe have received information from numerous\nsources that LEE HARVEY OSWALD was in the\nCourt of Two Sisters One of the waiters\n(See FRENCHIE TOUZE memo) identifies the\npicture of THORNLEY as a waiter who used to\nRo: THORNLEY\nwork at the Court However, TOUZE adds,\n\"When he worked at the Court his hair was not\n(Su Frenchy\nlike this\" I suggest we talk to the following\nToreze memo)\nemployees:\nJOSE PEPE MAYORAL\nJORGE MAYORAL\nHAROLD SANDOZ\nRUBEN MORALES\nHENRY AVERY (who dislikes Thornley)\nLOUIS CASTILLO (who may be related\nto CARLOS CASTILLO whom THORNLEY\nworked for)\nReid and I have been talking to MARGARET\nTANNENBAUM and MARY MACIAS attempting to\nacquire certain records and photos, and we\nwill continue to do this.\n37) MRS. GLADYS ROGERS LEAD: (See FBI interview of 11/25/63)\nallowing\nMR. & MRS. ROGERS lived at 4907 Magazine Street.\nHer husband testified before the Commission, but\nnot her. She said that several days before\nOSWALD moved, she observed an individual talking\nto her husband who asked for the location of the\nOSWALDS. She describes this person as a white\nmale, approximately 5'7\", 175 pounds, dark\ncomplexion, and had a foreign appearance, possibly.\nSpanish. She also recalls seeing a young couple\nin their early 20's stopping in to see the\nOSWALDS. She also recalls seeing a female who\nwore a white coat and whom she thinks was a\nWelfare worker, call at the OSWALD apartment.\n38) BRIAN AMPOLEX LEAD: (See FBI interview of 11/29/63)\nBRIAN AMPOLEX 1418 Haring Road, Metairie, Louisiana,\nmet LEE HARVEY OSWALD one or two days before\nOSWALD was arrested for handing our leaflets\non Canal Street. He and OSWALD had \"about a five\nminute convensation\" on politics. 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CANADA\nTELEPHONE 943-9331\nJOHN SIFTON\nR. S. MALONE\nPRESIDENT\nPUBLISHER AND VICE-PRESIDENT\nSHANE MACKAY\nR. H. SHELFORD\nEXECUTIVE EDITOR\nBUSINESS MANAGER\nMr. William R. Martin,\nAssistant District Attorney,\nNew Orleans, La.\nDear Mr. Martin,\nFollowing is the promised memorandum on a few Canadian leads\nin your case against Clay Shaw.\nThe affidavit from the Winnipeg man who overheard the conversation\nat the airport is being made this week and will reach you later.\nMr. Malcolm Campbell, of 1099 Eastlawn, Sarnia, Ontario, who wrote\nyour office about an eyewitness to the Dallas shooting, cannot provide\nany more information on the subject. The eyewitness, Liberty magazine\neditor Norman Similas, is unavailable. Liberty magazine was published\nby Consolidated Press until 1964 when it was sold to another company\nand folded after a few issues. When it wound up its operations, Mr.\nSimilas was writing a serial on his experiences in Dallas and in the\nlast issue Mr. Similas said the next issue, which never appeared, would\ncarry a picture taken of shots being fired at Kennedy. I made some\nenquiries regarding the sudden collapse of the publication, but people\nin the business seem to be convinced that it was genuine financial trouble.\n\"They went broke,\" as one spokesman put it. Mr. Similas can't be located\nat the moment. A relative, Helen Similas of Toronto (probably an estranged\nwife or a mad sister) doesn't want to tall about him at all and becomes\nirritated when someone mentions his name. The people he formerly worked\nwith have lost track of him. His name has been mentioned, however, by\nRamparts magazine and other critics of the Warren report as one of a\nlist of witnesses never interviewed by the Warren commission. Ramparts\nmisspelled his name quite badly.\nMr. Keith Allen, 40, a Seattle accountant whose mother lives at 1189\nMatthews Avenue, Vancouver, British Columbia (the address listed in\nShaw's notebook) is a service buddy of your man. He's single and probably\nqueer, but the last time he's seen Shaw was 20 years ago. They've been\nexchanging Christmas cards since: Ir. Allen has never heard of Kootenay\nBay.\nKootënay Bay, B.C. June-September (1963) seems a very mysterious\nnotation. The place is in the interior nountainous country of B.C. on\nthe shore of a lake. A ferry runs across the lake to Kootenay Bay and\none can also reach the place from the south, from the U.S. by narrow,\nwinding mountain road. There is one motel in the town, the Mary Ann motel,\nbut it doesn't seem to have a telephone. There are also camp grounds and\ncabins and the whole area is a prime tourist region in the summer, especially\nfrom June to September.\nMr. Larry Romgers, 25, of the St. James Town apartments in downtown\nToronto (his aunt and uncle live at 43 Warlock Crescent, Willowdale, Ont.\nwhich was the address listed in Shaw's notebook) also seems queer.\nHe doesn't have a job, but is in the position to travel extensively,\nthrow big parties and generally live it up. Has made several trips to\nLondon, England, where he chummed around with Shaw and a group of\ndecadent Englishmen which included the former manager of Christinë\nKeeler. He first met Shaw shortly before the Kennedy assassination,\nbut he doesn't want to say where. In March of this year he went to\nDallas \"to visit friends\" and in April to New Orleans for the same reason.\nHe intended to look Shaw up White he was there, but later decided not to.\nHe last saw him in London in 1966. He knew Shaw as a very bright person,\nwho loved London, the theatre and big parties. He calls Shaw a \"masochist. 11\nRogers doesn't think Shaw had anything to do with an assassination **\nxx of the president of the United States, because Shaw didn't care about\npolitics and \"didn&t give & damn about the whole United States.'\nHe says he feels \"badly\" for Shaw because Shaw is a \"fun-loving fellow\nwho likes a great time, likes to drink and likes to spend money.\"\nThis is the information I have gathered SO far. If anything sounds\ninteresting I can pursue these things further, of course. It would\nprobably be easier for me as a Canadian newspaperman than for you as\na New Orleans prosecutor. I have not yet written any story on the\nthings discussed above for the newspaper, but I hope you will keep in\nmind that I am always interestel in a story when something develops.\nI'll play ball with you any way you like, whatever confidential information\nyou have that you don't want published but that might help me in tying up\nloose ends will be safe with me.\nI might add that I am professionally as well as personally interested\nin helping your investigation any way I can. What you are doing in New\nOrleans takes a great deal of courage. It is probably the most difficult\njob a district attorney has ever undertaken in this century but it has to\nbe done in for history's sake. I sincerely hope you succeed.\nAlways at you service,\nPieter VanBennekom\nc/o Free Press,\nEditorial Dept.,\nWinnipeg, Manitoba\nCanada\ntel. 204-WH39345\nmemories\nMEMORANDUM\nFebruary 20, 1968\nRe: KERRY THORNLEY\n(Ro: Joyce Talley on Juanta Abbut\nis leads)\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nLYNN LOISEL, Investigator\n(decess)\nRE:\nMARTIN MC AULIFFE\nOn Tuesday, February 13, 1968, MARTIN MC AULIFFE came\ninto the District Attorney's Office and was interviewed by Loisel\nand Bethell.\nMR. MC AULIFFE was asked if he knew KERRY THORNLEY, and\nhow well did he know him. MC AULIFFE said that be had seen\nKERRY THORNLEY at the Bourbon House on two occasions sometime\nin 1963. MC AULIFFE said that on both occasions he was either\nwith one of his students from L.S.U.N.O. whose name is JOYCE\nTALLEY, or he could have been with his secretary, JUANITA ABBOTT.\nMC AULIFFE said that he was introduced on both occasions to\nTHORNLEY by either of the women he was with at which time THORNLEY\nhad requested MC AULIFFE to read copies of manuscripts of books\nhe was writing. MC AULIFFE said that one manuscript was about\na man on guard duty in Japan, and he was looking at his shadow\nin the puddles. MC AULIFFE said that after he read this and\nsome other trash that THORNLEY had, he brushed him off and tried\nto avoid him. MC AULIFFE also said that actually THORNLEY had\nshort stories which contained mostly sketches. Loisel showed\nseveral pictures of THORNLEY to MC AULIFFE, but MC AULIFFE said\nhe could not recognize THORNLEY. MC AULIFFE said that all he\nremembers about THORNLEY is that he was real skinny. MC AULIFFE\nwas asked if he had ever had any political discussions with\nTHORNLEY in regard to OSWALD. MC AULIFFE said THORNLEY had asked\nhim if he knew OSWALD or had come in contact with him because of\ntheir two opposing groups, and MC AULIFFE said that he did not\nknow OSWALD.\nMC AULIFFE was then asked if he knew CARLOS BRINGUIER\nand was shown a picture of BRINGUIER. MC AULIFFE said that he\ndid not recognize BRINGUIER but might of heard of him on tele-\nvision or in the newspapers. MC AULIFFE was then asked if he had\never been to BRINGUIER's clothing store in the 100 block of\nDecatur Street. MC AULIFFE replied that he hadn't but had been\nto a barroom in the 100 block to collect money for the Cuban\norganization but doesn't remember of seeing BRINGUIER at that\ntime.\nMC AULIFFE then told Loisel that the District Attorney's\nOffice should get a 1962 copy of L.S.U.N.O.'s newspaper, \"The\nBeachcomber\", which contains an article that THORNLEY had written.\nMC AULIFFE said that his address is 2117 Riviere Avenue.\nMetairie, Louisiana, telephone 888-3443 or 888-4704.\nE. Show\nMarch 18, 1967\nNATIONAL GUARDIAN\nNEW ORLEANS D.A. CHARGES CONSPIRACY\nNew questions raised on JFK killing\nBy Robert L. Allen\nThe name \"Clay Bertrand\" figures in\nCOMPLICATED skein of events\nthe report of the Warren Commission's\nney's fee, he said, \"Bertrand\" would.\ninvolved in the assassination of Presi-\n1944 investigation. Dean Andrews, a\nAndrews said he \"didn't know\" whether\ndent John F. Kennedy became even more\nlawyer in the New Orleans area, testified\n\"Bertrand\" and Shaw were the same\ntangled with the arrest March 1 of Clay\nthat Oswald and several homosexuals,\nman. The New York Post quoted him\nL. Shaw. described in the press as \"a\nwhom he described as \"Mexicanos,\" were\nMarch 2 as saying he \"couldn't say for\nprominent New Orleans businessman.\"\nsent to his law office in the summer of\nsure.\"\n1963 by a person named \"Clay Bertrand.\"\nNew Orleans District Attorney Jim\nAndrews said that Oswald wanted help\nThe same day Acting Attorney Gen-\nGarrison. who made the arrest, contended\nin wetting his dishonorable discharge from\neral Ramsey Clark said that, on the basis\nin 8 search warrant that at secret meet-\nthe Marines changed to an honorable\nof an investigation in November-Decem-\nings in September, 1963, \"there was an\ndischarge.\nber 1963, by the FBI, \"no connection\"\nagreement and combination among Clay\nAndrews told the Commission that on\nwas established between Shaw and the\nShaw (alias Clay Bertrand), Lee Har-\nNov. 23, 1963, \"Bertrand\" called him and\nKennedy assassination. The Clark state-\nvey Oswald and David W. Ferrie and\nasked him to go to Dallas to defend\nment makes it clear that Shaw was the\nothers to kill John F. Kennedy.\"\nOswald. Andrews said he was hospital-\nsubject of an inquiry: yet Shaw's name\nIsed and under sedation at the time. He\nis not mentioned once in the 29 volumes\nAT GUARDIAN press time a prelim-\nof the Warren Commission Report nor\ninary hearing concerning this contention\nsaid he called another New Orieans at.\nwas in progress.\ntorney, Monk Zelden, since he was un-\nin other documents in the National\nable to go to Dallas himself.\nArchives related to the assassination.\nShaw said at a press conference March\nThere is testimony only concerning \"Clay\n2 that be had played no part in an\nTHE FBI COULD FIND no record of\nBertrand.\nalleged conspiracy and he denied that\nOswald's visit to Andrews or locate the\nhe had ever met with or known Oswald\nperson who allegedly called Andrews, at-\nA Justice Department official told re-\nor Ferrie. He said that he had never\nthough it did confirm that Andrews and\nporters that his agency was convinced\nused the name \"Clay Bertrand.\"\nZelden had talked about representing\nthat \"Bertrand\" and Shaw were one and\nOswald.\nthe same, and that this was the basis\nFerrie, a former airlines pilot and\nfor Clark's statement.\nalleged homosexual, was found dead in\nhis bed Feb. 23. Garrison called the\nANOTHER ASPECT of the New Orleans\ndeath a suicide; a coroner attributed It\ninvestigation involves Cuban exiles. Sev-\nto natural causes.\neral exiles in Miami and one who was\na prisoner in a Louisiana state prison\nTHE GUARDIAN HAS received reports\napparently have been questioned by Oar-\nfrom Rome linking Shaw with various\nrison's investigators,\nright-wing organizations and individuals,\nand possibly with the CIA. The GUARD-\nA source in Garrison's office told the\nIAN's Rome correspondent, Phyllis Ros-\nNew York Post March 3 that Investiga-\nner, quoting the Rome daily Paesa Ser-\ntions had been made at two sites in the\nra, reported that from 1961 till 1965\nNew Orleans area which reportedly had\nShaw was on the board of directors of\nbeen used by the CIA to train Cuban\nthe Centro Mondiale Commerciale, which\nexiles for the Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961.\nthe paper said was engaged in obscure\nIt was also reported that Oswald had\ndealings in Rome.\nbeen arrested with three Cubans in the\nAmong the directors on the CMC board.\nsummer of 1963 while distributing \"Fair\nsaid Paesa Serra, were several Swiss\nPlay for Cuba Committee\" literature. He\nbusinessmen and bankers, the ex-Hun-\ntold police and the FBI that he was a\ngarian Peasant Party leader Ferenc Nagy,\nmember of the New Orleans branch of\nnow living in the U.S.: Prince Guitere\nFair Play, which had 35 members. No\nde Spadaforo. large Italian landowner\nsuch branch, however, had been char-\nand industrialist who is related by mar-\nCLAY SHAW\ntered by the National Fair Play-and he\nriage to Hitler's \"financial wizard\" Hjal-\nBusinessman arrested\nIs\napparently was the only \"member.\"\nmar Schacht: and Dr. Enrico Mantello,\nAH\nwho represented himself and six other\nSTRANGELY ENOUGH, Oswald-or a\nAndrews was said to have given con-\nshareholders, the most important being\nperson looking very much like Oswald-\nflicting descriptions of \"Bertrand\" to the\nformer U.S Army Major L.M. Bloom-\nalso reportedly met with anti-Castro\nFBI and the Commission, and at one\nCubans in the summer and fall of 1963.\nfield now reportedly a banker in Mon-\npoint he reportedly told the FBI that\ntreal.\nThis brings into play the \"two Oswalds\"\nBertrand was a \"figment of imagina-\nBloomfield is reported to have served\ntheory advanced by Harold Weisberg in\ntion.\"\nWhitewash. This theory holds that the\nthe 088 (which was the predecessor\nAccording to Mark Lane in Rush to\nalleged conspiracy to kill Kennedy used\nof the CLA) during World War II. French\nJudgment, Andrews said he was so hound-\na false Oswald and placed him in com-\nnewspapers have charged, the Rome daily\ned by FBI agents-\"like the plague\"-\npromising situations In order to Impli-\nsaid, that he was a generous contributor\nthat he told them \"to write whatever\ncate the real Oswald as the lone assassin.\nto neo-fascist groups in France: Italy\nthey wanted in their report and to close\nand throughout Europe\nThe allegations listed in Garrison's\ntheir file on him. The agents evidently\nPama Serra said it IS believed that the\nsearch warrant were based on statements\nclosed the file by writing that Andrews\nup by the CIA as a cover\nobtained from a \"confidential informant\"\nacknowledged that Bertrand did not\nfor channeling funds into Italy.\nwho was said to have taken part in the\nexist, despite the fact that Andrews\nIT\nALSO REPORTED to the\nsecret meetings with Shaw in Septem-\nswore that he had never made such a\nfrom a source in New Or\nber, 1963. The reliability of this Infor-\nstatement.\"\nwas instrumental in ar\nmant was reportedly checked by using\nAndrews also said he saw \"Bertrand\"\nBatista's Cuba from\nsodium pentothal, a so-culled \"truth\nonly twice and that \"Bertrand\" was\n13 years until 1965 be\nserum.\" It was expected that the Iden-\n\"mostly a voice on the phone.\"\ndirector of the Inter-\ntity of this informant would be revealed\nnational Trade Mart in New. Orleans,\nShaw, in the March 2 news conference,\nin organization which was reported re-\nsaid that he knew of Andrews but was\ncently to have arranged for the first\nnot personally acquainted with him.\nvisit of a trade delegation from U.S.\nANDREWS WAS QUESTIONED by\nSouthern states to South Africa.\nGarrison March 2. Afterward, Andrews\nShaw reportedly played a part in ar-\ntold reporters he had talked with \"Ber-\nranzing for Kennedy to speak at the\ntrand\" by telephone 10 or 12 times in a\nDallas Mart on Nov. 22, 1963-\nyear. He sald \"Bertrand\" sent boys to\nthe date of the assassination-a fact\nhim for legal representation. If the de-\nwhich to degree determined the fatal\nfendants were unable to pay the attor-\nmotorcade oute from the Dallas airport.\nMEMORANDUM\nMarch 14, 1968\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDY SCIAMBRA, Assistant District Attorney\nRE:\nKERRY THORNLEY\nOn the night of March 12, 1968, Harold Weisburg and\nI interviewed BERNARD GOLDSMITH. GOLDSMITH repeated essentially\nwhat he had previously told Gary Sanders, however, upon further\nprodding by Weisburg and myself he made a few additional\ncomments concerning THORNLEY. He repeated that THORNLEY was\na right-winger and so set in his political beliefs that he,\nGOLDSMITH, and THORNLEY made an agreement not to talk politics.\nHe says he can never remember THORNLEY mentioning BRINGUIER\nor KENT COURTNEY's name. He said that THORNLEY and LOVIN were\nfriends (LOVIN told him that he was in the Bay of Rias Invasion)\nGOLDSMITH said that he remembers being in the Bourbon House on\nCurrous!\nthe night after the assassination and THORNLEY remarking to him\nthat he had known QSWALD in that OSWALD had lived on Exchange\nPlace. THORNLEY also told him that OSWALD was not a communist.\nGOLDSMITH said that THORNLEY did not specify as to the time when\nhe had known OSWALD but only stated that he had known OSWALD.\nGOLDSMITH does not recall him ever saying specifically that he\nknew OSWALD when OSWALD was in New Orleans.\nGOLDSMITH also says that he vaguely remembers ROGER\nLOVIN telling him that he, LOVIN, was a roommate of OSWALD at\none time and GOLDSMITH said that he seems to remember LOVIN\nsaying this in connection with a conversation about LOVIN's\nCuban activities.\nB/1\nGOLDSMITH also said that JOHN EFFERSON and TIM SOHR\nwere friends of THORNLEY's. SOHR is presently serving time\nat Angola.\nBarbara and I will make further attempts to talk to\nGOLDSMITH who may know some additional information.\nMEMORANDUM\nMarch 14, 1968\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDY SCIAMBRA, Assistant District Attorney\nRE:\nKERRY THORNLEY\nOn the night of March 12, 1968, Harold Weisburg and\nI interviewed BERNARD GOLDSMITH. GOLDSMITH repeated essentially\nwhat he had previously told Gary Sanders, however, upon further\nprodding by Weisburg and myself he made a few additional\ncomments concerning THORNLEY. He repeated that THORNLEY was\na right-winger and so set in his political beliefs that he,\nGOLDSMITH, and THORNLEY made an agreement not to talk politics.\nHe says he can never remember THORNLEY mentioning BRINGUIER\nor KENT COURTNEY's name. He said that THORNLEY and LOVIN were\nfriends (LOVIN told him that he was in the Bav of Pigs Invasion)\nGOLDSMITH said that he remembers being in the Bourbon House on\nCurreous!\nthe night after the assassination and THORNLEY remarking to him\nthat he had known OSWALD in that OSWALD had lived on Exchange\nPlace. THORNLEY also told him that OSWALD was not a communist.\nGOLDSMITH said that THORNLEY did not specify as to the time when\nhe had known OSWALD but only stated that he had known OSWALD.\nGOLDSMITH does not recall him ever saying specifically that he\nknew OSWALD when OSWALD was in New Orleans.\nGOLDSMITH also says that he vaguely remembers ROGER\nLOVIN telling him that he, LOVIN, was a roommate of OSWALD at\none time and GOLDSMITH said that he seems to remember LOVIN\nsaying this in connection with a conversation about LOVIN's\nCuban activities.\nB/1 etc\nGOLDSMITH also said that JOHN EFFERSON and IIM SOHR\nwere friends of THORNLEY's. SOHR is presently serving time\nat Angola.\nBarbara and I will make further attempts to talk to\nGOLDSMITH who may know some additional information.\nMEMORANDUM\nMarch 14, 1968\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDY SCIAMBRA, Assistant District Attorney\nRE:\nKERRY THORNLEY\nOn the night of March 12, 1968, Harold Weisburg and\nI interviewed BERNARD GOLDSMITH. GOLDSMITH repeated essentially\nwhat he had previously told Gary Sanders, however, upon further\nprodding by Weisburg and myself he made a few additional\ncomments concerning THORNLEY. He repeated that THORNLEY was\na right-winger and so set in his political beliefs that he,\nGOLDSMITH, and THORNLEY made an agreement not to talk politics.\nHe says he can never remember THORNLEY mentioning BRINGUIER\nor KENT COURTNEY's name. He said that THORNLEY and LOVIN were\nfriends (LOVIN told him that he was in the Bav of Pigs Invasion)\nGOLDSMITH said that he remembers being in the Bourbon House on\nCureous!\nthe night after the assassination and THORNLEY remarking to him\nthat he had known OSWALD in that OSWALD had lived on Exchange\nPlace. THORNLEY also told him that OSWALD was not a communist.\nGOLDSMITH said that THORNLEY did not specify as LO the time when\nhe had known OSWALD but only stated that he had known OSWALD.\nGOLDSMITH does not recall him ever saying specifically that he\nknew OSWALD when OSWALD was in New Orleans.\nGOLDSMITH also says that he vaguely remembers ROGER\nLOVIN telling him that he, LOVIN, was a roommate of OSWALD at\none time and GOLDSMITH said that he seems to remember LOVIN\nsaying this in connection with a conversation about LOVIN's\nCuban activities.\nB/letc B/1 etc\nGOLDSMITH also said that JOHN EFFERSON and IIM SOHR\nwere friends of THORNLEY's. SOHR is presently serving time\nat Angola.\nBarbara and I will make further attempts to talk to\nGOLDSMITH who may know some additional information.\nMEMORANDUM\nMarch 14, 1968\n\"\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDY SCIAMBRA, Assistant District Attorney\nRE:\nKERRY THORNLEY\nOn the night of March 12, 1968, Harold Weisburg and\nI interviewed BERNARD GOLDSMITH. GOLDSMITH repeated essentially\nwhat he had previously told Gary Sanders, however, upon further\nprodding by Weisburg and myself he made a few additional\ncomments concerning THORNLEY. He repeated that THORNLEY was\na right-winger and so set in his political beliefs that he,\nGOLDSMITH, and THORNLEY made an agreement not to talk politics.\nHe says he can never remember THORNLEY mentioning BRINGUIER\nor KENT COURTNEY's name. He said that THORNLEY and LOVIN were\nfriends (LOVIN told him that he was in the Bay of Dias Invasion)\nGOLDSMITH said that he remembers being in the Bourbon House on\nCurrous!\nthe night after the assassination and THORNLEY remarking to him\nthat he had known OSWALD in that OSWALD had lived on Exchange\nPlace. THORNLEY also told him that OSWALD was not a communist.\nGOLDSMITH said that THORNLEY did not specify as to the time when\nhe had known OSWALD but only stated that he had known OSWALD.\nGOLDSMITH does not recall him ever saying specifically that he\nknew OSWALD when OSWALD was in New Orleans.\nGOLDSMITH also says that he vaguely remembers ROGER\nLOVIN telling him that he, LOVIN, was a roommate of OSWALD at\none time and GOLDSMITH said that he seems to remember LOVIN\nsaying this in connection with a conversation about LOVIN's\nCuban activities.\nB/lete\nB/1\nGOLDSMITH also said that JOHN EFFERSON and NIM SOHR\nwere friends of THORNLEY's. SOHR is presently serving time\nat Angola.\nBarbara and I will make further attempts to talk to\nGOLDSMITH who may know some additional information.\nLIST OF CALLS\nFM NOT CALLED\nT\nAMOUNT\nYOUR NUMBER\nDATE\n925\nNEWOREEANS-LA\nFROM RACELD\nI\n75\n524 0447\n918\nBROUGE\nEA\n4\nSID\n(9/2415 N.O. DATE LOR MEXICO) OSTENSIS\n925\nDOGALUSA\nLA\nRE2 7151\n110\n925\nBOGALUSA\nLA\nRE2 7151\n110\n924\nBOGALUSA\nLA\nRE2\n7151\n0\n65\nTHIS LEFT 15 THE CALL\n924\nCHICAGO\nILL\n312 WH4 4970\n385\n0,01\nBOGALUSA\nLA\nRES 6211\n65\n001 NEWORL-SANS LA\nFROM LULING\nLA\n45\n001 NEWORLEANS LA\nFROM THISOD\n141\n512\nNEWORLEANS LA\nFROM - FERNCE\nMIS\n10\n013\nBAYSTLOUIS\nMISS\nFROM NORLNS\nLA2\n65\n919\nNEW IBERIA LA\n318-EM4-4501\n85\n219 NEW IBERIA LA\n318 EM4-4501\n0\n85\nMEYERS'N CHICAGO THE CHIC LETT (SEE MADE SAME AGO w/c FOR NUMBER TO (WITH CONTACT DALLAS DOCUMENTS LAWRENCE co MARINAS 15 - To WHOM CALLED CN IN Nov. IN MEXER! WHERE co FRO 20+\n519\nNEW IBERTA LA\n318 EN4 1836\n0\n69\n919\nSHREVEPORT\nA\n318 8352\n0.0\nTOTAL EXCE,TAX\nFED TAX\nEROS WHERE PRIOR MFG 10 TRIP MEETS\nSEE REVERSE FOR EXPLANATION\nRUBY THAT MAN\nNOTE, DAY OURSHINGTON\nLIST OF CALLS\nMAXES THE SAME CALL To\nDATE\nPLACE CALLED\nT\nAMOUNT\nare\nYOUR NUMBER\nSHREVEPORT LA\n318 123 6117\n133\n524-0147\n$19\nSHREVEPORT LA\n318 424 6662\n529\n914\nNEWORLEANS\nFROM LAROSE LA\n75\nyou\nNOBILE\nALA\n205 479 1529\n100\n67\nNEWORLEANS\nLA\nFROM THE BODX\nIs\n35\n420\nHOUSTON\nTEX\n713 CA7 7273\n:\n155\n20\nNEWORLEANS LA\nFROM\nHOUS\nTEX4\n165\n720\nBATONROUGE\nLA\nD12 4796\n166\nWASH\nDC\n7\n243\nNEW BERIAL\n318 EMG 4197\n303\n193\nBATONROUGE-LA\nD13 2843\n03\n348\nDRANDON\nMISS\n03\n601 825 5-2-4-6\nNEWORLEANS\n70\nLA\nFROM-SIL CKMIS\n04\n95\nSILVER CRK MISS\n6\nCHICAGO\n25\n312 P07 1400\n305\nTOTAL EXCL.TAX\nFED.TAX\nPLANATION\nTOTALINOLITAX\nIST OF CALLS\nPLACE CALLED\nΓ\nAMOUNT\n14.\nCROWLEY\nLA\n313-733-4612\nYOUR NUMBER\n90\n524_0147\n34\nCROWLEY\nEA\n90\nCHGO\nILL\n175\n232\nHISS\n014-2091\n100\nLA\nFROM FURNER\n:::\nLA\nFROM\nBOGALS\n55%\nLA\n\"SHE\nL:\nED3-4377\nLL\n11\nMA4-4685\nREZ\n7151\nse\ntt\n114\nRe: SHAW (+ FERRIE)\nSTATEMENT OF MR. NICHOLAS TADIN\nI was out at the New Orleans Airport on a Saturday or a Sunday\nafternoon sometime during the summer of 1964. I had brought\nmy boy out there to take some flying lessons from Dave Ferrie.\nAfter I parked my car I noticed Dave Ferrie and Clay Shaw coming\nout of the hangar. Dave Ferrie was about three feet ahead of\nClay Shaw. Clay Shaw turned to go to his car and Dave Ferrie\nwas coming towards me. When Shaw turned Dave waved at him.\nShaw just got into his automobile and left. I asked Dave Ferrie\nif this was a new student that he had because I knew of Clay\nShaw and he said, - No, it was a personal friend and the Manager\nof the International Trade Mart, and that was the end of that.\nHowever, I did call it to the attention of my wife when I saw\nClay Shaw and told my wife who he was at the time. I had seen\nClay Shaw several times before around the French Quarter and know\npositively that this was him.\nNicholas Tadin\nOffice of the District Attorney\nFebruary 27, 1969\nRy:SHAW (+FERRIE)\nSTATEMENT OF MRS. MATHILDA TADIN\nMy husband and I had gone out to the New Orleans Airport one\nafternoon sometime in the summer of 1964. While waiting to see\nDave Ferrie, we saw him come out of the hangar with another\nperson. My husband turned to me and said \"Look who's with Dave\"\nand I said \"Who's that\"? My husband told me that the man was\nClay Shaw, a notorious degenerate.\nMathedi Gaden\nMathilda Tadin\nOffice of the District Attorney\nFebruary 27, 1969\nT\nMEMORANDUM\nRe: SHAW (+ Lanada)\nSHAW (gennal file)\nSHAW (+ FERRIE)\nOctober 9, 1968\nSHAW (+ Cula\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDREW J. SCIAMBRA, Assistant D. A.\nRE:\nCLAY SHAW\n*\nDuring my recent interview with MR. JAMES J. PLAINE\nof Houston, Texas, MR. PLAINE informed me that he had been\ncontacted by a MR. WHITE of Freeport Sulphur in regards to a\npossible assassination plan for Fidel Castro.\nMR. PLAINE said that MR. WHITE was only one of the\nmany oil and import people that he had occasion to talk to\nfrom New Orleans regarding Castro.\nMR. PLAINE also informed me that he thought that the\npicture of CLAY SHAW was very familiar, and that he may have\nmet him in Houston, either at his apartment or at the Normandy\nClub which the oil people of Texas frequent.\nA memo in the GUY BANISTER file indicates that there\nis information which reports that DICK WHITE, a high official\nof Freeport Sulphur, and CLAY SHAW wer e flown to Cuba probably\ntaking off from the Harvey Canal area in a Freeport Sulphur\nplane piloted by DAVE FERRIE. The purpose of this trip was\nto set up import of Cuba's nickle ore to a Canadian front\ncorporation which would in turn shipt to the Braithwaite nickle\nplant. The plant was built by the U. S. Government at a cost\nof about one million dollars.\nThe report is that the combine of Freeport Sulphur,\nWHITE, and SHAW purchased the plant for a million dollars and\nintended to get ore through 2 Canadian corporation they had\nformed. There is also a report that GUY BANISTER hired FERRIE\nand JACK MARTIN as investigators to check out the nickle plant\ndeal.\nMEMORANDUM\nOctober 23, 1968\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDREW J. SCIAMBRA, Assistant D. A.\nRE:\nSHAW - FERRIE & WHITE (Freeport Sulphur)\nI contacted Mr. PLAINE by telephone in regard\nto MR. WHITE of Freeport Sulphur and DAVID FERRIE. PLAINE\ntold me that he distinctly remembers either SHAW or FERRIE\ntalking about some nickel mines which were located on the\nWestern tip of Cuba. He says he does not remember exactly\nthe gist of the conversation, but he distinctly remembers\nthat it was regarding these nickel mines. He said he cannot\npositively say that FERRIE knew WHITE or vice versa, but he\nsomehow feels that they must have known each other.\nAlcock and I will call in MR. WHITE of Freeport\nSulphur and ask him about our previous memorandum from\nKIMBALL which mentions SHAW, FERRIE and WHITE being together.\nTUCKER, SCHONEKAS & GARRISON\nATTORNEYS AT LAW\n710 CARONDELET STREET\nGIBSON TUCKER, JR.\nNEW ORLEANS, LA. 70130\nRUSSELL J. SCHONEKAS\nJIM GARRISON\n588-9014\nARTHUR S. MANN,III\nNovember 8, 1977\nMr. Jonathan Blackmer\nSelect Committee on Assassinations\nHouse of Representatives, Annex 2, Room 335\nWashington, D. C. 20515\nRE: Individuals subpoenaed to the\nOrleans Parish Grand Jury\nDear Jon:\nFollowing is a list of persons I recall as having testified before\nthe Grand Jury in connection with our inquiry into the assassination\nof President Kennedy. The year involved, according to my recollection,\nwould have been 1967 in some instances and 1968 in others. As I ad-\nvised you by phone, Grand Jury testimony here is automatically typed\nafterwards so that the complete transcript should readily be avail-\nable to you.\nalso:\nDean Andrews\nKerry Thornley\nAnna Burglass\nThomas Beckham\nLoren Hall\nEric M. Krouchet\nLawrence Howard\nLayton Martens\nSam Newman\nF. Lee Crisman\nCarlos Quiroga\nMarina Oswald\nRuth Paine\nforge Rodrigiog\nVernon Bundy (possibly)\nRegis Kennedy\nThere may have bèen others and I will have to talk to former members\nof my staff to clarify this, however these were the witnesses whom\nI clearly recall as having testified. The specific records of pre-\ncisely who testified and when (as well as the transcripts of their\ntestimony) would be in the custody of the present District Attorney\nof Orleans Parish: Harry F. Connick, 2700 Tulane Avenue, New Orleans,\nLa.\nDean Andrews, who clearly lied during his Grand Jury testimony, was\nsubsequently charged with perjury (essentially, as I recall the\ncharge) with regard to his testimony that Clay Shaw was not the \"Clay\nBertrand\" who contacted him about representing Lee Harvey Oswald. He\nwas subsequently found guilty at a jury trial, although I don't re-\ncall ever seeing this minor footnote to history ever noted in the\nnational press.\n=\nchanged with perjury\n= convicted of perjing\nMr. Jonathan Blackmer\nNovember 8, 1977\nPage two.\nThomas Beckham patently was lying all the way down the line -- which\ncaused me to question him rather intensely for about four hours --\nbut I couldn't break through his cool. Nor was there enough ex-\nterior objective evidence, as there had been in the case of Dean\nAndrews, for us to charge him with perjury. Crisman, similarly,\nwas super-cool and seemed to me totally unconcerned about any\npossible problems forthcoming to him from a county level grand\njury. Although his testimony, as I recall it, was quite implausible,\nhe held his ground with confidence. A rather professional witness,\naccording to my recollection, for an itinerant, wandering minister\nof a non-existant church.\n*\nLayten Martens' perjury (while I do not recall the details) was\narrogant and, I felt, demonstrable with regard to a possible sub-\nsequent perjury charge. After all, we had connected him in too\nmany ways, not only with Clay Shaw, but with David Ferrie and Sergio\nArcacha -- with most of the main characters of the cast. Had he\ntestified truthfully to any degree at all, he could have been, I\nfelt, a highly illuminating witness concerning the clandestine game\nwhich was played out down here. However, he stonewalled it, wouldn't\ngive an inch--even where he had to know that we know better--and\nended up, like Andrews, being charged with perjury. By the time his\ntrial would have come up, however, Shaw had been acquitted and the\npress -- both local as well as national -- was now in high gear\npounding away at our investigation, by this time being widely charac-\nterized as \"fraudulent\". So, somewhere about that time, I shrugged\nmy shoulders and said \"to hell with it\" and ordered the case dismissed.\nI expect that this occurred around 1969 or 1970 by which time we were\nall pretty exhausted and tired of the endless discreditation and the\nsteady counterprèssure against our office.\nThe next time I find myself at a scene where aspects of an assassina-\ntion were worked out, I will know better than to be drawn into any\nfirst hand investigation of it. Instead, I will be a critic emeritus\nmaking pronouncements, and evolving theories, only on what I have read.\nThe trouble with getting involved in actual primary inquiry at the\nscene, as we happened to, is that having made the mistake of stumbling\ninto what did happen (instead of following the wiser course of merely\nmaking observations as to what did not happen)- you become more of\na potential threat to the force which activated the catastrophe and\nto those myriad interests which have ratified it or which, at least,\nare careful not to engage such a demonstrably powerful force. Getting\ndrawn into primary investigation of the ultimate game of dirty tricks\nIS that you not only lose any possible credentials as a philosopher\n(having wandered too far from the bookstacks) but you end up for some\nyears having what the English used to call \"slops\" dumped on you at\nregular intervals.\nMr. Jonathan Blackmer\nNovember 8, 1977\nPage three.\nExcuse the Maileresque outburst. On with the Grand Jury observations.\nAs to the other witnesses who testified, their transcripts for the\nmost part will speak for themselves. If you want my recollection\nand evaluation as to any of them, let me know.\nVERNON\nIt occurs to me, in passing, that Norman Bundy may have testified.\nIn any case, you should see if there is a Grand Jury transcript for\nhim. In any case, it would be worth the effort to attempt to obtain,\nas well, the transcript of his testimony at the trial (or, if that\nis not available, of his testimony at the Preliminary Hearing held\nbefore the trial). Bundy is an important witness because of his\nacute, although brief, observation of an otherwise murky area: the\nprecise relationship of Clay Shaw to Lee Harvey Oswald.\nAnd, of course, Perry Russo testified before the Grand Jury. I will\ncontact Jim Alcock, the executive assistant D.A. who handled many of\nthese witnesses, and see if I have overlooked any. If so, will send\nyou a follow-up note. Certain principals, with regard to our inquiry--\nnamely Guy Banister and David Ferrie -- did not live long enough to\nmake it to the Grand Jury.\nSince writing the foregoing, I have come across a January 19, 1967\nmemorandum to my staff describing certain witnesses as having turned\nout to be uncooperative to ordinary investigative inquiry and indi-\ncating that they should be subpoenaed to the Grand Jury. While I\ndo not independently recall their appearances, I think the best\ncourse for you is to assume that they did appear and also request\ntranscripts of this testimony. Their names are: Edward Gerstner,\nAnna Burglass, Eric Michael Krouchet and Sam Newman.\nSo much for those who apparently did appear and testify--which is\nwhat you requested. As for those who refused to appear, or appeared\nbut refused to testify, I will add that in an addendum to this letter.\nWhile that list goes beyond what you requested, in some instances the\ncircumstances of their avoidance of testimony may be of value to you\nin appraising the general scenario of this sector of your inquiry.\nRegards,\nJun Jim Garrison\nJG:JBS\nCC: Cliff Fenton\nMr. Jonathan Blackmer\nNovember 8, 1977\nPage four\nADDENDUM\nIndividuals refusing to testify before the\nOrleans Parish Grand Jury with regard to\nthe Kennedy investigation.\nSERGIO ARCACHA, was located by us in Dallas. Our investigators\nflew there to question him, but he would only meet with them at the\nDallas Police Station. His attorney was Bill Alexander, the Dallas\nfirst assistant district attorney. He was totally uncooperative. I\nam quite sure we subsequently subpoenaed him to appear before the\nOrleans Parish Grand Jury but the State of Texas refused to extra-\ndite. (The reasons for our wanting to question him are too obvious\nto need reciting. However, should the time come when your committee\nwishes to do so, I will get together additional background material\non him--and other parts of the Banister/Cuban Revolutionary activity--\nwhen you are ready for it.)\nSANDRA MOFFATT was important because Perry Russo had recalled her as\nbeing present on several occasions when Clay Shaw visited David\nFerrie's apartment while the young man identified as \"Leon\" Oswald\nwas present. However, she succeeded in moving faster than our sub-\npoena and made it to the sanctuary of Iowa (no extradition there for\nGrand Jury subpoenas) before we could have her served. (Beckham also\nhad gone to Iowa to avoid his subpoena, but we succeeded in getting\nhim served when he made a return trip to Omaha).\nGORDON NOVEL had participated with David Ferrie, Sergio Arcacha and\nothers in the removal of ammunition from the Schlumberger explosives\nbunker in Houma, Louisiana, for transfer to the Banister office and\nfrom there to Miami for use in anti-Castro activity. Novel, like\nMoffatt, moved faster than our subpoena, ending up in Ohio where he\nremained for some years. Despite several attempts, we were unable\nto get Ohio to extradite Novel for appearance before the Grand Jury.\nREGIS KENNEDY had been one of the lead F.B.I. agents in the Bureau's\npost-assassination investigation in New Orleans. We had also identi-\nfied him as a pre-assassination associate of individuals connected\nwith Friends of Democratic Cuba and of Guy Banister's. Obviously,\nhe appeared to be in a position to illuminate us about these opera-\ntions. He appeared before the Grand Jury, but refused to testify,\ntaking the \"Executive Privilege\" on the ground that the Attorney\nGeneral had orderedhimtodoso. He repeated this performance, as\nI recall, at the Clay Shaw trial. (We also wanted very much to ques-\nMr. Jonathan Blackmer\nNovember 8, 1977\nPage five (Addendum).\ntion F.B.I. Agent Warren DeBrueys, apparently the head of the\nBureau's Cuban desk in New Orleans and a man very much immersed in\npre-assassination anti-Castro activity in New Orleans. We were also\ninterested in the fact that when Oswald left New Orleans for Dallas,\ndeBrueys was transferred to Dallas. As a post-script to his career,\ndeBrueys later became the S.A.C. of the Bureau's office in San Juan,\nPuerto Rico. Since your committee's assassination investigation\nbegan, he has retired and returned to New Orleans where he is now\nthe \"assistant\" to the Director of the Metropolitan CrimaCommission.\nIn any case, after our experience with Agent Regis Kennedy, we felt\nit was fruitless to go through the same routine with deBrueys).\nALLAN DULLES and RICHARD HELMS were subpoenaed before the Grand Jury\nbecause of the positions they had occupied in the C.I.A. during the\nlate 1950's and early 1960's. We felt that they could enlighten us\non a number of points. (We knew that they probably wouldn't, but\nwe felt that they could, with the records available to them, so we\nsubpoenaed them.) Among other things, we wanted to know what Clay\nShaw's status was with regard to the Agency, what David Ferrie's\nbackground had been--and perhaps was--as an Agency contract employee,\nwhat Lee Oswald's relationship to the intelligence community was,\nwhat the connection of Cubans such as Sergio Arcacha was to the\nAgency and other obvious questions.\nThe United States Attorney in Washington--obviously not overly\ndriven by the ancient dictum: \"Let Justice Be Done Though the Heavens\nFall\" -- refused to serve these subpoenas and simply sent them back\nto us.\nJr.\nJ.G.\nCC: Cliff Fenton\nRa:\nKERRY\n-\nTHORNLEY\nMEMORANDUM\nDecember 4, 1967\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nTOM BETHELL\nRE:\nAL CLARK\nOn Sunday, December 3, 1967, I spoke to\nAL CLARK at Dixieland Hall, and asked him about his state-\nment to HAROLD WEISBERG that he had seen DEAN ANDREWS\ntalking to LEE HARVEY OSWALD.\nCLARK stated that when he saw OSWALD on\ntelevision after the assassination his immediate reaction\nwas that he had seen him before. After thinking about it\nhe came to the conclusion that he had seen OSWALD with\nANDREWS. ANDREWS, CLARK recollects, was in the habit of\nbringing his friends into the back door of Dixieland Hall,\nand he believes he saw ANDREWS and OSWALD sitting together\nin the patio right behind Dixieland Hall.\nCLARK said he did not mention this before\nbecause he thought it was common knowledge. that ANDREWS\nknew OSWALD, and he didn't think it was important. ANDREWS\nhad always told him that he knew OSWALD, and therefore he\nattached no significance to it.\nCLARK did not see OSWALD on television in\nNew Orleans when he passed out leaflets in front of the\nTrade Mart.\nNote: At the time of the above intermen,\nit is doubtful that KT had yet come into\nfull form. Therefore, CLARK (who appeare\nto be cooperative should be asked about\nhim - if he can be located.\n82\nTUCKER, SCHONEKAS & GARRISON\nATTORNEYS AT LAW\n710 CARONDELET STREET\nGIBSON TUCKER, JR.\nNEW ORLEANS, LA. 70130\nRUSSELLJ. schonekas\nJIM GARRISON\n588-9014\nARTHUR S. MANN, III\nNovember 8, 1977\nMr. Jonathan Blackmer\nSelect Committee on Assassinations\nHouse of Representatives, Annex 2, Room 335\nWashington, D. C. 20515\nRE: Individuals subpoenaed to the\nOrleans Parish Grand Jury\nDear Jon:\nFollowing is a list of persons I recall as having testified before\nthe Grand Jury in connection with our inquiry into the assassination\nof President Kennedy. The year involved, according to my recollection\nwould have been 1967 in some instances and 1968 in others. As I ad-\nvised you by phone, Grand Jury testimony here is automatically typed\nafterwards so that the complete transcript should readily be avail-\nable to you.\nalso:\nDean Andrews\nKerry Thornley\nAnna Burghas\nThomas Beckham\nLoren Hall\nEric M. Krouchet\nLawrence Howard\nLayton Martens\nSam Newman\nF. Lee Crisman\nCarlos Quiroga\nMarina Oswald\nRuth Paine\nJorge Rodriging\nVernon Bundy (possibly)\nRegis Kennedy\nThere may have bèen others and I will have to talk to former members\nof my staff to clarify this, however these were the witnesses whom\nI clearly recall as having testified. The specific records of pre-\ncisely who testified and when (as well as the transcripts of their\ntestimony) would be in the custody of the present District Attorney\nof Orleans Parish: Harry F. Connick, 2700 Tulane Avenue, New Orleans,\nLa.\nDean Andrews, who clearly lied during his Grand Jury testimony, was\nsubsequently charged with perjury (essentially, as I recall the\ncharge) with regard to his testimony that Clay Shaw was not the \"Clay\nBertrand\" who contacted him about representing Lee Harvey Oswald. He\nwas subsequently found guilty at a jury trial, although I don't re-\ncall ever seeing this minor footnote to history ever noted in the\nnational press.\n= changed with perjury\n11\nconnicted of perjing\nR:KEARY THORNLEY\n(Copy for BANISTER file)\nFebruary 20, 1968\nMEMO RE: Clint Bolton and Other French Quarter Personnel\nFor Thoraley file\nBalton file\nClint Bolton knew:\nFriends, Demo Cuba file\n1. Kerry Thornley\n2. Juanita Abbot (friend of Dalzell's)\n(Copints:\n3.\nBill Dalzell\nR Bannta\nor\n4. Dave Chandler\nSciambra\n5. Clint Hall\nBoxly\n88.\n6. Ronnie Caire (Cigali Bldg.)\nDron)\n7. Jesse Core\n8. Ray Berg (Cigali Bldg.) (Caire and Berg are enemies.)\n9. Clay Shaw\nand\n10. Tony Devine\n11. Frank Phares (writer)\nNate: BOLTON-WALL\nK\nparticularly alone +\nNote: This informal cummary\na long interview with Barbara Raid\n12. John Dodt (700 block St. Louis)\nprimary value would relationship appear for\nBolton was with Reuters (India) and United Press. 50 pm \"affiderit\")\nKT (See KT'L\nDuring the month of the assassination, Barbara had Thanks-\ngiving Dinner. HILL ( assarding to KI) - the who\nservid in NO with him in early 1961\nGregory Hill was very close to Kerry Thornley. Entered\nArmy. Probably back on West Coast\nTrant.\nHerd\nable\n1\nIn\nme\n+\n+\nLou Trent knew Banister real well\nLeaped to his defense\nresoperation\nor\nafter the Absinthe House incident.\nHugh Ward used to hang out at John George's liquor store\nin Matamoros. Ward took off from Matamoros with Chep on\nthe fatal flight. Morrison had a large amount of money\n(suitcases) with him, according to Hoke May.\ndo\nFrosty Morrison (niece of Frosty Blackshear) ran off with\nRuss Conger. Now in California with him. They were always\nwith Cubans in green fatiques\nElecture\nGrabama in 1961? on in 1963 of\nOther\ngroup?\nHelen Gladstone operates Jewish Civic Press. Knew Thornley\nand many others. She was often at the Ryder Club.\n(&the cass).\nRoger Lovin is at the least on the fringe Quite likely\nthat all the stories (Ruby contacting him. Qswald his\nroommate) have some them.\nHis father owns much land around Slidell. Right now is\nplaying in the band at the Gunga Den.\nWilliam Crais was lawyer, but never seemed to work.\nJerry Halford might know some of these people -- Bill Crais,\nfor example. Will probably be helpful.\nIvan Kotteman. Is artist at Jackson Square now. His brother\nwas co-author with Shaw on \"Men Without Women\". Went to\nWarren Easton.\nOJWALD being his room-mate\nCheck out LOVIN re:\n1\nJACK RUBY contacting him\n2\nEteelera\nKotteman moved from his \"Salle d'Armes\" and opened up a\nMexican Restaurant. Cubans hung out there. 522 Bourbon.\n(Jack Frazier would know how to contact him.)\nBuckley, remittance man (claims to be brother of William\nBuckley) Is a drunk and homosexual. Lives at 1200 block\nDauphine. ( of this is Rons Buskley , attorney he is brother my\nWin Buckley who not framerly that worked in - CIA drand office in\nWill Brady is believed by Barbara Reid to have lived close\nto Clay Shaw. (Su 1 reprete ~ BRADY + RYDER CLUB)\nMartin McAuliffe had book published by Doubleday. Knows\nBolton. Hung around the Bourbon House (Sally-Sayers-Nelson\nwould know) Reid believes he was with Allen Johnson or\nRonnie Caire. He called Barbara about something soon after\nshe saw Oswald.\nGlenn Douthitt may know many of the persons and happenings.\nNoel Jeffries, graphic arts studio, same thing.\nDave Chandler and Thornley had to know each other. Dave\nwas close to John McEachron and Caplinger (Grace) was close\nto Thornley. John married Grace.\nJ.J.\nBarbara Raid\nRa: KERRY THORNLEY\nNate: At first glance this\nto be solily OSWALD House insteads\nHer meeting with OJWALD at\ninto the RYDER Crafer\nSULZER lead or.\n(re: the Ryder Cuffee House)\nMEMORANDUM: re: DAPHIE STAPLETON\n235 DEXTER AVE.\nNOBILE, ALA.\nBARBARA GLANCEY REID\nSeptember 25, 1968\nOn Hedresday, September 25, 1968,. at 1:30 P.M., A. Schiambra and\nI arrived at the house of DAPHINE STAPLETON, 235 DEXTER AVE.,\nNOBILE, ALABAMA. DAPHNE'S mother came to the door and\nrecognized SCHIAMBRA immediately. She informed us that\nDAPHNE Has ill and that she could not see us. She also said\nshe (MRS. STAPLETON) would not lot her (DAPHNE) talke to us.\nIt was only after agreeing with her about the doubtful morals\nof some of Daphne's former friends that Mrs. Stapleton agreed\nto let me come in to talk with her daughter, this was also\nonly after I had given her the impression that I was a former\nfriend of her daughters. As it was, when Sciambra and I\nreturned to the house after her stipulated delay of fifteen\nminutes (to give Daphne time to make herself presentable)\nsome of Mrs. Stapleton's reservations had returned because she said\nthat Daphne couldn't remember me. Not surprising because\nDaphne and I had never met.\nAs soon as I went in the house Daphne was most friendly and\nobviously prepared to be cooperative. The only problem was\nthe mother, who kept interupting and telling Daphne it wasn't\nsmert to get involved.\nI had taken the RYDER COFFEEHOUSE guest book and a stack of\nphotographs of various crowd shots of Quarter activities in\nthe hopes that Daphne would spot some familiar faces and that\nit might trigger associations, because she did say at the\nbeginning she was pamiliar with the Bourbon House and in some\nrespects the crowds did overlap. Unfortunately Daphrie had\nbeen to the oculist the day before and because of the drops\nused was unable to focus either see the pictures or to read\nthe guest book.\nDAPANE. Staplaton\npage 2\nDephne immediately started discussing er meeting with Osweld\nsaying that she was sure that was the most important thing to us\nand that then I could ask her anything I wanted too, that she\nwas willing to ocoporate in any way possible. She stated this\nfirmly over her mother's continual audible objections and\ncaterwaulings.\nIt was around 9:00 AM on 2 summer morning, quite warm and Daphne\nwas sitting on the steps reading a book of short stories by\nHenry James and had reached the story \"Alder Of The Dead\" when\nshe was joined by PATTY CLEASON, who, with her husband, had an\napartment in the same building. Daphne was very concious of\nthe time because she was waiting for the mail delivery and a\ncheck from her mother. She mult said the reason for Patty\nremaining there was also the mail delivery and though it wasn't\nspécifically mentioned Daphne was \"sure she was waiting for a\ncheck too. We both usually were in the same position, our\nhusbands were alike.\"\nA red sports car pulled to stop and a young man got out. Daphne\nsaid, \"I don't know what kind it was, but it wasn't an MG because\nI like NGs.\" I asked her if she liked the looks of this car and\nshe said yes. I asked her if the top was down and she said, \"If\nit was it must have been dark, (meaning the top)\" Obviously the\ntop was down because Daphne was sitting up on the steps and\nlooking down she saw the woman who was driving quite clearly.\nHer first thought was why would a mother be bringing her son to\nthis place, because there was no hesitation their parts. She\ndescribed the woman as being in her forties, wearing sunglasses,\nand her overall impression was dissapproval at the woman's\nappearance, both in dress and in the way she wore her hair.\nDaphne said she immediately thought, \"Mother would call her\ncheap.\" I asked her what made that thought pop into her mind\nand she said, \"It was her hair it was grey silver and it\nBARBARA GLANCEY REID-\nDAPHNE STAPLETON\npage 3\nwas too short not fomenine, but mannish Mother hates pro--\ncessed hair and you could tall this women had just had a permanent\nkind of kincky up here (Naving her hand around the top or crown\nof her head). 1: Here mother and daughter paused to argue about\nprocessing methods. The day before Daphne had also gone to 2,\nbeauty shop were they had \"over-processed\". her hair which explained\nher reticence about bying seen by anyone.\nOswald closed the car door and the woman drove off. He seemed to\nknow exactly where he was and came straight to the steps. She\nwas concious of thinking he certainly didn't belong in a car like\nthat because the clothes he was wearing were so old and worn (Short\nsleeved patterned sport shirt and black slacks) but she emphasized\nhow fresh, cleand and pressed they were, \"Such old clothes to be\nso clean and not wrinkly anywhere. I felt so sorry for him because\n2 person like that is proud,\" This I didn't get to elaborate upon\nFrayier\nbecause of the mother. Before he reached her apparently one of\n(apparently\nher kittens got loose of the name \"El Blotto. As she tried to\ncatch the cat he asked her, \"Is Jack here?\" Dephne said no and\nthen Oswald caught the cat and walked back towards HOWARD COHEN'S\napartment. He returned in a few moments, took the kitten from her\nand sat beside her on the steps stroking it,\nOswald cradled the cat saying, \"I like pets I prefer dogs\nbut\nI sure like cats too.\" I asked her if she had noticed his hair\nand she said yes, that it was very neat and well out. They talked\nawhile, unfortunately the Mother interspersed with \"If you know\nsomething that's when you should keep your such mouth shut\" and\nDaphne overrode her continuing with, \"Ne said he was cold \"It's\nso cold,\" he stild 'I'm SO cold. I thought he must be sick\nor something because it was such a warm day and he looked so sad\nand lonely and unhappy that I felt so sorry for him, he was. such\na nice boy I'm always picking up stray cats and dogs and I wanted\nto ask him what I could do to help him.\"\nBARBARA GLANCEY RED\nDAPENE STAPLETON\npage 4\nAt this time the CET driven by the woman returned and Oswald wrote\non a piece of payer 'LEE OSWALD', handed it to her and said \"Tell\nJack I was here. \" Daphne folded the piece of paper and put it in\nthe book as a bookmark. I asked her if she had given it to Jack\nand she said \"No, I forgot to give it to him and I didn't give\nhim the message either. I forgot about it completely it wasn't\nuntil after everything happened that I saw the paper again that I\neven remembered it all because I'd been sick. \" Here things\nbecame confusing because of the idiotic mother trying to drown\nDaphne out by telling me the details of all Daphne's miscarriages,\nBut through it all Daphne was saying with determination, \"Mother\nI'm trying to answer her questions They aren't interested in that,\nthey know what they want and if I can help I'm going too \"\nThis\nHER\nis where BILL SULZER entered into discourse.\nShe said she didn't see the paper again untill she reopened the book\nsometime later Bill Sulser came to see her in a panio., \"Don't\never toll them (?) I knew Oswald.\" Daphne then said, \"I know he\nsaw him several times 1? Interuption \"Alright! I'd swear I'm\npositive he saw him at least once He (Bill Sulzer) said he had\nbeen with him several times and that he had introduced him (Oswald)\nto Jack and whatever I did not to mention it to anyone\nand thats\nwhy I thought it was so strange when Dave Snyder and that other\nman came to see me because I knew the only way they could have\nknown where I lived was if Bill gave them my address and I didn't\nknow why he would do that when he had been so scared and I thought\nthey were from the DA's and they were so awful to me, \"\nAt this point Sciambra knocked on the door and as the mother left\nthe room I gave Daphne a card with my number on it and said \"Call\nany time of day or night.\" She nodded and tucked it out of sight\nas her mother returned to room. Both women agreed to my talking\nto Daphne again with Dephne apologizing and saying she would be\nin better shape the next time I came. The mother made it quite\nBARBARA GLANCEY REIP\nDAPHINE STAPLETON\npage 5\nclear there wash's & man on earth she trusted and she would be\nsatisfied for all men to stay away and not bother Daphne, however\nI was welcome to come back any time.\nAs I started out the door, Daphne continued talking about Bill\nsaying that Bill had gone to Jack and told him not to talk about\nmeeting, but told Jack that Jack had introduced Oswald to him. (Bill)\nDaphne said Jack was so upset at that, that she thought he had\ngone to the FBI to tell them he had never met Oswald but that\nit seemed the man who seemed to know about Oswald would be Sulzer.\nUpon our return to New Orleans I talked to Jack Frazier that\nsame evening. I asked him if he had approached the FBI and he\nsaid he had not, that they had come to him and asked him about\na trip to Mexico that he had made with Howard Cohon in January\nof 1963. He insists that as far as he knows he never did meet\nOswald, but does not rule out possibility. He seemed to feel\nthat Daphne was completely credible and I didn't detail\nanything to him. He feels'a sense of protectiveness for Sulzer\nor at least appears to.\nIt seems Daphne would be worth talking to some more if only\nto find out more about the note and wether she still has it.\nEven though Daphne was in a very nervous state to the extent\nof continually shaking hands, it might be attributable to her\nmother's presence and it seems she might be different in other\nsurroundings.\nOCANCEY RED\nE\nRE: KERRY THORNLEY INQUIRY : Memo\nindicates that JIM DYER + ROGER LOVIN were close\npen\nfriends of his in N.O. Possible info sources. ges\nneeded B/! I\nblue\nNOTE: A VERY GENERALIZED\nLiab\n%\nDelim\nBASES MEMO, - BUT ESTABLISHES WITNESS TOUCHES TOO MANY Too ASSOCIATIONS- MANY Re: FERRIE\n\"RUTH KYLER\" (or KEELER)\nLAYTON MARTENS\nFOR THIS. To BE DISREGARDED. 82\nOSWALD (re notabook I) I\n\"FRIENDS OF DEMOCRATIC CUBA\nBEVERLY FARLEY ON MARCH 2, 1968\n(ne \"TIGER JIM\")\nCUBANS KERRY THORNLEY (ne \"JIM DYER\",\n\"OH, YES, I THOUGHT YOU KNEW THAT I KNEW DAVE FERRIE!\"\nMORRIS BROWNLEE\nRADICAL RIGHT WING\nNet him in Oct. 1963. Beverly's father died in August just\nafter her sixteenth birthday. She is only twenty now and her\nfirst flush of freedom and defiance is very vivid in her memory\nbecause of this. She had not yet started to drink or fool\naround with drugs so there is no question of disorientation\nattributable to that.\nKnew and had seen at D. FERRIE'S apartment TOWNY COLPTON,\nLAYTEN NATENS, BEAUEOUF, is RUTH KYLER. Said thet Ruth would\nKyla Rutt\nprobably have a lot mode information because she was always\naround there. Tried to avoid any emphasis on RUTH'S name\n(Keele,?)\nbecause her (BEVERLY) involvement with the group was because\nimemlum\nshe and RUTH were best friends and RUTH'S father had brought\na morals charge against either Compton or MELVIN COFFEE because\nto NA?\nof RUTH. beverly met FERRIE in WRAY GILL'S office when she\ntack\nwent with RUTH to talk. about the investigation of Ruth's case\nDave Ferrie was making.\nBeverly started Coing with Layten Martens and was convinced she\nhonnedy\nwas in love with him.\nAt this point Beverly interjected that CHARLIE O'DELL,\nDenro\nwho was arressted at the same tims (actually a day OI' two later)\nfor being involved as Beverly's supplier of LSD, was one of\nDave Ferrie's students in his flight instruction school.\nnikol\nAt Dave Ferrie's ******** apartment Severly met a man named\nJIM no last name that she could remember. Lived with Ferrie\nand Beaubouf. Feels he was involved in Cuban activities because\nduba.\nof conversations. Worked for Ferric at service station on\nLouisiana Avenue and later on Veteran's highway. Jim was blond,\nshort, real light skin, about 26 or even younger, tatoo on chest,\nstrong hillbilly accent and had either front tooth, or teeth,\nmissing and used to SN, \"I got this tooth knocked out in boot\ncamp\". Went up to Ferrie's apartment one afternoon to see Jim\nalone. But did not say why. Says she saw 2. rifle laying 202053\nthe bed, but not wether this was that afternoon or another time\nthe\nBEVERLY FARLEY\n2\nand that she never saw Jim after that time but that he did\ncall her several times for her to call him but that she did\nnot return his calls.\nIn November, Beverly and Layten were on Louisiana Ave on thei\nway to Dave Ferrie's apartment because she wanted to talk to\nDave. Around two or three in the morning. At first she said,\n\"This was around the time of the assassination.\" And then\nshe stopped, looked startled and said, \"Say\nit might even\nhave been that trip\n! You know, the MISKE more I remember\nthe more I think I might know too much.\"\nThe ran into a beige station wagon or truck (Which could mean\nOct about Morris\na station wagon with panels instead of back windows.) and Dave\nFerrie, Alvin Beaubouf, Morris Brownlee and Jim (?) were in it.\nSomebody had a rifle. She remained in the car but could see\nthe rifle and apparently more guns in back. Layten got out\nto talk to them. She feels Morris was driving the car. She\nwanted to get out and talk to Dave but Layten told her to stay\nin the car and not bother them, they were going on a trip.\nBeverly asked where and Layten said, \"They're going snipe\nhunting.\" She asked, (3.R.) \"What do you call those green\nclothes, camouflage suits? They were all wearing those.\"\nThis was the last time she saw Dave Ferrie. The incident\nof going to his apartment to see Jim was after this and while\nshe was there Dave pulled up in front of the house and called\nup to Jim but she did not sec him.\nThe following notes are all said by Beverly in a rather\ndisorderly way because she was in a hurry to get to church.\nSomebody should try to find out why MIKE CALLYA (phone. so.)\ncommited suicide. Was son of a gangster. Couple of years ago in\nHammond.\nHelvin Coffee worked at Michould and Tommy Compton should\nknow where he is, they were close friends. Last time I saw him\nwas at Rizso's Rest. was about. two years ago with new bride, Julie.\nHe might have been transferred to Cape Kennedy.\nBEVERLY FARLUY\n3\nI asked Beverly wether she had any shapshots of any of these\npeople, singly or in a group. She said no, but Layten's mother\nmight have some pictures. She, was in Jackson at that time. She\nsaid. Layton's mother was in and out of hospitals all the time.\n(It seens a possibility to me that Ruth night have some\npictures. Though Ruth and Morris did not date at that\nMARTEN'S mother ?\n0:F81 was questions before\ntime, they are very close now.)\nwhen\nBeverly very positively said, \"Layten's mother knows\nthe\nsomething, and she was in Mandevillo at time of assassination and\nthose records were lost. Layten had his mother committed because\nLisfere\nshe complained the FBI was cuestioning her.\"\nB.R.\nWhen was this?\nBeverly:\nBefore the assassination. And I guess after too.\nYou know how a lot of people think that Jesus\nhad red hair and you see pictures of him with his\nhair red, well I always thought she was talking\nabout Kennedy because he had red hair and she said\nthe FBI questioned her about the killing of Jesus.\nShe was in love with Dave Ferrie and acted lake\nLayten was their son.\nB.R:\nDid you talk with her 2 lot?\nLOVIN\nBeverly:\nOh yes, we talked a lot and Layten's mother always\nkerry ROGERIEND\nsaid, 'The reason they keep having me commited to these\nmental hospitals is because they want to use my\nhouse as a meeting place for all their filthy\norgies.'\n(5522 Camp St.)\nC Blocks From\n02,\nBeverly says she and Loyten sue definitaly not Priendly no.\nShe said she met Roger Lovin while he was teaching Spanish at the\nModern Language Institute above the The Drawer for men on St. Charles.\nWhile standing in front of the the Drawer with Roger on April 14, 1964,\na GRI pullod =2 with two men in it. One may, WEARING itark glasses,\ngot out of the ORIZ and case over to them. Roger introduced the are\nto Bevoily and after they shoke a noment in Spanish the man got been\nin the car and drove off. Beverly is positive the man was Sergio\nwith any Armisto cornection Rodriguez (Spanish Instructor)\nSchlling\nLocate Locations lum! this\nBEVERLY FARLIY\n4\nACCACHTO (sp.)\nAt the time Roger was living on St. Charles with a woman\nnamed Frances\n,\na social worker who has since married\nand is now living in Nonroe, La.\nFor a while Roger was living at the Modern Language Inst.\nFrank Schilling, who was a student at LSUNO and until four non-\n&\nthee ago was working at Doubleders Book Store, was part of Roger's\ncrowd at that time. He claimed to 2. member of the Nazi Youth Party.\nThe first day Beverly talked quite freely. By Wednesday,\nMarch 6th, when she stopped by again, she was beginning to feel\nsome regrets. I suggessted she talk to Reverend Green and I was\nsure that she could feel he would tell her the only right thing\nwas to discuss it. She said she already had and that she had\ndone right in discussing. She thinks that Tames Alcock knows\nRev. Green so maybe there can be another way putting some more\npressure on her. This girl is seemingly trying to tell the truth,\na guilt expiation thing now that she has become a religious\nfanatic. But she is jittery and even with what she did say,\nthere was a lot she avoided saying and I'm sure she still knows\na lot more.\nLAYTON MARTENS\nBearly Joyton Nozi type. / Really\nCigarest Creat Reglits\nNOTA: Follow-up interview of BEVERLEY\nFARLEY is needed. (especially with more details ne LAYTON MARTENS\nIt and his connections).\nALSO: INTERVIEW with JIM DYER is urgent\ninasmich as JEANNE HICKS - THORNLEY'S GIAL FRIEND - Itale\nthat he was close for THORNLEY.\nInternew with ROGER LOVIN - re THORNLEY - is\nalso usgent if he can be located. R\n& lead fale.\nMEMORANDUM\n(+ possible LO \"substatute\")\nR: Kerry Tharnley\nDecember 12, 1967\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM: GARY SANDERS, Investigator\nRE:\nLEE HARVEY OSWALD\nMr. EDWARD A. BRAND, 1924 Riverway Lane, Dallas, Texas (a/c 214,\n227-1495) was working for the Tower Insurance Company, 1045 N.\nZangs, Dallas, Texas (a/c 214, WH 8-7596) at the time of the\nassassination. Mr. BRAND told a confidential source in Dallas\nthat a man he later said was LEE HARVEY OSWALD had asked him about\nbuying automobile insurance about a week or so before the\nassassination of President Kennedy.\nThis is an interesting piece of information since it would seem\nto verify the testimony of ALBERT GUY BOGARD, (10H352) a salesman\nfor Downtown Lincoln-Mercury in Dallas, that a man who said he was\nLEE OSWALD had approached him about purchasing an automobile on\nNovember 9, 1963\nIt is also interesting to note that 1045 N. Zangs is only a few\ndoors from 1026 N. Beckley.\nAs far as I know, no one from this office has talked to Mr. BRAND\nand he should be contacted for any further information that he\nmay have such as a signature of the man he talked to or an order\nform which might have been filled out in anticipation of the\ninsurance sale.\nGARY SANDERS\nCC: Bill Boxley\nR: KEARY THORNLEY\n(Cyy fo: BANISTER file)\nFebruary 20, 1968\nMEMO RE: Clint Bolton and Other French Quarter Personnel\nFor: Thornley file\nBalton file\nClint Bolton knew:\nFriends, Demo Cuba-fula\n1. Kerry Thornley\n2. Juanita Abbot (friend of Dalzell's)\n(Coprin\n3. Bill Dalzell\nor\n4. Dave Chandler\nSciambra\n5. Clint Hall\nBoily\n88\n6. Ronnie Caire (Cigali Bldg.)\nDron)\n7. Jesse Core\n8. Ray Berg (Cigali Bldg.) (Caire and Berg are enemies.)\n9. Clay Shaw\nand\n10. Tony Devine\n11. Frank Phares (writer)\nNate: BOLTON was\n12. John Dodt (700 block St. Louis)\nK\nparticularly alone to\nNote: This in an informal cummary\na long interview with Barbara Raid.\n-he R& primary value would relationship appear for\nBolton was with Reuters (India) and United Press. 50 page \"affiburit\")\nKT (See KT's is\nDuring the month of the assassination, Barbara had Thanks-\ngiving Dinner. HILL ( assanding to KI) was the who\nsrivid in No with him in early 1961\nGregory Hill was very close to Kerry Thornley. Entered\nArmy. Probably back on West Coast.\nLou Trent knew Banister real well. Leaped to his defense\nafter the Absinthe House incident.\nname\nHugh Ward used to hang out at John George's liquor store\nin Matamoros. Ward took off from Matamoros with Chep on\nthe fatal flight. Morrison had a large amount of money\n(suitcases) with him, according to Hoke May.\ndo\nFrosty Morrison (niece of Frosty Blackshear) ran off with\nas\nRuss Conger. Now in California with him. They were always\nwith Cubans in green fatiques. where ? : then mimbers of groups\nHelen Gladstone operates Jewish Civic Press. Knew Thornley\nand many others. She was often at the Ryder Club.\n(+th cars).\nRoger Lovin is at the least on the fringe Quite likely\nthat all the stories (Ruby contacting him Oswald his\nroommate) have some Nam.\nHis father owns much land around Slidell. Right now is\nplaying in the band at the Gunga Den.\nWilliam Crais was lawyer, but never seemed to work.\nJerry Halford might know some of these people -- Bill Crais,\nfor example. Will probably be helpful.\nIvan Kotteman. Is artist at Jackson Square now. His brother\nwas co-author with Shaw on \"Men Without Women\". Went to\nWarren Easton.\n-2\nKotteman moved from his \"Salle d'Armes\" and opened up a\nMexican Restaurant. Cubans hung out there. 522 Bourbon.\n(Jack Frazier would know how to contact him.)\nBuckley, remittance man (claims to be brother of William\nBuckley) Is a drunk and homosexual. Lives at 1200 block\nDauphine. ( of this is Ross Buskley attorney he brother in of\nWim / Buskley not that he country) in CIA wffie homestical City,\nWill Brady is believed by Barbara Reid to have lived close\nto Clay Shaw. (Su the reports ~ BRADY + RYDER CLUB)\nMartin McAuliffe had book published by Doubleday. Knows\nBolton. Hung around the Bourbon House (Sally-Sayers-Nelson\nwould know). Reid believes he was with Allen Johnson or\nRonnie Caire. He called Barbara about something soon after\nshe saw Oswald.\nGlenn Douthitt may know many of the persons and happenings.\nNoel Jeffries, graphic arts studio, same thing.\nDave Chandler and Thornley had to know each other. Dave\nwas close to John McEachron and Caplinger (Grace) was close\nto Thornley. John married Grace.\nes\nR :\nHERRY\nMEMORANDUM\nTHORNLEY\nMay 10, 1968\nof\nTO:\nJIM GARRISON, District Attorney\nFROM:\nANDREW J. SCIAMBRA, Assistant District Attorney\nRE:\nJIM SERIO\nJIM SERIO informed me tha t SANDY KRASNOFF's wife, DOTTY, used to\nbe employed by an automobile tire company. She said that OSWALD\ncame into her company driving a pickup truck with HIDELL's name\nQ:KT?\nwritten on the side of the truck. OSWALD bought four tires and\ncharged them. Later on it was her job to try and collect the\nmoney for the tires. She said she called OSWALD on the phone\ntwo or three times and the last time she called him OSWALD told\nher that he was not responsible for the tires and that she could\ntalk to his attorney who was with him at the time. A person got\non the phone and talked to her and identified himself as DAVID\nFERRIE and said that he was OSWALD's attorney. FERRIE informed\nher that he knew the law and that OSWALD was notresponsible for\nthe tires and would not pay for them. They argued about this\npoint and she later commented to FERRIE that he had the right\nname because he sounded like a fairy on the phone. She said there\nare records that should verify this and she said that on the day\nthat DAVID FERRIE died a writer from Time magazine came to her\nhouse to inquire about this story. (LOU IVON has already checked\ninto this.)\nPARTIAL LIST OF INCA MEMBERS: (T-P. 12 - 12 - 63)\nDr. Alton Ochsner. Proo\nFaurice W Grundy, Treas.\nEdgar A G Bright\nGibbons Burine (son-in-Law of Nairne)\nRemored\nWillard E Robertson\nWillound 5 Robertion\nWallace M Davis\nRelevance is not\nMartin M forekh Gurtler III\nR Kirk Foyer\ntheir group - but\nDean A E Papale\nin G Zetsmann (deceased)\nEd Butter\nAndre Lapeyre ( #\n)\nGonzalo Abaurza Jr\nRichard Baunbach\nPat Browne\n&\nDr Issac Casariego\nDr Albort Corriglia\nDr Jos Craven\nRichard G Dronn Jr\n(R.G. DROWN L5PA-PR-PROB)\nB Frank Eshleman\nDr Dinorah Esteva\nDr J D Grey\nMrs Matilda 0 Gray\n+\nDa Joe Hopitine\nDr Win Loake\nItem Iillain Martines\nDr Robert Heade\nC L Ihirue\nRichard Hewen\nHarry L Peace\nRobert Rainold\nA\nJames T Richards\nEustio Reily\nDr Jos V Status Schlesser\nEdgar Stern. Jr\nPercival Stern\nDr Geo St John\nCicil Shilstone\nA\nDan Sullivan\nGarner Tullis\nE11 Tullis\nSeymous Wedne\nB D Wingfield (V-P. Freeport Sulphus)\nBARBARA GLANCEY REID\n5568\nTO: JIM GARRISON\nFROM: ROBERT HEAD\nRE: THE HOUSE OF BULTMAN\nI think it might be worth your time to check out the House of Bultman & Muriel Bultman.\nShe has been described to me as what they call a \"fruitfly.\"\nWas once engaged to Shaw. They apparently needed opera partners.\nGave Wegmann, Shaw's lawyer, $1000, after inditement.\nHouse of Bultman's clients are mostly Latin Americans.\nShe also has something to do with a dance studio which arranges dances for special\noccasions.\nThe House of Bultman believes that their place of business is under surveillance,\nby whom they don't know.\nmay be Gayle Parmalee Atudio.\nBARBARA GLANCEY REID\n5568\nRE: KERRY THORNLEY INQUIRY : Memo\nindicates that JIM DYER + ROGER LOVIN were close\nfriends 1 his in N.O. Possible info sources. ges\nneeded\nB/!\nD\nNOTE: A VERY GENERALIZED\nBASES MEMO, - BUT ESTABLISHES WITNESS TOUCHES Too MANY Too ASSOCIATIONS- MANY Re: FERRIE\nFOR THIS. To BE DISREGAADED. Jr.\n\"RUTH KYLER' (or KEELER)\nLAYTON MARTENS\nOSWALD (re notabook I)\n\"FRIENDS OF DEMOCRATIC CUBA\nbeverly FARLEY ON MARCH 2, 1968\n(ne \"TIGERJIM\")\nCUBANS KERRY THORNLEY (ne \"JIM DYER\")\n\"OH, YES, I THOUGHT YOU KNEW THAT I KIIEW DAVE FERRIE!\"\nMORRIS BROWNLEE\nRADICAL RIGHT WING\nNet himlin Oct. 1963. Beverly's father died in August just\nafter her sixteenth birthday. She is only twenty now and her\nfirst flush of freedom and defiance is very vivid in her memory\nbecause of this. She had not yet started to drink or fool\naround with drugs so there is no question of disorientation\nattributable to that.\nKnew and had seen at D. FERRIE'S apartment TONY COLPTON,\nRutt\nLAYTEN ATENS, beaueouf, is RUTH KYLER. Said that Ruth would\nprobably have a lot mode information because she was always\naround there. Tried to avoid any emphasis on RUTH'S name\n(Keeln?)\nKeyer\nbecause her (beverly) involvement with the group was because\nshe and RUTH were best friends and RUTH'S father had brought\nwillsh talls\nRemember\na morals charge against either Compton or NELVIN COFFEE because\nto MAY NA\nof RUTH. beverly met FERRIE in WRAY GILL'S office when she\ntack\nwent with RUTH to talk about the investigation of Ruth's case\nDave Ferrie was making.\nBeverly started Coing with Layten Martens and was convinced she\nhonnedy\nwas in love with him.\nAt this point Beverly interjected that XXXXIX CHARLIE O'DELL,\nDenno\nwho was arressted at the same tims (actually a day OF two later)\nfor being involved as Beverly's supplier of LSD, was one of\nDave Ferrie's students in his flight instruction school.\nAt Dave Ferrie's ******* apartment Severly met a man named\nJIM, no last name that she could remember. Lived with Ferrie\nunite duba. JIM\"\nand Beaubouf. Febls he was involved in Cuban activities because\nof conversations. Worked for Ferric at service station on\nLouisiana Avenue and later on Veteran's highway. Jim was blond,\nshort, real light skin, about 26 oz even younger, tatoo on chest,\nstrong billbilly accent and had either front tooth, or teath,\nmissing and used to SN, \"I got this tooth knocked out in boot\ncamp\". Went up to Ferrie's apartment one afternoon to SSO Jim\nDyea\nalone. But did not say why. Says she saw 2. rifle laying 202053\nthe bed, but not wether this was that afternoon or another time\nBEVERLY FARLEY\n2\nand that she never saw Jim after that time but that he did\ncall her several times for her to call him but that she did\nnot return his calls.\nIn November, Beverly and Layten were on Louisiana Ave on thei\nway to Dave Ferrie's apartment because she wanted to talk to\nDave. Around two or three in the morning. At first she said,\n\"This was around the time of the assassination. \" And then\nshe stopped, looked startled and said, \"Say\nit might even\nhave been that trip\n:\nYou know, the ENSEE more I remember\nthe more I think I might know too much.\"\nMorris\nThe ran into a beige station wagon or truck (Which could mean\na station wagon with panels instead of back windows.) and Dave\nFerrie, Alvin Beaubouf, Morris Brownlee and Jim (?) were in it.\nask\nSomebody had a rifle. She remained in the car but could see\nthe rifle and apparently more guns in back. Layten got out\nfrom?\nto talk to them. She feels Morris was driving the car. She\nwanted to get out and talk to Dave but Layten told her to stay\nin the car and not bother them, they were going on a trip.\nBeverly asked where and Layten said, \"They're going snipe\nhunting. \" She asked, (3.R.) \"What do you call those green\nclothes, camauflage suits? They were all wearing those, \"\nThis was the last time she saw Dave Ferrie. The incident\nof going to his apartment to see Jim was after this and while\nshe was there Dave pulled up in front of the house and called\nup to Jim but she did not see him.\nThe following notes are all said by Beverly in a rather\ndisorderly way because she was in a hurry to get to church.\nSomebody should try to find out why MIKE CALLYA (phone. sp.)\ncommited suicide. Was son of a gengster. Couple of years ago in\nHammond.\nHelvin Coffee worked at Michould and Tommy Compton should\nknow where he is, they were close friends. Last time I saw him\nwas at Rizso's Rest. was about two years ago with new bride, Julie.\nHe might have been transferred to Cape Kennedy.\nBEVERLY FARLIX\n3\nI asked Deverly wether she had any shapshots of any of these\npeople, singly or in a group. She said no, but Layten's mother\nmight have some pictures. She was in Jackson at that time. She\nsaid.Layton's mother was in and out of hospitals all the time.\n(It seens a possibility to me that Ruth might have some\npictures. Though Ruth and Horris did not date at that\nQ:F81 was questions\ntime, they are very close now.)\nwhen\nmother ? before\nBeverly very positively said, \"Layten's mother knows\nthe\nsomething, and she was in Mandeville at time of assassination and\nthose records were lost. Leyten had his mother committed because\nlifere\nshe complained the FBI was questioning her. \"\nB.R.\nWhen was this?\nBeverly: Before the assassination. And I guess after too.\nYou know how a lot of people think that Jesus\nhad red hair and you see pictures of him with his\nhair red, well I always thought she was talking\nabout Kennedy because he had red hair and she said\nthe FBI questioned her about the killing of Jesus.\nShe was in love with Dave Ferrie and acted leke\nLayten was their son.\nB.R:\nDid you talk with her 2 lot?\nLOVIN\nBeverly:\nOh yes, we talked a lot and Layten's mother always\nKERRY ROGERIEND\nsaid, \"The reason they keep having me commited to these\nmental hospitals is because they want to use my\nhouse as a meating place for all their filthy\norgies.\n(5522 Camp St.)\nC Blocks From\n02,\nBeverly says she and Leyten DUE difinitary not Sciendly now.\nShe said she met Rogor Lovin while he was teaching Spanish at the\nModern Language Institute above the To Drawer for men on St. Charles.\nThile standing in front of the top Drawer with Roger on April 14, 1961,\na car pulled =2 with two MBN in it. One may, WEARING itark glasses:\ngot out of the ORIZ and care over to them. Roger introduced the use\nto Bevorly and after they smoke & moment in Spanish the man 601 back\nin the car and drove off. Beverly is positive the man yes Sergio\nwith Q: any Arnesto cornection Rodriguez ? (Spanish Instructor)\nfreste lum! this\nBEVERLY PARLEY\n4\nACCACHEO (sp.)\nAt the time Roger was living on St. Charles with a women\nnamed Frances\n,\na social worker who has since married\nand is now living in Monroe, La.\nFor & while Roger was living at the Modern Language Inst.\nto\nFrank Schilling, who was a student at LSUIO and until four non-\nthee ago was working at Doubleders Book Store, was part of Roger's\ncrowd at that time. He claimed to 2 member of the Nazi Youth Party.\nThe first day Beverly talked quite freely. By Wednesday,\nMarch 6th, when she stopped by again, she was beginning to feel\nsome regrets. I suggessted she talk to Reverend Green and I was\nsure that she could feel he would tell her the only right thing\nwas to discuss it. She said she already had and that she had\ndone right in discussing.\nShe thinks that Names Alcock knows\nRev. Green so maybe there can be another way putting some more\npressure on her. This girl is seemingly trying to tell the truth,\na guilt expiation thing now that she has become a religious\nbown\nfanatic. But she is jittery and even with what she did say,\nthere was a lot she avoided saying and I'm sure she still knows\n2. lot more.\nLAYTON MARTENS\nBearly Jayton nozi type. / Really\nAgainst Cual Reglits\nNOTA: Follow-u interview of BEVERLEY\nFARLEY is needed. (especially with more details ne LAYTON MARTENS\nIt and his connections)\nALSO: INTERVIEW with JIM DYER is urgent\nmasmich as JEANNE HICKS - THORNLEY'S GIRL FRIEND - state\nthat he was close for THORNLEY.\nInternew with ROGER LOVIN - se THORNLEY - is\nalio usgant if he can be located. &"
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