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    "ocrText": "Telecon\nPhilip Geyelin\n7:00 p. m. 6/3/69\nKissinger wanted to make clear that he was not complaining about\nanything they had done. He said it was an odd charge to make from\na paper who has been asking him over for backgrounders. Geyelin\nsaid he was not making a charge. He wanted to know HAK's feeling\non whether this kind of thing works. HAK said he thinks it is an\nagreement worth discussion on a matter-of-fact baxxx basis. Geyelin\nsaid they were delighted to have him over and understood they did so\nknowing it is not going to be for attribution. HAK said he had no\nparticular interest in giving the backgrounders. G said in cases like\nthis, when they are called by the WH, they are in a difficult position\nto say no. This has a long history. HAK said the only thing is they\ncan't quote where they got the information. The figures he gave were\nstudied by the WH and were not his personally No one caamed that he\nmade up these figures. HAK said they didn't gain anything by\nascribing the figures to a person although G did. He was beginning to\nthink it looked like when Rostow gave figures they might not be accepted\nbut when Kissinger gives figures, you don't argue. It makes a lot of\ndifference whether you are talking about what is secure and whether\nyou are saying that there is a direct statistical relationship when one\nset of gixix figures varies and the other stays the same. The gray area\nis \"enemy attack\" and how it is interpreted. HAK understood G's\nphilosophy about the idea of a backgrounder. He added that you can\nuse these figures and show on one hand why de-escalation doesn't work\nbut you can use them to prove that escalation doesn't work either. He\nadded that he never speaks for quotations. He said he would re-examine\nhis position on backgrounders. He didn't see that he should speak on\nquotes or how the White House can fail to speak to the press.\nG wanted HAK to talk to Meg about the ABM but he said it would have\nto wait until he got back from Midway.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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