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TELECON
Mr. Kissinger
Bob Haldeman
June 4, 1969 -- 7:35 p. m.
K told H he had reviewed again the backgrounder to which Rogers
had referred, and noted that the inference was absurd and had been
taken out of context. It was talking about what happens after
settlement. K said it stood to reason that his backgrounder was
before the speech. Chalmers Roberts wrote his article after the
speech and said there had been nothing new in it. K said he found
this very distasteful.
H said he had just talked to the President about Laird's depositions,
The President asked H to call Richardson, tell him about the DOD
depositions, and ask him to do the same at State. H asked K how
he thought that would be received. K said not very well that the
screws had been turned very well up to now but that one notch too
many might kick back. This would mean a loss rather than a gain.
In response to a query from K, H said the President had directed
him to call Richardson now because he wanted to get something
going on it. H said Richardson was in with Rogers and that he (H)
had really been grinding on him. He thought he would check with
Laird to see how he went about obtaining the depositions and, then
when Richardson called him shortly, he would advise him of the
President's desire for similar action at State. He asked what K
thought, and K said it was his instinct not to grind on them any more.
The major thing to achieve now is an expression of Presidential
displeasure. H said the President knows it isn't likely but thinks
he is going to find out who did it. K said it wouldn't be found by
deposition. H thought it might if enough fear were put into them
by requiring it, but K said enough fear has been implanted now
as you are likely to obtain. He felt they are really shaken, but said
it was a question of judgment. H wondered how a kick-back would
occur. K said, 'if Bill calls the President and screams, do you not
think the President will say, "Forget about it; I understand.
1
H said he saw what K meant and would wait to see what Richardson
came up with when he reported to H. (H, in the course of the
conversation, said the President had asked him again if he had told
K there would be no more NSC meetings. K said he planned to
talk with the President about this when he got out there.)
lds
Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library
DECLASSIFIED
This document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.
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