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    "ocrText": "Telecon\nJames Shepley\n10:15 a. m. 9/25/69\nK said the President has asked him to call Shepley. He would have done it\nhimself, but he has Golda Meir in today SO Shepley should assume that K\nis speaking for the President. Hugh Sidey was in yesterday and said that\nTime was taking the editorial position that we should disassociate ourselves\nfrom Thieu and move further in making peace overtures and are supporting the\nHarriman/Vance view. Shepley said that disturbed him very much. K said\nhe called Grunwald last night and he confirmed it. G said Sidey may have\nexaggerated the Thieu position a bit though. G said that if Harriman/Vance\nand the New York Times come out together how can the Timex\nstand\nback.\nK asked if he could speak very frankly and S said fine.\n\"We all remember when you came in telling us that Thieu was the most\nimpressive man you met. 11 This new development \"is really not in accord\nwith what your own people told us. 11 The point is this, we are trying to\nget a reasonable peace. We are way beyond the point that we are trying to\nimpose our terms. There has been an unbelievable amount of concessions\nand there hasn't been the slightest response from the other side. To say\nthere has been a lack of imagination is preposterous. It shows a collapse\nof the leadership group that is appauling. To be told because Harriman,\nVance and the New York Times are ? and that Luce publications have\nto be also, is incomprehensitle. I think it is impossible to settle this war\nif every time Hanoi produces a stalemate, the pressure is on us to make\nanother concession. It will not produce a settlement, it will produc e the\nopposite.\nShepley said he agreed completely with K. S said the key to that is Hedley\nand he would talk to him.\nAnother\npoint K wanted to make, -- it is totally against the national interest\nnow to give them additional ammunition against settling. There are reasons\nto believe that this would be an inopportune time for them to see a publication\nwhich used to be hard line, that even they are turning on the President. K\nasked S to forgive him for putting it so strong. S again said he was on K's\nside and would do all he could to see what could be done. K sa id he would\nlike to sit down with Sidey, Hedley and Shepley and give his thinking. S\nsa id he would see if he could get Hedley to come down. K said he would\nlike to talk about what is happening to our establishment. It gives one cause\nfor concern. What will it do to our society, international position and even\nto our young. Alot of people will be ashamed later on if we do this now.\nS said he would get back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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