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Adam Walinsky
Mr. Kissinger
2:35 p. m. , October 9, 1969
Mr. Walinsky began with, "Don't say I didn't give you any notice. 11
K responded with, 'when I left Harvard, some of my Harvard SDS
friends inscribed a memento "with admiration and affection until we
meet on opposite sides of the barricade".
W said the Oct 15 Moratorium is the biggest thing going now -- he's
never seen anything like it. It's bigger than 1968. He doesn't know
who's telling what down here in Washington, but you cannot carry a country
that feels this way. K said, 'we're not talking for publication? W
said no. He went on to say if there is no response, the consequences
yill be very serious and he thinks the Administration is going to have
to make a shift. This started with what the 6 RAND fellows said (K
said he had not seen it). W said these 6 individuals who work on
Vietnam at Rand have said you have to start to get out, and be out in
a year. W said there is nothing else that is going to do it. W said
he called K because he respects him and because of his sense and
judgment.
K told W they were at one time part of essentially the same cause,
and he likes to believe that whatever may happen in the meantime he
won't forget and W won't; however, you have to be true to whatever
you are doing now. W agreed, but said on top of that is the country.
K said but they[other side] must have a little compassion and under-
standing for the XXX fact that we (the Administration) want peace
and not the way Johnson said it. When Johnson talked, you were
interrupting his primary concern for winning the war.
W said he was trying to give K an obvious judgment -- what we are
talking about goes beyond the combat. W said he also has made a
considered judgment about K's boss politically -- he is done. K said
W was right in June and if he is even approximately right now
W said he was trying to get through -- not to just K -- but all others
in Washington because he doesn't want to see a profound constitutional
crisis in the country. In response to query by K, W said the President
is finished he is not going to get re-elected and he should realize
that is where he is. W said the President is at the point worse than
LBJ was two years into his term in 1966. W said, disregarding
the question of where people want to go or can go -- K will not believe
what is going to take place. He said Roswell Gilpatrick will be
reading lists of war dead at Trinity Church on October 15. K said
all those who got us into this should keep their mouths shut.
Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library
DECLASSIFIED
This document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.
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