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    "ocrText": "Telecon\nSecretary Laird\n11/28/69 5:40 p.m.\nK said he had a memo from Bill about cease-fire, permanent cease-\nfire in Vietnam. L said he had just the opposite. K said very good,\nbecause this is totally against the President's wishes. L said he's\ngot one 24-hours one, but there's nothing in that except by the word\nof the P's May 14 speech. K said thats the P's wish. L said he said\nit's better if State has one and I have one; I didn't want to go along\nwith that one.\nK said the President wanted\nme to send out a memo saying pipe-down. L said he would get\nit\nover to K tonight; he was going to deliver it tomorrow morning. K\nsaid if it was convenient, tonight would be helpful; then K could get\nit to Key Biscayne tomorrow morning.\nL said he didn't always want to complain, but he had a complaint\nabout the NSC meeting. L said there was a leak of Seabed, now on\nbiblogical research and chemical warfare, as if the JCs had been un-\ncooperative. K said who leaked it; frankly I thought it came out of\nDefense. L said it did not come out of Defense! L said his people\nthink is was ACDA or State. L said only Wheeler and himself could\nhave leaked it, and he knew it wasn't Wheeler, and it wasn't himself.\nK said he want to the P and told him that the JCs were cooperative.\nThe P said maybe one of L's people did it; thought it would make him\nlook good. L said it makes it more difficult. L said there were too\nmany people in that room. There were many from ACDA and State;\nonly two from Defense in that room. K said we didn't holler before\nbecause we didn't want to embarrass your people. L said you can't;\nthe JC went along on the expenditure cuts and other cuts; L doesn't\nthink it's fair. K agreed. K said some people thought of this as a\ncounter-weight; K said we don't need a counterweight to the JCs; they\nare cooperative. K said it's totally against what the President wants,\nand what you want--it's not right. L said if they can't express them-\nselves in the meeting like that and not have it go out, L is going\nto\nbring it up at the next meeting. K said he wishes L would; as long as\nyou don't want to complain about me. K said he doesn't always want\nto be the bastard. L said they did it on Seabed; they did it on SALT.\nK said he wishes L would raise it. L said this will work if we trust\neach other; but we don't. L said he doesn't even debrief from NSC\nmeetings. K said we're on your side. K said he was sure it wasn't\nhis staff; it had to be State or ACDA. K said he's not going to let\nanybody but Jerry Smith in any more. L said the think he doesn't like\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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