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J: No, you had to. Shimoda said it was personal from the Prime Minister
He said Shimoda is the one to handle it.
K: That's what he told the President.
J: Yes, the word he had from the Prime Minister is what I gave you.
K: He said there would be new instructions tomorrow.
J: Well, according to how they wanted to play it--I've taken the position
that I'll handle it however they want to play it.
K: From where I sit, it's been handled with exquisite tact. They just
haven't been able to handle their bureaucracy.
J: I've been going through some charades to help them at the Prime
Minister's request. I thought it was okay. Now it's not any more.
K: Well, get him to see the Commerce Minister alone, and give them what
the word I got specifically is that the substance would not be changed. He would like
a little help by being able to point to something.
J: Okay. Do you know Hira sawa?
K: Yes, I'm not eager to talk with him about textiles though.
J: He wanted to see me and you. It's Shimoda's impression that Hirasawa
"knows everything. 11
K: Yes, but we don't know whether Shimoda knows everything.
J: This is the problem. It's clear to me that Shimoda doesn't know about
the piece of paper.
K: No one knows about it. I talked to him and -- I lied to him--] said no
one here knows about it. We are just issuing directives from here.
J: I've told Armin.
K: He won't make a slip?
J: No, I didn't tell him about the piece of paper. Are you going to see
Hirasawa?
Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library
DECLASSIFIED
This document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.
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