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    "ocrText": "DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\nI\nTelcon\nHAK and Dicbold C2 pp.) SANITIZED\n2/4/70\nD\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts - Telephone Conversations\nJ\nFOLDER TITLE\n1970 1-7 Fab.\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nDECLASSFE;1989-235-084/00024\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Freeman\n10:19 a. m., February 1, 1970\nK:\nStrictly for the Prime Minister, we wanted you to know\nthe President's current thinking on that message. He doesn't\nintend to reply immediately -- at the earliest on Thursday, and\nwill probably wait at least a week. We will discuss the reply with\nyou once we have it outlined.\nF:\nWe presumably have received our letter and will want to\ntalk with you. I don't want to take your time, but I am very disturbed\nabout that other matter. If you can find 15 minutes some time this\nwekk, I would appreciate your seeing me.\nK:\nI want you to know that I have no belief at all that there was\nany ill will involved.\nF:\nThat we take for granted. But I value very much the relationship\nwe have over there.\nK:\nI will explain it in detail to you personally. One was low-level;\nand one was fairly high-level.\nF:\nI will take action as soon as you tell me.\nK:\nI'm sure you will.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n10:22 a. m., February 1, 1970\nK:\nThe President has your letter. I have had a brief talk with\nhim about it and will talk to him again. We will reply to it in due\ncourse.\nD:\nYou wouldn't know when it will be? I don't want to know the\nexact date, just approximately. Could you make a guess for my own\ninformation?\nK:\nThe President is going to Chicago on Thursday - it will be\neither then or early next week; toward the end of this week or early\npart of next week. I will let you know. This is not an official statement\nof when. We are reading it with the respect that any communication\nfrom your Prime Minister receives here. We will answer it in the\nsame spirit.\nD:\nYou will let me know?\nK:\nYes. (Jokingly), If you take me away from the ballet again,\nthere will be drastic consequences. I didn't see it; I went right back\nto Washington.\nD:\nCould I arrange the next one for you?\nK:\nAre you coming with your editors on Tuesday?\nD:\nI may, but I'm not sure. Sometimes they want to come alone.\nK:\nThat wouldn't be an occasion for us to talk, but it would be a\npleasure to see you.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nProfessor Doty\n11:12 a. m., February 1, 1970\nK:\nWe are having a minor flap this weekend, so I can't talk\nlong, but I wanted to talk to you about the ABM business.\nD:\nI have been thinking about it.\nK:\nThe Press Conference was a direct result of all the pressures\nRuina is trying to bring. If a huge campaign starts now, you are\ngoing to force formal statements that will be hard to live down.\nWhen you come down, I will explain it to you.\nD:\nI will be down on Tuesday afternoon and evening.\nK:\nLet me talk to you briefly then.\nD:\nDid you mean Ruina?\nK:\nHe is very active on the General Advisory Committee of ACDA,\nwhich has done a number of things which triggered this series of events.\nThey wrote a letter to the President trying to influence his State of\nthe Union message, which I had already told them would not contain\nanything on ABM. Between you and me, DuBridge is an utter disaster.\nD:\nHe isn't informed enough to be useful.\nK:\nHe isn't informed enough to be useful, and he doesn't understand\nwhat a Presidential Assistant has to do. He confuses everybody. He\ndoesn't tell the Committee what the real problems are. The basic\npoint is this: (1) It is impossible for the President to be driven off\nABM after all he put into it last year that is a fact of life. (2) He\nbelieves very much in area defense. We can argue whether it is wise\nor not that is another fact of live we have to live with. Since he\nworks very much alone on his speeches, no one puts him up to this.\n(3) How one can manage it in connection with SALT is a consideration.\nWe can arm the Arms Delegation with packages now which would have\nbeen inconceivable six months ago. There is even a case to be made\nfor showing some movement before agreement. The only thing to be\ndebated is: the rate at which one moves is getting to be irreversible.\nNo one is trying to sneak anything by.\nD:\nGiven his personal interest in area defense, since the Chinese\nmovement is slower than anticipated, why make it a central issue\nnow?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nK:\nHe didn't intend to make it a central issue. He has been\nbadgered for the last four weeks. I will tell you on Tuesday,\nassuming you will keep it in confidence [to which Doty agreed].\nAnyone can be a hero by talking to the outside. I thought I had\nit set up in a way in which Gerry and you wouldn't have recommended\nbetween keeping open all the options which you and Gerry would have\nrecommended for SALT, which is the primary problem now. He found\nhimself confronted again with a slow cranking up of all these pressures.\nThe President felt he had to stop this discussion -- the discussion\ngenerated by his seemingly not having made up his mind. I can't let\nyou repeat this.\nD:\nI will keep absolutely quiet.\nK:\nThere is no point in my trying to trick you. You would know\nwhen the program appeared in three weeks.\nD:\nI am going to a local meeting today to see what the local\nfeeling is.\nK:\nReserve judgment until the final program is put together.\nWhat he said didn't change anything in our internal arrangements\nexcept to knock off the options we hadn't considered anyway. It\ndoesn't mean an all-out push.\nD:\nIs our little group still worth pushing?\nK:\nYes. However, if Garvin wants to talk to me, he can't at\nthe same time write briefing papers for DuBridge. If you lose\nconfidence in me, fine; but you can't play us against each other.\nD:\nDoes DuBridge come to the meetings?\nK:\nHe comes when I ask him to. He has no influence whatsoever.\nD:\nI was down last week -- his Executive Assistant was there.\nAfter the usual compliments, he said it was really tragic that the\nscience advisors weren't in this little group, too. I told him I was\nmerely doing what I can as a private citizen.\nK:\nI have nothing against them, but I want to get the opinions\nof some people with whom I have some rapport.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 3 -\nD:\nThe basic point which cuts the most ice with me is: why\nhasn't he bothered coming to any of these panel meetings? He is\ntherefore not informed.\nK:\nWhere we stand now, the problem is results -- not to create\na great theology. That is what I am trying to get down. I think it\nwould be unfortunate if we got into another one of these bitter gights\nthis year between the scientific community and the Administration.\nI can assure you we are more anxious for SALT to succeed than\nsome of the fanatics at ACDA. We don't give a damn about on-sight\ninspections, for example. This is not to us an urgent matter. It\nwould be particularly bad to get lines frozen now before the thing\nhas been put forward. There will be plenty of time to hit it afterwards.\nAfter that, everyone will make up his mind.\nI sould like to talk to you when you come down. I have taken\nthe liberty of telling Joe Kraft, who wants to talk with someone in\nthe scientific community with whom I have kept in touch, that he\ncould call you.\nD:\nThat's all right -- I know him.\nK:\nLet's try to get a 1/2 hour on Tuesday.\nD:\nI will be there from 3:00 p.m. to about 9:00 p.m. And I\nwill keep it off the record.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJoe Sisco\n11:25 p.m., February 1, 1970\nK:\nI have had another talk with the President and told him of\nour conversation yesterday. He is aboard.\nS:\nI have an analysis prepared and a suggested reply. I will\ndo a clean draft of both and will have it for the Secretary in the next\nfew hours. Whenever you want to look at it, I will get it to you on\nthe understanding that it is a first crack.\nK:\nIt isn't that urgent [he explained that he was leaving for New\nYork returning late evening and asked Sisco to send it to his office]/\nSisco agreed to do this.\nK:\nI told Freeman we have this letter and that when the President\nhad time to focus on a reply, you would be in touch with him. I\ncalled Dobrynin and said the President received the letter and, for\nyour information, the President thinks under no circumstances should\nwe deliver before Thursday and he would prefer to hold it for a week.\nS:\nI am inclined to do it a little more quickly. A delayed answer\non our part can be exploited from a propaganda point of view as\nreflecting no interest on the part of the U.S. with regard to the\nceasefire. I would suggest Tuesday or Wednesday.\nK:\nHe won't agree to Tuesday.\nS:\nI think our answer should be factual, but low key. This\ndocument (which I read very carefully) has many propaganda overtures.\nOur reply has to be framed on the assumption they may make their\npaper public at some point. Therefore, our reply has to be framed\nin private as well as public sonsiderations.\nK:\nHe wants to make some statement that their statement we\nare colluding with the Israelis is not true.\nS:\nDid Dobrynin say that this was directly a message from anybody\nin the government?\nK:\nIt is from Kosygin to the President. I had that taken off in\nthe xeroxing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nS:\nIn addition to consulting the British and the French, we are\ngoing to have to touch base with the Israelis as well. After all,\nthey are the principal XIX thrust of this letter.\nK:\nI take it the Secretary is aboard?\nS:\nYes. I told him we were thinking in terms of low-key, down-\ngrading it to my level. The Secretary agreed.\nK:\nI told the President we were all agreed; if we weren't, I would\nbe obliged to tell him.\nS:\nWe have no problem.\nk:\nI will get it first thing in the morning. Why don't the three\nof us (K, Rogers and Sisco) get together in the morning to discuss it.\nS:\n(agreed was good idea)\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nAmbassador Lodge\n2/2/70 9:40 a.m.\nL: I'm full of interesting information on a matter we probably\nshouldn't talk about on the telephone.\nK: You want to come down?\nL: If you want to send me a plane, I'll come, or if not, you could\nsend a secretary here and I could dictate it to her. I couldn't dictate it\nto my secretary; she's not cleared. I could fly straight down, and then\nfly straight back.\nK: Y o u want to do it today?\nL: Today would be fine.\nK: Tomorrow might be better for me. I'll call you. You think\nit's interesting?\nL: I think it's very interesting. Of course, you're a better judge,\nbut it's something I've not seen.\nK: I'll call you--will let you know before the end of the morning.\nWe'll do it tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nJoe Sisco\n2/2/70 9:27 a.m.\nK: I read your letter and the cover memo, and my reaction, based\non the President's feelings - - he hasn't seen them yet - - but I think they are\nright in the ball part. I have only one suggestion and I've givenit to\nSaunders. I wonder if we shouldn't add a more conciliatory paragraph at\nthe end. And when I say we are too tough, you out to look again.\nS: I said to the Secretary you would want to be in touch--when I\nget all the suggestions together we will look at it again.\nK: Okay, that's the only major substantive change - - a more concil-\niatory paragraph at the end.\nS: We always should look like and sound like we're reasonable.\nK: Right, not be reasonable, but look that way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n2/2/70 12:15 p.m.\nK: I had a phone call from the Assistant Mayor on Saturday\nwho said his boss had been trying to get you. He was urging us to\ncall of the Pompidou visit to New York.\nR: I talked to Lindsay on Saturday, but he didn't urge me to\ncall it off at all- just the opposite. He said he thought he could han-\ndle it, and they would do everything they could to protect Pompidou.\nK: Well, they're playing games then. I told him I thought\nthis was handled by State, and I told him I thought it would be unwise\nto encourage the demonstrations.\nR: I told the President about the Lindsay call.\nK: I just wanted to close the circle.\nR: What annoys me is that he said Lindsay tried to reach me\nand couldn't.\nK: Well, it came in Saturday.\nR: True, he called in the morning, and I called him back in\nthe afternoon. He said there would be no official city welcome.\nK: He told me it would be best if he didn't come.\nR: I think they want to put the bee on us, so if anything goes\nwrong\nK: And they wanted to tell the Jewish groups.\nR: I talked to Sisco on the letter.\nK: Right, my only suggestion was to add a conciliatory para-\ngraph at the end. I think we are well positioned for this now. The\nmoves over the last months have positioned us well.\nR: Absolutely I think we are in good shape. There's nothing\nto do on the Lindsay thing?\nK: No, I just wanted to keep you informed. When are you going\naway?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n2/2/70 12:15 p.m.\npage 2\nR: Next Saturday.\nK: I wanted to see if we could have a meeting on what we\ndiscussed on the lawn. Is Friday night possible?\nR: Yes.\nK: Although it would be pretty rough. Well, I'll be back to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGerard Smith/Kissinger\n12:50 pm\n2/2/70\nK: We are putting together the annual report for the President. I told you I\nwould let you see the arms control sections. It would help if you would write\ndown on 5 or 6 pages what you think is important by Wed. evening. SALT,\nseabeds, etc. The general philosophy besides the details.\nS: We missed Hal on the Hill.\nKL Our people don't testify. Was he supposed to be there?\nS: That's what understood. But it wasn't necessary. They sniffed around about\nthe ABM.\nK: As soon as we have an opportunity I want to talk to you on the ABM\nS: I will send you a copy of the testimony. If we stick to that line -- we should not\nbadi out of any national philosophy? ? ?\nK: Fine. That's very generous.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDwight Chapin\n1:50 p. m., February 2, 1970\nC:\nCan you be ready by 5:00 p.m., Wednesday (Feb 4) for\nthe Laird, Rogers and Wheeler session?\nK:\nSure. Let me call them on that. How long will it last?\nHas he something to do in the evening?\nC:\nHe has nothing to do that evening).\nK:\nOh, damn it -- that means he may keep going on it.\nC:\nWe can come up with something to end it -- that will be\nno problem.\nK:\nMitchell should be in on it, too. There won't ae much staff\npreparation.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n2:10\npm\n2/2/70\nS: I am having sent to you now the clean copy. I have twoor three things to\nmention to you about what I want to do. I have not said anything to the French,\nBritish, or Israelis.\nK: The British have been told you will be in touch with them.\nS: A telegram from Moscow says that Kosygin has said they have sent a message\nto the President. I think this is a Soviet ploy. Nasser has announced that he will\nmake a speech tomorrow. What he will say I don't know. X I want to call the\nIsraelis in and tell them that we have received a communication. I want to give\nthem the general lines orally of what we have in mind. It gives them an opportunity\nif they have any doubts on the question of a cease fire.\nK: We would have to convince them.\nS: Of course. We would have to insist. I will call in the French and British.\nI will ask the British if they have received any communication.\nK: We don't know if they have received it?\nS: We have a report that the French and British ambassadors have been called in,\nin Moscow. I will say, here is what we tentatively believe will be our reply.\nTiming for the reply. I think it should be unhurried. There may be some advan-\ntages to getting a reply out with our position before that idiot in Cairo makes\nhis speech tomorrow.\nK: We can't change his speech.\nS:\nmind on that.\nK: You couldn't get an answer before tomorrow noon.\nS: I am not going to ask them for an answer.\nK: Don't you ask for comments?\nS: Sure. We will have a reaction tomorrow morning. Therefore, we can't reply\nbefore COB tomorrow.\nK: I don't\nS: The press report is that the Soviet ambassadors are seeing Wilson and\nPompidou. Has Dobrynin asked to see the President?\nK: We will say no.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSisco/Kissinger\n2:10 pm\n2/2/70\n-2-\nS: I have not told McCloskey anthing. I think we should send inquiries to the\nWhite House.\nK: Yes, and we will say no.\nS: Has he asked to see the President -- the answer is no. He saw you on Sat. night.\nK: Has Dobrynin asked to see the President?\nS: Yest, that's the question you will get. I will get this to you in the next 15 mins.\nK: I will call after but I don't think he will clear it before tomorwow morning.\nS: The sooner we get it cleared then we can decide when to release\nK: We know you will swait until the President wants it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n2:26 pm\n2/2/70\nR: I of was talking to Elliot a minute ago and he said the President asked\nhim the other day b how he liked his job. Elliott said fine and the President\nsaid he might not be able to keep him there long.\nK: That was just a joke.\nR: I remember something was said about Saigon but I don't think it was a good\nidea. I think if Bob Finch left to run for something or a place at Justice but not\nSaigon.\nK: Saigon is not being considered. I think the President was just in a buoyant\nframe of mind.\nR: While we are on this, we should encourage Bunker to stay. Hewas talking of\ngoing to Paris and I don't that think he should\nK: We need a steady hand in Saigon. I don't think it should be anything soon\nR: If it comes up with the President, I think we should both tell him about this.\nAs for Paris, nothing is doing there and we don't need anyone of higher rank.\nHabib is more than cabable.\nK: It just gives them a chance to kick us around.\nR: Why should we pretend something is happening when it's not. Before they\nwere giving us some esoterical signals but we have that behind us.\nK: Paris is where they have to put up or shut up.\nR: They're not getting any publicity out of there. We are getting the best of that.\nK: The President has no intention on Paris either. By the way, the President\nwants a meeting at 5:00 on Wed. with Laird, Wheeler, Mitchell, you and I to\ndiscuss B-52's in Laos as a policy and what to do if there's a mini-Tet.\n(Subsequently it was decided that the meeting would be at 5:00 on Tues. and\nthat only the latter subject would be discussed)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n3:20 pm\n2/2/70\nK: I haven't gotten your thing yet.\nS: I sent it an hour ago. I will check it on this end. We can write them faster\nthan they can deliver them.\nK: Hal Saunders and I were talking about the ideal relationship your office and\nmine have.\nS: I got up at 5:30 and I wrote until 9:00. Then I went into the office and called\nHal Saunders and a Soviet expert. And then you had the draft. In our next life\nyou will be President and I will be Secretary of State.\nK: After I did some thinking it seems there is some advantage to delivering the\nnote before Nasser speaks so it won't look like we are influenced by him.\nS: Exactly. I told the Israelis and he was ecstatic. They said they will stop\nshooting when the Arabs do.\nK: When does Nasser give his speech?\nK: I will find out.\nK: I don't think he will clear it before tomorrow morning. He wanted Wed. and\nI got him up to tomorrow. If you call Dobrynin in about 3 or 4:00 -- it isn't\nworth Presidential annoyance to ask for it earlier in the day.\nS: I will flash Cairo and find out about the speech and I will leave it in your hands.\nXX\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nChapin? /Kissinger\n3:30 pm\n2/2/70\nC: He had has Commissioner Allen of Education with him.(?)\nK: I only need 15 mins. I will be up there anyway for the meeting.\nC: Why don't you stay. They know you want to be there for the international part.\nK: I had better go up in 15 mins. What about Fred Bergsten. Is that up to me?\nC: Yes\n(Bergsten went. )\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSafire/Kissinger\n3:40 pm\n2/2/70\nK: I really appreciated that talk the other day.\nS: The VP is making a speach to the California\n(most of the remainder of this conversation was unheard\nand unrecorded because of a message to be delivered to HAKO\nS: Any nuance or anything you want us to stay away from. Just general\nforeign policy?\nK: That's right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHarlow/Kissinger\n3:45 pm\n2/2/70\nH: It's about PL - 480\nK: I'm against it.\nH: Shoud it restrict the eligibility of communist countries?\nK: There are a number of problems. A law says we cannot extend aid to a\nC ountry that is supplying NVN. It's prohibited with countries trading with\nCuba although it can be saived. Prohibited with the USSR and Communist\nChina. We would have to get a change in the laws. Let me call you. I have\na suggestion.\nH: I will be going up in 15 mins. Can you call before\nK: I will be in on the meeting. Or if I'm not, I will call you before. I am\nnot eager to be in on it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nEhrlichman/Kissinger\n3:50 pm\n2/2/70\nK: Was I supposed to sit in on the Hardin meeting?\nE: Yes, becuase of trade.\nK: I don't have to sit through the whole meeting.\nE: No. We could raise the issue first.\nK: I have someone with me. Could you call me when you are about to start on\nthat?\nE: Certainly, Henry, we run this White House to your convenience\nK: On we can do it either way.\nE: No, I am sure the President would be glad to accommodate you.\nK: I said something nice about you this morning but I am going to take it back.\nE: Wait until I need it.\nK: That's just the problem.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMarshall Green/Kissinger\n4:35 pm\n2/2/70\nG: I don't know if you saw the telegram. Porter will be seeing Park. He is\nrunning into flack on U.S. troops pulling out of Korea. Hewould like to be authorized\nto say that it's under review and we would want to listen to Park before, etc.\nK: I think that's all right.\nG: Porter will be back here on the 16th. NSSM\nwill go to the NSC on the\n18th and Porter will be here.\nK: If he is here -- I cannot speak for the President -- but he likes Porter and\nI am sure he would like to have him there. I will find out for you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJos. Alsop/Kissinger\n5:00 pm\n2/2/70\nA: We have never had this meeting we are going to have on business. What\nwould be the chance of seeing you Wed. and of the day.\nK: I will have to call you tomorrow. I will try.\nA: Any chance of getting Nancy down this coming weekend?\nK: What are you proposing?\nA: A supper for Ronald Tree who is the son of Michael Tree.\nK: When ? Saturday?\nA: Saturday evening.\nK: As a matter of fact, Nancy probably will be coming.\nA: Why don't you come then.\nK: Can I let you know? Informal?\nA: Yes and the ladies in pretty dresses. Michael might amuse Nancy.\nK: I will try to let you know tomorrow and let you know too about Wed.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHaldeman/Kissinger\n5:05 pm\n2/2/70\nK: The President can't do the meeting on Wed. at 5:00\nH: So you can do it tomorrow at 5:00.\nK: We could do it Friday night. But he'll be fresher tomorrow. We had better\ndo it tomorrow.\nH: OK. Tomorrow at 5:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJos. Kraft/Kissinger\n9:30 am\n2/3/70\nK: That column today is very low. First, you don't know what the decision is.\nSecondly, you don't know what my position is, and thirid, not since my first book\nhave I said it is possible to calibrate nuclear weapons. CAN Once you see what\nthe decision is on Friday, you will see what I mean.\nJK: It's an attack made by serious people -- in the Senate\nK: I am not in the habit of telling what I say to the President.\nJK: They said you are the architect. I tried to indicate that is just an opinion.\nK: There are people who have not gone with the President in the Government.\nNo one knows what the decision is.\nJK: You shouldn;t do it in such a way that people don't know where they are going.\nK: If you keep it going we are not talking about new weapons system. I don't\ndoubt that there are people who claim that this is so. That means I would have\nto apply that characterization to them too.\nJK: This comes from people you have referred to with esteem. They themselves\nfeeb that they have not been sufficiently straight forward with you.\nK: Since they don't know what X was done, it is extremely difficult to judge what\nhappened. Nevertheless, I have every confidence that once this is over you\nmay say the decision is wrong once you know what it is. To say it was managed\nfrom a preordained decision is another thing.\nJK: Gore said this yesterday. I think you are going to get major hearings that\nwill have an inevitable fall out that should bear-on(? ) on SALT negotiations.\nK: That would be a tradgedy. The conclusions could be totally wrong. They are\nnot beyond challenge. But it is different to say that it was unchallenged. The only\npeople who have had a private consultation with the President are the Arms Control\npeople and not the Joint Chiefs of Staff.\nJK: I didn't think the Chiefs were involved and I think I made that quite clear.\nK: I don't think it's proper for me to discuss what advice I gave or did not.\nI\nJK:\nX\nI knew what he was doing. A view that may be\nunfair\nand if it turns out I have no systematic bias against you or the President.\nK: No, that thought never occured to me. I don't care what a thousand people\nsay. I had no idea the President was going to say that on Friday night but that's\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJos. Kraft/Kissinger\n9:30 am\n2/3/70\n-2-\nK: (cont.) strictly off the record.\nJK: It looked only as an off-hand comment.\nK: If your informants were not always playing bureaucratic games they would\nrealize that everytime he mentions this it is what he says. They should have\nraised it as a practical issue and not put it into the theoretical. It doesn't effect\nnecessarily what he feels. If you had waited you would have seen. It's awfully\nhard to explain it. For example, I was having a meeting on this very thing. Why\nwould I have that? I know you could have assume it was duplicity.\nJK: I understand why you take it hard. If there is confusion here it is far deeper\nthen you think and is going to cause greater problems.\nK: We know and are trying to straighten it out. Serious people have different\nopinions. ?/ ? ? ? SALT.\nJK: You are using it as an adjuct to SALT, you have a card to play. I think that's\nvery serious.\nK: Laird said that a few weeks ago, I didn't; and it's a depatable proposition.\nJK: It should and will be debated by those against it.\nK: No one is trying to cut off debate. There are a lot of people always talking who\ndon't know how these decisions are made. I don't know who your informants were.\nIf that's the way the lines are drawn, I will take it.\nJK: I am grateful to you for calling. I will watch it closely. Mansfield doesn't\nusually get excited and he was really sore over the see kend.\nK: Let me separate the substance from what is being done. On substance --\nwhen we have the full program put forward, then we can have a depate. But\nit will be a different context then that we are going back to the sentinel and an\nall out defense effort. You will see that it is not so. I suffer from the illusion\nthat everyone agrees, but if that's not true then we have been deluded. But it's\na question of area defense and they elicited the President's thoughts on that.\nBut they're not necessarily the top priority for next year. That's what I was\ntrying to tell you Sat. morning.\nJK: I am really confused.\nK: ₦ You said we are switching from area to ????. The point is that the\nrational we are using this year is the same we used last year. He answered\nthat if you add area components then you add dangers about SALT. And then he\nsaid what area defense is which he has said 10 times last year.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJos. Kraft/Kissinger\n9:30 am\n2/3/70\n-3-\nJK: I could not find \"virtually infallible. \"\nK: He has said that to many groups.\nJK: Nuclear blackmail?\nK: He may not have said it publicly.\nJK: What does it mean?\nK: You can't ask me to debate the merit of the statement. I want you to under-\nstand what happened.\nJK: I am sorry if I gave you pain. If I am wrong, no one will be glader. If this\nis a wrong concern, these others wh should be set straight in a hurry.\nK: On the substance, they will have that opinion. It will still be controversial.\nBut it can be debated on it's merits. I will not discuss it except with someone\nlike you.\nJK: Look at what happened between Smith and Gore. And Mansfield says it was\nlike hell.\nK: Feelings were strong last year and they may be this year. We would like\nto prevent the depate we had last year. Howeverx it comes out, it will be drastic\nto the SALT talksk. I will tell you either when the SALT talks or when this is\nsolved I will tell you what has actually happened. The liberal should not\nalways assume that there is a demon who is trying to wrick things. There\ncannot be any interest in having another brutal debate. We are talking about\nmarginal not a qualitative change.\nJK: If this is your approach then there has been a blunder.\na\nK: You said we had masked our true feelings last year. It was a plannixg group\nof Harvard proffessors brought to me and later reniged on. We are doing nothing\nsubstantially different from last year. It's a debate that has been triggered pre-\nmaturely and without knowing what it is all about. We have tried to do it with\nsome sense towards the SALT talks and without any attempt to load the scaled.\nAll the people have seen every paper that has gone forward to the Preisdent.\nWhat interest could someone have to ram something through.\nJK: Two explanations have been given. One is to **** tallx take high anti-\ncommunist ground against the Democrats and the other you are thought to\nbe the architect\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJos. Kraft/Kissinger\n9:30 am\n2/3/70\n-4-\nK: I don't doubt it\nJK: You have to put pressure on the Russians and this is the way to do it.\nK: And I sort of slicked up the thing to the President. Sonnanfeldt told me this\nwould be said and I told him it was impossible.\nJK: The serious thing is that you should be understood by people in the Senate.\nGore is in a difficult mood.\nK: The administration should be understood. I don't care if I am. We cannot\nsneak anything by. We can't give up a chance to put out a coherent statement.\nThat seems to me to be the best way.\nJK: That being the case it would be better for the President to follow that.\nK: It could not be carefully planned with a one shot press conference without\na the detailed background.\nJK: It looked to me to be carefully constructed\nK: It is and his view\nJK:: This view then needs to be carefully\nK: I don't know if they make any difference between various components of a\nsystem. That's not a consideration anyway.\nJK: Some of the things that Evans and Novack and Paul Nitze have been reporting\nshow the view in the administration.\nK: My own position is unimportant. It is impostant only to the extent that it\nmakes a useful contribution. Our basic\nis important because there\nare many things to be considered this year. I went to great lengths to get wide\nspectrum. All views have gone straight to the President. We are trying to do\nthis with regard to SALT. There may be judgments whether we are constructing\nit the right way. When it's over I x may tell you everything that happened.\nJK:: I wish I had known before that this was not\nK: I tridd to tell you Saturday morning in a guarded way.\nJK: If they were put in the Senate in a guarded way you could save some people\ngrief.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJos. Kraft/Kissinger\n9:30 am\n2/3/70\n-5-\nK: I will be seeing them this week. I am mor sensitive to what you thank than\nmany others. Much of that was not true. I think you will eventually conclude\nthat I was helpful. We are open in presenting the options but in details we are\nmore restrictive.\nJK: I respect the rational for that.\nK: I think it is best to drop it know.\nJK: There will be a statement?\nK: By the 20th\nJK: I will wait until that and hope to see you soon\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Lucet/Kissinger\n11:05 am\n2/3/70\nL: I tried to get in touch with you yesterday.\nK: I wanted to let you know as soon as we had gotten the message from Kosygin.\nL: I talked with Sisco this morning and President Pompidou is very thankful\nthat you have been SO informative. He received\nin Paris yesterday.\nI cannot think ? ? ? about the same. There were cettain differences in some\nparagraphs but it was much the same. We have noticed as you have this\nsentence that if the Israelis keep up the USSR will aid the Arabs. We notice also\nthat in this text there are several klxixgxx times the necessity for bilateral and\nquadrilateral meetings. ? ? ? ? groups in the Middle East. It is difficult\nafter the first reading what the Russians have in mind. But in spite of two or\nthree questioning sentences\nK: They would not say they will take measures thatx they said the Arab states\nwould have means.\nL: We notice a lot about bilateral and quadripartite meetings. We think it is\nmore or less moderate.\nK: That's what we think too.\nL: We think it best to continue this meeting in NY. When the decision was made,\nhis message was not known then but we think it is best to go ahead and Sisco says\n10 days is the soonest time. We are going to answer but we have only XRXX received\nit yesterday.\nK: When are you going to answer it.\nL: I don't know yet but it will take a few days. Do you think soon?\nK: Not particularly\nL: I don't think it should be answered within 48 hours. Did Dobrynin come in?\nK: He called but I sent someone to pick up the message.\nL: That was what I wanted to talk to you about and he appreciates the consultation\nbetween our two governments.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRichardson/Kissinger\n11:25 am\n2/3/70\nK: I talked to Joe xDaxxxxxfx Kraft this morning who tells me that high officials with\nwhom I have confidence in have been talking about safeguards. Since there are\nonly two or three officials.\nR: I was going to talke with him\nK: I believe him because he is an old friend.\nR: That's too bad.\nK: I am sending over to you a paper I am sending to the President of the pros\nand cons on the three choices we have.\nR: I imagine he will want to P. ???\nK: Except that he wants to avoid the impression that he was pushed into it.\nR: But I think the Secy. of State has a responsibility to say what he thinks.\nIn this building we are in favor of option 2.\nK: Me too\nR: I hope what I am about to say won't percipitate a confrontation. I have con-\nsidered the telegram to Ungar on Thailand. I want to re-write\nK: I showed it to the President.\nR: Oh, you did\nK: I'm sorry. You did not get that word? I showed it to him on Saturday and he\nwould not have it.\nR: I had another approach. I don't know whether his reaction precludes this\napparoach.\nK: He said no discussions with Tinand on the possibilities of a Soviet orientation.\nI wanted to get him at a calm moment to get his clearance.\nyou\nR: Not knowing x had done this, I had the cable re written to invite Ungar's\ncomments re U.S. Thai relations and some relaxat of Thais toward the\nSoviets. We would put it in the basis that this was in discussion with the Thais.\nK: In the proposal that the President rejected on Saturday, no discussion with\nthe Taais on this subject. Why did you think this would produce a confrontation?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRichardson/Kissinger\n11:25 am\n2/3/70\n-2-\nR: I was going to tell you I would send it anyway. I thought it was within the\nrealm of the State Dept. to send it.\nK: I agree. You told me on Saturday that you were drafting a cable.\nR: We took out\nof our own\n. What we have done here now is say\nthe subject has importance not only to the Thais but also to VXX S.E. Asia.\n(ER reads part of cable.)\nK: This is what the President objected to and he will not go for this. My\ngeneral position is that the Department has the right to query ambassadors without\nWH clearance. But knowing what the WH position is, put it in terms -- if we\ncan be fnore -- it looks like we would encourage them to do it. I think most of\nthe questions could be raised that way.\nR: I would have said, if you had not talked with the President, that we should\nsend this. I will not ask for WH clearance but ask that you look at it and give\nus thoughts for change. He asked for comments on this 6 weeks ago. We do\nwant to encourage him to think along broader lines then he will usefully do.\nK: No question. The only reason I held up on that other was because when he\nwas working he would have said absolutely no.\nR: No, I understand and that's why I felt that was the way to do it.\nK: If you send it over I will give you my views of the President's view without\nformal clearance. Where do we stand on the Swedish thing?\nR: I checked up and found that what had happened was that EUR had sent a\nrecommendation to Rogers that he wee Palma. And it is just sitting in the\nSecretayy's office. He may preclude he wants to go to the President.\nK: That's his perogative but that's the way it should be and if the President\nwants to then that's fine.\nR: One other question. I want to call Dobrynin back following lunch with him\nRhopes Formula\non Friday about the roads follower I have asked Mort Abramowitz to check\nwhat the status of the reply to Kosygin is.\nK: He doesn't know there will be one yet and he will recieve it Wed. or Thurs.\n* Refers D the reply on the m.s is situation\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n2:23 pm\n2/3/70\nL: I am visiting about some things with Dave and got word that you wanted to talk\nwith me. You are going to talk with those Russian journalists. They are getting\na lot of information.\nK: Not from you, I bet. It's time you start testifying on ABM. Why should I\ntake the heat.\nL: You can take the heat for awhile.\nK: You know what the 5:00 meeting is about? Review contingency plans and what\nwe do. After all the warnings the President gave and he wants to discuss what\nwe should do. You also said you had some news on that other matter.\nL: I will bring that with me.\nK: You are the only one who knows about that.\nL: We will have to take action.\nK: You got the letter?\nL: I am not concerned about that letter. I don't think we should over-react.\nI will talk to you and tell you where our carriers are.\nK: We can maybe have a word after the meeting.\nL: OK and I will show you where the things are deployed.\nK: Some thoughts on that working group. I want to suggest to you wxlx how we should\nhandle that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZeigler/Kissinger\n3:25 pm\n2/3/70\nZ: Stuff is moving on the wires about the ambassadors rushing in to see\nforeign offices. It's about the Middle East.\nK: Is that what'it's all about?\nZ: That's what it says. \"(a newspaper quotation)\". Now Houdek says I should\ncheck with you. The immediate question is whether Dobrynin saw the President.\nI can say nothing is scheduled. Then what\nK: What's there to say?\nZ: How should I posture myself?\nK: You want to know what's going on. You don't really care about posturing yourself\nZ: Exactly right. Have you seen him?\nK: Not actually. That's the truth. You can say that in this way. Say that we\nhave been counseling the Soviets on the Middle East. I don't want you to get into it.\nZ: That's why I am calling.\nK: If they ask you if a message has been delivered to us, you will have to say\nthat we have some communication but we don't comment on these things.\nZ: That will lead them to -- there was a communication but we are not talking.\nK: Say we are in constant communication. OK?\nZ: I think we should send Israeli jets into the air and do it now.\nK: I don't know how true it is but I hear two were sent up and one was hit by\nand Egyptian SAM and they radio'd back what do we do. Why don't you tell\nthem that?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n4:30 pm\n2/3/70\nKOne thing, Wheeler wants to bring a General along to flip the charts.\nP: It doesn't bother me.\nK: And he can leave after the presentation. And in case Bill raises it, the\nChinese have invited us to a meeting on Feb. 20. It's the fastest time yet.\nPL We are making up a subject to discuss?\nK: It's their turn to talk.\nX P: But we may have to come up with some new ideas\nK: Lodge talked to the Dutch. We may be able to use him. I will write you\na memo on that.\nP: Have them go to the Cabinet Room. I am starting with Bill now. We should\nbe able to get going at 5:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n4:35 pm\n2/3/70\nD: Is our editors still with you?\nK: I got them a special tour of the WH. They are not with me but they may\nstill be here. They are very good and intelligent.\nD: They are very important and good people. I am glad they had a chance for this\nbroad discussion with you and the Secretary.\nK: You have influence. You will be getting a reply tomorrow from Sisco.\nD: That's all right with me. Tomorrow? The form of a letter? He will call\nme?\nK: He will but I wanted you to know this.\nD: I will wait for his call.\nK: This is just an informal advance notice. Since it is generally known that\nthese communications were received we think we should handle it on this basis.\nBut it will be a signed letter by the President.\nD: OK\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n4:40 pm\n2/3/70\nP: I thought that was very valuable.\nK: Absolutely essential.\nP: Bill pulled Mel a little. Bill and Mel were beginning to get - - Mel was anxious\nabout State. I think if you and I could meet with mel and Wheeler on Sunday\nafternoon a it would be helpful. 5:00 or whenever it would meet with their\nschedules. I want an order written that would give them authority to hit the\nLaotion spots. I don't agree with Bill on the Vin₄thing. I want authority given\nto take out the airport.\nK: When a plan is put on they feel they can flush them by flying and then\nget the ground control.\nP: Do as the Israelis did and pre-empt.\nK: I think I can do that orally with Mel and not in writing.\nP: But the 52 has to be in writing. If he doesn't when he and Wheeler\ncome on Sunday I will get both in orally. This was very valuable.\nK: We were pulling together for the first time.\nP: I read the paper Goodell -- they are trying to make a political issue.\nK: They are\n, you know why? No one knows if the Le Dac To is\ncoming with something and they should wait until something is furfaced.\nP: I think they are about ready to\nK: I think one good jolt will swing them. I talked with the Soviet editors today.\nThey have to be instructed. And I let them have it on VN. They were very\nsoft on that.\nP: Tell Mel that right now he has the orders.\nK: It's very useful and effective.\nP: We must succeed there.\nK: And the way to\nthat - - success or failure. So it doesn't look as\nthough we were run out of there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n4:40 pm\n2/3/70\n-2-\nP: And they all agree. We must march ahead on it. I am inclined to think\nthey may give us the opportunity.\nK: They may have enough trouble. If their guerillas are in the trouble they say\nthen we have to decide. If Mel is right and I think he is right -- - - then we should\nuse it to trigger a major negotiation (?).\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRichardson/Kissinger\n7:45 pm\n2/3/70\nR: Thank you for calling back\nK: OK. Did you ever send that cable over? I told my people not to let\nyou wait for my response. You will have my response tomorrow before\nnoon.\nR: I sent back the safeguards memo.\nK: Good\nR: We have a newspaperman probing into the verification panel. Stewart\nLoory. My disposition is to prohibit him from talking to my people. He\ntalked with someone over there.\nK: I will prohibit my people from talking during ABM and all too. It's\nawfully hard but\nR: We may take a little heat but if there was any area of national security\nin which it is justified more than this, I cannot imagine it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n8:00 pm\n2/3/70\nK: We were having a meeting and the President came in when I was talking\nto you. My instinct is that we should check with the President before any\nbackground.\nS: We should and I want to see the what the press says.\nK: I called Dobrynin and told him you were going to give him his answer.\nDobrynin was obviously slightly irritated. He gave it to me and told me to W\nsee that only the President saw it.\nS: No government is run that way.\nK: It's out of the question. Also, if we let it out that the note is not gentle,\nwe humiliate them.\nS: The press problem is that we have had stories all over the country\nand all over the world that W say that the Russians have warned the US about\nIsrael or the Russians will supply arms to the Arabs. The problem is how\ndo you answer this without excalating it.\nK: I think you should deliver this to Dobrynin towards the middle of the day.\nS: I had in mind around 2:30. I will say here is the President's answer.\nK: We might have a reaction.\nS: I want to talk with the Secretary in light of the press tomorrow morning.\nHe would not do it without the President.\nK: As I said Sat., it is one of the times when State-WH relations are as\nclose as they can get.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJos. Alsop/Kissinger\n8:15 pm\n2/3/70\nA: What's harassing you?\nK: 100 things to get done, including Kosygin.\nA: What?\nK: That note.\nA: That one they sent to the French and British and not to us?\nK: Theysent one to us.\nA: When I was over to State yesterday, they said they didn't know anything\nabout it.\nK: Most of them didn't\nA: I would think Sisco would have.\nK: I am returning your call. We would be delighted to come Sat. night\nA: Great. When can we get together?\nK: Unless it's urgent, I would like to put it off. I am working on the\nPresident's foreign policy.\nA: I want to do a piece on Israel.\nK: Could it wait until Friday.\nA: Yes, but early in the day.\nK: I will see you before noon.\nA: And you will come Sat. night.\nK: What time\nA: 7:45 or 8:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n9:18 am\n2/4/70\nK: I am sending over a directive at the President's orders that there is to\nbe no more comment out of State on the Kosygin letter.\nS: That is based on what Ron said. I had not discussed this with the press.\nK: We know you haven't. I told him you had checked with me. He talked\nwith me last night and liked that letter. He was opposed to the backgrounder.\nS: You will have a lot of assumptions. I have an idea. You think about\ngetting a small group of people, reporters, on the WH side. Attribute it\nto the western diplamatic sources. (1) The Kosygin letter sought to place\nthe responsibility for the current state of affairs on one side. (2) We believe\nthe thrust of the letter shows the Soviets on the defensive.\nK: That humiliates them\nS: OK. That could be discarded (?). (3) The reply of the President is in\nhis typical style -- pleasant and restrained. Rather than blame one side\nor the other the President turned it around and said both sides should work\ntowards peace. (1) All major powers are interested in a cease fire. (2)\nReaffirmed our position on arms limitations. (3) Asked the Russians to\nwork on peace. Then it would come out that the President did not accept\nKosygin's terms but turned it around so that both sides could work on it.\nIt would be a challenge to the Soviet Union and they will work positively.\nYou would do it and I come and help you.\nK: He has no objection to you doing it. He just doesn't want State\nS: There are a lot of stories.\nK: But won't they all cancel each other out?\nS: They will but we have no interest in escalating this thing but the administration\nturned this around to make proposals. Keep it low key. My preference would\nbe for you to do this with a small group with me at your side.\nK: I understand. I think his answer will be no but I will raise it again.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\n1\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDiebold/Kissinger\n10:35 am\n2/4/70\nD: You were to see if this summer would be too late.\nK: I think it would be all right. I haven't had the chance to discuss it with\nthe President yet. Let me first find out what yourthinking is.\nD: I have two problems. I face the question of the two books - - whether\nI am really willing to postpone them. You can't help me on that. The question\nof how long I put this off is the risk [xnnxk lose them all together. And it's\na question of how long you have to come to make sense of this.\nK: I think two years makes the only sense.\nD: But that puts you in the middle of the election year and that's hard.\nK: Well, 1 and 1/2 lyears.\nD: That would be OK. Starting in the summer until the next year in Sept.\nor Oct. I understand if you say no.\nK: I can't believe that you'd want to leave if you get involved in something\nimportant.\nD: I recognize the temptation.\nK: I want to tell you exactly what I need here. I would appreciate it if you\ncould come down and talk with Gen. Haig. He runs the office. In the meantime\nI will look into the 15 months problem.\nD: The second is -- When you explain why you want to make a change and\nyou say the part about pessonalities I understand that these are exacerbate.\nI could make my own soundings and see if I can do any better than\nSANITIZED\nK: The problem is\nSANITIZED\nfeels SO strongly about things that he doesn't\ngive me a read out on what people think. On one item he said he believed\nDefense agreed. There was no believing you can check. And when he\nchecked he was wrong. I would have given the President the wrong answer.\nToward the President our views must be ambiguous (?) but toward the\nbureaucracy we must give an ear for each view. No one is under the belief\nthat I am trying to steam roll the meetings.\nD: I understand but taking what is important at one level.\nK: Our shaping is with the President.\nD: But with the right exchange earlier.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDiebold/Kissinger\n10:35 am\n2/4/70\n-2-\nK: Yes, but ???? I only care that my views are included among them but\nnot just that. That's the fine line here. Since you write the covering memo\nyou have an enormous advantage.\nXX D: I have that clear but in the field where so much happens below the\nlevel of the WH\nK: If the bureaucracy sees you as a fair person then you have no problems.\nBut if you are constantly trying to steamroll them, they will fight you.\nD: I lack a sense -- that book of mine with a lot of frank statements will\nbe coming out in the middle of this. So I will not have the anonymity of\na usual civil servant.\nK: That chance I will take. No one can tell anyone how to do this job.\nWhere it works these people are a tremendous help to the operators.\nD: But if I know what is coming up, I know there are thin times of Congressional\nproblems. I wonder if anyone can do better than the encumbeat. My view\nis that he is very good.\nK: I do too if a senior person were in charge of him.\nD: I would not want to think of it in these terms.\nK: If I were hiring for a center at Harvard I would go all out for him. He's\nvery good.\nD: I will come down and talk to Haig.\nK: In the next day or two?\nD: I can't do it that quickly. Coming down, I still have to fight the problem\nif I dare to give up those books. Another problem is that there\nSANITIZED\nK: You're a real gentleman for telling me. I will rais this directly with\npeople on a staff member basis without using names.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMax Frankel/Kissinger\n10:58 am\n2/4/70\nK: I am going to be coming over a little later. I want to check this with\nyou. News secretaries are like opera stars, highly temperamental.\nI would like to bring Zeigler. Say if it's not ok. It's purely for selfish\nreasons. There would be Zeigler and one aide besides myself.\nF: That's great.\nK: It's just a discussion, isn't it? Not a talk.\nF: Of course. The primary lure was to educate us on arms control but\nwe have some other subjects we could touch on too.\nK: You don't want us to bring a copy of the Kosygin letter? 11\nF: No, we have that.\nK: I bet you do !\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZeigler/Kissinger\n11:00 am\n2/4/70\nK: I am having lunch with the NY Times bureau today and I though if you\nwould like to come along I would like to have you.\nZ: What time do you leave?\nK: 12:45 or SO\nZ: I had another lunch and I will try to cancel\nK: The idea has been on for a long time but it was just set up this week.\nZ: I will get back to you.\n(Zeigler could not get out of his other engagement and HAK and Dave Young\nwent to the lunch)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n2:55 pm\n2/4/70\nR: I want to talk to you about what we say to the press about the letter.\nK: He doesn't want to say anything.\nR: I have doubts about that. The thrust will leak out and it could leak out\nin a harmful way. I don't think it matters when we say it but I think we\nshould say it.\nK: He wants to low-key it.\nR: We have the better arguement. There are three points involved.\nOne, the Russians think we should stop sending arms to Israel and we\nsaid we should stop sending arms on both sides -- the U.S., Israel,\nThe Soviet Union, and the Arabs.\nthey actually\nK: I don't think/said anything about sending arms.\nR: The implication is that we are sending the Israelis arms and if we don't\nstop they will have to send arms to the Arabs. Third, (the notetaker didn't\ndistinguish the second point from the first), why don't we have\nwithdrawn? We say we have taken positive steps. Why don't the Russians\nget the Arabs? I think we should say we responded, don't you.\nK: Certainly. I will raise it with the Prsident again. How would you\nraise it?\nMcCloskey\nR: Have that this is the response, indicating the tone.\nThe whole tone of the Kosygin letter is out.\nK: From where do you think?\nR: London and Paris.\nK: The President was very firm this afternoon. I think what you said makes\nsense. The Second and Third points are relevant. The first point bothers me\nI think we should dnly say what we said.\nR: It's a question of arms, we should say arms limitations talks. Re\nsupplying to the Israwlis, we should say that we proposed that both sides\nstop contributing.\nK: Let me check and I will get back to you this afternoon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nCASSIE\nCathy Mackin/Kissinger\n3:05 pm\n2/4/70\nA synopsis of the substantive portion of the conversation is:\nMiss Macklin indicated that for the VIP's attending the dinner on the 26th\nthere had been a drawing and ABC had drawn HAK's name. pax As\nMiss Macklin (of NBC) had already invited HAK and he had accepted her\ninvitation, this posed a problem. HAK suggested that when he received\nthe invitation from ABC he would tell them that he had accepted Miss\nMacklin's request several weeks before, being unaware of the drawing.\nMiss Macklin thought it would be an interesting idea but was afraid that,\nsince there are VIP tables, such a solution would make a great deal of\ntrouble for Frank Jordan. It was therefore decided that HAK would go\nwith the ABC people (hopefully having a chance to see Miss Macklin\nat some other time) and Miss Macklin will go with Mr. Saffire.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Taylor/Kissinger\n3:30 pm\n2/4/70\nT: We look forward to seeing you for luncheon on Friday. I understand\nthe Preisdent will have no interest in seeing the Board.\nK: It's not a matter of interest. He will be out of town.\nT: If there are any matters we will bring them up at the luncheon.\nK: I read your note on Laos.\nT: I wish we could help you there. The Board will want to know how the\nPresident received our threat teport.\nK: Very favorably and I will give you a report on that.\nT: We would like to know if there are any changes\nK: Your report was useful but if you have any changes you think would be\nbetter\nT: How did you like the Holmes quarterly report?\nK: Very interesting.\nT: A step forward and may be a step for our own work.\nK: Lets talk about that. I look forward to seeing you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMankowitz/Kissinger\n3:40 pm\n2/4/70\nM: I have 0 couple of things. One may come as a great surprise\nis it true as I have picked up that your people are contemplating giving\na pxx portion of the sugar quota to Cuba?\nK: That's news to me and they would check with me.\nM:? I thought you would know if there was sucha thing. The report I have is\nthat the Cuban quota will fall short.\nK: You hinted at that the other evening.\nM: I know the quota will be reallocated but not it will be done. I want\nto put a hypothetical point to you. We have Vietnamized and cut 40, 000\ntroops. And then comes a time the Viet Cong are stronger and overwhelm\nthe SVN troops.\nK: What would be bombed?\nM: Do we permit the change of government to take place?\nK: I don't think I should answer that kind of hypothetical question. No one\nclose to VN thinks this will be a small question.\nM: OK. I am aware XX that I owe you a paper on Latin America. I will have\nit to you by after the weekend. I am going to Panama after next week and I\nwant to see you when I come back.\nK: Definitely. I want to see you too.\nM: I know what I will find, I think.\nK: What?\nM: I don't want to talk about it k now. I gather that coup had more then\nPanamanian influence behind it and Torrejos is sore.\nK: Tell me what you find.\nM: I wrote a good piece about him last year and he is anxious to see us.\nK: I will look forward to seeing you when you come back and that's something\nI would be interested in getting your views on. I know Nelson Rockefeller\nthinks\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMankowitz/Kissinger\n3:40 pm\n2/4/70\n-2-\nK: (cont. ) thinks a good deal of him.\nM: The AID people are very unhappy becuase Carlino has told Torrejos\nsuch and such is what he will do. They don't know who Carlino is.\nK: Nelson's sense of highly bureaucratic is not what it could be.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Jackson/Kissinger\n4:00 pm\n2/4/70\nJ: I am a little disturbed as a result of the comments by the President\non the ABM. They are apt to leak this thing for some time. Mansfield\nand some of the others are sending out\nI have it from their\nstaff.\nK: We aren't. Let them make asses of themselves.\nJ: I agree. I have been very carefull and not said anything. But we\nshould not let them go on this way for the next month.\nK: What do you think?\nJ: I think we should cut them off.\nK: I could do a backgrounder tomorrow or Friday for 15 mins. I could\nstep into the Zeigler briefing tomorrow morning and say that. Can I get\nyour real feelings? I know you don't want it in the northwest this year\nand I know why. Does that mean you cannot go for it?\nJ: If we put it near cities it puts me in an untenable position.\nK: Where is Ft. Lewis?\nJ: Near a population area -- in the Army's inimitable way. You know how\nI feel.\nK: On this point, as in few, I don't completely agree with you. I understand\nwhy you don't want it this year.\nK: The problem is that they're trying to drive us out of area defense.\nJ: You don't have to get into Washington, D. C., or the northeast this\nyear. We could go for additional\nor strengthen up the first\ntwo.\nK: Let me talk to you about it. We will not go into the northwest against\nyour opposition. But let me talk to you about Washington at sometime.\nJ: I know Stennis has a speech. We should have an understanding on\nthe Sentate side before any move\nK: Before a final decision we will talk to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSen. Jackson/Kissinger\n4:00 pm\n2/4/70\n-2-\nJ: They are really getting things stirred up over here.\nK: They are making fools of themselves. I met with the NYTimes\nwriters this week and told them they would be fools in the future.\nJ: Let's get together on the time and get my people lined up. Gore\nK: He will go off anyway. I will talk to you. You don't have\nto worry about Washington.\nJ: We have to take a reading.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nChapin/Kissinger\n4:15 pm\n2/4/70\nC: He needs brief materials you should have in case he does a press\nconference in Chicago. If there's anything new since last week.\nHe's especially interested in ABM, VN, and the Middle East. Any\nbrief reminders and do not repeat anything.\nK: I will have it by 9:00. You, or someone, said Keogh said someone\nshougd get involved in the State of the World report. I want to wait\nuntil Monday.\nC: Sure, just so he can work on rhetoric, etc.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n6:40 pm\n224/70\nR: I was calling about the press\nK: All Zeigler did was not about substance -- just about the fact.\nThe stuff McCloskey sent over I talked to the President about and\nhe is agreeable. We will pursue the policy the way it is outlined\nso it won't look as if we were driven off it.\nR: It said\nabout the President's recent speech.\nK: One other thing. On that Tito business, he thinks it would be good\nto arrange it so it doesn't look like a special trip.\nR: No, he will be in Addis Ababa at the same time I am scheduled to be\nthere.\nK: Under those conditions I think it's a very good idea.\nR: We found out he was going to be there and checked to see if he wanted it.\nK: It would look odd if you didn't do it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n11:10 am\n2/5/70\nR: I am going over my trip country by country. It would be very embarassing\nif there's anything decided on the African arms while I am there.\nK: Nothing on Africa will be decided while you are there.\nR: The action on chrome will not be taken?\nK: It will be done in connection with the Rhodesian Consulate, whenever.\nWhy don't we agree on this. If I sense something moving in the\nPresident's mind I will back channel you and if it concerns Africa I will do\nnothing before getting your views.\nR: He is please about that Tito thing. We don't want to take tension off\nAfrica so we are making no announcements and I will just see him when I\nget there.\nK: We are going to have this report done by early next week. I would\nlike your people to go over it and then maybe we could look at yours.\nR: I will give mine to Elliott. It has a lot to be done on it because\nit was written by many people.\nK: That's the trouble wt with ours too.\nR: How long with the President's be?\nK: 75 pages & P. /? Yours is much longer, isn;t it. We though you would\ngo into area detail and we tried to stay general.\nR: We have an assessment to gegin with. That will be in line with the\nPresident's I have to do an introduction.\nK: We will give you ours on Monday and maybe we could wee yours.\nR: It will be readable then and then after the format is settled we will\nhave it done in galley. We will have an appendix with all the resident's\npolicy statements and\nNATO and SEATO. We will keep it up\nevery year. It really becomes a reference book.\nK: Good\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nFlanigan/Kissinger\n12:20 pm\n2/5/70\nF: Do you have a minute\nK: I am working on that EXaX Year End Review. Where is your Western\nHemisphere part?\nF: What are you talking about?\nK: Who is this?\nF: It's Peter Flanigan\nK: I'm sorry. I thought it was another Pete on my staff. I will talk\nwith you anytime.\nF: It's on Ireland. We are about to denounce unilaterally our bilateral\nair treaty there because of their not letting us fly to Dublin. Do you\nwant to say anything about it?\nK: I have one thing you might think about. The President wants to\ntake a trip there this year.\nF: Then we can't do it. Then I have to call if off.\nK: Well,\nF: I have to. It's gone on 5 years\nK: Can you let it wait one more year?\nF: We will have to.\nK: Hevanted to go for St. Patricks Day but that's impossible. I can't\nthink of anything else for him over there at that time.\nF: They have a big\nparty there later in the year. Maybe he'll\ntake that in. We are asking Treasury for tax exports. Have you any\nconcern?\nK: No.\nF: Treasury is concerned that on exports there is a problem and that\nit is in your office SO we son't\nK: We are not going to give him a\n.\nHe willget a policy.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nFlanigan/Kissinger\n12:20 pm\n2/5/70\n-2-\nF: That's all he wants. You have to understand Stans. He likes order.\nHe can work perfectly happily with anything that is orderly. We came\nto a conclusion on a series of actions regarding our import policy.\nIt will target with a briefing of the press by you and me on the 16th.\nK: Don't be silly.\nF: He wants to hang X certain issues on national security. And he wants\nyou there to say that national security matters\nK: Can it wait a week? Or earlier? That's when we are putting out his\nState of the World. We don't want to compete.\nF: No, we don't. If that's for Monday then we can do the other on Tues.\nor vice versa.\nK: OK\nF: I am concerned about things -- Every time we talk to State about\nLatin America they just ooze out the side.\npolicy -- they\ntake no kind of strong policy.\nK: I know it.\nF: You don't agree with them, I'd say, from the tone of your voice.\nWhat is the President's view?\nK: Anything that leads away from a confrontation I can do. Write me a\nmemo on what you want done and then you and I will do it.\nF: On S. Africa, I know you are having a long study. I trust it will\nsupport Newsome being made Asst. Secy.\nK: If yo u think Newsome isn't soft --\nF: I was told the other fellow was softer.\nK: They are both softer.\nF: Are we in trouble?\nK: No, but we can be.\nF: I continue to feel that our friends we ignore and for those we cannot\nplease, we bend over backwards.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nFlanigan/Kissinger\n12:20 pm\n2/5/70\n-3- -\nK: My philosophy exactly. You can join my staff anytime.\nF: If it's something I can express regarding S. Africa or Rhodesia,\nlet me know and I will be glad to express it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nFlanigan/Kissinger\n9:55am\n2/6/70\nF: Did you talk to Baker?\nK: I was waiting for you to talk take the initiative. You can reach him\nthrough the FIAB.\nF: OK\n1:10 pm\n2/6/70\nF: I talked to Baker and he can't becuase his wife is very ill.\nK: That's too bad. He would have been good.\nF: He suggested we make DuBridge Ambassador-at-Large for Scientific\nAffairs.\nK: Good idea. PSAC has be to be re-styled. Does he have any other\nsuggestions?\nF: He will let me know Monday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLen Garment\nMr. Kissinger\n10:22 m., 2-6-70\nK:\nLen, how are you? I ran into Taft Shreiber yester at the Madison\nHotel. Shreiber said the Jewish Community was beginning to feel\ntheir oats. He said he was coming in to see you and he was concerned\nthat if they got this much by screaming that they could get more by\nscreaming more loudly. One mistake I made was putting myself\non that statement about the President. They (Jewish Community)\nreally have to be quiet now.\nG:\nHis (the President's?) reaction has been bad to that?\nK:\nVery bad and they really have to hold the line. We have done what\nwe said we would do and they should not think they could get more.\nI am not blaming anyone. It is my fault. If you can really tell\nthem to cool it. I don't know who Schreiber represents.\nG:\nThey are really close to the President - Firestone also.\nK:\nIs Firestone Jewish?\nG:\nYes. How do you feel about the statement?\nK:\nI think it helped in foreign policy by avoiding the impression of\npanic to the Arabs. I am satisfied with it but I wanted them to\nunderstand this is not the time for them to keep pressing.\nG:\nAlright, I will try to make him understand that. I saw the two\nnotes (Kosygin-Nixon).\nK:\nI sat next to Dobrynin at lunch the other day. He is as smart as\nhe can be. When you have a conversation with him, you know he\nis not one of these State Department people talking for himself.\nG:\nOK Henry, I'll see what I can do.\nK:\nAlright Len.\nmlh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRichardson/Kissinger\n10:35 am\n2/6/70\nK: I have looked at that paper. What happened there was a literal\ntranscription of a Presidential handwritten note. I will send out a NSSM.\nR: I will tell Ted to draw it back.\nK: I wanted to explain to you what happened.\nR: I think that's the right thing to do. I will tell Ted to round it up.\nWe are having a meeting on the Phillippines now. I think we should\nthe President a report. We are telling Byroad to play close to the chest.\nMarcos is trying to tell him what to do. He is avoiding this skillfully.\nWe want him to be interested and sympathetic.\nK: One pretesne is not to know what to do.\nR: I think we should make option that he could analyze and put in pros\nand cons.\nK: What pros and cons?\nR: In terms of the\nWithout getting into the position of pushing\nfor one XXXXXXXXX course.\nK: A good idea\nR: He should be informed.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n12:00 noon 2/6/70\nS: I wanted to call a telegram to your attention addressed to you and me\nfrom Yost.\nK: What's he want?\nS: More concessions and arms for Israwl. I disagree.\nK: What concessions?\nS: He wants cosmetic changes.\nK: You make cosmetic changes and they think you are a faol or trying to\ntrick them or they think you will make substantive changes.\nS: For your information, the most critical conversation will be when the\nPresident and Pompidou exchange views. The Russians say what is wrong\nwith the French plan. There's a considerable difference. The President\nwill have to say we have put forth two proposals. We don't know what we\ncan do but if Pompidou wants to do something, he should support us. I am\nsending a copy of the letter from Pompidou to the Russians to you. Pompidou\nis saying it's good that we are on the same wicket to the Russians.\nK: Oh, really.\nS: On peace and withdrawal. And the Russians say what's wrong with these\nideas. kfx As we get close to the Pompidou talks, this is critical.\nK: I will get on\n.\nThe President has respect for you.\nS: We have to keep our allies happy to a point but what's wrong with their\nkeeping us happy?\nK: Exactly my thoughts.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRose Woods/Kissinger\n12:25 pm\n2/6/70\nW: Have you asked Nancy Maginnes if she wants to come to the French\ndinner?\nK: When is it? When is the next one and for whom?\nW: It's the 24th and the next one is in April for Willy Brandt.\nK: She hates Germans.\nW: We will put her on for the 24th.\nK: Does that mean Betty Beale will yak? Does the President know and will'\nhe care any?\nW: Yes, that's why we are doing it. What's the address?\nK: 219 E. 69th St. Am I seeing you Sunday night?\nW: No = because they xx wouldn't let me bring a date so I regretted.\nK: They wouldn't?\nW: No, and I just ******* feel like a 3rd head. They want it to be an in group.\nK: I'm probably partly to blame for that.\nW: But they will allow you to bring a date.\nK: Mine are more discreet than yours.\nW: You don't know who I would bring. It will be your loss.\nK: I like you\nW: You had better or we will put you next to old women.\nK: Please ! I had enough of that the first 4 months.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHarlow/Kissinger\n4:40 pm\n2/6/70\nNK H; I had a very interesting call from the NY Daily News. Have you\na minute?\nK: Can I call you in 10 minutes?\nH: It's a report from the Second Secretary of the Russians Embassy.\nK: I will call you. How did that meeting go yesterday?\nH: You said the\nis only a device to\n.\nK: I would be most happy with the former.\nH: I don't know how much they liked that.\nK: I only wanted to get them off the kick to make that our only policy.\nH: I was fascinated by your discussion. You are very good at that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRichardson/Kissinger\n5:40 pm\n2/6/70\nR: We have a situation you would want to know about in case there is any\naction you should want to take other than what I have done. It concerns a\nlow level member of the UN his name is Ticomerov. An AF Sgt. has\nbeen passing \"classified\" documents to him in Seattle for the last four\nyears. The FBI wants to arrest him tomorrow at 4:00. Our concern is\nxelx retaliation in a case that doesn't warrant it. I have made a deal with\nKliendienst that they could arrest him without naming his two co-conspirators\nhere at the Embassy and next week we will say that we don't think there\nshould be a trial and that the only action will be to deport him.\nK: It can't wait a wait a week?\nR: That's what we wanted but the Justice Dept. and the FBI say that if\nwe put off the meeting between Ticomerov and the Sgt. tomorrow they\nwon't meet until next month and they are afraid of loosing the case as the\nfellow is supposed to leave the country soon.\nK: Your plan seems all right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nViorst/Kissinger\n6:10 pm\n2/6/70\nK: What is it I can help you with?\nV: I am doing a story on Aron for the NYTimes Magazine and I am\ngoing over to see him for a couple of days on Monday. I asked him\nwhat people I could talke with about him and he suggested you. What's\nyour thinking?\nK: Why don't you talk to me after you come back. I think highly of Aron\nand he has the best analytical mind I know. Give him x my best regards.\nV: That's very encouraging. I look forward to a stimulating conversation.\nWhat should I discuss with him?\nK: He has a universal scope.\nV: Strategy?\nK: U.S. Foreign Policy. He knows less about Asia.\nV: I will let him off on that. Perhaps you will be kind enough to talk to\nme when I get back next month.\nK: I will be glad to do that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nChapin/Kissinger\n6:20 pm 2/6/70\nCahpin indicated that the President was going to call in about 5 min.\nK said he had to leave - - C said go, before he calls. (after this\nconversation K told me to tell the P when he calls that he would call\nat 6:45 from home) Then K said he would like to see the P for about\na half hour sometime in the morning. C indicated it would probably be\nearly morning rather than later.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRichardson/Kissinger\n11:00 am\n2/7/00\nR: You probably saw the Times lead story this morning. I have a statement here\nI am about to put out.\nK: As deGaulle said to Acheson, are you consulting me or informing me?\nR: Both. I am consulting you in a XXIXX manner that puts a load to the proposition.\nI think it should be cone. If you think not - I propose to say \"with reference to the\nreport published to sell aircraft to Israel, the story is not accurate. No decision\nhas been made and it is understudy. 11 (the portion is quotes is not verbatim).\nK: Do you think we should make a formal statement?\nR: I think I should do it as the Acting Secretary.\nK: We are saying, in a low key way, that it is not accurrate. But I am concerned\nwith making a formal statement that will look as if the Soviets had driven us off it.\nI have no trouble with a Statem Dept. spokesman saying that no decision has been\ntaken and it is still under study but I am wondering about a statement made by the\nActing Secretary of State, if that escalates it to a too high level. I don't know what the\nPresident's view is. What we told Zeigler is to handle it as I told you - - that no\ndecision has been made and it is still under study.\nR: This was Joe's idea.\nK: If the Acting Secretary of State makes it, it puts great importance on the AID\nrequest and we have made a cause celibre.\nR: There is, all right. You have some reports of Jordan snd more recently\nLeganon who have\nthemselves to the hopeless\nK: Unless we are trying to preclude the issue. The President has gone far with\nGolda Meir saying we would do something.\nR: What 's disturbing about this it's a\nrequest. I am pretty sure that\nanyone in this building, including myself, would urge that the decision the President\nsaid he would make within 30 days would be much smaller numbers.\nK: No question about that. Only thing that divides us is if the Acting Secretary\nshould do it or a State Dept. spokesman. I have no trouble at all it would be a\ngreat mistake to let the story ride.\nR: I will talk to Joe. Unless I call you back, it will be done through a spokesman.\nK: Do you have anyone on the line?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRichardson/Kissinger\n11:00 am\n2/7/70\n-2-\nR: I don't believe so.\nK: I want to tell you one thing. You know that matter you mentiondd to me about\nSaigon? I had an occasion to mention that in passing as something Rogers had\nraised and what he had had in mind. And my one suspicion is correct and the other\nthing he had had in mind was HEW if that should be available for political things.\nR: I see\nK: I expressed my own strong * unhappiness.\nR: I would be rooting for Murphy.\nK: If you don't want it I could cut it off. He thinks it's a xgxx big promotion.\nR: I don't think one in general should refuse a job that has been offered.\nK: No, it's not now.\nR: I hope it doesn't happen. Thank you. I have a couple of paragraphs I am\nchanging now and will have them to you in a couple of hours.\nK: The Secretary said to tell you that if the typing on that is finished today that\nyou are free to send it over here. Brankly, I don't care. He is worried now that\nthere will be too much duplication.\nR: I heard yours is 70 pages.\nI\nK: Ours is beyond repair. Something could have been done if bxex had seen yours.\nR: I thought the same thing.\nK: I will do what I can if I can get a look at yours.\nR: I will send it to you as soon as I get it.\nK: I will have to have it before Wed.\nR: Certainly My though was by Monday. Will you be working over the weekend?\nK I can't do a great deal any more. I'm XXX more interested in your comments on our\ndraft which you will get Monday morning.\nR: I will get it to you as soon as I can.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRose Woods? /Kissinger\nSaturday afternoon\nX\n2/7/70\nW: I think it's very bad when you get your picture on the Washington\nPost style section without saying anything.\nK: XXXXX where?\nW: At the style show. I will save this picture for you. Did you see\nit already?\nK: No, I didn't see it already. It kills you, doesn't it. Well, thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nR. Haldeman\n7:10 p.m.\n2/7/70\nK: I was with the President. I am driving myself. How long should\nit take from my apartment?\nH: Twenty minutes.\nK: I have to pick up Nancy.\nH: We won't wait for you. We have to get to DuBridge (?) and give\nhim hell. That's a Presidential request.\nState of\nthe World Report.\nK: I will be with you soon.\nH: Hurry along.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHardin/Kissinger\n11:35 pm\n2/7/70\nH: I have your memo here about putting in a study on how much population\ncan be supplied on better kooxtxx food production.\nK: That's what he wants.\nH: I wondered what his frame of reference is here and I don't know what he\nwants. It isn't a figure you can say a particular figure (?).\nK: He is moving toward how many and what we can do if we want to help.\nIt started with PL 480. Instead of giving them our food he wants to know how\nwe can help them with our agricultural technology to grow their own.\nH: That's a good\n.\nIf you are going to feed 6 billion people in 2000\nthe food will have to be increased within their borders. Only the Japanes,\nBritish and perhaps Venezuela, with her oil, can buy any substantial quantity\nof food. Otherwise if we are going to feed the world? ????. In this\nbook I edited there are chapters by (4 names) in which we address ourselfes\nto these issues. There's pretty good stuff in it. Perhaps I could extract\nfrom that.\nK: No sense in doing it over again if those figures stand up.\nH: I do know about this area. These countries have to make their technology\navailable. It's the only way. Make an additional effort.\nK: Could you do something on that theme?\nH: It will tie back to John Hanna andXSNX AID.\nK: Will you set up a interagency group?\nHL I will\nK: Use that memo as an authority.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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