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U. Alexis Johneon
4/15/70 7:45 p.m.
K: I'm trying to see in this package whether it had any basis in
a Presidential decision and I can't find it. Is there something wrong
with me? I'm not saying he's against it, but this is a rather heavy
artillery list. There are as many 155s as in three American divisions.
J: I haven't been going into the details on this.
K: If the President had had a change to pass on something aike
this and this were a 40 percent increase I would clear it on my own.
But here we're giving three divisions of artillery. An American
division has eighteen 155s and we are giving 60. That's a pretty sig-
nificant number. I would like to put it to the President, but I'm sure
I can't get his decision tonight.
J: Let's drop trying to get it out tonight.
K: I'm trying to be responsive.
J: No, I had not gone into the detai ls on this. H was leaving it
to NEA and ISA to work it out together.
K: It would be a major potitical move for the President. It may
make sense and may be the right thing to do and I have no reason to
suppose he would disapprove it. The Secretary asked for approval of
F-104s and we approved that. But at the same time there was some
talk of going easy on artillery.
J: I haven't done my own homework.
K: 155s are the major item in there.
J: That's right.
K: If you wanted to cut them out and consider them separate,
the anti-aircraft we 've talked about something like that before.
J: Yes.
K: It's quite a package. If we take outd the 8" howitzers and
the 155 howitzers, which I understand are the same, the rest I'd be
prepared to do on my own. There are 24 8" howitzers and 20 155
mm. howitzers and 20 of another kind. Altogether that's 64 pieces
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