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    "ocrText": "DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nIclean\nHAK and the President\nPet\nLTR Nov\n18,2008\nDECLASSIFIED\n4/15/70\nB\n1\nMANDATORY Telcon REVIEW REQUEST NLN 07-31/95\nHAK and Richard Helms (IP)\nMANDATORY Iclcon REVIEW REQUEST NLN 07-A-54/15 SANITIZED Persec.\n4/16/70\n3.3(b)(i)\nPerLtr B 6/28/11\n3\nHAK\n4/16/70 PerLTR NW\nB\nMANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST HAK and NLN Jonathan 07-31/18 DECLASSIFIED\n18, 2008\n4\nTelcon\nMANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST NLN 07-A-54/17\nSANITIZED\nPersec.4/18/70\n3.3(b)(i)\nPerLtr 6/28/11\n3A.\nTelcon\nHAE and the President (Tp)\n4/17/70\nB\nMANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST NLN 07 - 31/20\nDECLASSIFIED PerLtr March 11, 2009\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts - Telephone Conversations\n4\nFOLDER TITLE\n1970 15-18 Apr 10\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES Aursuaht to Executive Order to be declassified. IA\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nTelcon\nHAK and the President (1p.)\n4/15/70\nB\n1\nMANDATORY Tekon REVIEW REQUEST NLN 07-31/16\nHAle and Richard Helms p.)\nMANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST N LN 07-31/17\n4/16/70\n3\nTcleon\nHAK and the President (1p.)\n4 MANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST NLN 07-31/18\n4/16/70\nTelcon\nHAK and Jonathan moore (2pp.)\nMANDATORY Telcon REVIEW REQUEST NLN 07-31/19\n4/18/70\nB\n3A.\nHAR and the President (1p.)\n4/17/70\nB\nMANDATORY\nREVIEW REQUEST NLN 07-31/20\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nkissinger Transcripts Telephone Conversations\n4\nFOLDER TITLE\n1970 15-18 Apr 10\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTR\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 *U.S GPO:1989-235-084/00024 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSenator Fulbright\n4/15/70 9:35 a. m.\nK: How are you?\nF: In my usual disturbed and distracted frame of mind.\nK: I noticed you don't like Metternich.\nF: Well, if you are going to play it you ought to plan it intelligently.\nK: I don't look to Matternich for guidance.\nF: He's a symbol. He himself was quite a fellow.\nK: I agree but I feel this particular type of policy is neither\nfeasible not desirable in the nuclear age.\nF: If you had time for another private session I thought that was\nvery useful.\nK: I'd love it. Should we do it at your house again?\nF: If you'd like to.\nK: Yes, I thought it was a very civilized setting.\nF: I did too. They did everything I expected them to do from my\npoint of view.\nK: I found it very helpful. These are gantlemen I respect very\nmuch. Maybe if we could talk about other things\nit's up to you.\nF: I'd love to talk about SALT.\nK: Good, but you are the one to decide which topics are of most\ninterest to you and your colleagues.\nF: We're having hearings now and I would think\nOf course,\nwe will want to know about Vietnam, but\nDo you want to have\nyour secretary call about dates?\nK: No, we can do it now. What time frame were you thinking of?\nF: Let me see. Did you read Mark Childs this morning? Do\nyou read those damaed columnists?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSenator Fulbright\n4/15/70 9:35 a. m.\npage 2\nK: I read them, but haven't read him this morning.\nF: It was very good. On the SALT talks.\nAny time in the\nnext 10 to 15 days. What looks good to you?\nK: Well, I might be able to do it this Saturday. I have the White\nHouse Correspondents Dinner I have to go to. But at 5:00\nF: That's fine.\nK: Either this Saturday or next Wednesday.\nF: I think Saturday is fine. I'm not sure about my colleagues;\nsome of them go out of town for the weekend. I'm not going out of town.\nInstead of having the same people, would you mind if I had some new\npeople. Men like Saxby maybe\nK: I'd leave it up to you as long as you give it a reasonable spec-\ntrum and have people sincerely interested in getting\nF: People like Mathias and Saxby.\nK: I have a lot of confidence in your judgment. I would like to\nleave it up to you.\nF: I was thinking about two or three off the committee and try to\nbalance the parties.\nK: Is Gore on your committee?\nF: Yes.\nK: He should be asked, shouldn't he?\nF: Yes, he's a senior member. But the only trouble withhim is\nhe's campaigning and he may be out of town.\nK: I could do it next Wednesday or I suppose I could do it on\nTuesday.\nF: That's all right. I think I could get better attendance then.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHarlow/Kissinger\n10:15 am\n4/15/70\nK: You should be flattered that you are called by one of the President's\nassistants.\nH: I'm standing but I have myself braced.\nK: I had a call from Fulbright to meet with his colleagues and himself at his\nhouse.\nH: I would do it.\nK: I think I should. Would you be willing to come along?\nH: If you would like. It gives you protection so they can't quote you.\nK: I want to have someone there and they should see that when they meet me\nsomeone on the Congressional side is along.\nH: Who would be there?\nK: Same group as before with someone like Saxbe.\nH: It's a high compliment to you and good.\nK: It would diffuse them as well as they can. Why is it flattering?\nH: Because if they didn't\nK: They suggested Sat. or Tues. Would you be clear Saturday at 4:00? It's\nthe WH dinner.\nH: Sally, am I free at 4:00? -- If Newport News is cancelled then I'm free.\nThe WH correspondents dinner is at 6:30. That might be cancelled because of\nMerriman Smith. The alternative is Tues.? Lets try that. No, I will be\nin New Orleans.\nK: It would be 5:00 Tues.\nH: Then on that basis, let's find out about these engagements on Sat.\nK: It would be 4:30.\nH: Let's hold out and see what the latest is on Sat.\nK: The WH is 6:30 cocktails and dinner at 7:30. I didn't plan on cocktails before\n7:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHarlow/Kissinger\n10:15 am 4/15/70\n-2-\nH: That's right.\nK: You are on the dias, now that you're on the Cabinet. I'm still with the\nHoi-poloi and I'm beginning to resent it.\nH: That's good for you. Sitting with the masses gives you perspective.\nK: I may fall off the high wire.\nH: Not you.\nK: I will aim for Sat. unless you can't do it.\nH: These things may be cancelled.\n(Harlow's office later called and said he could make it at 4:00 or 4:30\non Sat. HAK said he would let him know.)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nU.A. Johnson/Kissinger\n11:15 am\n4/15/70\nK: I have got that Kendall coming in this afternoon. I take it there's no response\nof any kind.\nJ: No, and there's nothing changed. I don't expect to here anything soon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nZiegler\n4/15/70;11:25a.m.\nZ:\non stage like you are in the morning meetings. How should\nI handle the Cambodian arms situation?\nK: Say we haven't had a formal request yet. We are in favor of\nneutrality. Waffle it. I wouldn't indicate we are going to give any.\nThe less visible we do it the better it is.\nZ: Just play it loose and screw it up.\nK: What is the mood of the press these days?\nZ: Overworked and agitated. Why? Are you supposed to do a backgrounder?\nK: I will whenever we give that speech.\nZ: Good, will you let me prepare the figures for you?\nK: What figures?\nZ; The ones you are going to use. So you won't get them screwed up\nthis time.\nK: Oh, of course. I might also give one on SALT sometime.\nZ: Good. Will you let me also prepare that one for you?\nK: Yes, but why?\nZ: Only that I am very sensitive about this.\nK: Oh, of course.\nZ: Good, Henry.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecy Packard\n4/15/70; 11:45 a. m.\nP: Re artillery package for Jordon. I have it. Are you familiar\nwith it?\nK: No.\nP: Working with State on a rather substantial package, mostly\nartillery, for Jordon - 21 55-mm artillery guns, 150 40-mm essentially\nanti-aircraft guns, mortars, radio equipment, amounts to about $50\nmillion. I am a little concerned about how to handle it.\nK: Why did that never come over here first?\nP: That is why I called you. State is pushing hard. They want us to\ngo to Jordan and tell them we can supply the package before Sisco\ngets over there. Want to get a message over today.\nK: That is out of the question.\nP: In view of the President's announcement on the Mid East the other\nday this would be a hell of a time to make an announcement like this.\nK: I must talk to the President about it but I don't see how they can do\nthis having just turned down the Israelis.\nP: That is why I called you, Henry.\nK: I am just giving you my off-the-cuff opinion. Do you want me to raise\nit with the President?\nRX\nP: I think you should. Johnson called me this morning. Maybe you\nought to take it up directly with the President before we send a message\nover.\nK: Thank you, David. This is the sort of thing that shouldn't come over\nhere and then we have to reverse everybody.\nP: It is a $48. 7 million package. We are supposed to sell it to them.\n21 55-mm artillery guns, 150 40-mm antiaircraft guns, mortars,\nradios and other equipment. They are pushing very hard to get this.\nThey claim if they don't get it from us they will go to the Soviets.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: We sent some over to them a few months ago.\nP: That was small arms for insurgency.\nK: We may decide to do this, but we can't do it on the basis of do it\non the basis of an Assistant Secretary paying a visit -- on a 24-hour\nclearance.\nP: If we decide to go ahead we ought to know what the problems are.\nI will talk to Alex and suggest that we get some word from you before\nwe go ahead.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Hickel/Kissinger\nafternoon\n4/15/70\nH: I had a talk with the Charge' at the Soviet Embassy. I just got through\nmeeting with him re my trip to Russia through Alaska. I would like to talk\nto you about this.\nK: As the President told Volpe, our problem isn't the merit of the trip but\nother things we are doing.\nH: I understood we should get your advice.\nK: You should get our go ahead before you do it. I have no objection to your\ntalking about it in principle but don't tell them the tlate you have agreed to.\nH: I told them roughly the first of June.\nK: You'll have to do something about that. That would be premature from our\npoint of view.\nH: I would like to talk to you.\nK: Our problem is that we have a complicated game to play and we want to\ngive them that as a reward and not as a down payment.\nH: I know Volpe is talking about it.\nK: You have priority over Volpe. If anyone goes, you can go.\nH: The problem I have is different but I will do what you have me do. Our\npolitical problem is to open up Siberia to Alaskan airlines. They will start\nthe 6th of June and after that wouldn't be important to me. After that it's\nafter the fact. They will have flights right off the Sea of Japan. Six of the\nflights are full out. If they take in just anyone then all my work for years is\ndown the drain.\nK: Our interest is not the merit.\nH: If I wasn't a Cabinet officer then I could go?\nK: Definitely. You cannot convince the Russians that W you would go just for\nAlaska or reasons of Interior. They would see it as a try for detente.\nH: I have an impossible thing.\nK: They will take you anytime.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHickel/Kissinger\nafternoon\n4/15/70\nH: They will but I am trying to win a battle on my home base.\nK: I will raise this with the President and call you in a few days. You had\nbetter ask him to hold off for a week.\nH: I will call him again and ask him to hold it for a week. I misread your\nmemo.\nK: It probably wasn't clear. Hold it for a week.\nH: If there's axix something kex else I could report to you.\nK: No, I understand. Wait a week.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMarshall Wright/Kissinger\n12:07 pm\n4/15/70\nK: I don't know if Haig got back to you.\nW: No.\nK: I would like it very much if you would join us but if you leave it up to three\nweeks which is most useful to us, does it make a difference?\nW: I don't understand.\nK: I would like to wait on the assignment until you return from Europe.\nW: The Asia job or the Middle East?\nK: Those are the two I am thinking of but if we re-organize it might even be\nEurope.\nW: That would be wonderful. I would like to study Europe under you. Is this\nfirm -- one of the three jobs?\nK: Let me talk to Elliot Richardson at lunch.\nW: Shakespeare wanted me to come over on Monday. So Frank is expecting me\non June 3 as an associate director.\nK: That's up to you.\nW: I want to work for you.\nK: It can be maddening to work for me.\nW: That's one of the charms and challenges. It would be good if someone could\ncall since I'm going to Europe. I will be in touch on May 6.\nK: I will have Haig call Shakespeare.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Kennedy/Kissinger\n12:22 pm\n4/15/70\nK: I am just back from Asia to Japan and Korea. Have you had a report on\nSato?\nHAK: I saw the State Department's report.\nK: I think he is willing to do so. He is faced with what he told the President.\nHe thinks X there are too many people involved.\nHAK: That's the truth.\nK: He said if on a top secret basis we would send he had theee people\nhimself and two others if one of our men with one of his we could get to\nthe textile people. I thought it was a very helpful discussion. We talked\nabout economic and financial matters but he kept going back to textiles.\nI tried to keep out of the details. I told him it would be done and done pro-\nperly because it could be bad for the Japanese and us.\nHAK: He doesn't want to deal with Stans.\nK: He x indicated that he used the State Dept. man Johnson, I guess.\nHAK: You think he wants to deal with him?\nK: That's my guess but I don'w know. At one point I thought he was inviting\nme but I kept out of it.\nKAK: You behaved with delicacy.\nK: I called and gave Johnson the details on Japan and Korea. P ark is getting\nedgy. One thing I didn't tell Johnson about the Ambassador had talked\nwith Park on withdrawal and he was ready to go and then Tydings gave out\nsome story. It was a leak, I understand.\nKAK: I didn't know\nK: So then he pulled back.\nHAK: Damn it.\nK: Park is ready to go but the timing is up in the air based on Tydings or some\nother Senator. Fulbright, maybe.\nHAK: I will check on that. Thanks very much and all this is very helpful.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHaldeman/Kissinger\n1:00 pm\n4/15/70\nK: I wanted to ask you this. This fellow that the President talked to cannot\nget his wife to change her mind and he is leaving.\nH: Who are you talking about\nK: Larry Lynn. He is leaving at the end of August.\nH: Do you want the President to call again?\nK: No. I wouldn't ask him again. If the President of the United States asks\nyou to stay and you don't have the responsibility to stay then I don't want\nhim. I wouldn't keep him if he asked me, now. He tells me that Tom Whitehead\nwho worksfom Flanigan could be brought along. Haig W says Whitehead is\nunderemployed.\nH; That;s true and I will look into it. Question: How much desireablity is there\nin the President meeting with Thieu or Abrams and Bunker before the VN\nannouncemnt?\nK: Not with Thieu.\nH: That figures. Very astute, my friend.\nK: Not with Abrams and Bunker either. That just confuses the issue.\nH: What if we need to have an excuse for him to be in Hawaii? How would you\nlike to make the announcement from Honolulu?\nK: So he can be there for the astronauts?\nH: ?72???\nK: My suggestion is that he go to see the astronauts and then he sees Bunker.\nH: We could take Moorer.\nK: Then it's a war pow-wow.\nH: And you want a peace pow-wow. Then not Abrams either. You are right.\nHabib?\nK: Habib is coming back early May anyway. We don't want to cover of thing\nfor another thing. Everyone understands he want to see the astronauts. And\na 10 min. briefing at EINCPAC. And seeing Bunker would be natural. And\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHaldeman/Kissinger\n1:00 pm\n4/15/70\n-2-\nK: (cont) even Byroade over from the Phillipines.\nH: Don't discuss this with anyone. I don't think it would work out.\nK: When would he go? Saturday? Would I go with him?\nH: Yes. He is not leaving for the West Coast until the 29th.\nK: Good. It fits in beautifully with my plans.\nH: Anything to help you out.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n3/15/70 4:00 p.m.\n[4]\nR: This SALT briefing for Congress. The President decided\nto do it tomorrow?\nK: Right. You have been invited, haven't you?\nR: I don't know.\nK: I am sure you were.\nR: It's all laid on now? It was supposed to be next week.\nXX It would have been better.\nK: That was my own preference but he was afraid it would leak\nout overthe weekend.\nR: Because of the meeting?\nK: Yes.\nR: But it's going to be ceremonial at the geginning. Who's going\nto be there? Gore?\nK: Yes.\nR: Oh God.\nK: If you can change his mind\nR: I'm afraid it's too late.\nK: I have urged him to be general and talk about categories and\nnot details and to urge them not to talk about it.\nR: What time is it?\nK: 8:30.\nR: Ishould be there.\nK: Yes. You are invited.\nR: This Danish Prime Minister is leaving at 8:30. I'm going to\nhave somebody else see him off. I spend so much time with these people.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Roggrs\n4/15/70 4:00 p.m.\npage 2\nK: I don't see how you do it. He raved about you for what it's worth.\nR: That and 20 cents will get you a ride in a subway.\nK: I was against it, but the President wanted to show some affirmative\nmovement.\nR: It will give me a chance to talk to Fulbright about something else.\nK: The President is afraid the combination of the briefing of NATO\nand the snooping around of the press\nWhile I have you on the\nphone, about the U.N. commission, I would be glad to work out a joint\nlist with you. I have no views on it so it would be your list.\nR: I don't want to bargain with Flemming. Some of these people are\nso old; there's no point in having them. Jack McCloskey, no point in having\nhim. Edward Teller shouldn't be on.\nK: No, he's bad.\nR: We could do it in 5 minutes after the meeting.\nK: Yes, and since it will be a joing list that should settle it. I don't\nhave a suggestion.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZeigler/Kissinger\n4:10 pm (?) 4/15/70\nZ: Are you aware of what I said this morning re Soviet\n.\nKN No.\nZ: I said the President\nK: Could I call you in 15 mins. ?\nZ: I have to brief. I said we have received a message from Kosygin and skoxxtex\nfrom many countries both here and at NASA. This shows concern around the\nworld. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (quoting too fast for notetaker to get). OK?\nK: That's fine.\nZ: I was ak asked if the President expressil y intends to respond.\nK: Yes.\nZ: Personnaly?\nK: To the Soviets.\nZ: Thanking him. Would we release it? They will probably release theirs.\nK: We haven't decided yet. We asked NASA to draft a reply.\nZ: Is the tone fine?\nK: It's fine.\nZ: I would rather you didn't answer unless you have to.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZeigler.\n4:12 4/15/70\nIn a conversation with Ron Zeigler, Mr. Kissinger indicated that he was\nt hinking of talking to the press after his congressional briefing tomorrow.\nHowever, he might put it off until Friday. Ron said that there was a\ngreat risk of leaks if he waited and he should do it right away. HAK said\nhe would think about it and let Ron know.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Jackson/Kissinger\n4:35 pm\n4/15/70\nJ: I have a breakfast thing on tomorrow morning. Will there be a subsequent\nopportunity to be brought up to daye?\nK: I will have one of my people brief you.\nJ: These people are coming all the way from Spokane. How about a senior\nstaff member Fosdick?\nK: Send Dorothy (?) and I will have him/her (?) brought in with my people.\nJ: Do you know Perle?\nK: Send him. He is less known. I will check on it because no one else has\nthat. It's wiser just to have one.\nJ: I will let your office know. Just put down Richard Perle. You know\nhim. Will you clear him at the SW gate?\nK: Have him at my office at 8:15 and I will bring him up. I will have to talk\nto Harlow and if he has a XXXXXXIX conniption I will have to call you back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Stans\n4/15/70 9: 45 p.m.\nK: I just talked to my Japanese friend again and the President\nthis afternoon. The President wanted me to get from you what you\nconsider the minimum reasonable position. It should be sensistent\nwith our commitment but with the utmost flexibility.\nS: I think the best place to find flexibility is in the base period.\nWe could go to 1969 base period; that would give them considerable\nincrease. We could even allow a step-up in 70. If we start tampering\nwith the mechanics you lose control.\nK: My contact is coming over next week for some other reason.\nSato would like 4 or 5 variations of our plan which would have the\nsame result. He could put it forward as his idea to his associates.\nS: You don't suspect any kind of trap.\nK: Well, this is not an official thing. I'd just put it on a plain\npiece of paper and just deny it. He says his problem is his associates\nknow he doesn't know about the problem. When he gets to technicalities\nthey suspect collusion. This seems plausible to me.\nS: Me too. We'll get to work on it.\nK: Don Kendall certainly seemed subdues when he left.\nS: Yes, I was grateful for your support xæx and for Flanigans'.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nProf. Doty/Kissinger\n5:05 pm\n4/515/70\nD: Just two or three things. With regard to a science type that you were talking\nabout I have several suggestions -- the most attractive one is at the Lincoln\nLabratories. I wondered if that was far enough away to get the circulam vitae.\nK: I don't know if it will be approved.\nD: He sounds so good and I can get Ruina to send for his sheet. The larger\nissue is that in the event that\nwould retire on his 70th birthday this\nyear and there was talk about replacement there and I suggest you take into\naccount the person I would come up with -- Charlie Towne. He is at Berkley\nnow.\nK: That;s a good idea.\nD: That's meaningful to him. MIT was a mixed blessing for him. He would\nlike to see that scene again with some confidence\nK: That's an interesting idea.\nD: I think he would be remarkable. I hasten to mention it now because the\nnational academy --\nK: The President is calling now and I have a meeting. Let me call you back\naround 7:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresidant/Kissinger\n5:08 pm\n4/15/70\n(Missed the first couple of sentences.)\nP: he won't be back from South America until May 7. I heard he talked with\nKendall. Did you see him?\nK: They talked alone first. I took a tough line with Kendall.\nP: Sato told Kennedy that there are too many people. I think you have to call\nyour contact. Is he in with this fellow?\nK: Yes.\nP: I agree that you and he are to work out the deal.\nK: I can work out the instructions but I don't understand enough of the details\nto discuss it. The other fellow is coming for a conference.\nP: We have to work on it before Stans gets back because he will senwant to\ngo and that cannot be.\nK: They don't like him. Sato has a tough domestic, time problem and vae ****** must\nsay we are firm and he cannot shop around. Every we have a reasonable\nproposal he wants us to be tough so he can get an easy one.\nP: Can you work something out with Stans.\nK: I will talk with my contact.\nP: Tell your contact we agree and let's get down to brass tacks. We shouldn't\nlet this exacerbate our relationship. We have the bill in now and we don't\nwant it. Stans will put us back.\nK: He will get us back in the '30's. He is a lousy negotiater and they don't\nlike him. We have a formal request for military aid.-- from Cambodia.\nP: ? ? ? ? ? Everything we can to get those Thais back there.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, as amended, Sect 3.5\nNLN 07-31/16: PerLTR Nov 18, 2008\nBy P.GH NARA, Date 4.3.09 Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nPhil Farley\n4/15/70 6:30 p.m.\nF: The full briefing schedule has excelerated.\nK: Right.\nF: Are you expecting me to participate?\nK: Yes, we expect you to be present. President intended to do\nmost of it himself. He may have me give a description of the work\nprogram. But you have been invited?\nF: No.\nK: God Damn. We want you there\nF: Are you trying to discourage Congressional briefings?\nK: I hadn't thought of it one way or the otherś.\nwe\nF: If there is a disposition to try to cut these off N might make a\npoint about the desirability of cutting down or else take them as they come.\nK: I think that's the present inclination, but I'll check.\nF: I'll be there a little before 8:30.\nK: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nU. Alexis Johneon\n4/15/70 7:45 p.m.\nK: I'm trying to see in this package whether it had any basis in\na Presidential decision and I can't find it. Is there something wrong\nwith me? I'm not saying he's against it, but this is a rather heavy\nartillery list. There ase as many 155s as in three American divisions.\nJ: I haven't been going into the details on this.\nK: If the President had had a change to pass on something aike\nthis and this were a 40 percent increase I would clear it on my own.\nBut here we're giving three divisions of artillery. An American\ndivision has eighteen 155s and we are giving 60. That's a pretty sig-\nnificant number. I would like to put it to the President, but I'm sure\nI can't get his decision tonight.\nJ: Let's drop trying to get it out tonight.\nK: I'm trying to be responsive.\nJ: No, I had not gone into the detai ls on this. H was leaving it\nto NEA and ISA to work it out together.\nK: It would be a major potitical move for the President. It may\nmake sense and may be the right thing to do and I have no reason to\nsuppose he would disapprove it. The Secretary asked for approval of\nF-104s and we approved that. But at the same time there was some\ntalk of going easy on artillery.\nJ: I haven't done my own homework.\nK: 155s are the major item in there.\nJ: That's right.\nK: If you wanted to cut them out and consider them separate,\nthe anti-aircraft we've talked about something like that before.\nJ: Yes.\nK: It's quite a package. If we take outd the 8\" howitzers and\nthe 155 howitzers, which I understand are the same, the rest I'd be\nprepared to do on my own. There are 24 8\" howitzers and 20 155\nmm. howitzers and 20 of another kind. Altogether that's 64 pieces\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nU. Alexis Johnson\n4/15/70 7:45 p.m. page 2\nof artillery. I would like to take some advice on the 150 howitzer.\nJ: They are much smaller. More a field type of thing. I have\nbeen trying to get NEA and Defense together on the thing. If we take\nout the heavy howitzers and the 155s\nK: That would be a more manageable problem for me. I won't\nbe able to get the President to handle it tonight.\nJ: I understand that. If we take out the 64\nK: Let me reserve judgment on the 105 howitzers. I'd like\nto ask what that is. But the others I understand the the trucks.\nJ: Yes. If we take out the 105s and\nK: If you take out the artillery and leave the anti-aircraft,\ntrucks, mortars and radar you can consider it cleared now.\nJ: Okay. I'll talk to Roger Davies on this and if they think\nit is useful to go ahead with the rest of it then we will. If not, we\nwill hold up on the X whole thing.\nK: If you take out all the howitzers I don't have to think at all.\nIt would still give them mortars and radar. That's not an inconse-\nquential package.\nJ: No, not at all. If they don't think it's worth it to go ahead\nwith that then we'll hold the whole thing over.\nK: Okay, let me know which way it comes out.\nJ: Okay, I'll call Roger Davies and call you back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nProf. Yoshida\n4/15/70; 9:20 p.m.\nY: My friend has asked me to assure you that it is his never changed\nintention to honor his commitment and to go through with the negotiations.\nHe appreciates the embarrassing position of your friend and expresses\nhis personal regret for the delay in reaching a mutual agreement. As\nyou described it to me the other day, my friend realizes this is indeed an\nunfortunate thing for both of us. At the final stage he will exercise his\npolitical power to get this done. He knows that he will have to pay a\nheavy political price.\nK: How will we get to the final stage?\nY: I have made it clear to my friend that our counterproposal must be\nbased on your three conditions. He understood that. He has already told\nthat to the two top aides as his own idea -- nothing to do with our channel.\nBut he is not an expert on the subject. Apparently he has some confusion\nand difficulty in getting this translated into a concrete counterproposal.\nIn light of the difficult situation here, just between us, when I come to see\nyou next week around the 24th, I wonder if you could prepare a few options\naccommodating your three points so that I could give them to my friend\nso that he will be able to formulate his own counterproposals based on\none of your ideas and then we could put it to you.\nK: I understand.\nY: You are not an expert, but sometimes I feel that an outsider can see\nthings much better and put them in the proper perspective. I would like\nyou to give me some options, if you can.\nK: Right, I will do that. One other possibility I talked to my friend\nthis afternoon and he was picking up the suggestion of your friend that it\nbe done through private negotiations secretly. If you want to send somebody\nhere, he would let me take a personal interest in the matter to get the\nthing settled.\nY: I see, with you?\nK: Yes of course, I would have to take practical advice. It would not\nbe a bad time to do this before May 2 for one technical reason one of\nthe men with whom you were so concerned, counterpart of your Mr.\nM\nwill be away and therefore it will be somewhat easier\nfor us to be flexible.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nKissinger/Yoshida\n4/15/70; 9:20 p.m.\n- 2 -\nY: Certainly, get things settled before May 2.\nK: But it doesn't have to be -- it is just a suggestion.\nY: I would like to talk to my friend.\nK: In any case, I will prepare some possible variations. I understand\nyour problem.\nY: This is the only way from our side that we can get things done. I\nwould greatly appreciate your personal intervention.\nK: I will take a personal interest in it.\nY: In the meantime, I would like to talk to my friend again over the telephone.\nIf my friend can find someone to send to you in the absolute quiet then I\nwould certainly let you know.\nK: I understand the problem.\nY: This has to be quiet. This is rather difficult for us to send someone\nwho knows something about the subject and who could settle the matter.\nK; We have the same problem.\nY: In any case would you please do that for me.\nK: When are you coming?\nY: I will come on the 23rd or 24th.\nK: I will be here on the 24th so I could see you on the afternoon of the 24th.\nOr maybe the morning of the 25th.\nY: That's excellent. Could I see you on the evening of the 24th and if\nnecessary on the 25th, too.\nK: Right.\nY: Then I don't have to change my itinerary.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nKissinger/Yoshida\n4/15/70; 9:20 p.m.\nK: When you say evening, you mean 6:00?\nY: That's right. As soon as I get in I will get in touch with you. Will\nyou set up an appointment tentatively for 6:00 on the 24th and if necessary\nanytime on the 25th at your convenience. In the meantime I will talk to\nmy friend about your suggestion and I will get in touch with you again.\nK: Fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nPresident/Kissinger\n4-15-70 9:50 p.m.\nK: Mr. President\nP: With regard to the briefing tomorrow, one thing we must instruct\npeople to see they won't follow instructions. Gore and Case will be\nthere so everything will leak. He (Gore) shouldn't be invited. Case\nis worse.\nK: We didn't handle it. It was handled by the Congressional office.\nI would tell them that it is very important that this not leak; that we\ngive an honest briefing but if it isn't handled well there will be a\npropaganda battle with the Soviets.\nP: What can they say?\nK: It would help our negotiations. They are glad(?) it is comprehensive\nand covers every category of weapons -- includes both MIRV and ABM\nfor negotiations.\nP: We will try that. We will take our chances.\nK: As long as you have said it.\nP: You can tell Dobrynin we can't control our Senators.\nK: Dobrynin is back in the Soviet Union. I will call Dobrynin's\nreplacement tomorrow.\nP: We have to do that under the law.\nK: I talked to our Japanese contact just now. He is coming next week.\nStans is working on three or four alternatives. Sato has his own\nbureaucracy. We have to give him some flexibility and a deadlock.\nP: What?\nK: A deadlock so he can break it.\nSent someone to pick up the\nKennedy proposal.\nP: I think the best thing is for him to settle it with you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n4-15-70 9:50 p.m.\n- 2 -\nK: It is the end of their Diet Session May 20 and then they can do it\nby Executive Order(?).\nP: Mills has a bill in.\nK: I am pushing and he is calling me tomorrow. I would like to settle\nit by May 1. That's when Maury comes back. Their proposal to us\nis that I give this guy next week three or four schemes so he can put\nit to his bureaucracy as his own idea.\nP: The Kendall thing is out of the question.\nK: I told him we couldn't do what he suggested. His is a complete\ncave in.\nP: With what he suggested you would have a quota bill down here in about\na month\nK: Not even face-saving.\nP: One year moratorium\nhell. Both Case and Gore are crazy.\nK: I will just give him four options. I won't single out the one you\npicked. It will show them we have been very serious. Then you can\nsay why you picked out the two you did. The Arms Control Agency\nrecommended No. 2 and you went a step beyond them.\nP: I won't tell that Defense recommended No. 1.\nK: Defense recommended 1 or 4. You recommended 3 or 4.\nAlternatives\non-sight inspection and ban MIRVs or reduce land\nbased missile force but keep MIRV.\nP: You might say the radar thing.\nK: Your memorandum on Bell\nprobably just the scientists raising\nhell.\nP: My view is we can get the contract to someone else.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n4-15-70 9:50 p.m.\n- 3 -\nK: I agree. Nothing was discovered last year they didn't know before.\nAll our experiments indicate it is working. I have had these tests\nlooked at. There is no major problem on test results.\nP: Sheer camouflage. People will say it won't work. They are\nagainst it because they don't want the U.S. too strong. If it doesn't\nwork,\nour friends in the Soviet Union are building them like\ncrazy.\nK: We know what we have to do against the Soviets.\nP: Phase 2\nwe can't afford to lose ABM.\nK: Radar\nP: We will build radars. Discuss it with Mel so we will be in a position\nto move. Go for R&D and radar.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nProfessor Doty\n4/15/70 10:00 p.m.\nDoty and Kissinger talked about ;the riots in Cambridge that ared going\non tonight, started at 7:00 this evening. I will transcribe the conversation,\nW hich was quite lengthy tomorrow. Only at the very end of the conversa-\ntion did Mr. Kissinger and Prof. Doty discuss anything on which any action\nwas to be taken:\nD: We'll get together next Wednesday or Thursday, and you'll\nsend me the curriculum on this fellow?\nD: Yes. There are other possibilities, but this seemed the best.\nK: What's his name?\nD: Joel Aruskin (? ).\nK: I couldn't be so lucky as to get an Anglo-Saxon.\nD: I'll look into that. There's also a fellow in ACDA(?) his\nlast name if Ifft.\nK: That has the advantage that ACDA might pay for him. If\nanything important happens at Harvard will you let me know?\nD: Okay, I will. And in your spare time, think about the Charlie\nTown situation, will you?\nK: Yes. I think that is a good suggestion. I will raise xixx it\ntomorrow.\n[There was no mention during the course of the conversation of what the\nCharlie Town situation or the suggestion regarding it is.]\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nY\n4/15/70 10:50 p.m.\nY: I just spoke with my friend about your position and your sug-\ngestion to quietly send his man to you in order to settle the matter\nbefore May second. My friend feels it is very difficult to find a\ntrusted and qualified person to send and make arrangements. Also,\none of his aides, Aichi, is now overseas on a trip and won't be back\nfor several days. He therefore regretfully declines your suggestion.\nHe would like your personal intervention and assistance still along the\nlines I suggested to you.\nK: Some of our people think it's a trick. But I will use my\nintervention.\nY: I am very honest and my friend means it.\nK: I believe you and I will askson act on that basis. I believe\nyou because I know you will think we have to work together.\nY: I would like you to trust me. I am very honest with you.\nK: I am sure of that.\nY: My friend thinks it is very difficult to find a qualified person\nto settle the matter.\nK: I understand.\nY: When I see you Friday, April 24 in the evening, I should\nlike you to give me as many options as you can. Please put yourself\nin the position of my friend and make these options as easy as you can,\nnot for himself. My friend will act\nK: My people do not know very much about our contact. XXXX\nI\ndon't know how much I can offer you but I will do my best.\nY: Even my friend's closest aides have no knowledge. Just between\nmyself and my friend. His closest ades have no exact knowledge of the\nexistence of this. My friend has the same problem. What he really\nwants is not the detail but the outline of\nK: I have asked my people to prepare various options.\nY: Yes, please.\nK: But we have already gone back from the agreement we made before.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nY\n4/15/70 10:50 p.m.\npage 2\nY: That's right. Within that framework, if there's any room\nK: I will take a look at it. I am not too optimistic, but I will take\na look at it.\nY: I will see you next week. I will be away from home from the\nmorning of Saturday, the 18th.\nK: I may be taking my children to Camp David that weekend. But\nI may have you brought up by helicopter or car.\nY: I can be reached in Washington at the Washington Hilton Hotel.\nK: Yes, but you will call us.\nY: Yes. I am paying a brief necessary visit to Paris and London\nI will leave for Paris on the 18th.\nK: I will not call you after Saturday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n11:25 am\n4/16/70\nR: This is a minor matter but I am curious. I don't understand Defense. The\nPresident gave instructions that there would be no comments on future reductions.\nMel KSK has prepared a sppech. It was on the front Page of the Post this morning\nDon't they ready their instructions? He made the speech\nat Ft. Riley, Kansas.\nK: He said it in a background last week before the instructions. I told\nAlex tx That State had been great on these things. We haven't had a leak in\n6 months from there.\nR: I keep telling my people and then they see this.\nK: He will see this. You are right that there is no change in the instructions.\nTo take the credit for it when he knows there was military objection to it.\nHe should let the President take the credit. I hadn't seen it or I would have\nraised hell this morning.\nR: It's on the front page of the Post.\nK: It won't help your negotiations.\nR: Even if Mel hadn't seen the instructions, his people did.\nK: The President said it orally.\nR: I think the leaks on reductions, Cambodia, etc., are coming from Defense.\nK: I think that's true.\nR: Or maybe from over there.\nK: I told Alex you were being very meticoulous.\nR: We are. There is some I suppose - -\nK: That can't be helped. Thank you, Bill.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSANITIZED COPY\nTELCON\nHelms/Kissinger\n12:15 pm\n4/16/70\nK: I just wondered about your man in Penom Penh.\nH: He isn't closer there then when I talked to you last. I checked on this at\n6:00 last night.\nK: What does it take to get him in there?\nH: Green and Rogers to agree to get him in.\nSANITIZED\nK: What reason is there for not doing it?\nPeR 3. 3(b)(1)\nH:\nK: What's the problem?\nH:\nthere but there\nhas been a problem of real estate and room. I\nK: If they feel your man follows the equipment, they are not in a hurry to\nget the equipment in there.\nH: That's right. I W also suggested a communicator and he could handle both\nsides. We don't really have to wait on this. I think it's silly but I don't know\nhow to handle it any harder than I have. Would you call Green?\nK: I don't deal with Green. Will you consider this a formal request for a\nstatus report and get a one page memo to me this afternoon? Just what you've\ntold me. There will be no further negotiation.\nH: I will and thank you.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nper 3.3(b)(1); HR. 6/28/11\nSANITIZED Richard COPY Library NLN 07-A-54/15 tp. 1of\nBy MLH\nNARA, Date 10/17/11\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nDir Helms\n4/16/70; 1:15 pm\nK: I don't know whether the President has had a chance to talk to you yet.\nH: I just hung up . Just talked to him.\nK: He wants to get together with you and Cushman this afternoon at\n3:30 in the EOB.\nH: Cushman and I will be there.\nK: Come to my office and we will go over together.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n2:37 pm\n4/16/70\nL: That went well this morning.\nK: I thought SO too.\nL: I have a feature over there.\nK: We didn't have any comments.\nL: We have to start hitting a little bit or we will get XX clobbered in the House.\nK: The President did (?). There was one point about XX one missle compared\nto the other. Haig called Barroodi about it.\nL: I have gone out to thefield for you saw the recent intelligence reports on\nSAM sites. Wehave no sites in the area you are interested in.\nK: The SAM site he wants to hit are in the previous area and Rt. 101.\nL: There are none there now and none in an active status. I went to McV and\nasked them to get any intelligence on any they could find. There are no sites\nnow. They are in movement.\nK: Let's wait.\nL: We ought to have something in the next few hours.\nK: He is determined to do it.\nL: The next thing I understand it's tied up with Saigon. Nothing's going\non in Saigon.\nK: He has been reading the casualty reports.\nL: We had one bad one yesterday a heliocopter landed on a booby trap that\nlet off their ammunition that they were carrying. But that's all there's been\nthis week.\nK: He wants his general posture that if they challenge him he must hit beck\nor there will be erosion of\n.\nL: I think the best response will be areas that are built up in Cambodia.\nK: Other than what you are already doing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n2:37 pm 4/16/70\n-2-\nL: We had one 25 minutes ago against a build up in Laos. 17 sorties in there.\nK: Let me have the intellignece report on that this afternoon. He doesn't\nwant any ? ? ?\nL: I can't go on that.\nK: You can always go to him.\nL: ???? You are just inviting them across the DMZ.\nK: If the SAM sites are there, go for them. If they are not there, find what\nyou have.\nL: What does he want, the Bartholomy pass?\nK: No, south of there.\nL: McGuia (?) pass. I have asked for intelligence on that and should xxxx\nbehearing soon. W Should I tell him its there are no sites.\nK: I will tell him.\nL: Make sure he understands we believe thst the lack of AAM activity and\nmovement suggests that new re-allignment is under way but we don't know\nwhere that will be. We are watching it. But in Saigon we have lost no one and\nthe VN only 3.\nK: I will tell him.\nL: Three shells are nothing.\nK: We will wait for your intelligance.\nL: I will get it right away. I have a cable here from State to call people out\nof Cambodia again. We are causing trouble.\nK: You are doing fine.\nL: I will not sign it for awhile. I think we should keep up the posture like\nin Laos.\nK: He will be very pleased on that.\nL: I will put off signing that cable for awhile.\nK: I will leave it like it is.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n5:40 pm\n4/16/70\nR: Mel sent me a copy of his speech. Have you seen it?\nK: It's not very literate.\nR: Not that. I think it causes a hell of a lot of trouble. It's not in the spirit\nof this morning. Secondly, it's easy to construe as an effort on our part to\nshuttle the SALT talks. Third, it will drive the Russians up the wall.\nK: The President wanted him to give the balance. But he hasn't seen this\nspeech.\nR: That's what I thought. It will raise hell.\nK: It doesn't hurt us if it's forthcoming.\nR: If he feels he must do it, it shouldn't relate to SALT. He should say this\nis what I propose but objiously if SALT works, we will have to change it. But\nhe ties it on to SALT.\nK: That's a strong point. He should do it on a ????. But it shouldn't\nbe directed at SALT.\nR: He can state the facts but not draw the conclusion. He starts out by saying\nhe wants to put the facts on the table but he says we haven't done anything.\nK: I said he should put in MIRV to put the sense of balance. I made that\nto his sugge assistant.\nR: I see no reason to challenge them. You can challenge them with the facts.\nHe says SALT will give us a chance to see what the Russians are up to. That's\nwhat they accuse us of.\nK: I will have it made a speech on military balance and take out the SALT.\nR: Even that seems like bad timing. It could be to Congress. I guess he\nis stopped because he hasn't another speech.\nK: That's right.\nR: I think the President should W say if he wants to give a speech.\nK: We did well today.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRogers/Kissinger\n5:40 pm\n416/70\n-2-\nR: That's what I mean. If we could keep them in the frame of mind they were\nin this morning that would be great.\nK: I will mention it to the President and I will get that done on the SALT part\nof it.\nR: I don't think the President should have to approve it but Heshou ld think\nabout the timing and see if it will help XII or hurt on ABM fight. Those\nSenators were impressed.\nK: Mansfield and Cooper praised the President.\nR: I wonder if this will destroy the good work we did today. Mel has oppor-\ntunities to testify.\nK: Does he have another speech?\nR: They can get him another one.\nK: I mentioned to the President about that troop withdrawal thing and he\nagrees and knows you played the game.\nR: It makes no difference to me but it scoops him on his speech. I'm not\nbugging Mel but\nK: I will do what I can.\nR: If he makes it, he shouldn't let on the President even knew about it.\nK: That's essential and the absolute minimum.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n6:15 pm\n4/16/70\nR: I think I must have gotten a garbled report - - and 8:30 briefing tonight?\nK: No, tomorrow morning.\nR: I could just imagine the President seeing those guys at 8:30 tonight.\nK: It would be interesting.\nR Any late news on Apollo?\nK: I had a briefing at 3:00 from Anders and the big problem will come\ntomorrow. They will power the systems tomorrow. They don't know how\nthey will react after being cool for so long.\nR: I had lunch with Michedl Collins today. He thinks if they get into this\ncorridor - which is a little like hitting the edge of a piece of paper from\n30 feet - once you are in the corridor you are good about it.\nK: That's what they tell us.\nR: He thinks the oxygen and electricity are ok.\nK: Yes, but since they have never flown in this configuration before and never\nmade these adjustments before, there are questions. They don't think the\nheat shield is bothered by the explosion. I thought it was like the government\nafter things are in bad shape then you still have to go 70, 000 miles before you\ncan turn around. Let me lxx leave you on that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n7:00 pm\n4/16/70\nP; I got that copy down to you. Did Rose hand it to you? \"\nK: I haven't seen it yet. I'm sure I will get it -- I was in a meeting.\nP: I don't want it to go beyond. How was the meeting?\nK: We don't have the enthusiastic support of Marshall Green.\nP: Did Helms x stand up?\nK: Cushman did, very well. We are getting a cable out to Cambodia tonight\nand sending\nto the Thais tonight if soon as we know.\nK P: Take one out and send one in. How long will you be there?\nK: An hour or so. Indefinitely if you want me to.\nP: Come have a bite with us. Be here in two minutes. And pick up that thing\non the way.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, as amended, Sect 3.5\nBy P.GH\nNLN07-31/18: PerLTR Nov 18, 2008\nNARA, Date 4-3-09\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n8 06 pm 4/16/70\nL: I wanted to check one or two things with you. First, on the SALT\npresentation, I understand we are not going to be able to look at the\npresentation for Monday.\nK: Why?\nL: I was talking with Gardner and the presentation isn't ready.\nK: I don't know, I haven't looked at it. We are not doing it.\nL: My understanding is that we are just going with C.\nK: No!\nL: They had a briefing ? ?\nK: That's what Sta te and ACDA are trying to peddle but I'm putting out a\nPresidential directive that even a child can understand. We are presenting D.\nL: They said that was only a public relations thing.\nK: I'm getting up set about this.\nL: That's what Gardaer said.\nK: Gardner is a first rate guy. This is the game some people are trying to\nplay but we won't have it.\nL: I thought the signals may have been changed and I was trying to find out\nwhat the deal was.\nK: Gerry said do I have to present them together. I said that was physically\nimpossible and he would have to present them one after the other. So he\nfigured we were just going for C and he could fuol around with D.\nL: ? ? ? ? I may call him. I want this for\nGardner.\nK: I heard this was said by Bill at the backstop meeting.\nL: I'm having a little trouble on my speech. I have to take a little different\nline because I have to build support for my budget and ABM. I had SO much\ntrouble this week.\nK: We have no problem with the speech. The only thing I wonder - but I\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n8:06 pm\n4/16/70\n-2-\nK (cont. ): don't have a text in front of me. Could you do it only on arms\nbalance and keep SALT out of it?\nL: OK.\nK: Then it's a great assest.\nL: I should say I am for SALT.\nK: Yest but don't say it's for the Soviet system (?).\nL: I called Bill and he wanted 5 corrections and that was one of them.\nK: Then it's an asset and not a liability.\nL: You have to bring up somethings for national security.\nK: The President says if he is pressed he will go on TV and do what you are\ndoing. When the Secy. of Defense cannot speak of defense anymore, then\nwe are in trouble. But just don't say SALT so it won't look like we ? ? ? ?\nL: I will send you a new draft tomorrow without it.\nK: On the hitting -- he says it must be Xx before Monday.\nL: Iwent to Abrams today and he says we have taken them out at Bartholomy and\nMcGuia (?).\nK: The 3 sites reaching into Laos.\nL: Right. I went back andxid said find three sites.\nK: The 3 at the border that can reach into Laos.\nL: You saw the report this morning.\nK: I saw a map where one is located and two unlocated.\nL: They have been moved. We are locating them tonight and we will be bakc\nto you tomorrow.\nK: Then you can get them before Monday?\nL: Yes. But we have to locate them and have something to you tomorrow\nby 10:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n8:06 pm\n4/16/70\n-3-\nK: That's all right. But lejust reassured that it has to be done by Monday\nmorning.\nL: Does he want to do anything in Cambodia? An air strike and go deeper?\nThat ok?\nK: With B-52's? If it doesn't hit a population center, I think that would\nbe all right.\nL: I will organize that. We will have a report for you tomorrow morning\nand I will send you a new copy of the sppech with those corrections made.\nThe House Committee reported out our bill today on the ABM and kept\neverything intact. We will pass it in the House and then fight it in the\nSenate. I cannot get anybody to speak out for ABM this year. They are\nrunning like hell.\nK: It's a disgrace.\nL: We will do it but only by beating people over the head. I can't get\nanybody to do it.\nK: Like who?\nL: I take Bill's suggestions for my speeches but I can't get him to put in\na paragraph for me in his. He says it isn't the time. I said we will be\nthrough with the voting soon and he feels it will ruin SALT.\nK: It will ruin SALT if we don't.\nL: We cannot take ABM on a supplemental. He wants to wait 90 days.\nK: In 90 days there will be other reasons. You have been a good soldier.\nL: We will give them hell.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nFullbright/Kissinger\n4-16-70 8:40 p.m.\nK: How are you?\nF: Fine, Henry. I thought you did a good job this morning.\nK: I appreciate that.\nF: Very good meeting.\nK: We have worked hard on this. It is as important as anything we\ncould be doing. Everyone says Vietnam takes most of our time, but\nthe arguments on Vietnam are understood.\nF: I think everybody was pleased. I don't know what the Joint Chiefs\nthink about it.\nK: Between you and me, not the majority of objections come from\nmilitary quarters.\nF: Very good briefing.\nK: I am optimistic. Very complex. It took a year to understand it\ninternally. Brezhnev was unusually forthcoming. No propaganda\nstatements.\nF: A newspaperman called\nMalik\nmentioned Geneva Conference.\nThat's a new term. Maybe they have had a change of heart.\nK: We have felt things might be breaking even in Vietnam. He made\none of his enigmatic statements but I am sure it was cleared.\nF: Gore, Cooper will be out of town this weekend. How does Tuesday\nsuit you?\nK: Another possibility is Wednesday. The President might go with the\nVietnam speech Tuesday. Oh, you can't do it Wednesday. Let's keep\nit for Tuesday for about 5:00. Look forward to seeing you.\nF: Good luck\nK: You may not believe this but your encouragement means a lot.\nF: I hope we have gotten things moving. By the way, very interesting\ntestimony Lundiborg (?) had of the Bank of America. Today this man\nSherman was very interesting\nfrom Chicago and Janeway.\nThey\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nFullbright/Kissinger\n4-16-70\n8:40 p.m.\n- 2 -\nwere saying inflation is undermining our economy. Gives you backing.\nK: As I told you last time at your house we are trying to set up\nnegotiations.\nF: Testimony of this kind will neutralize all out Viet Cong\n. This\ncomes from the business community. Unless I hear from you tomorrow\nI will start asking them.\nK: See you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nWheeler/Kissinger\n8:40 pm\n4/16/70\nK: We have one of our usual problems. I just had a bite with the President\nand he wants it done Monday morning.\nW: Thurs. night -- we ought to be able to do that.\nK: We are being told there is nothing there.\nW: I sent a message out tonight at the direction of the Secy. of Defense which\nasks Gen. Abrams for the installations dif th e things in question. We know\nwhere two of them are. There's another one floating. We will have that\ninformation tomorrow morning.\nK: Will you keep after it for us? I hate to put you in that position. He wants\nit done and coming out the same as last time.\nW: A little splashing around? We will have the reply tomorrow morning and\nwe will keep after it.\nK: If you could get that great strategist to a local (?) assignment, you would\nbe doing a lot of good.\nW: He is in my XIX hair too. I need to speak to my superior about that.\n? ? ? ? Distribution of messages, etc.\nK: It has come to my bosses attention too. Do you think we can get an\nexecute tomorrow?\nW: I think so. That's what I'm striving at. I asked Ab for 1300 Z -- 8:00\ntomorrow morning.\nK: I gave your boss until 10:00 tomorrow morning to come in with it.\nW: We will push it.\nK: We will miss you.\nW: I am not sure I will miss you -- excluding some of you, including you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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