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Phil Geylin/Kissinger
3:03 pm
4/17/70
G: I want a little general guidance because you don't want to get into a long
confersation on Cambodia.
K: What are your cautioning us against?
G:
Getting a little bit pregnant. I have been spening time in the Pentagon
and they don't know how to shoot and we are sending men to show them how.
We have been there before. I'm asking if you can give me guidance on
where that issue is going and at what rate. I don't see any stories of our
getting involved.
K: The question ofwfinding up the war in VN is what we want. We don't want
another war. On the other hand, we don't want to tell the NVN to march
on Penom Pehn and we will not stop you. You can be sure we are not
rushing an AID program into Cambodia.
G: How do we tell them?
K: By keeping ambiguity on what we are doing. We won't wind up the war
by excalating it.
G: The arguement you get from the Commandant of the Marine Corps is
to get the NVN $roops out of Cambodia.
K: We are obviously not moving in that direction (?).
Our major concern
is to have the Cambodian in a position to keep the NVN fxxxxxx moving on Penom
Penh from being anything then just a day's march. Our policy is not to
put Cambodia in a position to squeeze the sanctuaries.
G: Can you keep it from being a two day march?
K: After a
you cannot calibrate this without it slopping over.
G: The xtherxo cut off in my mind is advisors.
K: I haven't heard that idea proposed.
G: It has been.
K: There's no chance at least not now. Practically out of the question.
G: That's what I'm trying to ascertain. The problem gets a little compli-
cated along what's being given along the river over there.
K: There's no chance.
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