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TELCON Veep/Kissinger 11:35 p. ,m. 6/10/70 K: If I may make a personal comment, you asked the only intelligent question that was made at the meeting. V: I don't feel what ground I x x x should go into in unbidden but I did it anyway. K: It was a very serious question. V: The thing that Packard said about making a signal and not doing the un- warranted thing, has anyone thought about the Shah? 1 wondered if some sort of visit there or to Saudi Arabia at this particular time when we are forced into a heavily pro-Israeli stance. K: We will fixxxx wind up in a position where the Israwils will be beside themselves The Arabs will be contemptuous and the Soviet Union will be . It's not pro enough to convince them. V: What bothers me about the NSC meetings is Rogers. I have never heard such condescending of others views. He waves everyone's thoughts aside. K: That's because he has such experience in the field. V: xxxxxxx When you look at the di fficulties of internal security it will through the refinements of insurgency. I would believe the only thing that keeps Israel stable is a military . K: It's not in our interest to open the Persian Gulf for the Soviet fleet. V: Evenutally it will open and we will not be able to get a base out there. Maybe we should get that island. What's the name? K: Garcia. V: Maybe we should get that island while se can.

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