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Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential awarand returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES ND pursuant to Executive Order and been determined to be declassified. NA (1.85)\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nTekon\nHAK and Ernst Van der Beugel (3pp.)\n9/22/70\nD\nSANITIZED\n2\nTelcon\nHAK and Joseph Sisco C2 pp.)\n9/22/70\nB\n3\nTclcon\nHAK and Joseph Sisco L2 pp.)\n9/22/70\nB\n4\nTelcon\nHAK and Yitzhak Rabin (1p.)\n9/25/70\nB\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts - Telephone Conversations\n6\nFOLDER TITLE\n1970 22-25 Sept 9\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION DECLASSIFIED S.GPO; 1989-235-084/00024\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nTelecon\nDon Rumsfeld\n9/22/70 7:45 a.m.\nR: You looked busy.\nK: The trush is I had been up all the night before and honestly\nforgot about your call yesterday.\nR: I can understand that.\nK: My apologies.\nR: Not at all. I am fixing to go to San Francisco and what I had\nto talk to you about will hold. I'll give you a call after I get back\nThursday.\nK: It wasn't done flippantly.\nR: I know that. It's okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nCyrus Sulzberger/Kissinger\n9:25 a. m.\n9/22/70\nS: I know you have been busy. I wonder if there's any chance of seeing him?\nI am just checking.\nK: I haven't heard yet but I will try to get an anwer today.\nS: That's very kind. xXxxD Thank and good luck.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nVan der Beugal/Kissinger\n9:26 a.m.\n9/22/70\nV: How are you?\nK: Busy but fine.\nV: Good. We won't see each other this time.\nK: You can't come down?\nV: The arrangement with the house is that I am in NY. It's a safer feeling and\nI don't want to move around.\nK: Of course. Though you can be reached down here.\nV: But I have made the arrangement at home.\nK:\nV:\nSANITIZED\nK:\nV:\nK:\nV:\nK: I am worried about your being here. Last time it was the decision on Cambodia\nand now it's Jordan.\nV: If a I am helpful staying away, tell me. Is it bad?\nK: It looks better.\nV: Will Hussein hold?\nK: He has a chance.\nV: We have long\nthat that guy doesn't\n.\nK: That's true.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nVan der Beugal/Kissinger\n9:26 a. m.\n9/22/70\n-2-\nV: If that is the pinnacle of our hope, where are we going?\nK: It look S a little better and we have acted strongly.\nV: We are moving from a complete overestimation to a complete underestimation\nand now possibly to normalcy on this country.\nK: We have taken some strong actions in the last few weeks and the President\nisn't easy to be pushed off course. We have quieted down the VN outcry.\nV: It isn't even in the news. I always met a lot of political bastards here and\nit's striking how different the atmosphere is. It's a completely different atmos-\nphere. They don't love Washington but they see it more\nnow. In\nMay we had the feeling of a country falling apart but IXXXX no longer.\nK: After all, Cambodia has worked. VN is out of the news. Soft policies on the\nM.E. have been discredited.\nV: The only thing that is an absolute non-entity is Europe.\nK: We will turn to that after we are above water.\nV: I cannot give you any hopeful prediction about Europe. It's a parocchial\nnon-existing community. Led by dopes or operatbrs.\nK: How about the new British Government?\nV: I have great confidence in Heath but he is not on the map. Maybe that's his\nstyle. A man of enourmous integrity, brass takks and courage.\nK: Maybe just not a little.\nV: How is Nancy?\nK: Fine.\nV: And you are in good shape. You are coming to Europe with the President?\nK: If it comes off.\nV: That's only the South.\nK: Yes but London, October 3.\nV: That's a rush visit. I will be here in December and I will come down.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nVan der Beugal/Kissinger\n9:26 a.m.\n9/22/70\n-3-\nK: I have a great new office.\nV: I saw it when it was planned.\nK: It was decorated by a homosexual so it's good for a boudoir.\nV: You got my note on the Dutch thing?\nK: Yes.\nV: That's not until November. Miekwe sends her love.\nK: And I will try to send her a note.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nKay Graham/Kissinger\n10:00 a. m.\n9/22/70\nG: We missed you but I wasn't surprised.\nK: I get even with you in the most devious ways. Get even, I don't know for what.\nG: A desire to get even.\nK: Irwas the Syrians.\nG: I now.\nK: At 8:30 I was on the way out when the King panicked and then at 10:00, I\ntried to get out.\nG: Ken said when I said I couldn't cope with Sunday night, he said lets find\none person. You were number one, the Harris' were number 2, and Ted and\nJoan were number 3. Liz thought I wanted everyone and invited everyone but\nthe Kennedy's couldn't come because they were campaigning. But the Harris'\ncould come and you and David Brinkley was there.\nK: I am sorry.\nG: I am trying to relieve you even though you were missed.\nK: I haven't seen you in ages. I compained to your daughter the other day.\nG: You shouldn't give it a moments thought.\nK: I wanted to tell you, you are one of my favorite people and Ken I adore.\nBeneath that tough surface cynicism, he is a mushhead.\nG: I have known him for years but just got to know him this summer.\nK: He is a terribly good friend. Has he gone back to Cambridge?\nG: No, England, will be back and then on to Switzerland. I think\nis ghastly. That's a Barbara Howerism but it's true. It's really awful.\nK: If you don't quote me, I agree. We are getting slowly on top of it.\nG: Are you really? One over for lunch once in a while. Should I invite you\nsometime?\nK: I will probably stop off in Paris to get caught up on the negotiations so I will\nbe leaving this weekend. G: So this week is out. Let's have a cozy evening when\nyou get back. Dinner parties are for the birds and 4 or $ are nice. Have a good\ntrip.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n10:35 m.\n9/22/70\nK: You were a great soldier at these meetings. On the little things you fight like\na maniac but xyxx on the big things you are always there.\nseth\nL: I wanxthat package over on the supplemental.\nK: I haven't seen it yet.\nL: A draft decision memo and statement to Congress.\nK: I will dig it out. We have been preoccupied.\nL: State wants to work out a military assistance package now. It's okay to meet\nwith them, isn't it.\nK: Alex says you are no longer interested in a supplemental. He must have\nmisunderstood.\nL: That's not true.\nK: May I send someone?\nL: Sure. It's XXX all in that package. Look at it if you have a chance. I know\nyou have a taxk lot to look at.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:55 a.m.\n9/22/70\nR: I notice you are going to Paris to talk to Habib and Bruce.\nK: I just thought I would go a day early. No significante.\nR: I would appreciate X if you would let me know before you get in touch with my\npeople.\nK: The President mentioned it and thought since I hadn't had a chance -- he knew.\nR: You should let me know.\nK: I thought it would go through Sullivan.\nR: I mean it comes to me after Bruce and Habib know about it. Are you doing\nanything about stopping Ky's visit?\nK: I won't see him or talk to him. Only see Bruce and Habib.\nR: xItisthex What's the President's position on Ky?\nK: He wants to keep him away.\nR: We have done what we can.\nK: I understand there's a guy close to Mclintyre who urged him strongly not to\ncome. Haldeman has handled this.\nR: We have done a lot. We couldxix.six insist he not come. That would be a\nproblem. It's becoming a la problem.\nK: I think we have done what we can.\nR: I will talk with the President.\nK: I have no intention of seeing Ky or anyone else. I thought this was a routine\nmatter that would come to your attention. Haig tells me we called someone in the\nSecretariet and let you know. We didn't think it important enough to talk to you\ndirectly.\nR: I will find out who he talked to. They attributed it to the Ky visit.\nK: I will see no one except Bruce and Habib. It was the sort Like of thing that\nthe President said see those guys and get a sense of them. xbet Sullivan did it\nwhen he went to Asia.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:55 a.m.\n9/22/70\n-2-\nR: I think the sense of the team is the same. I think Bunker's conversation\nwith Thieu is encouraging.\nK: It will show we are working at it when he makes the statement.\nR: We haven't gotten an answer from the Israelis but I think they will act.\nK: If it stabilizes we will not be that anxious.\nR: If it stabalizes we should caution them to wait. If Hussein could pull it\noff it would be a hell of a thing. They are right up there.\nK: From intelligence reports they are moving where they said they wouldn;t.\nR: And with our support they can use that. After our meeting we should discuss\nthat. It will be 6:00 there and they won't do it that late. Xxex We haven't heard\nfrom the King. We should because we don't want to do something against his\nwishes.\nK: If they go through Syrai we won't have that problem but a different one.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nJoe Alsop\n9/22/70 11:15 a. m.\nA: I need a few minutes of your time. Could you fit me in\ntomorrow morning or late this afternoon?\nK: I'll try.\nA: I know it's tough. You were advertised as such in this\nweek's New Republic by Mr. Osborne.\nK: Complainingly?\nA: No. But do you think you could see me?\nK: This is a rough time.\nA: I know. If Hussein loses, the Israelis will end by invading\nJordan.\nK: No question. They may invade without Hussein losing.\nA: To help save him.\nK: At any rate, we've come out of our period of torpor.\nA: We can't go on being torpid when somebody sticks a large\npin in our rear.\nK: It's been known to happen.\nA: How about 6:30 this evening?\nK: Let me call you later. I just have to be sure.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n11:33 xx a.m. 9/22/70\nS: I don't want you to undermine my staff. You are passing out toomany\ncompliments.\nK: Do you think the Israelis will attack without coming back to us?\nS: I don't think so without answering number 2. Do you think I should call\nRabin and say I assume nothing will happen before hearing from you. I thought\nof this an hour ago.\nK: It's better if you do it than I. If you have any quesitons --\nS: Before any buttons are pushed, you will be back in touch with us. That sort\nof thing.\nK: You will be in touch again with me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n9/22/70 3:20 p.m.\nR: I would appreciate it if in the morning on this German question\nyou would call on Hillenbrand. He is very knowledgable and has just\ncome back from there. I don't think there's an intelligence question invelved\nhere.\nK: Okay. The President wanted originally to spend an hour on that\nand half an hour on Jordan. But I see no sense in talkinb about Jordan now.\nR: No, I think it is a good idea to have a meeting just for him to hear\nit first-hand, but there is nothing much for him to decide.\nK: That was the purpose of it--to lay out the issues.\nR: Okay. I will tell Marty.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Freeman/Kissinger\n3:22 p.m.\n9/22/70\nK: Two things -- the President will see Home at noon tomorrow. What he\nsaid was it was to be him, Home and myself. Let me check aobut you.\nF: Fine. Whatever you say.\nK: I will check on that. I think he meant no other Americans. I will let you\nknow.\nF: Do we come to your NW door?\nK: yes. He is suggesting a dinner for Mountbatten for Nov. 5.\nF: That's generous. I will pass that on. I will probablysee you tomorrow.\nK: You will come along in any event.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Sullivan/Kissinger\n3:30 p.m.\n9/22/70\nK: The jungle looks good after the desert.\nS: I see you are taking a weekend in Paris.\nK: It will never take place.\nS: You don't think so? I am interested about Ky.\nK: The Secy. brought that up. I told him I have no intention of seeing him.\nS: I wanted you to see him. I don't see how you can be there and not see him.\nK: Tell your Secy. I would like a call from him without a needle. I will see\nKy if it serves a useful purpose. I am going because I wanted to see the delegatior\noutside the President's office and I find ? ? ? ? ?\nS: Habib called. Bui Diem will be going on the 25tth to persuade Ky not to come.\nThey will know when you are in Paris whether he has been persuaded not to come.\nPhil X feels with you there that you would have to see Ky.\nK: The Secy. had no strong views.\nS: There was a cable saying we need to send a special emissary to Paris to tell\nKy not to come and I guess they put two and two together.\nK: See the XDxex Secy. Tell him you think I should call on Ky. I am delighted to\ndo it. I will talk take Habib along.\nS: Habib will give you his feeling based on Bui Diem. We must let Bui Diem\nknow you are there.\nK: You and I have no problems.\nS: I have really been scratching my head on how to work on what could be a\ndisaster if Ky comes. At a certain point we could offer an official visit in late\nNovember. I asked the Secy. to check on that and see if the President agrees.\nK: The answer is yes.\nS: We could hold that out. I thought you might be in a position to do that in Paris.\nThe other thing if this thing is really riotous we could lift the permit for the\nrally.\nK: That's strong.\nS: Consider the bipartisan support.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSullivan/Kissinger\n3:30 p.m.\n9/22/70\n-2-\nK: But we have never done that for a peace-nik group so we shouldn't do it\nto a pro-war group. If you want me to see Ky --\nS: Phil will give you the latest on that after he sees Bui Diem. On the cablesx\nwe have, I think it's very good on the first go round. There's some question\nin the cables and it's premature to answer before we know the timing. I wonder\nif I could give Bunker back a little. What we have in mind is a cease-fire.\nK: I will call you back.\nS: I will give you a draft.\nK: And I will respond to it.\nS: On timing, do you have any clues?\nK: Within a week of our return.\nS: That will raise a question of Long Nol and Souvanna.\nK: Maybe we should do it during the week we are gone.\nS: That's what I thought. Both Lon Nol and Souvanna have been very good about\nkeeping it to themselves.\nK: Let's think about doing that on the 1st.\nS: Symser's your man?\nK: Abosutely.\nS: I will send over a draft with skec sketchy answers. Nothing definitive, just\nsome ideas.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n5:11 p.m.\n9/22/70\nS: Tomorrow I have been asked to brief the Senate Foreign Relations and\nI want to be sure I dioln't miss anything in the meeting today. Was there any\nquestion with the President and the Leadership if there was a request from\nJordan for us to interfere.\nK: The President didn't address that and he said we willx are considering\nit in the evacuation context only.\nS: That's very helpful.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nU. Alexis Johnson\n9/22/70; 6:40 p.m.\nK: I know I have ruined your day the President has tied me up.\nJ: No, Henry, I understand.\nK: What I wanted to ask you is there any sense in having a pre-NSC\nmeeting on this.\nNo.\nJ: /I had a talk with Tommy on this. I know what he thinks about it his\nviews are damn hard to understand. His first thought was possibly a\nKosygin letter but this opens it up for replies on our bases abroad, etc.\nThe thing I come down to is a private talk when Gromyko comes here.\nRogers can take this up with Gromyko this is an area we have kept\nout of we thought that since 1962 we were agreed we were not going\nto let this thing come up again. They can talk about the emotional problem\nhere in the U. S. and what it all means and what they are going to do about\nit.\nK: Okay.\nJ: That type of thing. If Gromyko doesn't show up, that's another thing.\nI was rocked by paper that Tom's people produced.\nK: You mean about things we should do.\nJ: SALT and Czechoslovakia, etc.\nK: I saw it and consider the first three pages irrelevant.\nJ: Here is Tommy's view. He says Soviets are 15 years behind us. They\nare trying hard to catch up. We are the model of the big power. They are\nnow doing things we did 15 years ago overseas bases, getting their\nsubmarines built, etc. -- trying to catch up with us. They want to be\na first class power like us. Great deal of Russian inferiority complex\ninvolved here. The thing he has a hard time explaining is what is going\non in Egypt. But I believe and strongly feel that the private approach\nat this time is the thing to take seriously and it would not open us into\nthe problem of getting into correspondence at this stage. I want to talk\nto Dave and Tom about this that these barges are associated with\nsubmarines. We want to be absolutely solid on our facts. I am not\nquestioning this, but I want to be sure on this.\nK: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nU. Alexis Johnson\n9/22/70; 6:40 p.m.\n-2-\nJ: Those are about the only thoughts. I called Dave and said I was\na little surprised about this paper which represented quite a different\npoint of view -- obviously a joint staff thing.\nK: That talk about Kosygin -- we made no secret of fact that he would\nbe welcome. That they are making a crash program of building a base\nin the area, I think is provocative.\nJ: One thing is to get a better negotiating position on these in SALT.\nThis is an obvious way of doing it. New Subject: I sent a message to\nEd Korry over. I cleared it out with Dave Packard and Tom Karamessines\nand it is ready to go as far as I am concerned -- all it needs is a phone\ncall.\nK: Okay, I will get to it. I am sure if everyone has approved it, I will.\nMaybe one way of handling this is to have WSAG meeting at 8:00 a.m.\nto catch up on Jordanian situation and then the principals can stay\ntogether to talk about Cuba for a few minutes.\nJ: Okay, I will plan on that.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nAttorney General Mitchell\n9/22/70; 7:00 p.m.\nK: My maniacal friend.\nM: All hell was raised at Congressional about Ky coming over and the\nPresident said I should talk to Henry and see if you can get that turned\noff.\nK: The situation is well in hand. I mean we have done what we can.\nM: Was that for the benefit of the Congressmen? I am sure he knows\nwhat has gone on.\nK: I guess he thinks you are the only man who can frighten me. Actually,\nI thought what you said was flattering except for the first word.\nM: Let me tell you now that I have you on the phone I don't know\nthat woman somebody asked me if I thought you would be leaving\nWashington. I said hell no you were the President's closest adviser\nand in pure humor he has quite a life with all the motion picture\nactresses, etc and I am sure he would not want to miss that.\nK: Now you say it's my position not my charm that's getting them --\nnow you have done it! Look I am aware of the Ky problem. There is\na chance I will be in Paris on Saturday. If I talk to Ky, he will not\ncome.\nM: Let me tell you this will really be one of the biggest confrontations\nwe have had here. This could be a disaster. This is what the Senators\nwere worried about. Vietnam has been put on the back burner that it\nis not even an issue now.\nK: I don't know if we will turn it off.\nM: Just refuse the son-of-a-bitch admission. I think word has to get\nout quickly.\nK: The word got to him. If I can go to Paris, believe me, he is not\ncoming.\nM: It is also important that we get the word out quickly so that we don't\nhave all the kooks coming to Washington for this. This is really appealing\nto the kooks. Anything I can do?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nAttorney General\n9/22/70; 7:00 p.m.\n- 2 -\nK: No, we are handling it -- I mean I don't know if we are handling\nit. But call Bill if you want, it can't do any harm.\nM: But will he have guts enough to.\nK: I will take care of it.\nM: Do you or don't you want me to call Bill? Okay, let me register\na protest.\nK: It can't do any harm.\nM: Please keep your eye on the public announcement aspect of it.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJoe Sisco/Mr. Kissinger\n7:15 p.m., September 22, 1970\nS:\nWe have just gotten the Israelis response.\nK:\nThey sent a copy here too.\nS:\nThey are faster than I thought.\nK:\nI haven't seen it yet, just trying to save you reading it to me.\nS:\nMay I read it to you anyway and let you hear my sultry voice?\nK:\nCould I call you back in 10 minutes, I've got some people here\nwho I'm trying to get started on a paper.\nS:\nI am trying to do the same thing myself.\nK:\nAll right, go ahead.\nS:\nWhat the paper says in two sentences is that they would intend\nto act by air but if the situation requires, also on the ground. If\nthe air action doesn't lead to Syrian withdrawal, air and ground\nwould be against Syrian forces on the ground. Meeting with the\nKing\nK:\nwith the Jordanians\nS:\nto coordinate as soon as possible. With regard to the containment\nof Soviet intervention in question three, we want you to confirm to\nus our interpretation to our position with reference to our answer\nunderstand intervention to mean Soviet actions and measures against\nthem including the Suez Canal front and the sea. Moreover, would\nnot be restricted to time of operations undertaken with reference\nto the Jordan-Syrian situation, bearing in mind the possibility that\nSoviet reaction may be a delayed reaction.\nK:\nForceful enough.\nS:\nSome relevance to the timeframe. Goes on to say, with regard to\nequipment, the operation may lead to resumption of hostilities in\nthe Suez Canal in addition to the Syrian and Jordanian fronts. We\nshall therefore want to approach you on a number of concrete items\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nPer Hr. 7-3-2014\nBy RS/MIH NARA, Date 4-25-2014\nNLN 08-01/10681 [p.10+2]\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJoe Sisco/Mr. Kissinger\nPage 2 -- 7:15 p.m., September 22, 1970\nof equipment and expect to get better treatment than we have.\nThey also intend to send a message to the King through you.\nMy instinct is to propose that we would\ntake a little\n???? on this tonight. No such answer should go tonight -- you\nand the others should discuss this very carefully in light of the\nsituation that exists. Just call the Secretary on the essence of\nthis ??? feeling that we should consider this very carefully.\nK:\nHold on a second --\nS:\nNow, got a little dilemma. The NSC meeting on Jordan tomorrow\n?????\nK:\nNo, no.\nS:\nI am supposed to go to the Senate Foreign Relations.\nK:\nBureaucracy is trying to inundate everybody. NSC was on Germany\nbut the President is now going to use it for the issue of preparing\nan answer. I just ted told him that an answer had come in. ??\nCan't you delay your appearance with the Foreign Relations. Call\nthe Secretary and see.\nS:\nIf I can't get out of this Senate Foreign Relations Committee ????\n9:30 is awfully early - - there should be some preliminary discussion\nbefore going into a big NSC meeting.\nK:\nIt is not a big NSC meeting, it is the same group that met before.\nJust calling it an NSC. ???\nS:\n???? a suggested reply.\nK:\nYou and I have to be in touch on that.\nS:\nDiscuss what should be drafted and coordinate it then.\nK:\nI will have a word with the Secretary.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive DECLASSIFIED Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nSecretary Rogers\n9/22/70; 7:20 p.m.\nK: I have not had a chance to study the text of this reply and we\njust told the President that there has been a reply and I thought that\nwe should meet on it tomorrow rather than try to fire one off tonight.\nHe wanted to use the 9:30 - 10:30 period. He thinks the German issue\ninteresting but not crucial right now so I just wanted to let you know\nand we will confine it to the same group that has been meeting.\nR: Will you have someone let Ted Eliot know. That other matter,\nare we going to discuss that, too?\nK: Yes. I was to check with everybody to see whether there was\nanything else to be discussed. There is nothing we need to do tonight.\nR: Right. Let's all try to get a night's sleep. Poor Joe, he is groggy.\nOkay, we'll see you in the morning at 9:30.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sisco/Mr. Kissinger\n7:30 p.m., September 22, 1970\nS:\nYou and the Secretary will talk on this and draft a reply.\nK:\nFor your and my information, it would help if you and I could\nagree informally.\nS:\nI am going home to eat something, why don't you give me a call.\nK:\nIf I had as pretty a wife as you have, I would do the same.\nS:\nI can see that you say this feelingly.\nK:\nIf you are good to me, I will take care of you on the West Coast.\nS:\nGive me a call when you are free and we can talk orally.\nK:\nGoing to\n*************************\nthe UAR Embassy tonight.\nS:\nYou go there and you are off my list.\nK:\nI thought that would throw\noff.\nS:\nStay home. I will see about getting the Senate Relations thing cancelled -- -\neither that or send Roger Davies.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nSecretary Packard\n9/22/70; 7:50 p. m.\nK: We have been trying to get an assistance package together for\nIsrael in case it has to move. We are going through the same song\nand dance that always happens.\nP: Look, I have one on my desk that is okay with me.\nK: The Israelis called today and said all he said he could discuss was\nadditional my ammunition. We need two packages: one for the northern\nfront and one for the southern front. Not to be delivered but to be\nready in case circumstances require it.\nP: I have one on my desk but I don't know if it is adequate. I will get\non it.\nK: We need a package for the southern area and a package for the\nnorthern with the clear understanding that these are on a contingency\nbasis. He does not have to tell the Israelis what we are going to do.\nWe have to know what we can do. He was supposed to straighten it\nout with their military attache but he told them he could not discuss\nit. If you are satisfied that we have a package for both contingencies,\nthat's fine.\nP: Okay.\nK: Okay.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nAmb. Rabin\n9/22/70; 8:50 p.m.\nK: At a reception at an Embassy I ran into John Chancellor who said that\nValeriano had been told by an Israeli official that joint planning was going\non for an Israeli attack.\nR: Total NXXXXXX nonsense. I don't believe that any Israeli said so. I\nwill tell you what happened. In Israel it appeared on some papers that the\nGovernment of Israel has no intentions to take the chestnut out of the fire\nfor the Americans.\nK: Just make sure that none of your people.\nR: I had an opportunity to talk to John Chancellor because he attended the\nluncheon for the Prime Minister and I don't believe that anybody said so.\nK: He said it was said to Valeriano.\nR: I don't believe anyone said that. I know exactly what I said and what I\nI instructed everyone to say. I can check it because our spokesman is here.\nK: Don't bother. I take yourword for it.\nR: The whole problem came about with the news that Israel is not going to\ndo anything. This is what happened in our newspapers. We had a lot of\nquestions why Israel is waiting. Why they are not doing anything that's\n90% of the questions. May I ask you another thing? When do you believe\nyou will be in a position to tell me something?\nK: Before noon tomorrow. I know what the President is going to decide but\nwe want to do it with the others.\nR: It is very interesting because my own Ambassador (?) is after me.\nK: I ran into the Soviet Charge at this Embassy reception and they seem to\nbe extremely nervous.\nR: He phoned my Ambassador at least ten times. I am sure it is not true\nwhat Chancellor told you and the problems we have had today since all the\nnewspapers in Israel came out that Israel is not going to do anything we\nare getting a lot of questions Why Israel sits idle and doesn't react.\nK: Okay.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sisco/Mr. Kissinger\n9:50 p.m., September 22, 1970\nK:\n-- possibility of a reply.\nS:\nWhat's your thoughts?\nK:\nI asked you first.\nS:\nI think that we ought to go back in the course of tomorrow and\nfirst we ought to make a judgment that we give to them -- before\nI say what we say, let me tell you what the problem is. The\nJordanian point of view and from our point of view, we are trying\nto get the king to do this by himself. If not by himself, in order\nfor the Israeli's to be responsive in order to be helpful to the King\nand yet with the least possible adverse repercussions to this. If\nthe situation warrants our presence, will be nothing there on\ndown but the Israelis or if they need help from the Jordanian point\nof view, minimal air strikes as a way to help Hussein do the job\nhimself. Now from the Israeli point of view, Israelis getting the\nSyrians out and if need be hold on to a certain chunck of territory\nfor a certain period of time as the best way to assure\nagainst Israel/Iraq\n.\nThe Jordanians are thinking much\nmore in terms of an Israeli strike in areas. The Israelis are\nthinking much more in terms ??? as a way of achieving the\nwithdrawal of forces. I have overstated both positions for obvious\nreasons for purposes of clarifying our own thinking. ??? have\nsaid that looking at the situation tomorrow morning and if we ???\nto the Jordanians. We should continue the dialogue with the\nIsraelis.\nK:\nHow do you continue the dialogue?\nS:\nAnswer their questions, keep the option and try to facilitate a get\ntogether between the Israelis and the Jordanians. We agree in\nprinciples but we ought to know before they go and we ought to\nknow [the results]. Ought to be responsive to the Jordanian request.\nK:\nHow much more clear can they be than air request?\nS:\nRead the Annenberg cable about Hussein's complaint about the\nfedayeen.\nK:\nIt is conceivable\nS:\nIt is conceivable but not certain. Are you sure in your own mind\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nPer Hr. 7-3-2014\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nBy R/WIH NARA, Date 1-25-2016\nDECLASSIFIED\nNLIU 08-01/1068: [p.l of\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJoe Sisco/Mr. Kissinger\n9:50 p.m., September 22, 1970 -- page 2\nK:\nI am sure in my own mind that we are going one way or the other.\nHussein is going to collapse.\nS:\nI don't at the moment think the facts sustain that.\nK:\nI am not talking about tomorrow, how are you going to keep the\nIsraelis in play by answering their questions?\nS:\nI am not quarrelling with that.\nK:\nYou can't give it to them carte blanche.\nS:\nThey ought to go to them but then say before you do, we want to\nbe consulted. Don't suggest that you don't answer their questions.\nIf you don't respond positively in principle, you lose your option.\nK:\nHow do we answer their questions?\nS:\nDon't know. Got this paper and want to reflect on it. Think we say\nthe Jordanians are obviously trying to do this job by their own means.\nVery anxious to have the two of you to get together because both of\nyou obviously feel there has got to be coordination and think one of\ntwo ways the Jordanians indicate that the grounds ??? The Israelis\nare ready to go or give a yes boxthe and pass along that contact\nbetween the two regardless of what the discussions are, we want an\nopportunity to consult before the final move is made.\nK:\nWhat did you say, either want an opportunity to consult or the other\ncome\nS:\nIf we go along, we then ought to send a message to the Jordanians,\nmake the\nresponse and let them send the message to\nindicate to the Jordanians what we are prepared to do and if we\nsay this is what we are prepared to do, we would still say to the\nIsraelis, after you talk to the Jordanians, we would still want you\nto come back and talk to us. I may have some further thoughts\nas I reflect on this tonight. Frankly, I haven't consulted anyone.\nK:\nI have scheduled a WSAG for 8:00 in the morning just to bring\nourselves up-to-date.\nS:\nOkay Henry, see you in the morning.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified of\nTelecon\nAmb. Rabin\n9/22/70 p.m.\nR: I got a response from the government and would like to come\nas soon as possible.\nK: How long will it take you to get here?\nR: 15 minutes.\nK: Okay. I have to see the President, but you just wait for me.\nR: I think it's a matter of principle. We are ready\nbut\nanother operation tofollow it up. I think I have to explain it in detail to\nyou. Where should I come?\nK: The Map Room.\nR: And Young will be there?\nK: Yes.\nReproduced at, the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nBrian McDonnell\n(215/IV3-2711)\n9/23/70 8:10 a. m.\nK: When I have been able to reach you you've been unavailable\nand now I have to go to a meeting. How long will you be there?\nM: Until 2:00.\nK: I will do my damnedest to call you before then.\nM: I am thinking about coming down tonight, seeing you tomorrow\nmorning and coming right back. I don't want you to go over there till\nI see you.\nK: Over where?\nM: Are you going with the President?\nK: Yes.\nM: That's what I thought. That's why I want to come down.\nK: Let me call you later today. If you are leaving there, call my\noffice and let them know.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Freeman/Kissinger\n9:30 a.m.\n9/23/70\nK: On the meeting with the Foreign Secy. the President would prefer to do\nit alone. It has nothing to do with you.\nF: I don't take umbrage at all.\nK: The difference You between the British and American foreign service is not\nunderstood here. x could let Home come by himself.\nF: That might be best. It will be clearly understood that Foreign Secy. will\ngo in alone.\nK: We have highest regard for you.\nF: You will have to leave it up to me to work out how I get him there but I will\nsee that he meets with the President alone.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nV.P./Kissinger\n11:15 a. m.\n9/23/70\nVP: I am going to do a TV interview and I need guidance on what I can respond\nto on the M.E.\nK: I would be very enigmatic. We are making contingency plans. We are\nmaking plans for all eventjalities.\nVP: Not profitable to discuss them. How many American nationals in\nJordan?\nK: 200-300. There are 80 official Americans and remainder are married to\nJordanians.\nVP: How many hostages?\nK: 47. Be enigmatic.\nVP: I will be that X without question. For my own information --\nK: We have made no decision to intervene and we are not eager to do it. We\nnow hear the Syrians are pulling out.\nVP: k Any movement of Israelis?\nK: Mobilizing but not moving yet. They usually move after they mobilize\nand so they probably will but no one else agrees with me so don't nail yourself\nto that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n11:21 a. m.\n9/23/70\nK; When can we see a draft?\nS: I just dictated a draft. I will skexix want to go over it myself and see the\nSecy. I think within an hour.\nK: OK. I am wondering if I should call that group together.\nS: The Secy. has just called me. It's 11:30. If at 2:00 or something.\nK: I will be back to you.\nS: I can judge better after seeing the Secy.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBrian McDonnell/Kissinger\n1:45 p.m.\n9/23/70\nK: This is a rough time for us to get together. I am sorry I have been so hard to\nreach.\nM: Is the Jordan peace for real?\nK: It's too early to tell.\nM: Problem of your going. Unless you know some information on what Henry\nKissinger means over there to some people. I am your friend, I am not threatening\nyou.\nK: Physical danger?\nM: No. From our own. Henry is not liked over there by some people.\nK: Where?\nM: Egypt.\nK: I'm not going there.\nM: I mean our people. I am thinking of taking a night train down there and seeing\nyou for 10 minutes.\nK: You are a good friend and I appreciate this Who is it?\nM: Could I come down?\nK: Of course.\nM: It's not physical or assasination. I want you to know. You can avoid it by\nknowing before you go. Just don't want you to be hoodwinked.\nK: Can you fly down?\nM: Can't afford it.\nK: Can I pay?\nM: If it's your money, sure.\nK: Of course it's my money. Why put you X up all night.\nM: Because we are freinds.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBrian McDonnell/Kissinger\n1:45 p.m.\n9/23/70\n-2-\nK: You are really a good friend. I could see you today about 7:30.\nM: That's not good. I need to see Alice before I can come down.\nK: How about first thing in the morning? 7:45 in my office. Unless you will be\nembarrassed.\nM: No.\nK: I don't know what your information is --\nM: I think it's necessary that I let you know before you leave.\nK: May I have Winston sit in? Do you want to make it earlier? 7:30?\nwill\nM: Very good. How do I get in? I will stay with people yxx who XXX not know why\nI am texx there.\nK: Then I can't pick you up. I will have Win pick you up. Anyway, come to the\nNW gate.\nM: What's Win's last name? I forget it.\nK: Lord.\nM: I will call him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBelieu/Kissinger\nafternoon\n9 23/70\nB: Stennis just called and his is calling you. How much limitation on Israel? I said\nyou will divulge just as much information by saying the amount of money as you would\nby telling the number of troops.\nK: I wouldn't say anything. No ifs. You will let the air out of the balloon. Tell\nhim not to put a limit on it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSir Alec-Douglas Home\n9/23/70 2:45 p.m.\nH: What can I do for you?\nK: Our channels work in more complicated says than yours ap-\nparently. I wanted you to understand that part of the discussion you\nare going to confine to the Prime Minister; some of the communica=\ntions you received have never been seen beside in this building, not\nin other parts of our bureaucracy. Therefore there should be no\nreference made to it to anyone but the President.\nH: I understand. Thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Stennis/Kissinger\n2:47 p.m.\n9/23/70\nK: I am sorry I have been so hard to get to.\nS: We garrex have this Israeli amendment. It's acceptable to me, of course. The\nquestions is whether or not to put a ceiling on it.\nK: Our objective on this is --\nS: I want that in a confidential way.\nK: We would prefer no cxedix ceiling because it will be understood as actual aid.\nThe Arabs will be\nand the Soviets could use it. If it's low it might be\nmisunderstood as less commitment. We prefer that no ceiling be put on it.\nS: That's fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n3:20 p.m.\n9/23/70\nI\nL: I have been in touch with that conference over there. I don't want you to panic\non it. Between the House and Senate on Defense Authorization Bill.\nK: I won't panic.\nL: I hear they are cutting back. I have talked to Stennis and Rivers.\nK: We shouldn't have a X ceiling.\nL: Rivers wants a ceiling but I think I have got him.\nK: I xlonxx told him that a high ceiling is counter-productive and a low ceiling\nL: Of course. I don't want you to panic. Belieu was concerned.\nK: I checked with the President and he said he would handle it.\nL: I talked to Stennis and Rivers. They are meeting now. We got that language\non Fulbright amendment knocked out. And Brookes'. We added $425 million for\nships.\nK: Rivers is a fact of life.\nL: We will have to get a few financed now.\nK: I take your judgment is that this other thing will go public.\nL: Yeah.\nK: We can't sit on it.\nL: It will sooner or later get out. The Soviets should have a message from us before\nit goes public.\nK: That's what we are working on in the next day or so.\nL: I have to cancel out on a couple of speeches. Eric Severeid has this on going\nto Greece and Turkey but it's not been announced.\nK: I have told them a hundred times. I will check on it.\nL: I think the WH should announce it.\nK: As part of the trip.\nL: Monday morning if I see the Defense Minister\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n3:20 p.m.\n9/23/70\n-2-\nK: That's the best thing to do. An advisor's meeting with the Italians is worse\nthan an American Cabinet meeting.\nL: Any objection if I visited a friend, the King of Greece?\nK: I wouldn't do that with the President there.\nL: We still recognize him.\nK: I think it's bad on a foreign policy point of view.\nL: I understand. I will turn it off.\nK: If you will see the Defense Minister, that will be b good.\nL: It's better than sitting in that meeting.\nK: They will just be standing around.\nL: I can work on the Defense Ministers meeting in Europe. If itxx there's anything\nelse, so I can cancel out that speech in San Francisco.\nK: I will check on it right away.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n4:00 p.m.\n9/23/70\nP: Tomorrow did they tell you to come to a breakfast? We are having breakfast\nfor the 90 and 91st session -- young Republicans. I thought you might want to talk\nfor a 20 minute shot. Cover whatever will impress them. Brag a little about Cam-\nbodia and this is a pretty good thing today if it holds until tomorrow.\nK: Incidentally, Rabin's view was that in the orderof\nour measures, the\ndispatach of the plane to Tel Aviv, the plane to pick up target information Q\nyou remember, we flew it so there was a pick up -- and their moves and lastly,\nas a result, the Soviet reaction.\nP: They were reacting to these things. So the Soviets restrained their people.\nWe can't gloat. In the morning -- how should we handle it?\nK: Cald analysis of what's happened. I wouldn't let the air out of the balloon\nyet.\nP: Hopefully development but we are still on the alert.\nK: If it remains its the beginning of the end of the crisis.\nP: Sounds good.\nK: I think that we are over the hump of this one.\nP: Be sure to tell Joe the casualties are down this week. It's interesting the\nVN and Cambodia have been out of the paper for the last 10 days.\nK: Will help us also in things that will come up in the next few months.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n4:13 p.m.\n9/23/70\nK: I just wanted to tell you what I told the President 5 mins. ago. We think we have\nbroken the back of this crisis. I told him that you, Packard and Moorer really\npulled their weight. You are heart really great patriots. When the chips were down you\nreally delivered. Pranger/wasn't in it but he dexk delivered like a great man.\nI have needled him from time to time and I wish you would get word to him that he\nis a tower of strength. And Dave. And you.\nL: Thanks.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nHugh Sidey\n9/23/70 4:32 p.m.\nS: Have you got the world steadied there?\nK: Absolutely.\nS: Carl Rowan saw you yesterday with a beautiful girl in the\nSans Souci so I knew things were under control.\nK: I always take a beautiful girl to lunch during a crisis.\nS: I'm for it - too many decisions are made under stress and\nfatigue.\nK: About your letter - I talked to the President. Ziegler will be\ncalling you eventually, but here are the President's views. If you are\nsure to use a cover he'll agree to let me do it. But if you are not, I\nam then just giving you an exclusive backgrounder and he won't let\nme.\nS: That presents a problem; what if the situation changes? How\ndoes this differ from any talking with me? Or are you turning every-\none off this week.\nK: I'm turning everyone off this week. I have no interest in\nthis one wayax or another. But just be thinking about this. Ziegler\nwill be calling you; don't tell him that I called you.\nS: No, I won't.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nJohn Kenneth Galbraith\n9/23/70 5:05 p.m.\nK: I wanted to tell you how distressed I was at missing seeing\nyou Sunday. But the Syrians chose that moment to invade Jordan.\nG: We figured you were staying rather busy. But I think you are doing\njust right.\nK: It looks like we are beginning to break the back of it. It's not\nabsolutely clear, but it's the best it's looked.\nG: If your distinguished predecessors were still in office, we'd\nbe in there. I can only praise your restraint and that of the President,\nand if necessary I will say so.\nK: We always appreciate your saying so. But I would like to\nsee you. I hear you are going to Europe. For how long?\nG: Yes. I'm going to teach two terms at Cambridge. I'm giving\nthe English the benefit of the new industrial state.\nK: A week from today?\nG: Yes.\nK: I may be in London a week from Sunday. Will you be there?\nG: Yes, at the Ritz.\nK: I may go to London for an evening. I would like to see you.\nG: I have to do a thing Sunday evening for the BBC.\nK: But we could have a drink.\nG: Except for that I will keep everything in the clear. I will be at\nthe Ritz from Friday morning on. It will do you good to get away and\nwould improve your image with the Socialists.\nK: I would love to see you.\nG: This was a marvelous example of the virtues of knowing what\nnot to do. I have nothing but admiration.\nK: I appreciate enormously what your friendship has meant to me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nJohn Kenneth Galbraith\n9/23/70 5:05 þ.m. page 2\nG: This just shows what good sense accomplishes.\nK: Thank you. You will be at the Ritz from Friday morning on?\nG: Yes.\nK: I really hope to see you. I hope to break away Sunday noon\nand come back XX to London. I will spend Sunday night and Monday\nmorning in London.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nPhil Potter - Baltimore Sun\n9/23/70 5:30 p.m.\nP: Is there any chance of getting over to see you?\nK: No.\nP: What I wanted to ask today was, the word out of State is some-\nwhat ambiguous with regard to the withdrawing of Syrian tanks.\nK: That's correct. We have some indications that they might be\nwithdrawing, but we want to look at it more carefully.\nP: Did you by any chance see Sherman's piece in the Star today?\nK: What does it say?\nP: It says something to the effect that you were assured by the\nsecond man in the Soviet Embassy last night that when they said no\nforeign intervention they explicitly told you Syria was included in that.\nK: Where? At the SavietxExa UAR Embassy?\nP: Yes.\nK: Well, he sort of suggested that they were using their influence\nto get the Syrians\nwell, he was a little ambiguous, either to with-\ndraw or not to advance or whatever. You know the Middle East.\nP: Yes.\nK: Therefore, it is just too premature to draw any conclusions.\nIf the Syrian tanks have withdrawn some of the air is out of the tension\nand with some of the air out of it the tension will have been reduced.\nWe have some reports that Syrian tanks are withdrawing, but Sunday\nnight we had a report they had withdrawn across the border and before\nwe knew it they were back that night. This time, if they have withdrawn\nit is unlikely that they will come back. But it is unwise to throw our\nhats in the air yet. I am telling you exactly what we in the White House\nthink. If at this time tomorrow the Syrian tanks are out we'll be a little\nmore optimistic.\nP: What about the Cairo posture toward Hussein?\nK: They follow the events. At first they were on his side; then\nthey didn't want to be outdone by Syria. They have not been in a leading\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nPhil Potter\n9/23/70 5:30 p.m. page 2\nposition. Today again they are acquiescing. I would say they are on\nthe side of the Fedayeen on the whole. But they are almost nore con-\ncerned with making a record than with doing anything decisive.\nP: They have wavered with the flow of events?\nK: That's right.\nP: What do you think accounts for this? The Israeli role on the\nflank is a reason for Syrian withdrawing? Soviet influence?\nK: The Israeli's obvious mobilization, or readiness measures,\nand the unexpectedly strong resistance of Jordan probably account for\na lot. I would put Soviet influence last. They didn't exercise any real\ninfluence we noticed till all these others came into plan. The Soviet\nrole over theke last few weeks has not been very helpful. They've\nbeen pouring things into the standstill zone.\nP: Okay. Thank you very much.\nK: Right, Phil.\nP: I would love to see you one of these days.\nK: I would like to see you. There's an unfortunate bias toward\nthe irresponsible journalists who need to be straightened out. Are\nyou going to be on the trip?\nP: No, I would love to be, but I cannot take it away from the\nWhite House correspondent.\nK: Okay. I'll see you when we get back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nAlex Johnson\n9/23/70 5:35 p.m.\nK: We had some reports from newspapers, from correspondents,\nwho have been calling in here, saying that Soviet restraint is one of the\ngreat factors in solving the crisis.\nJ: Oh God.\nK: First, we don't want to say that it's been solved. It could\nboil up again. Secondly, the last thing we can afford to do right now\nis to give the Soviets credit for anything. The President feels we\nshould go the other way. We should take credit for what's been done\nand strongly downplay the Soviet role and Soviet helpfulness. And the\nPresident in general wants us to take an icey posture toward the Sov-\niets. If Dobrynin runs loose, he wants an icey cordiality. This talk\nabout Soviet helpfulness is not virulent yet, but we wanted to stop it be-\nfore it got out of hand.\nJ: I will see what I can do. I don't know where this has been\ncoming from. I have been spending the last 45 minutes trying to\nstop Ky's visit here.\nK: The President wants me to see Ky after all while I am in\nParis.\nJ: Bui Diem was here with me with Lam. I pulled out all the\nstops on what a disaster this would be for all of us.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nArgov/Kissinger\n6:00 p.m.\n7 9/23/70\nK: The President asked me to call the Ambassador but since he is not here to tell\nyou, the Prime Minister will hear that we will not forget your\nbehaviour this week and we feel very lucky that Israel was there.\nA: That's very kind.\nK: That may effect some of the things later.\nA: I think so too.\nK: Do you think it's x broken now?\nA: That's what the information was. The Syrians are out. The Jordanians are\nmoving tanks into Irbid and the situation in Amman is under control. Only\na few nests. Now I suppose he will move into a haggling with the characters he\nhas visiting him. They came to him and he didn't go to Cairo and that's a better\nposition than he has had for years.\nK: That's better for you toon.\nA: Yes, if he plays his cards well.\nK: ????? his attitude towards what you have done. Al Haig has some\nadvice for you that he will pass on later. I am glad we have had a chance to discuss\nthings.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n6:02 p.m.\n9/23/70\nK: A number of things. One, I talked to Alex when I couldn't reach you. We had\nsome reports that some lower level State people are praising the Soviets. This\nisn't critical because they don't know what concerns us about the Soviets. We don't\nknow their names.\nR: We have that word around. That's been taken care of.\nK: I don;t know if the President discussed with you, he has asked me if Ky matter\nisn't WX settled to see him and dissuade him. Bill Sullivan mentioned this yesterday.\nI leave it up to Phil Habib and I have no interest in doing it.\nR: I am going to see him now. In fact I'm late. We will talk about that xxxxxxxxx\ntomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Amb. Lucet\n7:00 p.m., September 23, 1970\nL:\nyou know to think of but Quai D'Orsay. Difficult first because\nI don't know if the President would be in Paris that day.\nK:\nIt is Saturday.\nL:\nSecondly, you told me you were not sure. It would depend on the\ncircumstances,\nK:\nIt is much more likely now that I will come.\nL:\nYou will come anyway, you will be in Paris.\nK:\nYes.\nL:\nYou think you will be in Paris anyway?\nK:\nYes.\nL:\nSo, I shall get in touch again with you tomorrow morning.\nK:\nI am not making an issue of this.\nL:\n[I understand that] I thought that from the beginning.\nK:\nI will tell him in all frankness of what we are doing or did but it\nis entirely up to him.\nL:\nYou will be in Paris anyway on Saturday.\nK:\nYes.\nL:\nMay I call you in the morning?\nK:\nYes but it should be no later than tomorrow noon.\nL:\nWhat time can I call you in the morning.\nK:\nI get in at 7:30.\nL:\nYou are wonderful, thank you anyway, I will call you in the morning.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Yoshida\n9/23/70 7:05 p.m.\nY: The first thing, I did everything possible for your two friends\nwhen they were in Japan.\nK: It worked out well?\nY: I think so. Within limits I did my very best, but with such\nshort notice\nK: I fully understand.\nY: I got hold of good people.\nK: Wonderful.\nY: They had a chance to talk with some good people, in official\ncapacities and positions. We did well by a cross-section view of men\nin my country. Another difficulty was that I cannot mention this line\nof communication to Dick Sneider, who is responsible for the entire program.\nBut since we are good friends I managed well in a discrete way. I hope\nthey were satisfied. They had only two working days, with a tight\nschedule already. But within that limit it was good. As soon as they\nget back home you will hear their reaction about my country. I should\nlike to know.\nK: I will let you know when I talk to them.\nY: Could you? I would appreciate it. I had a chance to talk to\nboth of them over a lunch with other friends of mine in Todyo. We had\nonly an hour and a half, but we had a good conversation. And in Kyoto\ntwo of my best friends had a good talk. They went to a typical Japan-\nese restaurant and had a good talk. ****** I couldn't go to Kyoto\ndue to a previous speaking engagement. But one of my best friends\nsaid it was a most productive conversation.\nK: Wonderful.\nY: Also, I talked with Dick Sneider and according to him the two\nof your friends were very pleased. I wanted to do more than that, but\ncouldi't, partly due to the time limitation, and partly Dick.\nK: I umderstand.\nY: That is the first subject.\nAt your\nrequest I will do anything I can. Secondly, I am still very much concerned\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Yoshida\n9/23/70 7:05 p.m. page 2\nabout the unsettled issue. Do you know what I am referring to?\nK: Yes.\nY: Mr. Kishi is coming to your place to meet your friend toward\nthe end of this month or at the beginning of next month. Am I correct?\nK: Yes, but it has to be moved to a week later because we are\ngoing on this trip.\nY: I see. When would it be?\nK: After October 5. Can you arrange that?\nY: I would like to do so.\nK: I am unfortunately in a position again where I must run. I\ntalked, though to my friend this afternoon and he asked me to find out\nwhether the man we are talking about could delay his visit by 10 days\nor so. If after October 5 he could give a little lunch or dinner for him.\nY: It is very important because he is the brother of my friend.\nMy friend is coming to the UN, and would like to see your friend then.\nDo you thinka the issue will come up again?\nK: Not if you don't raise it. We will not raise it again.\nY: Is see. My friend is very much interested.\nK: Yes, but we have to agree on some concrete proposition.\nCould you ask your friend and teldxhinxkx ask him how he wants to\nproceed? If there's a good chance of an agreement my friend will\nveto the Trade Bill. Otherwise, he will let it go through. He will\nnot veto it unless we have an agreement with you or a good chance of\ngetting one.\nY: The bill has a good chance of going through?\nK: Oh, yes.\nY: X When? :\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Yoshida\n9/23/70 7:05 p.m. page 3\nK: Some time next month.\nY: That is one of the things one of your friends mentioned to me\nprivately. Could I ask my friend's brother, who is also a friend of\nmine. The topic my friend's brother is going to raise when he meets\nyour friend would be that issue.\nK: Right.\nY: Could I ask my friend to get in touch with his brother who is\nnow somewhere in Europe to delay his visit to Washington a week or\n10 days, so his brother could have a chance to talk with your friend?\nK: Yes, but we cannot have another inconclusive conversation.\nY: Your friend will meet with the brother if Mr. Kishi could\ndelay his visit several days later so it would be after the fifth?\nK: Exactly.\nY: All right. I will do that. There is no harm if your friend and\nMr. Kishi have a good talk.\nK: Okay. Can you let me know about this?\nY: Yes. When are you leaving?\nK: I will be leaving on Friday.\nY: All right. I will let you know before that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Amb. Sullivan\n7:15 p.m., September 23, 1970\nK:\nAbsolutely the urgent and insistent request of the President that\ntomorrow we feature POWs. I hope you all understand that.\nS:\nI put this through to these people.\nK:\nIt has got to be done.\nS:\nHave you seen the text?\nK:\nI haven't seen it.\nS:\nI sent a copy of the text to John Holdridge.\nK:\nYou don't think the bureaucracy is going to let me at anything\nimportant do you.\nS:\nIt is about 5 paragraphs, it is strong and eloquent.\nK:\nHe wants this to be the lead in the news stories tomorrow. I would\ncondense the other statement. Hate to do this but this is a\nPresidential order, I wouldn't have thought of this ploy myself.\nS:\nI told them it had come from the President. I have been tied up\nwith Long all day. I will have Kurt call them again. He's got the\ntext of it. I will make another call to make sure that there is\nprominence in the press.\nK:\nI have only been asked about three or four times today.\nS:\nI will do it again if you really think there is nervousness on it.\nK:\nThere is.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Joe Sisco\n8:10 p.m., September 23, 1970\nS:\nI've only got a minute, I am calling from home. Going off to the\nLebanese Embassy tonight. They are giving a dinner for our new\nambassador. Wanted to say two things to you -- hope that some of\nthe heat on all of us is off. It has been a pretty good day. Henry,\nI really wanted to tell you you have done an outstanding job, you have\nraised a lot of tough questions that haven't been very easy to answer.\nYou have been tremendous throughout.\nK:\nWithout you it couldn't have been done. I appreciate the delicate\nposition you have been in.\nS:\nThe whole team has pulled very well together. All of us have served\nthe President well. I wanted to call you from home because I didn't\nwant to call you from the State Department.\nK:\nJoe, this means a lot to me. We will be friends for a long time.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nButterfield/Kissinger\n11:28 X a. m.\n9/24/70\nB: The President would like you to come to dinner tonight. Black tie. Do your\nsoft shoe.\nK: He wants me to talk.\nB: He doesn't want you to change any major commitments.\nK: But there's not way I can be there and talk and not be there, is ther?\nB: NO.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Lucet/Kissinger\n11:30 a. m.\n9/24/70\nL: You asked me to call you before 12:00. Unfornnately, he cannd do it (on Sat. ? )\nK: That's fine.\nL: Have a good trip to Europe and I will see you when you come back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n11:47 a. m.\n9/24/70\nK: The President appreciated your suggestion on the carrier and he agreed withit.\nL: I thought heIshould check with Mou on this visit to Turkey. I have an invitation\nI am accepting and I don't want to give the impression that it's something we asked\nfor. I am just trying to get State to turn it off and meet with the Defense Minister.\nK: You don't want Sisco.\nL: In Turkey, fine, but he is poison in Greece. They think he is the reason for\nthe hold up in aid. I am accepting Turkish Defense minister's invitation.\nK: How can they think a thing like that. Would he do anything contrary to the\nPresident's wishes? We were trying to get rid of him.\nL: Send him home.\nK: Tell him that he must stay on top of the M.E.\nL: Can't have everyone out of town at the same time.\nK: I will *** take the blame. I will tell him the Presi dent wants him back here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nJoe Sisco\n9/24/70 12:10 p.m.\nS: There were three things I wanted to mention: first, I am send-\ning to you for your clearance a simple one-page suggestion as to two or\nthree oral points that might be made to Rabin to put a ribbon on our recent\neffort.\nK: The President wants to do that very warmly.\nS: Wait till you see it; I have done it very warmly. And if you like,\nI can make it warmer. Secondly, I have just finished a suggested talking\npaperæx for the President for use with the Mediterranean ambassadors,\nwhich was rather presumptuous of me.\nK: Not at all. That's what I wanted you to do.\nS: Am very anxious for him to see this. I think it's got the kind of\nview which the President and you and I would like to have reflected to the\nAmbassadors. I will put it in the asual bureancratic way into the book,\nbut I hav e also sent you an extra copy.\nK: Good.\nS: Third, I just got a call in from the field. Palmer suggested, and\nI think it's very good, that I should brief all the Ambassadors on the Mid-\ndle East before the President at 11:00.\nK: That's a good idea.\nS: I thought it was; I just wanted to be sure. I would do it at 9:00.\nK: That's terrific. If the Secretary agrees we are strongly in\nfavor, and I don't see how he can not want you to. There were two\nthings I wanted to mention to you/ The President is thinking that you\nought to go back after Naples; he wants you here to watch things: we\nare not that much out of the woods yet.\nS: And Laird thinks my presence would give it too much an a\nMiddle Eastern flavor.\nK: That I hadn't heard.\nXXX\nS: Let's leave it at that one day in Naples, then I'll come back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nJoe Sisco\n9/24/70 12:10 p.m. page 2.\nK: We're sending Haig back for that reason.\nS: Fine, maybe A1 and I can team up to come back.\nK: The other thing is strictly personal: I had a visitor today\nwho was saying that Bergus is talking about me in a very vicious way.\nS: I will take care of that.\nK: It's awful for an American minister to talk that way. And\nhe takes credit for starting that campaign on \"expel.\"\nS: Let me take care of it. You don't do a thing. I promise you\nI'll take care of it.\nK: Good. Thank yoji.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Crnobrjna/Kissinger\n12:12 p.m.\n9/24/70\nK: I had a problem which my people asked me to raise and it hadn't reached me\nwhen you were in. A technical problem which the President hasgreat interest in.\nThey usually have a truck full of phtax photographers preceeding the President.\nyou usually do not. I don't suppose there's a compromise.\nC: Its a difficulty.\nK: I understand it's not done in your country.\nC: A looxx lorry?\nK: An ordinary truck. One is enough to get pictures back to the U.S. We had it\nin Romania.\nC: I will send the request to Belgrade but I see no problem. Why not?\nK: Your approach (?) is not to allow the press close to the President.\nC: Because of reasons of security.\nK: This is the sort of thing the President would appreciate and would not violate\nanything uhless a Serbian national custom.\nC: I will approve this.\nK: Will you let me win one arguement so I can prove I am not a complete weakling.\nYou always get your way.\nXIX\nC: My English is not to good (HAK rewords his remark) Oh, I see. Then the\nbalance is restored. I understand fully your interest in that. When I am in Belgrade\nand can act on the spot -- I will now just mention this. Whether any sort of\nwith first lady is foreseen?\nK: Not possible. Scheduling problem. She would be glad to receive your wife\nafterwards but it may have other advantages.\nC: Yes. We have no problem of prestige. It's a humane thing.\nK: She appreciated that. It will definitely be worked out after our return.\nC: If I have anything after my departure, Dr.\nwill be here and will tell\nSonnenfeldt.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n3:04 p.m.\n9/24/70\nD: You didn't keep your word not to organize anything during my absence.\nK: Don't speak about who isn't keeping his word. You stayed away a lot longer\nthen we thought. Let's not go into this on the phone.\nD: I am xxx calling today if it's possible to see the President about two point S--\nThe summit and things about Jordan.\nK: I will talk to him. His schedule is very full. Can you talk to me?\nD: Yes but the questions is when I left Moscow they said ? ? ?. Today or tomorrow\nreally. It could wait until tomorrow and it's not urgent.\nK: I understand. I will have to ask him.\nD: Understand and the timing. 20-25 mins. and then I could talk to you on a more\ndetailed basis.\nK: You understand we are leaving town next week.\nD: Sunday.\nK: Probably, yes.\n1\nD: hat's why I am calling. I just arrived late last night.\n+\nK: I will theck with the President.\nD: Let me know when it's possible to arrange it.\nK: I will let you know. Will you be seeing others before you see the President?\nD: No. Nobody. You are the first I am to call. Perhpas half an hour before I could\ntalk with you.\nK: I have no pærticular need to talk with you. I have to see if the President has\ntime and if not, you may have to talk with me. Today I know is impossible.\nD: Tomorrow is no problem. I am not going to see anyone before that. I will await\nyour call.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Freeman/Kissinger\nafternoon\n9/24/70\nK: Can you stand it if I discuss serious business with you?\nF: A pleasant change.\nK: It's a slightly sensitive thing having to do with Chile. It's for the Prime Minister\nor Foreign Secy. only. Our understanding here is that your Ambassador there\nholds the view we should come together with Allende. It makes it look that you are\nfor an Allende £ victory. It can be twisted to mean discouraging any other efforts.\nThis is not the President's view although it's not out of line with others in our\ngovernment. You have your own policy but I want you to know what we think.\nF: It's very delicate. I have not read these communications.\nK: If you want to know what the President thinks I can send over a backgrounder\nI gave in Chicago. Most is repetition --\nF: Just send the relevant passage. That would help substantiate the case.\nK: I have nothing to substantiate the roll of your Ambassador. Frankly, this is\njust from our Ambassador who seems to have lose X=X his sanity.\nF: Ours is a new man but extremely senior and serious.\nK: Our assumptions are stated in this backgrounder.\nF: If necessary, our taking a little\nof what the realities are. I don't think\nmy government would look with favor on not having the Ambassador say what he\nthinks.\nK: We think whatever he says to your government is up to him. Its what he says\nto the Chileans. He may say something other than what he thinks. What he says\nto your government is of no concern to us.\nF: Thank you. I will mention this when we next meet.\nK: The President may wish to raise it with the Prime Minister. The concern is\nthat the clock is running and not much time.\nF: You are going off on Sun. ?\nK: I am leaving Sat. for Paris.\nF: Then I will see you in London.\nK: At Chequers. And I may be in London for Sunday and Monday morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Freeman/Kissinger\nafternoon\n9/24/70\n-2-\nF: Did you think time useful yesterday?\nK: Very well from our side.\nF: I think he was pressed very pleased about it. He will give us a fuller run doxxxx down\nbecause he was pleasedxyesterday.\nK: It went well yesterday.\nF: That may be the first of several.\nK: He is always welcome here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nThe President\n9/24/70; 6:40 p.m.\nK: I had a call from Dobrynin this afternoon and he said he had a message for\nyou on that Summit and also on the Jordanian situation. I was very cool to him\nand said I didn't know if your schedule permitted you to see him.\nP: I will not see him. If he wants to give a message, he can see you. I didn't\ngive him.\nK: I handed him the first and Haig handed Vorontsov the second. If you want\nto come to Map Room after and get\nP: I am not going to go to him and take a message unless it is positive - - I\nam not going to waste my time.\nK: Why don't I tell him you should give me the message?\nP: Tell him you would like to take a look at it and that you would look at my\nschedule. I don't think we want to appear that everytime he comes back I am\ngoing to slobber over him. Tell him if there is something substantive that\nwould justify my seeing him, I will, but if it is just routine I can't do it. Let's\nput it that way.\nK: Good, I will call him. Ihad lunch with the Time people -- I think it went\nvery well. I gave them the same I gave this morning.\nP: You think I ought to spend a few minutes with Sidey?\nK: I don't think it would hurt.\nP: Okay, fine, Henry. We will see you you are coming tonight.\nK: I will be there by 9:00 p.m.\nP: Do about the same as you did.\nK: About 20-25 minutes.\nP: About 25 minutes like you did this morning. No other new developments?\nK: No. The army seems to be continuing to clean out the Fedayeen. Some\nreports that the Iraquis are changing into Fedayeen uniform.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger/The President\n9/24/70; 6:40 p.m.\n-2-\nP: On the Dobrynin thing, let me leave it to your judgment. Take the message\nand tell him if the message justifies my seeing him you will work it out.\nK: Right, Mr. President.\nP: Right. Say, Mr. Ambassador, he is leaving and is cleaning out several\nthings -- which is true. Okay?\nK: Right.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n9/24/70 7:00 p.m.\nD: You were playing golf with the President?\nK: No, I don't play. I just talked to the President and he is\nextremely occupied tomorrow and is going to Camp David tomorrow\nnight. What he wonders is if you could give me the messages. If\nthere is anything warranting a personal reply from him he will see\nyou later in the day. That's his position.\nD: I have to check it with Moscow, if you don't mind.\nK: No.\nD: In this particular case when I left they asked me to ask for\nan audience with him. I would have to ask my government in this case.\nK: I understand, but you recognize that he is leaving Friday\nnight for Camp David.\nD: That's why they asked me to come earlier back to Washing-\nton. But it's up to the President.\nK: If a written reply is needed we will give that; if something\nelse\nBut under no circumstances will he have much time. Why\ndon't you ask Moscow if you can tell me, then we can have 15 minutes\nlater in the day for you to get his reactions.\nD: It is up to Moscow; it is nptt up to me. This is really the\nquestion. I can't decide myself. It is not that they don't want me to\nspeak with hou.\nK: Of course, if there is something in your communication that\nwarrants his reaction, he will, of course, see you, but not for long.\nD: The question is how he will react on this, not XX just telling\nhim the things and nothing else.\nK: If it requires a significant reaction he will react, but first he\nwants to see what it is. Call me in the morning and see if you can give\nit to me; if so, I propose 10:30.\nD: I will check with Moscow. When will he be back?\nK: October 6.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nAmbassador Dobrynin\n9/24/70 7:00 p.m. page 2\nD: He is not going anyplace after the 6th?\nK: He willb e in and out. We told you his schedule was very\ncrowded for October and November. November is the political cam-\npaign and he will be taking several trips.\nD: I understand, but it is a question of a 10-minute talk.\nK: We don't reject the idea of a 10-minute talk. We just want\nto see if there's something to talk about.\nD: All right. I will check with Moscow and call you tomorrow\nmorning before 10:00 to clarify the situation from my side.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nUnder Secretary John Irwin\n9/24/70; 8:50 p.m.\nI: Back to our conversation, I would like very much to start the\nmeetings anytime it is convenient.\nK: Why don't we do it the Thursday of my return.\nI: That will be great. I hope you have a very good trip.\nK: Thank you. I always met with Elliot on Thursdays -- is that a good\nday for you?\nI: Good -- Thursday luncheon.\nK: Yes. We sort of alternated with his place and mine.\nI: Fine.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nLord Kennett (Weyland Young) (Telephone in London: PAddington 2020)\n9/25/70 8:00 a. m.\nK: I find that in my overwhelming bureaucracy I have never\nanswered your letter of some weeks ago. As my organization gets\nlarger its humanity drops.\nY: But you've called me; that's very human.\nK: I may be in London on October 3. Will you be there?\nY: Yes I will.\nK: That would be a week from Sunday. I will be there privately\nso I shouldn't have the usual entourage. Would love to see you.\nY: I would love to see you too. Do you need a bed?\nK: No, I'll be staying at a hotel. But why don't we fix a time in\nthe later afternoon on Sunday.\nY: We would love to have you for dinner.\nK: I may have to cancel the dinner part, but I definitely want to\nsee you.\nI will have our Embassy get in touch with you.\nY: Good. I very much want to see you. I am starting a new life.\nIs there anyone you want to see especially? Opposition people or bright\nyoung people?\nK I would sgy bright young people.\nY: Okay. You'll be alone?\nK: Yes. I may have a young assistant with me, but he can take\ncare of himself.\nY: All right. Bring him if you like or don't if you don't want to.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n9:50 a.m.\n9/25/70\nK: Did you get my message about hostages? They have released 20. That\nmeans a real victory. But no Americans.\nP: The King is surviving well. It's the hard game.\nK: No question.\nP: Can you get anx that across? Are you having your backgrounder today?\nK: Yes. I am leaving tonight.\nP: I will see you after you see Dobrynin. I am briefing at 10:00. Dobrynin\nat 10:30 and I will se e you after Dobrynin. I will make it very short with\nDobrynin.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMargaret Osmer\n9/25/70 12:05 p.m.\nO: How are you?\nK: I don't know; how am I?\nO: I hear you are packing up and leaving town.\nK: I've had a rough week.\nO: I know and I thought you needed a change of pace.\nK: Are you propositioning me again?\nO: No and stop passing those stories around. I have a favor to ask.\nK: In return for not using Nancy?\nO: I'm going to drop \"Paranoid\" from the script if you'll do something for me.\nK: What are you talking about?\nO: That part where Schelling said you were paranoid; you said you didn't like it.\nYou know that marvelous thing some lady made you for your Birthday? Can I\nborrow it?\nK: Yes.\nO: Does it have pictures?\nK: Just one of me.\nO: Not with Jill St. John?\nK: No. I have no pictures of me with Jill St. John.\nO: Can I borrow it?\nK: Yes.\nO: Can Julie send it to me?\nK: No.\nO: Time Magazine (?) asked me if my relationship with you was professional.\nK: You should have said absolutely not. What did you say?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMargaret Osmer\n9/25/70 12:05 p.m. page 2\nO: I just panicked.\nK: Again? They are confusing you with Charlotte Ford.\nO: I thought Hoey were confusing me with Viki.\nK: Yes, I had lunch with her the other day. Say, somebody said it's\ndangerous to have my children on TV. The kooks will go after them. Are\nthey in there a lot?\nO: No, just two minutes to the whole sequence. And I have said very\nlittle about them, just that they live in Massachusetts with their mother.\nMore about them has been said in magazines.\nK: How much of the interview is in?\nO: Eight minutes and in one place I'm using a voice-over of you talking\nabout the President and showing pictures of you with the President.\nK: Is it friendly?\nO: The interview?\nK: No, what I am saying about the President.\nO: Yes, that he's marvelous to work with, that he's competent, cool\nK: Eight minutes! But you and I have a deal with my seeing what you\nhave me saying.\nO: Okay, the part about the American people during the Cambidian\ndecision, the American sense of tragedy and what would make you leave,\nwhich you said very well.\nK: You're trying to make me leave.\nO: No, you can't leave for awhile.\nK: Why not?\nO: We have a deal.\nK: Oh for you! You are trying to get rid of me. You are with some\nother man.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMargaret Osmer\n9/25/70 12:05 p.m. page 3\nO: I am not. I am just embarrassed to call you in the middle of all this\ncrisis. But then I found out this morning that you are leaving the country\nand so I had to call.\nK: To use me.\nO: No, I have a proper amount of respect for you and the position you hold.\nK: Eight minutes! What you did was just to sucker me into an interview.\nO: No, we may have 30 minutesX !\nK: But you think my children are no problem?\nO: No.\nK: You told me Schölding said I had kept something from the President on\nCambodia. Are you going to use that.\nO: No, don't worry about.\nK: Those are pretty strong words. I have already called Schelling and\ncomplained.\nO: You can't! I can't tell you anything any more.\nK: Oh Margaret. You are gullible. I've got to teach you some things.\nMy pride wouldn't let me call him even if there were no other reason not to.\nO: Okay. I can borrow that thing?\nK: Yes.\nO: How will I get it?\nK: I'll get it to you somehow, but can I get it back?\nO: Absolutely. The best thing to do is to send it Special Delivery to\nmy home--then it's never out of my hands.\nK: This is just that picture of me on the phone. Then there was a whole\npage of all the gossip items. Is the print big enough to pick up?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMargaret Osmer\n9/25/70 12:05 p.m. page 4\nO: Probably. Because we'ge got no pictures of youg going out and we\nneed something to lead into the Barbara Howar interview. She was so\nsweet.\nK: She's a nice girl; I like here.\nO: She said Henry Kissinger doesn't have time to be a swinger.\nYou'll be pleased to know there are a couple of things she said that we've\nleft out.\nK: Abbut \"politics makes strange bedfellows? \"\nO: Yes.\nK: I like that.\nO: Well we left that out and also the one about the \"Nixon Administration\nisn't exactly one orgy after another. 11\nWhat's happening in the Middle\nEast?\nK: For once we've done something right. Out motto is \"You can't lose\nthem all. \"\nO: May I quote you?\nK: Of course.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nDave Packard\n9/25/70 1:30 p.m.\nK: Have you seen what Jerry Friedheim put out today?\nP: No.\nK: He spilled his guts, put out everything we know about that business.\nP: Cuba?\nK: Everything: barges, U-2 intelligence\nP: My God no. Let me check on this.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPackard/Kissinger\n1:50 p,m.\n9/25/70\nP: We told Jerry not to say anything before clearance from the WH. This\nmemo we talked about yesterday was LDX'd over. The covering note didn't\nget to him.\nK: It said that's all he should say.\nP: He called Houdek who said to go ahead. The thing that slipped up was\nthat it wasn't made clear this is all he should say. It got out of channels and\nhere we are. I have talked to Mel. At this point we can only hold tight.\nK: How did he get the facts?\nP: A lot of people have the facts. We told him not to go out and xbel dixloxis don't\nknow how he went beyond that paragraph. Your instructions are fine. I don't\nknow how he got further than that.\nK: Obviously when Houdek said go ahead, he meant just the guidance. Houdek\ndeesn't know any more about it than that.\nP: Of course. We told Jerry to hold it tight. Wexxxxx Say only what he was told.\nK: It's done now.\nP: No plaxxx blame on it but ifx as of now we will have to hold tight and decide\nwhat we can do.\nK: Going on a trip now may look frivolous.\nP: I haven't seen it.\nK: He said everything we know.\nP: Let me get it out. I will talk with Mel and see what specific steps whoxx should\nbe done.\nK: No one should say one more word until we have worked it out.\nP: Don't worry. We have that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRabin/Kissinger\n4:33 p.m.\n9/25/70\nR: First, in response to what you transmitted WX two days ago when I was not\nhere and you told Argov I have a cable from the Prime Minister and she wants to\nthank the President for the message and second, she hopes in the last weeks\nbetter understanding has been established as a result of the last developments\nbetween the U.S. and Israel. Third, she hopes that this understanding will be\ncontinued for the future.\nK: We will do our best and why don't you type it up and send it over here. It's\na pleasure to eschange friendly messages for a change.\nR: A more practical point, you know in Copenhagen there's a meeting of the\nWorld Bank and Board of Governors all over the country and it's\n.\nWe have close contacts with them. We tallesx talked to you of the problem of\n$250 million as German loans which the U.S. as part of the German/U.S. offset\nagreement. The Germans stress time and again that if they get any hint from\nyou that *ixexyx will be welcome in bringing this issue in discussion between you and us --\nK: They tell us the opposite.\nR: If you xxxxx indicate you are willing to use it favorably, not commit yourselves,\nthey would send a representative here to discuss it. No commitment on your\npart.\nWho would\nK: Xxxxxxxx make this communication to them?\nR: Can I -- we have a direct contact to Brandt.\nK: Could you send one of your economics men to Bergsten, my assistant to\nexplain the problem to him and then I will let you know.\nR: You will not be here.\nK: Yes.\nR: Can we just tell them if they ask you to tell only to Brandt\nK: I don't understand the problem well enough and I shouldn't do it now in light\nof other things I have to do this week without economic advice.\nR: We talked to Mr. Samuels --\nK: May I call you back? In half an hour? There's something I must do\nabsolutely urgently.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nPer Hr. 7-3-2014\nBy RJ (mH) NARA, Date 4-25-2016\nVLN08-01/10683 [].10f ]]\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n9/25/70 4:50 p.m.\nK: I just wanted to tell you, and I tried immediately after the briefing\nThe President said if I was pressed to follow the guidance. The question is,\ntwo inconsistent questions: How are you able to take this trip\nlet\nme read it to you and then get it over to you immediately. (Mr. Kissinger\nread from the transcript.) That's what we agreed to yesterday.\nR: I told my people to have no comment at all about anything. What's\nthe explanation at Defense?\nK: Then they asked the question again about the trip. I said \"Let's be\ncareful; we are watching closely\n[Mr. Kissinger read again from the\ntranscript]. The Defense explanation is that they got the guidance this\nmorning and Jerry Friedheim went þeyond it. I think though that they had material\nprepositioned, because how would Friedheim know about the barges\nR: I just don't see why everybody can't say \"no comment. \" Why do we\ntalk so much?\nK: For once, I am in 100 percent agreement. Here we are confronted\nwith a major story. He said there is a submarine base; we know their in-\ntentions, but we are not saying. That just makes it worse.\nR: It's perfectly easy to say nothing. It might cause embarrassment,\nbut we shouldn't say we aren't saying anything.\nK: I think we should say nothing at all.\nR: Well okay Henry. I must say my worst fears have been realized.\nK: I agree. XeX New XXXXX XXXXIX\nR: The President called a little while ago. He is really concerned about it.\nEven for background purposes I am telling my people not to say anything. If\nwe keep talking about how serious it might be then what do we do about it.\nK: The only good that might come out of this is that they may decide to\nputt their tender out.\nR: But the trouble with these confrontation is that if we say \"you have\ngot to do something\" and they don't, then we've got to do something. In a\nshowdown you either shoot it out or you look silly.\nK: I agree. Well, let's see how it plays.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n5:05 p.m.\n9/25/70\nK: I gave a backgrounder this afternoon on the trip. Before I went in the President\nasked me that I should not say anything about the base but if I was pressed to hard\nline it. There were a lot of questions saying in view of the Defense statement and\nthe base there --\nL: They hedged that.\nK: I am not complaining. I lined up with you. I am standing with you. I get\na number of statements saying we are watching the activity. I pulled back and\nsaid we willx are watching construction there and the Soviet Union can be under\nno thought that we would observe any building of strategic bases there if ? ? ?\nI want you to be aware of it.\nL: A bad day.\nK: I couldn't very well not say it. After the Defense story and I said I didn't\nknow about this, it would have reflected on the Presidant. I will read you a\nquestion: \"???? ian't this a bad thing to be taking a trip?\" I said let's\nbe careful. We are watching events in Cuba and at the right moment we will\ntake action. In close touch with the situation. \"With announcement today with\nthe possibility of submarine base in Cuba ? ? ? ? ? \" That's when I made\nthe Kennedy statement. I had no choice, did I?\nL: No.\nK: I wanted you to know wer are both in it.\nL: Okay.\nK: These things happen and it maybe a blessing in disguise.\nL: This disconnect that took place bothers me. I daxxix told Dave to gex forget\nabout it but he I felt I should have told Freidheim about the meeting.\nK: We have been under such stress it's inevitable that something would blow.\nL: Freidheim didn't know there was a meeting not to do anything. But we will\nhave to go from here.\nK: We widdx are behind you.\nL: I appreciate that. It's a bad day.\nK: For everybody.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nGovernor Dewey\n9/25/70 6:00 p.m.\nD: Welcome back to the East. They warmed up the atmosphere for you\na bit didn't they?\nK: They sure did. I think we've made it.\nD: I spent last evening at the Council with Abba Eban, just a small\ngroup, 25 or so. He's quite a different fellow from the last meeting.\nK: They've had some scaring influences.\nD: He glitters as beautifully as ever, you've seen him.\nK: No, he hasn't been in Washington, or if he was I haven't seen him.\nD: Oh he wasn't with Golda?\nK: No, I don't think he and she get along very well.\nD: He glitters with charm, but he almost sounds a little shrill and\nless convinced.\nK: They are in a tough spot, and realize they have to do something.\nD: They are realizing that a war of attrition with them isn't working.\nYou can't really\nand Arab.\nK: Not when you have two million and they have 80. I think events of\nthe last two weeks have helped.\nD: They must have. And the hijackings I think are the best thing to\nhappen to the Israelis. Most importantly they made the world hate the\nFedayeen. And they made the Fedayeen realize that the Israelis aren't\nby themselves. Anyhow I called to say that Lucius and I would like to come\ndown at a convenient time.\nK: Let me get David Young to call you next week and we'll set a date\nfor after we get back.\nD: Okay. I spoke to Lucius today and he thought the 8th or the 9th\nof October would be okay for him.\nK: At this point, one looks as good as the other. Why don't we say the\n8th\nno, the 9th.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nGovernor Dewey\n9/25/70 6:00 p.m. page 2\nD: Thatit is. When are you coming back?\nK: The 5th.\nD: When do you leave?\nK: Tonight.\nD: Tonight! Sorry, go pack your bags and have a wonderfully success-\nful visit.\nK: Thank you. Let's plan for lunch on the 9th. Will you contact\nLucius or should we?\nD: I'll take care of it.\nK: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nCharles Meyer\n9/25/70 6:25 p.m.\nK: The major point is that, unbelievable as this may be in Foggy\nBottom, all my backgrounders are carefully checked in advance with the\nPresident and reflect his views. Therefore I think John Lodge ought to\nbe authorized to state this view to officials.\nM: I have just been at the UN pinch-hitting for my boss. Nobody\nasked about the conflict.\nK: Well, if the Tadd Schultz story is the only one that appears, I\nwill assume he did it on his own. But if his is not the only one I will\nassume something else.\nM: There is one other- in the Star.\nK: If you could let Lodge state that, everyone would be happier.\nM: Okay. If I showed lack of confidence in your discretion, forgive me.\nK: No, you are not my problem at State, but every time I see a news\nstory my paranoia comes out.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nAmb. William Sullivan\n9/25/70; 7:30 p.m.\nS: Did you have a chance to read the Bruce conversation with Ky?\nK: I glanced at it.\nS: The essence is that he called off his call here but intends to put forward\nhis own peace initiative.\nK: Don't you think we can stall this for a week.\nS: I think so. Secretary Rogers asked me to call you - -- - thinks on your\narrival that you should talk to him. However, there is a risk that he may\nbe taping a TV show before you arrive there. So, I told him if they could\nstall off until you get there. One sticky feature -- we are not sure what\nThieu has told Ky and how much Ky is doing this under Thieu's guidance.\nOkay, I will send that cable along. Have a good trip and don't go to Cuba.\nK: Okay - - fine!\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nU. Alexis Johnson\n9/25/70; 8:00 p.m.\nK: I am leaving -- you will be delighted to know.\nJ: When, now?\nK: In another hour or so. I wanted to touch some bases with you. On\nthe situation we were discussing yesterday afternoon -- not the one in\nwhich our guidance was so scrupulously followed the other one. I\nthink he has flipped his lid!\nJ: I am thoroughly baffled. Charlie is coming back in the morning. Tom\nKaramessines' man is coming in tomorrow afternoon. I want to get together\nwith him.\nK: The only immediate action that I remember is to try to get them to turn\noff water in some places.\nJ: That doesn't change anything. I looked into the question of aid. We are\ndoing nothing new. We have projects in course down there. Almost all of\nthe disbursements are obligated we are not obligating anything new.\nMost are to American companies.\nK: How about the MAP program?\nJ: There is not anything -- $500,000. I get it -- trying to read all that\nstuff what he is saying is that he just doesn't see any mileage in trying\nto frustrate\nnow he is talking about how we make trouble for him once\nhe gets in.\nK: I know nothing about it. Why don't we at least see what we can do about\ncutting off those water funds? I mean these international institutions.\nJ: I am told they are making no loans. He goes up and down. One day he\nwants to make a big settlement and the next day he wants them to go on\nstrike.\nK: Can you sort of take over the 40 Committee while I am gone.\nJ: Let's say I will do my best on it.\nK: I will have Haig sit in for me. If you can have one or two meetings to\nsay that something is reasonably being done.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger/U. Alexis Johnson\n9/25/70; 8:00 p.m.\n- 2 -\nJ: Where do we come out on the other thing? Where does that all stand?\nK: You know what happened? The President urgently instructs us that we\nkeep our mouths shut! I think we should stand on what was said today.\nJ: Boy! Boy! God! We had that so carefully worked out.\nK: The trouble is that after the Defense Department, we had to say something\nhere or be badgered.\nJ: Dave Packard said he is just standing on his head over there. Every-\nthing went bad.\nK: I find out now that they gave pictures on the barges and showed them\non TV.\nJ: Oh, no! Oh, God!\nK: So they must have had a package ready. When we sent over guidance,\nthey must have thought this is it -- they could go. If we had anything\nbeautifully set, this was it.\nJ: There is nothing we worked on more carefully than this.\nK: What we said was nicely threatening to the Soviets and nicely\nreassuring to us. Have you any suggestions as to what we can do?\nJ: No, except keep our mouths shut.\nK: Right. I know from Secretary Rogers if anyone opens his mouth he\nwill hang him!\nJ: I spent 2-1/2 hours with our principal oil companies. We are facing a\nreal problem if our major oil companies hold out against Libyïan demands.\nThey all agree that prices will shoot up and there will be severe shortages.\nThe independents (?) have already given way in Libya. California and\nTexaco have to give their answers tonight. To my mind, the lesser of\nthe evils is to give in. They asked to see Abe Lincoln. I briefed Abe on\nmy meeting. I asked him to call your office to brief someone in your\noffice on this.\nK: My office will go along with you on this. Peter Flanigan is your major\nproblem if there is one.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger/U. Alexis Johnson\n9/25/70; 8:00 p.m.\n- 3 -\nJ: Obviously we have to be damn careful what we say to them.\nK: Alex, you juggle more balls than we do.\nJ: It's going to mean higher prices here in the U. S., too. Abe is really\nthe fellow. Jack McCloy has kept in touch with Mitchell -- anti-trust.\nK: We will go along with what is reasonable on this. I appreciate every-\nthing you have done in the last two weeks, sometimes under trying conditions.\nJ: This is what we get paid for.\nK: You don't get paid for being in cross-fire.\nJ: I really hope they worked out the Ky problem before you get there.\nK: They have. All he wants to do is not come and launch a new peace\ninitiative next week.\nJ: Have they found out if Thieu briefed him?\nK: They are trying to find that out. If you will handle the 40 Committee,\nthat will be terrific.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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