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Telecon Chuck Bailey (Chi. Sun Times) 10/16/70 10:30 a. m. K: I read a summary -- I didn't read the original but I read a summary -- of your column in which you say that the Nixon/Kissinger group was crying wolf too much on Cuba. Let me say two things about it. First, what was said was an agreed upon inter-departmental state- ment. It was a pure accident that I was the first up at the time the question was asked. If I hadn't said it at 2:30, State would have said it at 4:00. It was an agreed position; not a private initiative. Secondly, and I don't want you to write about this; this just for your information, when the facts are out, you will realize that what we did was a minimum reaction. If we could do as well on other things as we did on this B: I'11 agree on that. The Russians went all the way on this, didn1;t they? K: If we had let the thing go, we might have gotten into a real con- frontation two months from now. B: But did you have to make it public? K: Yes, this made it easier for them to say there was nothing there. We said "If it develops into something. 11 B: And you gotikx it anyway. I think it was good. K: I don't want to go into what was done privately. But this was done with minimum humiliation for the Soviets. B: It just looked like part of a pattern, heating up the political atmos- phere without much benefit to the international one. K: We felt it was important that the Soviets realize that they were getting to the edge of what might lead to a reassessment of policy for us. B: This friend of mine said that there were understandings between Washington and Moscow which underly will of what has been going on. K: That's not true. I wish it were. There is nothing we would rather have than an understanding with the Russians. Anyone who's been through the last 25 years realizes there are no victories in con- frontation. We are following a policy of trying to come to basic under- standings with them. If we don't, sooner or later someone is going to try to face someone down.

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