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Rogers/Kissinger
3:35 pm
10/28/70
K: I was having lunch with Irivin and I thought I would stop by. You haven't had
any thoughts? I don't think we should try it. I don't see what we can do now.
R: I don't either.
K: It wasn't a firm question. It would give an impression of frantic activity.
R: Did you have any discusion with Dobrynin on --
K: They wanted to reaffirm it. They are interested. They are prepared to
discuss it
terms of agenda. Two problems -- looked like an election
ploy and it looked like a sudden change to them. I am sending you the note. It's
very brief. They specifically reaffirmed the invitation and interest.
R: Just the election ploy is understandable.
K: I told you, from our point of view I am not sure it's not a blessing. We
would have had a lot of explaining to do.
R: I don't see why we should announce it so far in advance. Some in advance but
K: Jan. or Feb. we might need it. I don't think it would add to the situation.
R: Other talks with Dobrynin.
K: There were no other talks.
R: When you saw him in NY they didn't indicate it was all right and then back
away from it?
K: He asked when we wanted to announce it. Hethought the 30 th and I said the
President thought the 29th. IHe said I would have an anser by next week. 99%
of discussion was Cuba. I have written that up and will let you have it. Other
topic was just to clarify between the 29th and 30th.
R: I saw him at dinner last night but he didn't raise the subject. We will let
it stand.
K: Maybe in late Nov. or Dec. you could start generally talking about an agenda.
I don't want to get in it.
R: On the other subject, tell the President there's is nothing that isn't contrived.
K: If you try you pay for it later. In fact, now it will look obvious. Many
elements of the buraucracy would say they hadn't hear of it.
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