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Mr. Kissinger
The President
11/16/70; 6:45 p. m.
P: How did your meeting come off -- when I called you you were in the
Situation Room.
K: I said what you had suggested. First I told him about Ivanov.
I
said
why don't we start talking about the agenda. He said when he said
we
should talk about it I said in three or four weeks -- now he says he has
authority to talk about it after December 1. He said he was going to
communicate with Moscow. They are playing it cool.
P: We will play it the same way.
K: Casualties not 44 but 32.
P: Why the hell did they put out 44 then?
K: They get put out by two or three channels and some get counted twice.
Actually, we are now at the average of recent weeks. I called Laird to
raise hell about the daily count. He said it was wrong and the real figure
was about 31 or 32. He said he was going to the press.
P: I suggested that you and Bunker come in tomorrow after I meet with
the leaders. We will have a good hour to talk to him.
K: Excellent, I think that would be very good.
P: How is he feeling?
K: I have not seen him since he came back -- he was fine when I saw him.
P: We want him to spare himself and give us his judgment on this political
thing.
K: He should tell Thieu that if we have anything to say to Thieu it should
come through Bunker.
P: It would not be useful if he stayed for the Ky breakfast. We are not
going to let that little son-of-a-bitch (Ky) spoil this -- the point is they
can't go any place without us. He is going to know very hard where this
stands.
K:
That's the key thing we are too close now.
P: Did you get anything further done on Pakistan?
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