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TELCON Dean Acheson/Kissinger 3:06 pm 12/9/80 A: I thought our meeting went well the other day. K: So did I. A: We were all impressed on how clearly the President came through. We conferred together for a moment or so to see what there was anything you would want from us. K: Some concrete suggestions on leadership we could exercise in Europe right now especially with respect to Ost-Politik which I think is a disaster. Brandt is sincere but there are a lot of sincere fools in the world. A: I wish there were some Machivellian fools. What you would like specifically is specific suggestions on what we can to and x how. Especially about Brandt and Ost-Politik. I will talk to McCloy. K: That's fine and we are always glad to hear from you separately. A: Perhaps I will do that. We didn't want to do something useless. K: I find we are having lunch Tuesday. A: That's correct. I felt I should get to it before that.

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