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    "ocrText": "DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\nI\nTelCon\nBrian Mc Donnel / Henry Kissinger\n12/10/70\nD\n(2 pgs.)\n2\nTelCon\nWalter Kissinger/ Henry Kissinger\n12/10/70\nB\n(I Pg. )\nMANDATORY REVIEW REQUEST NLN 08-28/12326\nSANITIZED\nPer Sec. 3. 3(b)(1)(6)\nPer Ltr. 2/17/2012\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts-Telephone Conversations\n8\nFOLDER TITLE\n8-12 Dec. 1970\nI\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES document AND RECORDS has been ADMINISTRATION reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 GPO:1989-235-084/00024 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nDOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\nI\nTelcon\nBrian Donnell / Henry Kissinger\n12/10/70\nD\n(2 pgs.)\nSANITIZED\n2\nTel TelCon Con\nWalter Kissinger/ Henry Kissinger\n12/10/70\nB\n(I pg.)\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nKissinger Transcripts-Telephone Conversations\n8\nFOLDER TITLE\n8-12 Dec. 1970\nI\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\n*U.\nS.GPO; 1989-235-084/00024\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n12/8/70 8:42 a.m.\nL: Last night when I was calling you, I was returning your call.\nYou realized that, didn't you?\nK: Yes, I was calling to tell you about Stennis.\nL: Well, I am calling you now. We are going up there starting at\n10:00. We think most of the questions are going to be shifted to the\ncease-fire.\nK: We are not for klxexxexx that here.\nL: But how should I handle it? I'm going to be sitting next to Bill.\nShould I say I think it is a matter for State to handle?\nK: No, say the whole subject is under discussion and you have\nnothing to say.\nL: I don't want it to look like we're all divided, you know what I mean?\nK: Yes, exaatly.\nL: And that committee today and also on Thursday and Friday the\nForeign Relations Committee are going to be zeroing in on that more than\non military assistance. I don't want to go off in a different direction. I\nwant to do what the President wants.\nK: He never heard of it till he read it in the paper yesterday and it\nruns counter runs counter to the contingency plans we are preparing.\nL: I think it's a mistake to put a time limit on it. It just gives them\nthe time and there are no conditions on it the way Jackson is talking\nabout it. Also Henry this draft thing is bothering me.\nK: We will probably go along with 17, 000.\nL: And work down to 13 or so. Then we have a short fall of 30, 000.\nWe have been up to 50, 000 and 60, 000 back two years ago. There is a\npolitical problem we have got to get the draft extended. This is\njumping draft calls but almost doubling them [?]. If we can keep it at\na constant rate it will be better.\nK: One thing Mel. Heath and the President agreed to do an Indian\nOcean study. The British have one of Heath's assistants over. Is there\nany reason why he can't sit in on a Review Group meeting.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n12/8/70 8:42 a. m. page * 2\nL: It would be a nice gesture.\nDiego Garcie\n[didn't hear what Laird said because another phone was\nringing and nobody answered it. ]\nK: You think we can have him sit in?\nL: I see nothing wrong with it.\nK: We don't want a leak but we can control what's said there.\nL: The British must have leaked the story on Diego Garcia. They\nmust have leaked it out yesterday. It was in the Writers Report -- kind\nof interesting.\nK: Okay Mel. Good luck. Don't support the cease-fire thing.\nL: No, I'll support the President's proposal.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nYoshida/Kissinger\n10:40 am\n12/8/70\nK: How are you?\nY: How are you?\nK: OK\nY: I have the following message to you from my friend. In order to keep you\ninformed and second to ask your personal cooperation. First, I should like to\nreassure you that my friend is determined to have an agreement while\n.\nHe considers it vitally important to the interest of our countries. We are now\nsending another instruction to our expert in your place, however, although it has\nsome\non our side which doesn't seem to me to make a substantial\nmodification on our side. This was mainly drafted by the Mini people who always\ntake a rather inflexible position, as your counterpart. Under such circumstances\nit is certain we have not much room to negotiate. My own consistent advice to\nmy friend is to give our expert as much lateral (?) as possible. So our two\nexperts could work out a draft of an agreement acceptable to both of our governments.\nMy friend is at the moment in a difficult position because of politial considerations.\nI would like to try this step as I have just explained because I now believe it to be\nthe quickest way to get an agreement. To greex get your approach successfully,\nwe will have to do it without the Mini Miti people at home.\nK: The one you are making today?\nY: That's right. We will have to do it without Miti at home. As I understand,\na special instruction has been given to our expert to that apart from the formal\ninstruction. So once my friend gets a draft of an agreement by our two experts,\nnot our people, and he feels he can accept it and survive, he will make his own\ndecisions to show this as his own final plan to Mr. M and Miti.\nK: What do you want me to do?\nY: And other people concerned, including our industry. Of course, we will propose\nformally to you and this is quickest way to get it done.\nK: A proposal to make to us?\nY: What I would like to ask at this moment is that discreetly suggest to your\nexpert to take as much initiative as he can today with our expert since our expert\nwill do the same to work out quickly arx draft of an agreement. Will have to be\na program to work out a\nin name and substance.\nK: I will do my best. You have to understand the sense of outrage for your people\nby ours is enormous. You should know that. I don't care about the agreement.\nOur people feel there's no good faith on your side. So to what degree we can get\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nYoshida/Kissinger\n10:40 am\n12/8/70\n-2-\nK: (cont.) cooperation -- it's the 10th time this has happened and it never leads\nanywhere. So if we make an effort it makes for more concessions from us and\npublic leaks from your side. I regret the issue was re-opened. We would have\nbeen better off if it remained dead.\nY: I appreciate what you have said and how you feel.\nK: It's not me. It's not an agreement I know anything about. I do feel that my\nefforts have been a waste of time. I will do what you suggest. I will talk with\nMr. Flanigan and see what happens.\nY: If you could do that.\nK: You had better make sure that your negotiator is more flexible than he has been.\nY: That's right. My friend feels we have to go ahead without Miti.\nK: I have to go to a meeting. I appreciate your call. We will see what happens.\nY: I would be most greax grateful if you could intervene.\nK: Let's see what happens. Good-bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPhil Geylin/Kissinger\n11:55 am\n12/8/70\nG: I wonder if we could have breakfast soon? I am going to Japan for 5 days to\nparticipate in a debate between me and the editorial page of Pravda.\nK: How about Monday? Meto politan Club at 8:00?\nG: Fine. I will be there.\nK: See how easy I am to get along with?\nG: It's been my experience all along.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Unger/Kissinger\n11:57 am\n12/8/70\nU: I am back this way week and probably most of next and I would like to talk about a\nlot of problems.\nK: I would love to see you. Let's set it up. I will have David Young set it up\nduring the next week.\nU: If the President has some time (because I would like to have a word with him\ntoo if I could.)\nK: I will do my best. he is not always very accessible.\nU: I know. If would be useful for me back there.\nK: Let me see if I can take you in for 5-10 mins if no formal appointment is\narranged.\nU: I will expect a call from Young. How have you been?\nK: Busy. But in good shape. Business goes with the job.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nU.A. Johnson/Kssinger\n5:40 pm\n12/8/70\nJ: My letter to Thurman on Cuba. With the addition of this word formal you have\nadded, I understand\nK: What's it say?\nJ: note formal. The position I maintained throughout is that there are no written\nagreements with the Soviet Union on this subject. Everything from you is approved\nexcept that''formal written agreements' have been added.\nK: What's the trouble with that?\nJ: They will ask what informal exchanges there are. We haven't exchanged, as for\nas I know, pieces of paper. Just records of conversations.\nK: Unsigned pieces of paper which they called oral notes.\nJ: I missed that.\nK: They are unsigned.\nJ: I don't consider that a written agræement of exchange.\nK: OK. It's safer to drop the word formal.\nJ: There were oral notes but I don't consider that written agreements of exchanges\nand raises the question of what they are. It makes itx the public statements as\nbeing -- see the sentence would read \"no formal written agreements or exchanges\ntxx other rt han those in public statements. 11 I don't consider XXX public statements\nas formal written agreements of exchanges. So I have taken the line there are\nno written agreements or exchanges.\nK: Drop the word formal.\nJ: This is the line I took with the House Foreign Affairs Committee.\nK: It's best to be consistent.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:45 pm\n12/8/70\nP: On that business of the prisoner thing. It won't come off ask if it's just an\nestimate of 10-1. What you have to do is to take a straight hard figure. 8200\ntrade for whatever it is. See what I mean? It won't make any points to say that.\nCan we get an estimate?\nK: We can get the exact figures.\nP: I need it because you see it's what will make the public impact. 8400 for\n400 or 7 600. We have offered to trade all but since we don't have the exact\nfigures it will be whatever.\nK: You will have it in an hour.\nP: No, tomorrow.\nK: First thing in the morning.\nP:: Bruce should have it too.\nK: We don't know the number they have since they have not given tx us the give figure:\nP: It doesn't make any difference because they will not do anything. If we can\nsay they haven't given the figures but it's our estimate that it's this many. With\nregard to this base in Cuba. I was of the opinion that the TASS thing they referred\nto the understanding that they hadn't referred to submarines being a base.\nK: They said they were not constructing submarine bases in Cuba.\nP: Was that new?\nK: xRhak they reaffirmed the 162 which referred to offensive missiles and extended\nit to submarine bases.\nP: It doesn't say that. My answer should say it reaffirms the agreement of '62.\nK: I have it and I will change that.\nP: I don;t think it's clear. The Soviet news agency asked issued a statement they\nare not building a military base on Cuba.\nK: They said military naval base.\nP: \"!? ? ? with regard to offensive ? ? ? on the island. ? ? ? \" See what I am\ngetting at?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:45 pm\n12/8/70\n-2-\nK: 162 that they agreed not to put offensive weapons on Cuba and TASS statement\nextended it to military naval base. That's new and they added that the to the\nunderstanding of '62.\nThat\nP: They will do it, No need to re-write it. Fine. Thak you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n12/8/70 6:00 p.m.\nK: How did the hearing go?\nR: I couldn't tell. I thought pretty well. The newspaper people\nthought it went pretty well.\nK: That means you did very well.\nR: Mel and I did a little soft-shue dance duet. I was calling you on\nanother subject.. But it worked out well. Mel qas quite cooperative.\nI've got a meeting with the General Advisory Committee on Arms Control.\nK: They are a pain.\nR: Aren't they? Has the President me t with them?\nK: He hasn't because he can't stand them to tell you the truth. He\nmet with them once and just to appease them met with McCloy another\ntime. But he hasn't for about 10 months now.\nR: They are urging me to recommend tb the President that we support\nWestern European unification and make our support more public.\nK: I don't see what business it is of theirs.\nR: That's right, and furthermore we are doing just what they want.\nK: Ажхинкехки The surest way to kill British entry is to support it.\nR: And they want us to assure a MIRV ban in SALT.\nK: They want to secure a production ban without a\n)\nban.\nand No scientist in the country agrees with that.\nR: I have got to go to the Foreign Relations Committee Thursday,\nbut I think this took the bloom off the rose. Case made an attack and I\nmade a little counter-attack.\nK: What was the issue?\nR: Cambodia. And he and Mel really got mad. They can't stand each other.\nK: I think he's a little neurotic.\nR: I said it is the policy of this Administration to make a full report\nto the Congress, but we are not going to tell the enemy everything we do.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Rogers\n12/8/70 6:00 p.m. page 2\nI said I think we've doone too much of that. So then he talked when it was\nhis turn about my commenting on \"Traitorous conduct. 11 I said what are\nyou talking about. I never said that; it never passe d through my mind.\nHex said maybe he shouldn't have used the word traitorous. I said that's\nthe kind of word that causes trouble. I said we tell the Congress every-\nthing we are doing but there are somet things we tell in executive session\nthat we aren't prepared to tell the enemy.\nK: Will I see you at dinner tonight?\nR: Yes.\nK: Good. Joe will tell you about the meeting with the King. It wasn't\nmuch.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZeigler/- k issinger\nmorning\n12/9/70\nZ: Is this party on for Moynihan?\nK: I have not been invited yet but I understand it is.\nZ: You will not be invited. It is on?\nK: That's my understanding.\nZ: Who's doing it?\nK: Rumsfeld.\nZ: Did you shave this morning?\nK: Yep.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBarbara Walters/Kisinger\n10:00 am\n12/9/70\nW: You worried about your beard?\nK: Ron Zeigler raised hell.\nW: He is jealous. We took our cameraman to see Gen. Haig and you looked\nfine. We wouldn't do it if not.\nK: Zeigler said no matter what the TV people say, it's awful to be unshaven.\nKx\nYou will look at it and tell me.\nW: Yes.\nK: You said if I didn't raise it too late about 1 or 2 questions, that bother me\nthere are two that bother me. You can salvage most. the comparison of students\nto Nazis sounds terrible no matter what I say.\nW: I will read that section to you when we get the transcript. when you said\n\"not the Nazi thugs. it\nK: It raises a lot of discussion. Just that sentence. We shouldn't raise that\nsword. And at the end I don't like the swinging things.\nW: Let's talk about that tomorrow night.\nK: That part where I say I was more resistable but just as charming two\nyears ago. People who don't know me willmnisunderstand.\nW: I like it because you are serious an unæpproachable and it's amusing.\nK: I don't care about that.\nW: Let's talk tomorrow.\nK: But on the Nazis --\nW: I agree. it will be misinterpreted.\nK: I said it was the government's responsibility to build bridges and I believe\nthat.\nW: I will delete that sentence and if it overlaps I will read the whole thing\nto you. It's cute and light so if we leave it in but I don't want to ask girly-\ngirly questions. Did you have a wonderful time at dinner? We are filming\nhim now.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nB. Walters/Kissinger\n10:00 am\n12/9/70\n-2-\nK: He is an engaging fellow. I don't think you are pro-Arab --\nW: I'm not but I would be sorry if something happened to KIX him. (Somehing\nabout whatever his nationality we need a few moderates over there.) We had\na phone call after you last night saying we could film him.\nK: I look forward to tomorrow.\nW: I will probably not go to the press conference. If the President called on\nme and not someone else from NBC there might be a problem.\nK: What room are you in?\nW: 5174-5176.\nK: Dinner at that place?\nW: Here at 8:00.\nK: I will be a little late. The press conference and then must talk to him at\nleast onee.\nW: Take your time. I will be in the room. If I go to the press conference I\nwill be late myself.\nK: Let me know if you are and I will call you before I leave.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHamilton Fish Armstrong/Kissinger\n10:45 am\n12/9/70\nK: I am so reassured that you are still talking to me.\nA: I know about how things are with your position.\nK: It's on ?????. If you had bex elected 3 more Republicans ????.\nA: I was disappointed but I am calling about a meeting of the editorial board\nfor Jan. 25. I wonder if there's an insupportable problem with your coming\nthat week?\nK: I don't think so.\nA: I hope you will be able to come.\nK: I will really try. Thank you for calling.\nA: These things don't interfere with my feelings.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nBill Safire/Mr. Kissinger\n12:00, December 9, 1970\nS:\nBarbara Walters fell in love with you. She thinks you are\ngreat; but I set her straight.\nK:\nYou know, to all these American girls, finding a man they\ncan't push around.\nI have fallen in love with your wife.\nS:\nI want to put together a group at home for dinner. What are\nyou doing December 22?\nK:\nI have a dinner. Is that coeducational? How about the 21st or\n23rd?\nS:\nI will put a hold on those two dates.\nK:\nMay I know whom you are going to ask. I accept first so that\nI am not trying to prescribe your guest list.\nS:\nI am thinking of one overseas guy like Brandon and one local\nguy like Kraft. Do you like Kraft?\nK:\nLet's see what he did in that article on me first -- it's coming\nout in Harpers. I get along with Kraft.\nS:\nHe needs work.\nK:\nI'm giving him a lot.\nS:\nHow about one of the Alsops? Have you been seeing them lately?\nK:\nI've been seeing more of Joe than Stewart. How about Stewart?\nS:\nI want to check with Haldeman on the people he thinks you\nshould be exposed to.\nK:\nIs this stag or mixed? Are you going to get me a girl?\nS:\nHow about Cassie Mackin?\nK:\nI like Cassie.\nS:\nOr the French girl who runs the Le Steak restaurant [did not\nget the name] ?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBill Safire/Mr. Kissinger\n12:00, December 9, 1970\n- 2 -\nK:\nI don't know her.\nS:\nWe don't have too many provocative glamour girls.\nK:\nI will have to import my own. I haven't seen Cassie in ages.\nS:\nYou should. She's a student of yours.\nK:\nI have a different technique from all of you -- unavailability.\nS:\nAnd you don't get an 'in'.\nK:\nBut people don't know that. Any American who is rejected\nthinks it is his or her fault. So Barbara Walters is well disposed.\nWhen did you see her?\nS:\nShe called me this morning.\nK:\nEither I like her, or she's a great actress.\nS:\nShe likes you.\nK:\nOkay; give me the date and time, and why don't you invite\nCassie Mackin. She's not the most exciting in the world, but I like\nher.\nS:\nHow about the/Rabins?\nK:\nI like him, but I don't know whether I want too much social\ncontact, given State feelings. I have no objections because I like him.\nS:\nLeave that to me.\nK:\nYou get your guest list -- I have always had a good time at\nyour parties. I like Hugh Sidey.\nS:\nI haven't had him in a long time.\nK:\nI am seeing him for lunch with him and Hedley Donovan today.\nS:\nAll right; I'll call you.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n12:20 pm\n12/9/70\nP:Nothing new today before I go to the EOB?\nK: No, there's nothing of any consequence. I am looking for my folder. No,\nthe Pakistani election came out in a way that Yahya didn't want. The\nautonomous party go t a large vote in East Pakistan and B\nin Cambodia.\n(this is last is what was said but I think HAK was referring to the Pakistani\nelection still and it was a slip.)\nP: He still has control of the Constitution.\nK: Not unless he uses strong arm methods. (something about East Pakistan\nvs. West Pakistan) So he cannot fool with the parties as he wanted. In\nCambodia the communists have started an attack x and have beaten up Cambodia.\nPerhaps se should have an airlift of the area. It's best to start our offensive\nor we will be in a rescue operation.\nP: In the paper there was something about Cambodians doing well.\nK: I don't know what it referred to. It was put out in Phnom Penh.\nP: We know what our facts are. No question of going forward if we can get\nthem to do it.\nK: I have talked to Laird and Moorer.\nP: That is it? They are with us? How about Abrams?\nK: I think so. We are getting additional x intelligence.\nP: Where would it go?\nK: The rubber plantation in the general area of the Fish Hook where wer were\nlast year.\nP: Are there North Vietnmaese there?\nK: It's the tip of their offensive. The good one is the one Haig will look into\nand they are making the plans on.\nP: We have to do both. This is the tip of the communist offensive?\nK: It's the tip where they go from the jungles to the plains. If we could set them\nback a bit but it's mostly a despoiling operation. Sould be able to do some\nwithin the week.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/\nk\nissinger\n12:20 pm\nXXx 12/9/70\n-2-\nP: In the meantime it's ? ? ? a psychological turn around.\nK: I had a fascinating cable from Ladd about the press which confirms what\nyou said. He thinks they are physiologically and psychologically sick. They\ndon't lie but select the facts in such a way that makes it sound that the leaders\nhave a vested interest in defeat. He briefs them regularly and thinks it's\nhopeless. He makes (or lacks) analysis. Show a strong operation and not\nputting clippings much in there. On such limits we are\n.\nThese are 1x01x in response\nto the ****** last week.\nP: Is Swank doing better then the other guy?\nK: That talk you had with him in San Clemente was very helpful. And it's\nhelped turn the State Dept. around because Marshall Green won't go against\nhis own Ambassador. The had the vote on Guinea and we abatained.\nKxx P: I saw that.\nK: That's not major.\nP: With regard to the Cambodian thing, any question about Moorer knowing\nabout the urgency I put on this problem?\nK: Absolutely not and I will call him again immediately.\nP: Any air needed, put it in there. On the infiltration, maybe you have to\nbang earlier.\nK: If the air lift is undertaken we may be to fly the planes for it.\nThatNo. That should be avoided. See what they can do on their own for a change.\nTheyxwill open a kxwbx whole can of worms.\nK: I favor the ground offensive over hte airlift because we don't want SVN\nunit trapped up there.\nP: Make sure they are going at break neck speed. Hit them before they hit\nus.\nK: Mel is aboard.\nP: How about another strike at the choke points? It's not fidle - dee-dee\nthis as before.\nK: We should wait on the choke points until after we have Laos completed\nbecause therexx it's most effective with that. The difficulty is that the grounds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n12:20 pm\n12/9/70\n-3-\nK: (cont) are wet so they must dry out a little before we can start the ground\noffensive so they can only trap a group here and there.\nP: They could ? ? ? ?\nK: 100 people. Lack of ability and leadership but they fight well. NVN\ncasualties are substantial.\nP: South Vietnamese too. How about having Ladd back over here and have\na talk with him? Have him come back with Haig. He needs time off, he's\n(been working very hard).\nK: You never met him.\nP: Never at all and I should talke with him. We are not going to loose this\nat this point. I don't want Americans on the ground in the north (?) but we\nwill do anything else. Bombing, whatever. They finally got under Bill's\nskin yesterday. x They crack him X too hard, he hits back.\nK: He is very tough. Much more then Mel. The dinner last night had a nice\nhuman touch.\nP: Means more to him than a division. That we care about him.\nK: The story you told at the end was very touching.\nP: They should get that out sometime.\nK: I did the taping for the TODAY show yesterday and said a lot of what you\ndo. They questions were very sympathetic. They will kaxxxxxx run it several\nmornings two weeks from now. Questions on how you work, etc.\nP: They like that. They are more interested in the man. On Cambodia thing,\nit was god good that Bill slapped back and said we are not telling you the plans.\nIt's about time someone said it. We constantly get this on our credibility gap.\nWhat do you hear?\nK: I don't think it's a problem. The people opposed to you are opposed because\nthey understand your program but they are opposed. Who today can remember\nwhat exactly ? ? ?? ? the Hanoi led. Laird has a tendency to be clever\nbut those are marginal problems. There is no credibility problem except\namong people opposed to us anyway.\nP: Fulbright was a great laugh because he said he had reason to know that\nthe Administration knew before the raid there were no prisoners there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n12/9/70\n12/20 pm\n-4-\nK: That's plain sick.\nP: Why risk 60 men.\nK: We could have done more damage with 4 bombs then with the whole raid.\nP: The other way he put it was that we knew that the enemy knew. If they\nhad known, there would be 60 XXXXXIX more dead Americans.\nK: It's absurd!\nP: It's typical of the crdibility gap thing. So let's keep the WH staff informed.\nThey get badgered by the press more. We have to constantly do it. On\nCambodia I get back to the fact for to win it. ******* Do they both understand?\nK: Yes. I talked with them after dinner last night. They are doing a first\ndraft and I will talk to them.\nP: South Vietnam will bomb in there. Tactical air and knock the hell out\nof them. Combined with national major strike.\nis a pretty big month.\nIt can only mean that they need them.\nK: They cannot replace the losses we consumed. If they keep up at this level\nthey are pointing towards a major offensive. They are probably planning a\nwallop against Cambodia but not South Vietnam -- They can't do enough\ndamage.\nP: We are doing nothing?\nK: That's what we are sending Haig out there for. So Abrams will know thexx\nthat you want him to launch XXXX spoiling operations.\nP: Get a message to Abrams from me on this point. Not from you or Laird\nor Moorer bur from me.\nK: This minute.\nP: It's of urgent importance and I have asked Haig to discuss it and it should\nbe done now. I don't need to see it. Good-by, Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAdmiral Moorer/Mr. Kissinger\n[paraphrased]\nDecember 9, 1970 3:30 p.m.\njlj\nK: The President is raising cain with me. He wants you to know that he\nhas no intention of losing Cambodia. Now that I have said this to you I\nought to tell you that I do not think\nairborne operation putting 15 men\non the ground.\ntremendous hit on marginal operation.\nM: I think we can do it without putting our men on the ground. We have had\nthe C-130s in Phnom Penh. I would like to come over and brief you on the\noperation.\nK: Yes, when?\nM: Anytime you are ready.\nK: Offensive going\nM:\nhave to check out the road routability but let me show you the\nplan.\nK: Do you want to go over it with just me or at the WSAG tomorrow when\nthey meet?\nM: That will be too late.\nK: OK. I have a meeting with the Vice President at 4 p.m. Do you\nwant to come over at 4:30?\nM: I'll be there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n4:56 pm\n12/9/70\nL: You called.\nK: I called because I talked with the President and he said is Laird clear\nthat I have no intention of loosing Cambodia? So I said you are clear. But\nI am letting you know now. Moorer is here, Packard is aware of this,\nto show me the plan.\nL: The plan we have is different than the one last night.\nK: You k no longer have ground personnel.\nL: They'11 be landing with the helicopters and C-130s. The one I have has\nno ground personnel.\nK: That's what Moorer has.\nL: The one tomorrow has ground personnel.\nK: For the 122\nL: 48 hours leeway. We have people landing with helicopters and C-130s. Ther\nare 15 people on the ground in addition to the crews.\nK: Do you have a plan that avoids that?\nL: Dave Packard * asked them for one an hour ago. We can do this in another\n30 days without using American air lift or C-130 but because of weather and\ndampness this particular plan if we put it in effectto fly on Sat., we XXXXXX loose\nthe Cambodian supplemental because it will concerna\nloan.\nK: That's the President's concern.\nL: I don't want to loos this money because we need it.\nK: That's the President's instruction and I wanted you r judgment.\nL: I am for doing everything the S. Vietnamese can do at the time. Tell the\nS. Vietnamese we have a political problem. Military assistance isk for\nCambodia -- we will loose Cambodia without this assistance.\nK: I will put it to the President on this basis.\nL: S. Vietnamese to do everything they can. We will give them the airlift\nafter Congress is out of here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n4:56 pm\n12/9/70\n-2-\nK: You are right. I will be back to you within two hours. Let's not do anything\nuntil after I have talked with the President.\nL: The President and Bill had breakfast. Bill says he agreed not to have more\nthan 12 men but to have helicopter lift. He says President doesn't want any\nAmericans on the ground whether ground or airlift personnel. He should let\nme know these things.\nK: On the 12 people, the President and Bill told me they did not raise a\nparticular figure. I called Bill within 5 mins. of talking to you and said you\ncan't tie Mel with a figure. People will scream credibility gap. He said\nhe never raised it. I said to the President the figure will be low but not\n12 and the President said yes.\nL: I talked to Bill and the 12 was there.\nK: He didn't say it, did he?\nL: No.\nK: I told him not to. I will taxkx take this to the President and call you\nbefore 7:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers\n7:46 p.m., December 9, 1970\nK:\nSorry, Bill. We have had a request by the Joint Chiefs about\nthe town of Kompong Cham in Cambodia which seems to be surrounded.\nThe Joint Chiefs are recommending that we airlift some 2300 Viet-\nnamese troops into there with American pilots. The pilots would\nleave but the troops would have to be supplied for 10 days. The\nPresident is working on his Press Conference and wanted me to get\nyour opinion.\nR:\nYou said airlift.. with what kind of planes.\nK:\nC-125's. Thirty-three planes will go in the first day, discharge\ntroops and leave; and every succeeding day, eight planes or so would\ncome in to replenish supplies.\nR:\nI wonder why the South Vietnamese can't fly these supplies in?\nThe Vietnamese have been flying a lot of those in.\nK:\nThey don't have the right kind of planes for that kind of airstrip --\nat least, Moorer says that is why.\nR:\nHow many planes are involved?\nK:\nThirty-three the first day and something on the order of 10 to\n15 on each succeeding day. The President wanted to know what your\nunderstanding of the Senators was. They wanted an answer by tonight.\nI have turned that off.\nR:\nLet me think about it for a little bit. I guess each one of these\nthings seems critical. And it's consistent with our interdiction of\nsupply lines, and the heart of the supply route into IV Corps area is\nthere. Would our pilots land and get out?\nK:\nOur experience has been you would have to count on some idiot\nin Defense goofing it up.\nR:\nAfter the planes land, they would leave?\nK:\nThere is only one landing strip so they have to get off the\nground.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers\n7:46 p.m., December 9, 1970\n- 2 -\nR:\nWell, we are flying planes into Phnom Penh now with\nequipment.\nK:\nThat is Moorer's point.\nR:\nThis is not much different. But with the continuing responsibility\nto resupply by landing, then we get into the area where the Senators\nsay you are going to get involved on the ground.\nK:\nThe President is not hell-bent on doing it, to put it mildly. He\nis saying it about the way you are. That is more or less my view, too.\nR:\nI think we have a chance on the supplemental -- Javits told me.\nAnd the House acted with tremendous speed.\nK:\nPassman promised he would do that.\nR:\nThere are a lot of them -- it was a 25 to 6 vote.\nK:\nIt would be terrific if we could get that. Why don't I check\nwith you in the morning on this other.\nR:\nI have to testify in the morning. Why don't we do it after I\ntestify to see how that goes. From the standpoint of the Administration\nand the President, if we could get the supplemental through it would\nbe worth a hell of a lot. This operation might affect it. Let's wait\na bit. I had a long briefing on Kompong Cham today. It's a key area\nbut I'm not sure the situation is all that critical.\nK:\nWe are thinking anyway of a land offensive as soon as the\nroads dry in that area. Okay, Bill.\nR:\nThanks, Henry.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nThe President\n12/9/70; 8:00 p. m.\nP: Moorer can prepare this operation in Cambodia in terms of airlifting.\nK: Which operation -- the one I mentioned to you?\nP: Of course, but in terms of airlifting supplies. If we airlift supplies\nthat's not a problem and the men just happened to be in the plane.\nK: Actually, Mr. President, I talked to Bill and to my amazement he\nwas leaning more towards it. He said he wanted to think about it.\nP: Call him and tell him that I had thought it xh through and I think we\nought to do it -- they can put a piece of cotton candy on the plane if they\nwant to. That goddamned Air Force we do it that way and they are\nnot to put out a press release -- can they do it and not put out an announce-\nment. That's what I mean. I think we ought to take a chance provided\nit is an airlift of supplies. They can airlift supplies - -- they are cargo\nplanes, aren't they?\nK: Right, they are cargo planes.\nP: And if there are a few forces on it, fuzz it up for a change.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Irwin/Kissinger\n12:42 pm\n12/9/70\nI: I just learned that Al Haig is going to S. E. Asia and I wondered if it were\nhelpful to have someone from Green's office to go.\nK: Let me check with him. It's entirely a military trip.\nI: I understand he is taking several of your staff members. I would be glad to\nask Marshall to send one.\nK: You are very delicate.\nI: It was a good meeting.\nK: Yes. I will see you tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDean Acheson/Kissinger\n3:06 pm\n12/9/60\nA: I thought our meeting went well the other day.\nK: So did I.\nA: We were all impressed on how clearly the President if came through. We\nconferred together for a moment or so to see what there was anything you\nwould want from us.\nK: Some concrete suggestions on leadership we could exercise in Europe\nright now especially with respect to Ost-Politik which I think is a disaster.\nBrandt is sincere but there are a lot of sincere fools in the world.\nA: I wish there were some Machivellian fools. What you would like specifically\nis specific suggestions on what we can to and la how. Especially about Brandt\nand Ost-Politik. I will talk to McCloy.\nK: That's fine and we are always glad to hear from you separately.\nA: Perhaps I will do that. We didn't want to do something useless.\nK: I find we are having lunch Tuesday.\nA: That's correct. I felt I should get to it before that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSenator Frank Church/Mr. Kissinger\n(paraphrased)\nDecember 9, 1970\n3:40\np.m.\njlj\nC: Hello Henry.\nK: Hello Frank.\nC: Henry, I have got your good letter and wanted to invite you to come\nover and have lunch with me.\nK: I would love to do that. When did you have in mind? How much longer\nare you going to be in session?\nC: Who knows. Probably until Christmas Eve. Mansfield is talking about\nthe 19th.\nK: How about Friday the 18th or is that too close.\nC: Let me check. That would be fine with me.\nK: I will meet you at 1 p.m.\nC: Come up to the Capitol and I will meet you in my office and we will eat\nhere or someplace close.\nK: OK. I look forward to it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Henry Rowan (President of Rand)/Mr. Kissinger\n(paraphrased)\nDecember 9, 1970\n4 p.m.\njlj\nR: I do not want to take your time now but I am calling to tell you that\nRand has been involved on Defense planning of various things in the Defense\nDepartment. Some things are being done that may be of use to you and I\nam just calling to offer help such as you are capable of using and we can give.\nfinding out issues - broad or narrow - what problems you have and\nwhat your staff needs help on and match these up with what Rand can provide.\nK: Let me talk to Wayne Smith about this. We have needs but it is the\nproblem of defining them. Perhaps when I am in California between\nChristmas and New Years we can get together and you can brief me.\nR: I would be very happy to do that.\nK: The secondx two are not mutually exclusive.\nR: There are areas in DOD that we know about\nK: Why don't you write me about what you think they are. I need questions\nmore than I need answers. I need answers too but I need questions a hell\nof a lot more. Can't tell if I need answers until I get questions.\nR: I will write you and outline what I think.\nK: Thanks.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n5:10 p.m., December 9, 1970\nR:\nHi, Henry. I met with Jack McCloy's group today. He's a\nterrible bore. He started out by saying you had gotten him in to see\nthe President.\nK:\nHe was bugging the daylights out of me.\nR:\nHe gave a long song and dance in front of the committee.\nK:\nHe requested it in writing. I didn't take the initiative.\nR:\nHe talked and talked. He apparently doesn't know what is\ngoing on. He should have made his point six months ago.\nK:\nThe President was shocked -- he said doesn't he know what\nis going on.\nR:\nOn the European Community, we had been told to do exactly\nwhat we are doing. They don't want us to say anything. I said why\nshould we say anything.\nK:\nHeath would be outraged.\nR:\nOf course. And Pompidou. The only problem seems to be\nBritish public opinion.\nK:\nI can assure you that McCloy was bugging the daylights out\nof me about coming in with his whole committee. The President said\nbring him alone and two or three others of that group, and I can kill\na few birds with one stone.\nR:\nHe said , I we didn't talk about arms limitation.' He wants\nthe committee to do that after the first of the year.\nK:\nIt's out of the question.\nR:\nHe said only one mention was made of SALT. The President\nhad said he still hoped there was the possibility of working on an\nagreement.\nK.\nI don't know why he has to report to the committee about a\nprivate meeting with the President.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n5:10 p. m., December 9, 1970\n- 2 -\nR:\nHe was explaining to the committee how he happened to be\nin this meeting. He said, 'I was talking to Henry about Germany\nand my concerns, and Henry said you should talk to the President\nabout that. I He went over the whole business in front of the\ncommittee. He said he wanted this whole group to know about it,\nand said he wanted the committee to meet with the President on\nSALT after the first of the year.\nK:\nIt's out of the question. I told him.\nR:\nCommittees are a pain in the neck anyway.\nK:\nThat committee in particular has contributed nothing.\nR:\nThis one will cause trouble on MIRV.\nK:\nThey are fanatics about it.\nR:\nHe wanted to talk at length. I just listened. I wanted you\nto know about it.\nK:\nThe fact that the Russians haven't agreed doesn't bother them.\nYou know, the luckiest thing that happened to you was when Scranton\nhad that nervous greakdown when you offered him a job.\nR:\nRight. That was a good, quick dinner last night, wasn't it?\nK:\nSeeley acquitted himself well. He was very good during the\nJordanian crisis.\nR:\nAll right, Henry. I just wanted you to know this.\nK:\nI'll be talking to you.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nSecretary Laird\n12/9/70; 8:05 p.m.\nK: I want you to know if I read a favorable profile on you in TIME-LIFE\nI know what happened. You are screwing up Hedley Donovan, aren't you?\nIs he with you now?\nL: Yes.\nK: On that matter I discussed with you this afternoon -- first he (President)\nwas negative now he just called me back and he is a little more positive\nnow. But I don't think we should shoot from the hip on it. I also talked\nto Bill and he is not entirely opposed to it.\nL: I can talk now.\nK: Bill would not mind having a one time airlift for the troops in there.\nThe President doesn't mind supplying them but he is a little more leery\nabout troop movements but he said we could fuzz it up\nL: Why don't we wait until the morning.\nK: All we have to do now is not turn it off.\nL: I have not. I sent that message.\nK: I just wanted to get back to you as I said I would. I will talk to you\ntomorrow. If they make you man of the year, I will now what happened.\nL: GOOD NIGHT, HENRY !!\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. 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I hope to see you and Alice soon.\nM: Will you be here for the next month?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nB. McDonnel/Kissinger\nmorning\n12/10/70\n- -2-\nK: Except between Christmas and New Years.\nM: Going to Calif. ?\nK: Yes.\nM: Good.\nK: Will you call me?\nM: I will figure out something.\nK: I will do what I can.\nM: No, I don't want you to do that. I don't like the position you find yourself in.\nYou heard me!\nK: I will hear from you then.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Volpe\n12/10/70 9:00 a.m.\nK: We have got to have a disposition of these Coast Guard people by\nnoon so the President can give an answer to the press conference.\nV: What kind of answer would you like?\nK: If you are not going to court martial them, are you going to take\nadministrative action?\nV: They resumed the hearings Monday noon to question a few additional\nwitnesses about some points which arose when the transcripts were being re-\nviewed over the weekend. The full hearing was concluded the night before\nlast. They have been reviewing it yesterday and this morning. The Assistant\nCommandant has got to have at least 48 hours to review it himself.\nK: Will you give us an answer the President can give tonight. We are\ndetermined that this is not going to be waffled.\nV: We are not going to waffle it! But we've got to take some care in\ngoing over this.\nK: But his problem is he's going to be on nationwide television at 7:00\ntonight and he's got to have a precise answer.\nV: What we will do is to phrase it in a way that says something positive,\nbut the press has already placed the blame. The Calley trial has been going\noń for a year and a half now but the press has already determined who was\nwrong. Under the Military Code of Ethics\nthese guys have already been\nhurt pretty badly. There's one Admiral who's already been killed by this\nhe was about to retire in six months. He's got to be given a fair hearing.\nK: Can you give me a question and answer which is as forthcoming as\npossible and will satisfy the people that the President is on top of it? I was\nunder the impression that the decision had been made already not to court\nmartial them.\nV: No, that's not so. I'll get you the type of question the press is likely\nto ask and my recommendation for an answer by noon.\nK: That will be fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nDean Dunlop\n(Dean of Faculty, Harvard)\n12/10/70 10:10 a. m.\nK: Two things. One, I sent you a letter about four weeks ago\nD: I know. I have it and was going to be in touch with you. I have a\ngood idea what the answer is going to be, but I can't do anything formal here.\nI am going to be in Washington tomorrow; I can bring you the answer.\nK: I assume the answer is going to be no.\nD: I talked with Nate. He does not wish to make an exception, but\nin view of your eminence and distinction he thought that up to some period,\nsuch as the elections of '72 the people involved would be glad to have you\nback. I took it to Sam and he talked to 10 tenured members of the depart-\nment and they were all perfectly enthusiastic and willing to do that. The\nquestion I am not clear about is whether to have the department vote it. I\ntalked to your old friend at the Center and he is not that enthusiastic about\nit. Not that he doesn't want you back, but he wouldn't want any discrimin-\natory treatment given to you when it wasn't given to him.\nK: I don't think he carries that much weight, does he?\nD: No, not in the department, but in the Center.\nK: I don't care that much about the Center.\nD: I think the department is the key thing and I will let you know by\nnote tomorrow what they've done. I think for some period not for eternity.\nK: No, I wouldn't want it that way.\nD: What I envisage is that your resignation would be effective the second\nterm, and I wouldn't want this note known about publicly. I can put in your\nfile that the department of government has indicated that up to the Fall of\n1972, if you wanted to return they would be only too delighted to have you back.\nK: That is a very generous way of dealing with it and more than I thought\npossible.\nD: Nate encouraged that.\nK: I will write you a formal letter I suppose, but can that wait until\nearly January?\nD: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nDean Dunlop\n12/10/70 10:10 a. m. page 2\nK: Because now I know what to talk about here.\nD: I'll let you have the formal position tomorrow.\nK: Good. Second, I talked to the Vice President about your proposal.\nHe would be happy to talk to you and anyone you wanted along about the\nidea. He certainly didn't object to it. He promised me yesterday his of-\nfice would get in touch with you. But if they don't within the next couple\nof days, why don't you call them. As a joke he said, \"I hope they are not\ngoing to suggest Papandreou as the head\n\"\nD: Oh no!\nK: It was just a joke.\nD: I understand. This is more on the history and literature side.\nK: He realizes that.\nD: So Paul Buck and I should go down and see him directly?\nK: I think that's the best way to do it.\nD: Will you be in Washington tomorrow?\nK: Yes.\nD: If I get this letter tomorrow I will bring it to you. I have an 8:30\nappointment with George Shultz tomorrow.\nK: Why don't you stop by?\nD: Okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSANITIZED COPY\nTelecon (summary)\nWalter Kissinger\n12/10/70\nHK: You personally?\nHK: I will look into it. I think it's a bad idea.\nHK: But I'm thinking of what will happen in the next election year.\nHK: Yes, very easily. I will do that.\nSANITIZED\nPer Sec. 3.3(b)(1)(6)\nPer Ltr. 2/17/2012\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nBy JMR\nNARA, Date 4/23/2012\n[p.1 of 1] 1]\nSANITIZED COPY\nLibrary\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Admiral Moorer\n10:38 a. m., December 10, 1970\nK:\nHow are you? I wonder whether you would be able to come\nover around noon to go over the operations just so we know where we\nstand now. Or 12:30 if that's better for you.\nM:\nNoon is okay. Have your office call.\nK:\nLet's say noon unless you hear from me. We can review\none or two of the others also.\nM:\nYou want to talk about the one we discussed yesterday?\nK:\nYes, and have a few brief words about the issues of the\nother two.\nM:\nAll right.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Packard/Kissinger\n10:45 am\n12/10/70\nK: The reason I am so late getting to you, I pushed every light button it\nshows you how intelligent and efficient my office staff is. Where do we stand\nwith Jordan?\nP: That worked out all right. I have a package put together where we can supply\nM-61 tanks which they can have in 30-60 days. That's not what they need but\nthey are modern tanks and we can get them there quickly. We have\nM-16 rifles we can supply in 60 days. And the possibility of radar. About\n26 million all together to be shipped in 30-60 days. This is going to take the\nauthority of the President which says we deliver the equipment and get\nrepaid later.\nK: We will do that.\nP: I talked to Sisco and told him what we have.\nK: You will tell the Jordanians that?\nP: We will get them over today and\nit up.\nK: You always come through. Second, I have aad an irate call from the\nAtty. Gen. About what he claims is a Pentagon leak of Verification Panel\ndiscussions. The President is apt to do something dramatic to someone soon\non these.\nP: About the DC\nI don't know where they came from.\nK: If we could tighten up procedures in all departments.\nP: We will. There are so many people around here. I have a memo with one\nof my boys on a finance matter that got a full column in Jack Anderson.\nK: The President doesn't know about this yet and it may not get to him. I\ncertainly won't tell him.\nP: We will have to ride with them. We are just as concerned.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Pauls/Kissinger\n10:50 am\n12/10/70\nP: I haven't seen you in so long a time and I would like to see you as soon\nas possible.\nK: What have you heard about me?\nP: Many things. Mostly good.\nK: Anything relevant to the Federal Republic?\nP: Maybe we can talk about it. I had asked for an appointment. Your office\njust called to say Thurs., the 17th.\nK: Is that all right?\nP: It's all right if you cannot make it earlier. If you cannot, let's make it\nthe 17th.\nK: I don't have my calandar.\nP: Your time is so 08 occupied so I don't want to bother you. I want to talk to yc\nK: Have some of your politicians been screaming again?\nP: There are a number of points of common interest and I would like to see you\nalone.\nK: Certainly.\nP: If you cannot make it earlier we will make it the 17th.\nK: We will make it earlier.\nP: On the 15th I am in Newpart. But I am here Mon. or Wed. I just wanted\nto let you know we will do it as soon as possible.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSaid Rifai/Kissinger\n11:00 am\n12/10/70\nK: I enjoyed sitting next to you the other day. I talked to our people. I have rea\nson to believe that they will make a proposition to you today. Willnot meet\nall your immediate requirements but will go far to be helpful. I repeated your\npoint about the radar situation. I think we will do that. We can give you an\ninitial quantity of tanks that XXEX will fill out your order. I think you should\nknow the WH took an interest in this and I would appreciate you r letting His\nMajesty know that the President took an interest in this matter.\nR: I will pass that along to His Majesty as soon as possible.\nK: We think you will find your visit useful.\nR: Thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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