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Telecon Mr. Kissinger Secretary Rogers 12/21/70; 8:10 p.m. K: I hope you are not as partied out as I am. R: Just about. I just spoke to the President SO K: You mean on the Ivanov thing? His understanding is that you will tell Dobrynin he will be released early in the year. R: After the Congress is gone. Okay, Henry. The only problem on the strikes on the SAMS Jesus Christ I hope they are more effective than they usually are. How large? K: It's a one hour operation and not going to use a lot of planes. R: The only reservation I have for not doing it is just how effective are they? I have a feeling that they kid us about it. K: I feel we have not always had accurate reports. We should certainly not let them go back to the same three in a very short time. R: On the policy I have no doubt about it. I thought what the President said at the press conference was very good and as long as we say they continue to fire on our reconnaissance planes I don't think we have a problem. K: I was interested when Cooper and Aiken were here and they did not seem to have a problem. R: My only problem is if it's good. (I missed a part here about a conver- sation with someone.) It's floating all over town. K: I hit the Acheson point very well. I said when we have something to say the Secretary of State will say it. R: I think it's fine and I wish they would quit sending so many people over here. K: He claims that F put him up to it. R: I think it's fine. We will see how the stories come out. I thought the President looked a little tired. I hope he is alright. K: I wasn't there. I think he ought to get away. He has not really been away since the election.

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