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Telecon Secretary Rogers 12/23/70 page 2 K: And then they don't feel SO frustrated either. R: No, and on that. I was in a bit of a jam with an answer I gave be- cause I sounded as if I was saying the understandings were no longer in effect. Fortunately because we were on the same subject the whole time Hightower asked that question and I was able to straighten it out. I said we continue in the understanding, but I don't see why we should be stuck forever with these understandings. K: What I liked best and the President likedf was when you said "If there are no understandings there are no restraints. 11 The President mentioned to me the Ivanov case -- all he is concerned about is the Russians should be told before Christmas. K: He told me that. I am meeting with Dobrynin tomorrow and I will teld him. K: That's fine. He doesn't care about the time of the release; just the time of notifying Dobrynin that it will happen. R: I've got him coming in tomorrow for that purpose. I'm going to try to keep it off the record because that's the purpose of my meeting with him. K: Good. Marvelous. R: Okay, thank you Henry.

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