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    "ocrText": "TELECON\nJoe Sisco\n3/11/71 11:46 a. m.\nK: I wanted you to know I talked to the Radcliffe Dean and she was\ngoing this afternoon to an Admissions Committee meeting.\nS: I am most græateful.\nK: I don't know what it will do.\nS: No but I don't want to be unfair and presume on my friends and no\nma tter how it comes out I am most grateful and June is too.\nK: I talked to Tom Braden last night at a party and he said you laid out\nthe whole thing to him.\nS: I laid out thepast XXX he got a lot of details. He's getting good\nbriefings.\nK: I didn't let myself be drawn into it.\nS: I tood a map and said here is Rogers' proporal -- not pressing Israel\nto\ntotal withdrawal to pre-June 5 lines. Not pressing them to 1957\nK: He was impressed. He was going to do a column saying if there were\npeace in the Midde East it was all because of Joe Sisco.\nS: Don't let him do that! There will be plenty of opportunity for everyone\nto get credit if it works and plenty of running when the cream is on my face.\nK: You and I are in the same position on that.\nS: I'm in the same position in the Middle East as you are in Southeast Asia.\nK: Except that four=fifths of the town is rooting for the North Vietnamese\nfor that reason.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nU.A. Johnson/Kissinger\n11:50 a. m.\n3/11/71\nJ: How are things over there?\nK: Not favorable.\nJ: That telegram didn't help?\nK: No.\nJ: I hoped it would.\nnot\nK: I am xxone of the principle factors in the decisions any more.\nJ: He is not asking on this one.\nK: Whoever leaked that Rogers and I were together didn't help.\nJ: Rogers, Stans and you are the good guys. Stans got his denial out. He said\nhe took no position on this.\nK: The President is talking to John Burns. A number are pushing hard against\nquota legislations now.\nJ: That would be a help if we could get away with that.\nK: But we can't help a scorcher on the Agreement. The oother thing I have been\nasked to do and it's something I have to be able to work with XX you but I have\nbeen told not to is he wants a hard letter to Sato through extra-diplomatic channels.\nSay we had an agreement. Yours is not acceptable and we delivered on our part.\nI am aware of what this might do if we turn the screw too hard. Could you draft\na letter? I don't want to do it unilaterally althogux although that's my instruction.\nJ: All right.\nK: The toughest letter the traffic will bear.\nJ: I told Peter this morning --\nK: I don't think he knows about this.\nJ: No, I told him the worst MXXX of all possible worlds is directly breaking off of\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nU.A. Johnson/Kissinger\n11:50 a. m.\n3/11/71\n-20\nJ: (cont) negotiations tied to legislation. If he is not going on that it would help.\nK: I will work on that. Sato's statement to Meyer was cynical. I can't believe\nthat.\nJ: I don't know the Midi bureaucracy. We have an industry on either end with a\nduxx suicidal tendency.\nK: Ours a bit overplayed their plan yesterday. So you know they get out in front\non legislation and then we don't get credit for us. Could you have so mething to\nus by 3:00?\nJ: I can.\nK: Your old letter isn't bad if you could toughen it up.\nJ: I was thinking of that. I will draft on the assumption legislation will not\ngo up.\nK: They are meeting now and I will keep ** you informed. Could we keep it to\noursleves? You could tell the Secy. but on our basis and ask him not to go to\nthe President.\nJ: He won't. I will assume no legislation.\nK: I will let you know.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n12:00 noon 3/11/71\nK: Just one thing. The President wants to send Haig to VN next week. It's\nnot to second guess the military.\nL: I just xlondw didn't want it when --\nK: You were right. It would have been the wrong moment. It would have been\npanicked. He wants a feel for the longer term.\nL: You know how I feel about Al.\nK: So if it's all right we will lay it on.\nL: We will take care of over here. I will tell Moorer.\nK: We are going to send a decision memo out on SALT which takes in most of\nyour recommendations. We cannot accept NCDA completely but we are going\nto ask him to ? ? ? ? the other one.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n12:35 p.m, March 11, 1971\nR:\nDid you get your hair cut? I wanted to suggest to you that\nwe have a National Security Council meeting on China representation\nsoon. The issue is building up. We are under pressure by the U.K.\nK:\nOne of the views at the SRG was we didn't need a meeting.\nR:\nI didn't realize there was an agreement.\nK:\nWe could schedule it most conveniently on the 25th when we\nalready have a meeting scheduled. Do you think it could hold until\nthen.\nR:\nI'm afraid not.\nK:\nWe'll do it next week.\nR:\nThere are two questions -- I have prepared a speech. If we\ndecide to go that way, it's a good speech, with regard to universality.\nK:\nIt will have such consequences we should talk about it. I was\nleaning toward universality.\nR:\nThere are a lot of arguments against it. We have to start with\nthe proposition that however we do it, we will lose in all probability.\nIt is probable that Mainland China will be admitted and Taiwan expelled,\nif not this year, then the following year. We haven't taken polls of our\nfriends this time. It could slip and go against us this fall, but\ncertainly the following year. The universaility thing is the right policy.\nWe should have followed it sometime back.\nK:\nIt will get us into problems with the Koreans.\nR:\nNot particularly attractive is the fact that if we change the\npolicy and go through the throes of that, we still are going to get licked.\nPeople will say you not only lost your friends but were defeated in any\nevent. You can make the argument that it is better to be defeated if\nyou have a good policy.\nK:\nWhen is your speech?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n12:35 p.m., March 11, 1971\n- 2 -\nR:\nI haven't scheduled it. It's just a draft. If I did it, I wouldn't\nwant to do it until after the Korean elections in May sometime, but\nit's urgent to start talking. We have begun to do that on a preliminary\nbasis.\nK:\nMy feeling is similar to yours. Can we use the tactical advantage\nof getting off the present position. If it is leaked anyway, it may be\nbetter to get it leaked on that.\nR:\nWe should talk about it and have preliminary discussions\nwith other nations about it.\nK:\nThere's an NSC on the 25th. Let me see if I can get it moved\nto the 18th.\nR:\nOn the speech with regard to universality, I have included that\nwe would like to have both Vietnams, both Koreas, both Germanys.\nBut I have included a lot of caveats.\nK:\nIf we had done it two years ago, it would have been a brilliant\nposition -- very forward-looking.\nR:\nThe difficulty is if it's licked this year, it would mean we got\ndefeated and have a bad policy, too. Nobody favors it really. Of\ncourse, the President's statements lately are all in the direction of\nK:\nI had two other things. (1) I had accepted weeks ago a luncheon\ninvitation with Bogdan. I have no business; it's purely social. If\nthere is any business discussed, I will let you know.\nR:\nHe was here the other day.\nK:\nI have been raising hell here for XXXX accepting, because I\ndon't have anything to discuss. (2) About Korry in Chile, I am worried\nthat he is dangerous.\nR:\nI told them to go ahead with the nomination for his successor.\nK:\nWe ought to find some job for him. I am terrified of his\nknowledge of some of these considerations in the 40 Committee and\nwhat he will do when he is defected. I don't like him; he has been a\ndisaster there. If you could consider this\nHe sat in on two 40\nCommittee meetings when we discussed parliamentary ratifaction.\nHe sent a long backchannel of what to do. He is nutty enough to write\na long expose. He is broke, too.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n12:35 p. m., March 11, 1971\n- 3 -\nR:\nI agree with you. He is nuts. He is now sounding off on how\nmuch he favored the visit of the Enterprise. He had told us he was\nagainst it.\nK:\nHe always has two cables in the works.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nC05098107\nSANITIZED COPY\nEO 13526 3.3(b)(1)>25Yrs\nTELECON\nAlex Johnson\n3/11/71 p.m.\nJ: You got my draft?\nK: Yes, I'm just back from lunch and I see it here.\nJ: All right. Peter is seeing Kuroda right now -- Ushiba is out of\ntown -- and they are issuing a statement at 4:15.\nK: Have you seen it?\nJ: Yes.\nK: What do you think out of our\nANITIZED\nJ: Yes, I've said what I think previously. I don't think I need to say\nmore. As far as a message is concerned it's important to get it in hishands\nby morning there. If this is to have any effect he should have it when he gets\nup.\nX-X\nJ: No, you can't. you can, but Armin has to deliver it. There are no\nchannels to him except Armin in Tokyo -- he should understand that.\nP: He will this is tough.\nJ: Yes.\nK: Tougher than it was.\nJ: Yes it is.\nK: We owe this to Connally -- we had it toned down.\nJ: It seems to me the adds are long that Sato will just resign. This is\nvertually an untimatum. I would say the odds are in favor of his resigning.\nBut I'm no longer arguing about that.\nK: This is tougher than what we started out with. It was finally done butween\nConnally, Flanigan and the President.\nJ: I won't say anything more. But I think whatever we do\nK: Let me talk to the President wherever he is and tell him\nhave to\nput it to him in a very cautious way. Your judgment is if there is a personal\nme ssage we better get it out there in the next few hours.\nE.O. 13523, Section 3.5\nDeR 3.3(b)(1)(b); HR. 2/22/13\nBy MIH JS NARA, Date 6/23/15\nNIN 08-08/2126 P. lofz\nRepr Library\nSANITIZED.COPY SANITIZED.COPY SANITIZED.COPY\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nC05098107\nTELECON\nAlex Johnson\n3/11/71 p.m.\nJ: Within the next one or two they'll be ringing him up in the middle of\nthe night.\nK: Do we want a Japanese Prime Minister to resign over the god-damned\ntextile issue?\nJ:\nK: It won't be pretty will it?\nJ: Not pretty at all. I have drafted a very tough one but it does have the\nvalue of being person to person.\nK: Let me see whethe r I can get it cleared within the next hour. He's got to\ntake out word for it that it's tough enough.\nJ: I drafted it without seeing the press release.\nK: If you don't hear from me within the next 15 minutes I will be getting\nin touch with the President.\nJ: Okay Henry\nK: Good, thank you Alex.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be 08/212\np.2af2\nTELCON\nJohnson/Kissinger\n3:00 ish p.m.\n3/11/71\nK: Two things. The President is on his way back and wont be in until 5:00 and I\nwill authorize an adaptation of it. We have to get it off because Flanigan is seeing\nhem now and probably handing it to them. I have edited it to X register previous\nunderstandings.\nJ: It's already plagued relations too long.\nK: I will send it to you in 5 mins. I wanted to check with you -- did you write\nthis knowing we are supporting textile legislation?\nJ: No, I understood we were not.\nK: You have seen the statement?\nJ: On that --\nK: I will have to change the one sentence.\nJ: I am sorry. I now-see Whex we are supporting something but I don't know\nwhat. It disappears --\nK: Окхухи Where you say that controls are not administered that meet our needs\nhere. That has to go.\nJ: Yes it does. Let's be clear. The statement itself -- let me get the text.\nI just have to take that out. The last clause. I talked to Peter about that\nsentence. They really weren't very clear about it. What he did say was that\nthe President wants to go to other countries and get agreements but better than\nwe have here. I said let's talk about that tomorrow. Just eleiminate that clause.\nK: I will send over the slightly edited version or read it to you. I am getting\nit typed now.\nKxx J: I will get a girl on the phone.\nK: Period after mutually satisfactory problem. And then take out at head and\nsay \"already then the issues had\ntheir countries far too long and ? ? ?\nhad not been realized. 11 \"Your message of March 8\" I would begin \"At the time\nI received your measage of March 8 as well as that statement of the Japan\nTextile ? ? ? ? ? \"It had been my impression that ? ? 11\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJohnson/Kissinger\n3:00 ish p.m. 3/11/71\n-2-\nJ: \"???? were finally making some real progress. 11\nK: \"and the two statements thus came as a complete surprise. 11\nJ: As you note, these statements were promptly ?????\nK: You send it out and we will hang together. The title is the only thing that ? ?\nJ: I will send this for immediate delivery.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nB. McDonnell/Kissinger\n3:07 p.m.\n3/11/71\nK: What's your view on Japanese textile issue?\nM: We have a big issue.\nK: You should join my staff. You are talking about like a staff member.\nM: I have bad news. Tom Davidson talked with McCrory at the Star and she called\nme for a statement. I danik didn't give it.\nK: Is he a conspirator?\nM: Not indicted co-conspirator.\nK: All right.\nM: It's not all right.\nK: What can I say? I met with him.\nM: I guess what I want to say is that I feel had.\nK: Is he quoting me?\nM: I don't think 00.\nK: I wish the word of honor of some of htese people would mean something.\nM: It cancels my ability to be able to do that again in my own head. I mean it.\nK: What's wrong with my meeting with people? Some of my colleagues will get\nrestive.\nM: I also need advice. I am saying no statement. If that -- the other feeling I\nhad, it was a personal meeting and it was agreed no press coverage. Thaklex\nK: That's best. I will say nothing.\nM: I am more upset then --\nK: I have weathered worse things.\nM: You don't need --\nK: So long as there are no legal problems.\nM: none. On textiles, can't you get them to agree? Our men don't leave you mach\nroom.\nK: No, the Japanese. I think it's a great human pity they did this. In the Star\ntoday?\nM: Tomorrow probably. She is calling.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMcDonnel/Kissinger\n3:07 p.m.\n3/11/71\n-2-\nK: It's a personal meeting which you arranged and you are not at liberty\nto speak about it.\nM: OK\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHaldeman/Kissinger\n4:00 p.m.\n3/01/71\nH: Are you back?\nH: Yes.\nK: I wanted you down there.\nH: I just got word of your call when I returned.\nK Is the President back? I didn't want to talk on the helicopter. the President\nwanted me to have a letter to Sato for him in the morning but with the statement\nbeing issued this afternoon so if letter didn't go it would --\nH: He is calling now.\nK: I will take it into him now.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcNamara/Kissinger\n5:00 p.m.\n3/11/71\nK: That matter you talked to me about the other day. I raised it with my boss and\nhe said there's nothing to it. He would be honored if you are willing to keep it.\nIt's entirely up to you and the rumor is total nonsense. He might even drop you a\nnote to that effect.\nM: I didn't mean --\nK: I didn't make a big affair of it. I just raised it and said you offered that\nif he thought it was that sort of position you would leave it now.\nM: I don't want to be a lame duck here. Youneed a power base to get things done.\nK: I wouldn't be surprised if he went you a note.\nM: I nearly wrote him one yesterday. On that Sulzberger article --\nK: Why don't you write him?\nM: I don't want to appear to be praising him in that atmosphere.\nK: I think he has written you.\nM ; I will wait until I get it. I really felt for him when he said that the foundati\nof foreign policy from the Second World War through the Johnson era that really\nsak shaped ? ? ? ? had defended him. I thought it was a cry for help and I wanted\nto respond.\nK: On the human level I think it would be good to write in in response to him.\nM: You tell him and I will write it.\nK: I will tell him. It would mean a lot if you wrote it. He has too little of\nthat since he has been here. He was shocked at the suggestion when I said it to him.\nM: I am pleased. The specific words were that the reporter had it on high WH\nauthority.\nK: He is sending you a copy of thw World Report with a personal letter and he is not\ndoing that to many. He said to tell you at the earliest opportunity. Hope to see\nyou soon.\nM: I will write it but you tell him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\n2 ON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMary McGrory/Mr. Kissinger\n5:00 p.m., March 11, 1971\nM:\nHow are you?\nK:\nI have missed seeing you. I don't get invited Chez McGrory\nany more.\nM:\nYou are too busy running around town.\nK:\nIf I did everything they say in the papers, I would have a heart\nattack. Incidentally, one thing I have on my mind is Joe Kraft said XX\nI\nhad met Sam Brown and company at your house.\nM:\nThe people in Cambridge told me about that, Henry.\nK:\nIt's conceivable I told it to a colleague. But I never said it to\na press person. It's a point of honor.\nM:\nIt's a point of honor with me too.\nK:\nI know you wouldn't tell the press.\nM:\nI'm calling about another meeting. I heard about your meeting\nwith the co-conspirators. I wonder if you have anything to say.\nK:\nI don't really think so. It was arranged by Brian McDonnell\nwhom I like. I don't feel I want to talk about it. I much prefer that\nit not be written about.\nM:\nIt won't hold in that group.\nK:\nI had never met them. We made an agreement it would be on a human\nlevel without any publicity. But I will leave that aside.\nM:\nThey have the impression you did not expect to discuss it, but\nthey were free to after a couple of days or so. That was their impression.\nK:\nThey are honorable people. It was a honest misunderstanding. That\nwas not my impression and not Brian's, but it could easily have happened.\nM:\nVery well. It sounds very cordial and pleasant.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMary McGrory/Mr. Kissinger\n5:00 p. m., March 11, 1971\n- 2 -\nK:\nI felt it was a very warm meeting.\nM:\nThey are kind of touching people, I think.\nK:\nThis is not for quotation, but I think they are very impressive\nhuman beings. Just as that fierce young friend of yours is -- David\nHawk.\nSANITIZED\nK:\nIf you ever want to get together alone or in a group, I would\nbe delighted to do it.\nM:\nThat is nice to know. Thank you for talking to me.\nK:\nAs far as I am concerned, I'd just as soon not have anything\nwritten, but I leave it to your judgment.\nM:\nThank you.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAlex Johnson\n3/11/71 5:08 p.m.\nK: The President was very pleased with the letter.\nJ: Oh fine, good.\nK: No problem with delivering it through the Ambassador either.\nJ: That's good too. I had Bill Breer sit in on Peter's conversation\nand he's on his way back over now to have Peter clear the reporting cable.\nI asked him to drop a copy by your office.\nK: Great.\nJ: Peter has not yet seen it. And do you want our copy of the telegram?\nK: Just for the President's personal files. This isn't going to leak is it?\nJ: I said \"Deliver direct, do maximum to confine knowledge of it and it's\ncontents to yourself and the Prime Minister. 11 What the Prime Minister does\nwit it we have no control over.\nK: He is afraid of that Democratic part.\nJ: But Sato should like it.\nK: He thought it was a beauty if it doesn't leak. But even if it does, so what.\nWe'll know by tomorrow.\nJ: Yes - - I think he will have to resign. He built himself and on his relationship\nwith the President. With a public challenge of this kind he's going tofeel, given\nthe Japanese approach, that he has to resign. I'd say there's a 70% chance now.\nK: I know because when that cabuki player said if I was treated the way he was\ntreated by Sato I would have resigned. So that's their thinking.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Kirk Douglas\n6:51 P m., March 11, 1971\nD:\nThank you for sending me that report. I have been up on foreign\npolicy of the United States.\nK:\n(laughter)\nD:\nHenry, are you free for lunch in Washington on Friday?\nK:\nNo, I have a lunch already. Wait a minute, are you going to be in\ntown?\nD:\nI am coming in late Thursday about 11:00. I have one appointment\non Friday around 10:30 - 11:00 but after that I thought we might have\nlunch.\nK:\nWell, look I had a lunch with Kay Graham but why don't you join us.\nD:\nMy, God, ask her if I can join you and I'll join you.\nK:\nThen you two will be cooing all over. Save a 1/2 hour for me and\ncome in for lunch.\nD:\nWhat time?\nK:\nMy lunch with Kay Graham about 1:00. Come at 12:30.\nD:\nI will come at 12:30 to your office.\nK:\nI'll call her. She would rather see you than me but I wonder now\nif I can come.\nD:\nThat's a switch but I think we can arrange something.\nK:\nWhere are you staying?\nD:\nAt the Madison. I will call you and meet you at the office and we\ncan go over together.\nK:\nCome about 12:15 and then we will go over together.\nD:\nGreat, Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nP. Flanigan\nearly a.m.\n8/12/71\nF: The Amb. came in to see me last night and is now here. The State Dept is xx\nwishy-washy.\nK: You can't have that and convey our outrage and say youmean it. The President\ntook a personal hand and if they don't listen it will get worse.\nF: Did you see the telegram?\nK: Yes and completely opposite. The letter was tough. Do you want a copy?\nF: No, it's not important.\nK: I want to be sure you are not caught without knowing.\nF: I have read the cable. The State Dept. said we will keep you informed from here.\nK: Alex came in saying they should run it and if they had run it there would be an\nagreement now. They would have given them what they asked for. I said no change\nin present arrangements\nF: You should check with the President on how he wants to deal with the Japanese\nand the other three countries. I think they will give the ball game away. If the\nPresident's interest is the textile industry, they know State is what it is. We\nhave another problem. The President talked about space cooperation with Europe.\nWe expressed concern about giving away information for 10% of\n. He\nagreed. We are told now that Europe didn't really want to do it. But I want to\nknow what you think about it.\nK\" I will talk to David about it next week.\nF: Thank you. I enjoyed the evening and to bring that beautiful femal in to\nberate me on FCC was one of the big disappointments of my life.\nK: I enjoyed the dinner.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGen. Votgt/Kissinger\n9:15 a.m.\n3/12/71\nV: The President called a little while ago.\nK: I know.\nV: I want to be sure I followed through. I talked with Gen. Clay down there and\nthey are doing everything to get it off at the earliest opportunity. They have\nbad weather --- a low and it will be there for atleast two days. But they are\neager and dying to go themselves.\nK: We have had bad luck on that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n9:33 a.m.\n3/12/71\nR: Did you get your to bed early last night? Don't answer!I was calling Al to\npass on some thoughts about our report. One has to do with Greece. He wants\nto take out the political prisoners but I don't think we can excape from saying\nsomething. We have commented 50 times on it in NATO and all over the world.\nIn view of Lowenstein, if we don't recognize it as a problem, we will be\nlaughed at.\nK: But the President doesn't want to have a public issue.\nR: The best way is to take the heat off.\nK: Could Pederson send over some language?\nR: On Brazil, I don't feel SO strongly. We can scrap it. A soft reference\nwould be helpful. We are trying to be\nK: They are mentioning torture and that's too far.\nR: On the M.E. I think I have to do it. I am prepared to change words but\nI cannot in this summary on the M.E. say less then what the President did.\nOn the question of territory. The rest is\nK: I don't remember. The only concern was not to have the thing in an uproar\nagain but no need to say less than the President did.\nR: The whole * speech is reproduced so there will be no uproar. I will have\nDick talk to Al Haig.\nK: The intention is to have it as close to what you want.\nR: I can see the problem on Greece and Brazil.\nK: On the M.E. I think we should have it the way you want.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Wm. Sullivan\n3/12/71 11:00 a. m.\nS: I have a problem coming up and would like to get some guidance.\nThe House Foreign Affairs Committee, Zablocki subcommittee has meet-\nings on the POWs starting on March 23. I am hearing that some of the\nmembers have a tricky proposition which may be somewhat difficult for\nAdministration officials to handle. Let me explain it. They start from\nthe Statement that the President has left the impression from his last\npress conference that he will announce a troop withdrawal on April 15 or\nthereabouts which will set a ræate of withdrawal which will\nexcept an unspecified residual force used as a bargaining weapon against\nthem for the prisoners. He also says he will do this at about the current\nrate of withdrawal; they say there have are 60, 000 from January 1 to May\n1 so that's about 16, 000.\nK: That's nonsense.\nS: Well they go through their multiplication and figure that 16, 000\ninto 284, 000 works to 19 months and that is December 1, 1972. They say\nthe President is in a sense saying the U.S. will withdraw all forces by\nIf that's the essence why don't we instruct Bruce to say we are willing to\nmake a withdrawal on that schedule if they will release the prisoners.\nThey are saying this falls within the time. The question is why don't we\nput forward in Paris a proposal that we will withdraw by December 1, 1972\nor some specific date if they will release the prisoners. This is the\nessence of what we are saying -- why don't we say it formally?\nK: We don't want to lock ourselves into a deadline for obvious reasons.\nThis proposition that we'll have troops there as long as the President wants\nis bound to be reversed.\nS: Yes, but this is the most tricky reversal. We can say they won't\naccept that, but they can say we won't know till we ask. This has started\nto brew in the press. Elizabeth Drew put this to the Secretary in this TV\nprogram.\nK: What happened to his press conference yesterday by the way?\nS: I don't know; it was cancelled. I don't know if it will be rescheduled.\nWhat do you think?\nK: Let me give a little thought to that. I can tell you the policy, but\nnot the answer to give. Let's both give it a little thought.\nS: It might come up in our peoples' press briefings in the next few days.\nK: Yes, let me think of the best formulation. We certainly don't want\nthat now.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Wm. Sullivan\n3/12/71 11:00 a.m. page 2\nS: They are going to have Administration witnesses come last so they'll\nhave this laid out in advance and it will have to be waded into.\nK: Let me give it some thought.\nS: Any spurts of inspiration will be appreciated, and we may have to do\nsome footwork with our Vietnamese friends too.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nProf. Galbraith\n3/12/71 11:40 a. m.\nK: I talked to our mutual friend Gloria the other day and she tells me\nyou will be back here trying to unseat our Administration. She told me you\nwould be in town the evening of the 23rd. I wonder if you would be free for\nbreakfast on the 24th?\nG: I'd love to, sure. If you don't think a meeting between us followed\nby my meeting with the Democratic Advisory Committee would hurt both\nof our reputations.\nK: We were friends before I was active in politics.\nG: I always have heard you were non-political and not active in politics.\nBut now I'm just wondering if I'll have to give equal time to Bill Rogers.\nK: Let's say tentatively in my office. At 8:30. Where are you staying\nin case there's some change?\nG: At the Hay Adams. And if anything comes up please do let me know.\nK: Good, delighted to see you.\nG: What was worked out with Harvard?\nK: I had to resign but the department has an rmal agreement not to\nfill my spot for two years.\nG: That's wonderful. I'm pleased by that. I'm just answering a letter\nin the New York Times. You'll be pleased to know Walt Rostow is now de-\nfending the bombing of World War II.\nYou get out of a country\nI hear mentioned and you'll be unbeatable.\nK: The economy is still a problem. But to have another President\nbeaten on Vietnam is not good for the country. This is what the democratic\nprocess is for but to have another morality play defelop in 1972 would be\nbad for the country.\nG: Looking forward to seeing you Henry.\nK: Yes, the 24th at 8:30.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Cromer\n3/12/71 3:05 p.m.\nC: I have some thoughts about the Middle East which I have been asked to\npass on to you. Jarring is coming down today?\nK: I think so, yes.\nC: I would like to send out a note to you. If you would like to talk about\nit I'd be glad to, if not I won't waste your time.\nK: You never waste my time.\nC: I believe Jarring is dining with Joe Sisco tonight, is that correct?\nK: Right.\nC: And I have authority to pass these thoughts for what they are worth\nto State. I think it best if you see them first and if you think they are worth\npassing on, give me a call or have one of your people call and I'll pass it to\nState.\nK: I°11 be at a meeting until 5:00, so I'll be calling you between 5:00 and\n6:00.\nC: That's absolutely perfect.\nK: Good.\nC: Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nKay Graham/Kissinger\nlate afternoon\n3/12/71'\nG: I looked at this and it's amusing. I thought youmight want to know who was\ncoming. Tish and Stu Alsop. Coles, Eagletons, Valentis, Humphries, Rabins and\nButler of HEW.\nK: He is trying to raid my staff. He gets the best people.\nG: What do you think you can do?\nK: I will let you know tomorrow.\nG: I will hold off because I need extra dames. I think of asking Mary (McGrory).\nK: I like here. Let me see if I can produce someone.\nG: Sure. If not, I will round up somone. Mathias, Rabin and Butler are coming\nalone.\nK: You need several then.\nG: If you have someone you want to bring, fine. Mary won't bother you? What\nabout Sally Quinn? Who's pretty and young, who's in town? You think of someone\nif you want. Come if you can or after dinner and bring someone if you can. Loved\nlunch.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRobt Semple/Kissinger\n4:57 p.m.\n3/12/71\nS: You caught me with a mouthful of coffee. I am calling you because even though\nwe have an agreement with the Washington Star that we can run their materiel as\nwe do ours, Mary McGrory is syndicated. So I was going to re-write.\nK: I will read it again to see if there's anything I violently object to.\nS: How come you are not in Key Biscayne?\nK: I am slipping. I want to go the Gridiron dinner, being a masochist. Let me\nsee-- I always meet with students and peacegroupts and I never talk about it. I\ndon't do it to give the Administration publicity but so concerned people feel they\nare being listened to. This was part of it. It was arranged by Brian McDonnell\nwho I partly persuaded to stop fasting. He wanted to bring these people in. We\ndiscussed nothing about the Berrigan case. It was entirely about the role for\nsociety and the war. That was all.\nS: Right. Did you make any progress? I asked Davidson the same question. He said\nyou never know about things like that.\nK: I wasn't trying to convince them. This is not for publication. This is a deep\nproblem and our big task has heen to be to get through the war in a way that con-\ncerned people feel there was someone they could talk to. I don'ttry to change\ntheir minds. I try to show them that seriously concerned poeple and people who\nshare their objectives have come to different conclusions.\nS: Good. That's the point.\nK: I don't want to give a different perspective to the plot as Mayy says.\nS: I don't want to repeat Mary's errors. The only one you say -- it's not a long\nstory. It doesn't say a hell of a lot. Have you seen it?\nK: I was just handed a copy.\nS: I will give you a chance to read it. I found a conscience quote.\nK: This guy said it but I didn't. I think it would sound self-serving -- there's\nnothing unusual. I do it about once a week.\nS: That's the point I was going to make.\nK: I don't talk about it.\nS: I know it. That's the point I will make,\nK: That I would appreciate if you do write about it at all.\nS: On the conscience business, forget about it?\nK: Yeah.\nS: One other question. Have you given any thought to seeing the others?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSemple/Kissinger\n4:57 p.m.\n3/12/71\n-2-\nK: I have to discussit with the lawyers. I don't want to interfere with the case.\nI don't know any more about the case then I read in the newspapers.\nS: Thank you and enjoy yourself tomorrow. Hope you don't get too big a rousing (?)\nWhat will be fun is the other demonstration outside by the women.\nKI feel I have established my feelings about warn women.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDan Rather/Kissinger\n5:14 p.m.\n3/12/71\nR: I am sorry to bother you on such a trivial matter butit's nailing down the\nMcGrory article and whether it happened and the account is correct.\nK: The event happened but had nothing to do with the xa plot. It waslike any\nI have which I have every week with members of the peace movement to hear their\nside and talk with them. It was not intended for publicity and I don't want to dis-\ncuss it. It had nothing to do with the plot and I don't want to try to change\ntheir positions. It was an attempt to bring about the motivations of everyone.\nR: Brought about by Brian McDonnell?\nK: I have known him since his fast. I have seen him for a year without publicity.\nThis was a misunderstanding of groundrules by the participants.\nR: The story didn't get out at your initiative?\nK: Absolutely not! This was not a criticism of others but a misunderstanding of\nthe ground rules.\nR: We are not making a big thing of it. I just wanted to be sure it happened.\nK: I didn't say I was the conscience of the Administration.\nR: I wanted to ask you about that.\nK: That may have been his characterization. My meglomania takes extreme forms\nbut not quite that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nBetty Medsger (Washington Post)\n3/12/71 5:15 p.m.\nM: Thank you for returning my call. It's in regard to the meeting\nyou had. Was the alledged conspiracy discussed at all?\nK: No.\nM: Okay. What was your opinion of it?\nK: I don't want to talk about the meeting. I see many people from\npeace movements and don't do it for publicity.\nM: Was there an agreement that it wouldn't be discussed?\nK: I was under the impression that it wouldn't be, but these are\nserious people and that was a sincere misunderstanding.\nM: Would you like to discuss this particular movement?\nK: If I am ever going to have another of these meetings I would like\nto do it with the assurance that these people aren't going to be used by me.\nM: And the reverse I am sure.\nK: They obviously understood the ground rules differently than I.\nThe only thing about that story that is wrong is that I do not consider\nmyself as the conscience of this Administration. That was his interpretation.\nM: And you think it important to have meetings with members of\nthe opposition?\nK: I think it very important and important that the people who were\ninvolved don't think this is a political maneuver. Try to transcent some\nof the bitterness. I wish I could be more helpful, but I think you will under-\nstand it would be destructive to talk about it.\nM: Was it a pleasant session?\nK: I think it was a very pleasant session, yes. If you'll excuse me,\nI've got another call I've been waiting to get all day.\nM: Yes, thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nCahill (NY Daily News)\n5:17 p.m.\n3/12/71\nC: We wanted to talk to you about the McGrory story in the Star and specifically\nthe point you made that you apologized for the sex-starved quote. Said it was\na misquòte and explained it to Cardinal Cooke.\nK: Let me make clear that the puppose of the meeting had nothing to do with the\nplot. It was a chance for a peace group to express themselves to a senior\nofficial and on a private basis and the story didn't get out of here. That\nremark that was subscribed to me was out of context and it's true I called Cardinal\nCooke and Deardon and apologized when it appeared 6 weeks ago. Before there WZS\nany reaction. As for the last, I don't want to comment on that story because it\nwas intended to be as a means of keeping contact with people who are disturbed and\nit was not meant for publicity on our side.\nC: Was it a success from your point of view?\nK: I don't know. We had a serious and respectful discussion which is all one\ncould expect.\nC: I talked with Davidon and he said there was a chance that you might resign your\nposition.\nK: What makes these meetings impossible is people going around quoting. They\nasked about mass exterminations. I support the President 100% and if they say\nI am not that's not true. If there are circumstances where someone cannot work\nfor his government tha'ts true (?) but that's not true here.\nC: Did the question of nuclear weapons enter the discussion?\nK: Let the others talk as much as they want to on the content. I didn't say\nthis as a political thing. I would not have XM used a conversation with such\na group to convey policy of the Administration. I wanted to see if it was\npossible to have human rapport with a group that is violently opposed and not.\nvehicle for policy views.\nC: I appreciate your call.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nLee Byrd (AP)\n3/12/71 5:25 p.m.\nB: I am calling with regard to your meeting with the Berrigan\nco-defendants.\nK: No, there were no co-defendants.\nB: They were if you read the account and find it accurate.\nK: None of the participants were co-defendants.\nB: They were termed that way.\nK: No, co-conspirators, not co-defendants. There's a big difference.\nNone of these people were indicted. The story was based on a misunder-\nstanding of the ground rules by the participants. It was supposed to be a\nprivate meeting, like many similar meetings I have had with concerned\ngroups. I don't feel that I should describe it. The intention was not to\ngive them any\nTo convince them of our sincerity\nthis is\nnot for quotation incidentally.\nB: All right.\nK: Our intention was just to give them the sense that concerned\npeople were trying to manage affairs of the country. The story is\nessentially correct; one part is not: where I saysI imply that I am the\nconscience of this Administration.\nB: That was their assertion, was it not?\nK: That's right.\nB: Do you mind if I quote you as saying its is essentially correct\nwith the exception of that one thing?\nK: No, I prefer not to be quoted.\nB: ???????\nK: You can certainly quote me as saying I have many meetings of this\nkind and I feel that in order for them to be meaningful I feel it best that I\nnot comment on them.\nB: All right. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Cromer\n3/12/71 5:40 p.m.\nK: I read your letter and papers and think you might pass them on\nto Sisco, at least the papers, not the letter. To give you a sense of the\nPresident's thinking -- this is between you and me and the Prime Minister\nof course -- he would like to slow down some who are trying for the Nobel\nPrize too eagerly. If it is done too rapidly the danger is it might produce\na blow-up. Therefore, we particularly appreciate your handling it in\nthis manner. If you could convey it to them that you are relaxed about it.\nI think it's a very creative one and we would support it here. We are\ntrying to prevent a big diplomatic offensive until we know what the traffic\nwill bear.\nC: Very wise of you. It seems to me that if this is put to the Israelis\nwithout a pistol at their heads they might ehange choose them on their own.\nK: I think you are right.\nC: Thank you Henry very much indeed and I'll use my discretion.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRon Ziegler\n3/12/71 5:50 p.m.\nK: You've probably seen the ticker stories. If not, you will soon.\nOn the Saturday meeting?\nZ: Oh yes, I've seen not only the ticker but the story in the Star.\nWhy did you do that Henry?\nK: If you knew how that came to pass you wouldn't believe it. I thought\nI was seeing a gro up of seven Swarthmore students. This guy brought these\nguys instead. This is structly for you we might as well make a plus of\nit. I decided, and Haig agreed, that I might as well talk to them. These\npeople are not indicted; they are just part of the group. The position I've\ntaken is that I see a lot of people opposed to the Administration to listen to\nthem and give them the sense that we are open to their converns, even if\nwe can't share their conclusions. I won't say what happened at the meeting--\nit was not a political gesture.\nZ: Okay.\nK: Don't you think that was the most dignified way to handle it?\nZ: Yes. How is the war going?\nK: We've found a five-sided structure.\nZ: I'll be damned; we've found COSVN.\nK: Do you think this is damaging?\nZ: No. If we had sat down and planned it we wouldn't have done it,\nbut this has happened and it's okay. So what? It gives us a little color.\nWe're all to brittle; we should loosen up a little.\nK: I'd like to but you people won't let me.\nZ: You're loose enough Henry. I'm talking about the rest of us.\nWho did you talk to?\nK: Rather called, and someone from AP anmd someone else\nZ: Okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Richard Kleindienst\n7:22 p. m., March 12, 1971\nHAK:\nListen, I tell you I am mortified by this event.\nK:\nDon't worry about that, Henry. We just want a factual, objective\naccount of what has occurred with respect to the case. It is for\nmy eyes only. If any statement is going to be made, we will be\ntalking to you about it. Any comment made, you have to make.\nHAK:\nWhat do you want?\nK:\nWhere this was and how it came about, what was said. No comment\non it, just the actual facts.\nHAK:\nHow about tomorrow?\nK:\nUnderstand you have a dinner thing tonight.\nHAK:\nI can tell you what I have now about the substance. If that's\nenough, I can send it over now.\nK:\nAre you going to be at the White House tomorrow?\nHAK:\nYes, but let me just read one paragraph I have (read from the\nminutes of the meeting -- )\nK:\nSend that over tonight. I gave one of your secretaries the\ninstructions of how to get here. If I need anything more, I will\ncall you tomorrow.\nHAK:\nWhat could be the legal implications?\nK:\nOn the basis of that, probably nothing. Get that over tonight, if\nI want to talk to you, I'll call tomorrow.\nHAK:\nRight.\nK:\nWe want to know what the framework of the situation was. Hereafter,\nI wouldn't if I would be very careful\nHAK:\nI didn't know they were coming in, they were already sitting in the\nSituation Room when I learned they were here. I thought it would\ndo more damage to throw them out and have them say I refused to\nmeet with them then to listen to the substance of what they had to say.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Richard Kleindienst\n7:22 p. m., March 12, 1971\nK:\nDid the two people involved say anything about the Berrigan\ncase?\nHAK:\nAt the end, one of them said the next time they wanted to bring\nin a defendant the next time they came back.\nK:\nWell, send over what you have. Nothing to get upset about and\nI don't want you to get upset. We are the lawyers in the case\nand want to look at what the implications are.\nHAK:\nI will send it over within the hour.\nK:\nI gave your secretary instructions on how to get here.\nHAK:\nIt will not be released.\nK:\nNot to be released, it is just for our people and the lawyers.\nIf there is anything to be released, it will **** be only after\nconsolation with you.\nHAK:\nRight.\nK:\nOkay.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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